Weiland ordered back into lockdown rehab (was: Say it isn't so)

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fuck the cd, everyone quit being selfish this has to do with a mans life, id much rather scott get ok then have a fuckin cd. i hope some of u seriously dont consider yourself fans," i hope this doesnt delay the cd", fuck the cd, i just hope scott finally gets ok, some of u act like as long as u get the cd u dont care if he fuckin dies, thats bullshit!

scott does seem to be getting worse and worse, but i just hope he can get it together and be ok as a person, music isnt that important, not as important as a man's life.

cmon people show some support here!

[echrisl]

fuck the cd, everyone quit being selfish this has to do with a mans life, id much rather scott get ok then have a fuckin cd. i hope some of u seriously dont consider yourself fans," i hope this doesnt delay the cd", fuck the cd, i just hope scott finally gets ok, some of u act like as long as u get the cd u dont care if he fuckin dies, thats bullshit!

scott does seem to be getting worse and worse, but i just hope he can get it together and be ok as a person, music isnt that important, not as important as a man's life.

cmon people show some support here!

I don't think anyone meant that they cared more about a cd than they did about a man's life, I know I didn't with my comment about hoping that the cd wasn't delayed.  I guess it's just the first thing that came to my mind when I read this, since I already knew that Scott has problems, but you're right D, it is better that he get his life sorted out, even if it takes longer than expected.  

[jet]

You know, when I first heard Scott, this junkie, is going to join VR I was really mad. Duff & Slash kept saying "he's the best, he's the one" and I kept annoying. Then Duff told a tearful story like Scott came to him and asked to help him to get clean. Duff prevented Scott that if he really want this he should be very serious and there's no place for joking. It seemed to be great until Scott was arrested for driving drunk. Awesome. Then again . Drugs, arrests,jail.
I would love to support him if he could be a real man, not a baby, and understand he's poisoning his own life, band's bussiness and our nerves. Of course, I'm sure we won't hear their CD in May.

 If you can't get your shit together then sit at home and for God's sake don't let your mates down!!!  

[misterID]

Damn people, he's just been put on lock down, it doesn't mean the CD the tour or the band is over. It's just a little delay if anything. Stop worrying.

Jett - Slash and Duff were serious junkies at one time themselves. Heroin isn't something you can just say: "Hey I think I'll get clean today" It becomes a physical and mental addiction that takes a lot of time to get over. I think there needs to be a little bit more understanding from the VR fans than what I'm seeing. There's no sense in being pissed because his struggles are getting on your nerves. This is a band, and I'm sure they'll deal with it like a band.

And I remember a certain red headed lead singer who had to deal with not just one, but four junkies in his band. He never ditched them (except for one). I think Slash and company may be a lot more understanding than you think.

[D]

has anyone ever seen the movie "clerks"?  if u have u know the scene where dante and randall are talking about where the death star was being rebuilt when it got destroyed the second time so there had to be like independent contractors still on it and they didnt have any personal politics etc they were just doing their job and it wasnt fair they got killed etc

then the contractor thats in the convenience store tells them a story where he got a contract to do a known mobsters house but he turned it down cause he knew the risk etc so a private contractor does use personal politics when choosing jobs etc so they deserve no sympathy

same here

slash,duff,matt knew what they were getting themselves into with scott, they knew he had problems they knew he was a drug addict so it would be very hypocritical for them to not stand by him now, they should have taken his problems into consideration b4 giving him the job, they went for the homerun and right now its a full count bases loaded bottom of the ninth game on the line, scott will either get that winning run home or strike out, its not lookin good right now

i have waited on axl for a very long time, i can wait on velvet revolver, if the album doesnt come out till december thats fine with me, as long as i hear it and its good i dont really care, id rather scott be 100 percent straightened out then they release the cd, then have vr release the cd, scott relapse get put in jail or rehab in the middle of the the records momentum and tour like he did with STP on one of their albums.

[D]

And I remember a certain red headed lead singer who had to deal with not just one, but four junkies in his band. He never ditched them (except for one). I think Slash and company may be a lot more understanding than you think.

i wonder if slash and duff think to themselves now, "if this is what axl put up with by us,no wonder he got so pissed at us etc etc, i wonder now if they can see axl's point of view now that they are havin to deal with it?

its very hard to deal with a junkie if u dont do it so maybe slash and duff can respect axl a little more now for what he had to put up with

[Layne420]

And I remember a certain red headed lead singer who had to deal with not just one, but four junkies in his band. He never ditched them (except for one). I think Slash and company may be a lot more understanding than you think.

i wonder if slash and duff think to themselves now, "if this is what axl put up with by us,no wonder he got so pissed at us etc etc, i wonder now if they can see axl's point of view now that they are havin to deal with it?

its very hard to deal with a junkie if u dont do it so maybe slash and duff can respect axl a little more now for what he had to put up with

Yeah I wonder too... can't really say how it feels to be a junkie but some people can get over the addict and others sadly don't. I think it would be better put off the record although scott has been dealing with it for long time so going to be a hard to make that decision...

[Dizzy]

i wonder if slash and duff think to themselves now, "if this is what axl put up with by us,no wonder he got so pissed at us etc etc, i wonder now if they can see axl's point of view now that they are havin to deal with it?

My guess would be not really, because they had to put up with plenty of his shit as well (to the very end, even after they sobered up), even though Axl wasn't a junkie.

[Izzy]

I will save my fury untill i have heard the CD, maybe it will be so awesome that Scotts flaws can be tolerated..

