Eddie Trunk On Reunion Rumors. Hear Him Out.

[D-GenerationX]

This wasn?t the case with CD. Before it was released we had something tangible. There was some evidence. We could at least believe there was something in the making.

Its definitely weird.  I've brought it up, but got shouted down.

Using the band's past history seems to only apply on a case by case basis.  What's important is that everything is still rosy, so fear not.

[D-GenerationX]

Before it was released we had something tangible. There was some evidence. We could at least believe there was something in the making.

Who's "we"? 

Anyone still giving enough of a shit to follow this misadventure from 01.01.01 onwards.

So...just about everyone here.  And countless other folks that don't post at this particular spot.

[D-GenerationX]

I'm sorry if I don't buy this lame retort about emotions. Nobody believes that anybody here is a robot without emotions.

No, but you get your back up and take everything as a grave insult.  It suggests an emotional hypersensitive mindset.

[jarmo]

Anyone still giving enough of a shit to follow this misadventure from 01.01.01 onwards.

So...just about everyone here.  And countless other folks that don't post at this particular spot.

Why do you need to always find a way to be negative? Are you having a bad day? Bad year maybe?


Also, I'm here but she doesn't speak on my behalf.

No, but you get your back up and take everything as a grave insult.  It suggests an emotional hypersensitive mindset.

I have a low tolerance for stupidity and bullshit. Some of your posts are like an insult of other people's intelligence.
I'm not perfect.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

I can't help or control the way you react.  If you choose to see things as negative or an insult, that's on you.

I'd also counter that since its only the same handful of folks that takes things that way, its less of a universal opinion and more a tailored reaction.

[jarmo]

I can't help or control the way you react.  If you choose to see things as negative or an insult, that's on you.

this misadventure from 01.01.01 onwards.

misadventure: an unfortunate incident; a mishap.

How is this positive?
You mean it's unfortunate in a good way?

Must be my English once again.

Maybe if you want to avoid confusion and avoid being seen as negative, you could've said unlucky adventure. 




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

No, I'm all set.

[pilferk]

Its definitely weird.  I've brought it up, but got shouted down.

Using the band's past history seems to only apply on a case by case basis.  What's important is that everything is still rosy, so fear not.

For the live show thing: We have heard bits and bites in the intro (according to Axl and some band members) and maybe some solos.  Yes, they haven't performed the stuff, in full, live.  BUT, they also had issues with leaks and bootlegs with CD...and one of the primary criticisms from folks was they had "heard it all, already" when it was released.  So I think there's an easy explanation, there. 

For the leaks...I have a hard time taking them to task for improved "security" to prevent tracks getting out before they want them out there.

[pilferk]

Before it was released we had something tangible. There was some evidence. We could at least believe there was something in the making.

Who's "we"? 

Anyone still giving enough of a shit to follow this misadventure from 01.01.01 onwards.

So...just about everyone here.  And countless other folks that don't post at this particular spot.

I think the point is "we" think there is some evidence, in the way of comments from those in the band, and those outside it, who claim to have heard the tracks.

YOU (meaning Princess Leia, and those who might be on the same boat) want "tangible" evidence: IE to hear the actual notes played with your own ears.

I think that's a very narrow definition of something's existence.

I've never held a million dollars.....

[jarmo]

I've never held a million dollars.....

It's a myth I tell you!

Like that line in that song about finding a million Dollars that someone forgot....



/jarmo

[Princess Leia]

Before it was released we had something tangible. There was some evidence. We could at least believe there was something in the making.

Who's "we"? 

Anyone still giving enough of a shit to follow this misadventure from 01.01.01 onwards.

So...just about everyone here.  And countless other folks that don't post at this particular spot.

I think the point is "we" think there is some evidence, in the way of comments from those in the band, and those outside it, who claim to have heard the tracks.

YOU (meaning Princess Leia, and those who might be on the same boat) want "tangible" evidence: IE to hear the actual notes played with your own ears.

I think that's a very narrow definition of something's existence.

I've never held a million dollars.....

By "we" I meant fans in general. Was that hard to figure it out?

And the CD leaks is a really lame ass excuse. When OMG came out we didn?t have any leaks. When the band perfomed in RIR and Vegas 2001 there were no leaks either.