However if it is crap then, well.......it will be pretty obvious that he was the wrong choice....

[D]

whose to say axl's madness didnt have alot to do with the bands drug habits?

i am the coach and point guard on my adult league basketball team and i know i get plenty fuckin pissed off if one of my players show up high or drunk

20,000 people axl ready to take the stage and he see's slash and co all fucked up, u know when u are out there doing something important u dont wanna have to worry about if your band is gonna be to fucked up to play,

also gnr's problem seems to stem from lack of communication

has anyone ever dated or been friends with a drug addict or alcoholic?

conversations are impossible that leads to a breach which leads to conflict

[misterID]

i wonder if slash and duff think to themselves now, "if this is what axl put up with by us,no wonder he got so pissed at us etc etc, i wonder now if they can see axl's point of view now that they are havin to deal with it?

My guess would be not really, because they had to put up with plenty of his shit as well (to the very end, even after they sobered up), even though Axl wasn't a junkie.

But no one really knows the shit he had to put up with, with not just one junkie in the band, but three. I always wondered how people could use Axl as the scape goat in the old line up falling apart, when there were 4 junkies (even after Steven was fired, according to Matt himself with his heavy coke habbit). As far as putting up with Axl's shit, it had to be a lot harder dealing with four junkies, than dealing with Axl's shit. I've delt with addicts before, just a couple and not together. That must have been a nightmare.

[jet]

Actually all of them were junkies, more or less.
Scott is not a 25 years old guy.
Hope for better. If VR are still together then we should have this hope.

[Dizzy]

But no one really knows the shit he had to put up with, with not just one junkie in the band, but three.

So if no one really knows, that makes this statement...

As far as putting up with Axl's shit, it had to be a lot harder dealing with four junkies, than dealing with Axl's shit.

...rather moot, eh?  

And even if that's your speculation, I wouldn't underestimate how hard Axl is to cope with.

[Slashisthebest]

While he is in rehab, will they let him out to do the promo dates if they end up confirming them?  I he does stay clean he will be out in time to tour this summer though.  That would be sweet.

[misterID]

But no one really knows the shit he had to put up with, with not just one junkie in the band, but three.

So if no one really knows, that makes this statement...

As far as putting up with Axl's shit, it had to be a lot harder dealing with four junkies, than dealing with Axl's shit.

...rather moot, eh?  

And even if that's your speculation, I wouldn't underestimate how hard Axl is to cope with.

I also said that I've delt with junkies before and its a nightmare, but not three or four at a time. People have been specualating how hard it was to put up with Axl, I was just putting that out there seeing how frustrated the fans are with Scott. Imagine how hard it is dealing with junkies in a band.

Why is it so easy to say Axl was the problem, when he was dealing with people who were fucked up with their own addictions? Your right when we don't know what happend back then, but the same should be said when people start saying Axl was the problem, and all the shit he put them through. It could be the other way around, so I don't know how anyone could place blame on a single person

[Slashisthebest]

As far as putting up with Axl's shit, it had to be a lot harder dealing with four junkies, than dealing with Axl's shit.

Dudes, the only junkie left in that band is Scott and hes atleast admitting that he has a problem and is trying to get over it.  Slash on the other hand is done with drugs, but still drinks according to Guitar World.  Duff, Matt, and Dave have all quit.  My friend is Duff's nephew.  I met him, he is done with drugs,  he only drinks no alcoholic beer, because he almost died in the 90's of Alcohol poisoning.  So I dont know what you guys mean by four junkies.

Later,
Slashisthebest
 

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u misunderstood dude, back in the early 90's in gnr axl had to put up with 4 junkies

everyone blames axl but its pulling teeth to get junkies to do anything so i say axl had a hard time communicating and working with people who were fucked up all the time

i dated a drug addict chick one time and we dated for 3 months and i bet we had 3 conversations in 3 months which led to our breakup cause we couldnt communicate

if u cant communicate in any relationship be it a band,marriage,etc etc its not gonna last! drugs stand in the way of communication!

[Slashisthebest]

Sorry dude my bad

Slashisthebest

[Dizzy]

Why is it so easy to say Axl was the problem, when he was dealing with people who were fucked up with their own addictions? You're right when we don't know what happend back then, but the same should be said when people start saying Axl was the problem, and all the shit he put them through.

But you must remember, Slash and Duff were both sober by the mid 90s, which is when the band fell apart at the seams.  Granted, their drug abuse may have taken a toll on Axl back in the early 90s, but it can't have factored in much when it was no longer occurring.

Ah, what difference does it make, as you say, it's all in the past now.  Or is that youngunner who said that?  

[misterID]

Why is it so easy to say Axl was the problem, when he was dealing with people who were fucked up with their own addictions? You're right when we don't know what happend back then, but the same should be said when people start saying Axl was the problem, and all the shit he put them through.

But you must remember, Slash and Duff were both sober by the mid 90s, which is when the band fell apart at the seams.  Granted, their drug abuse may have taken a toll on Axl back in the early 90s, but it can't have factored in much when it was no longer occurring.

Ah, what difference does it make, as you say, it's all in the past now.  Or is that youngunner who said that?  

But by the time they did sober up Axl and Slash weren't speaking to each other. The damage was done in that reguard. Duff hung around for another year then he left. My main point was trying to show how hard it must have been to be in GNR back then, and that no one can single out one person who's at fault for the band falling apart.

But I agree, it's all in the past now. And I think I was the first one to say that, and that little shit stole it from me!

*I was just joking YG*