[jarmo]

So playing songs live before you know when they'll be released makes sense to you?

That's what the band did last time around. Only to have certain fans complain about the "old songs they heard on bootlegs for years" when they were released.
I guess that's the explanation regarding live shows that I can think of.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

For the live show thing: We have heard bits and bites in the intro (according to Axl and some band members) and maybe some solos.  Yes, they haven't performed the stuff, in full, live.  BUT, they also had issues with leaks and bootlegs with CD...and one of the primary criticisms from folks was they had "heard it all, already" when it was released.  So I think there's an easy explanation, there. 

I think it was the outright leaks that played more of a role there, don't you think?

You can't really tell from a live version what the actual album version might sound like.  'Chinese Democracy' and 'The Blues' (as it was known at the time) from RIR III are still my favorite versions of the songs.  

But when we finally got the album, 7 years later, those versions were quite different.

The leaks of 'I.R.S.', 'Better', 'There Was A Time', 'If The World', 'Prostitute'...yeah, they were pretty much what we got on the album.  Only very minor tweaks.

[D-GenerationX]

I think the point is "we" think there is some evidence, in the way of comments from those in the band, and those outside it, who claim to have heard the tracks.

YOU (meaning Princess Leia, and those who might be on the same boat) want "tangible" evidence: IE to hear the actual notes played with your own ears.

I think that's a very narrow definition of something's existence.

I've never held a million dollars.....

Yeah, but I just roll my eyes at those sorts of questions.

Who is "we"?...Who are "the fans"?...Who is "everybody"?

How many times do you see that sort of thing in response to a post?  And it is ever NOT about trying to change the subject?

[D-GenerationX]

I've never held a million dollars.....

It's a myth I tell you!

Like that line in that song about finding a million Dollars that someone forgot....

Well, time went by and it most certainly all went up in smoke.  A few times over now.

[D-GenerationX]

By "we" I meant fans in general. Was that hard to figure it out?

Of course not.

But its easier to feign confusion and start talking about general terminology than it is to tackle the points you raised within the post that contained the term.

This is not new.

[pilferk]

For the live show thing: We have heard bits and bites in the intro (according to Axl and some band members) and maybe some solos.  Yes, they haven't performed the stuff, in full, live.  BUT, they also had issues with leaks and bootlegs with CD...and one of the primary criticisms from folks was they had "heard it all, already" when it was released.  So I think there's an easy explanation, there. 

I think it was the outright leaks that played more of a role there, don't you think?

You can't really tell from a live version what the actual album version might sound like.  'Chinese Democracy' and 'The Blues' (as it was known at the time) from RIR III are still my favorite versions of the songs.  

But when we finally got the album, 7 years later, those versions were quite different.

The leaks of 'I.R.S.', 'Better', 'There Was A Time', 'If The World', 'Prostitute'...yeah, they were pretty much what we got on the album.  Only very minor tweaks.

I think the leaks were the major part of it. But I think the fact a LOT of the material was played live contributed, too....especially considering how far out in front of the actual release date it was played.  I mean.....we're talking half a decade prior, in some cases.

But I think if that's the criticism (and might have been a business point the label brought up in regards to the potential for CD2, maybe)....then you handle both parts.  Esp when you've already got a ton of material on your set list.

[EmilyGNR]

I think the point is "we" think there is some evidence, in the way of comments from those in the band, and those outside it, who claim to have heard the tracks.

YOU (meaning Princess Leia, and those who might be on the same boat) want "tangible" evidence: IE to hear the actual notes played with your own ears.

I think that's a very narrow definition of something's existence.

I've never held a million dollars.....

Yeah, but I just roll my eyes at those sorts of questions.

Who is "we"?...Who are "the fans"?...Who is "everybody"?

How many times do you see that sort of thing in response to a post?  And it is ever NOT about trying to change the subject?

Nope, it is an attempt to decipher just who you are pretending to be the spokesman and representative of this time.

When you say "us" and "we" you are attempting to speak for others, or you are insinuating you somehow magically know what others think.

[D-GenerationX]

So playing songs live before you know when they'll be released makes sense to you?

I certainly did not object to it at the time.  Did anyone?

It also spoke to the fact that they were excited about what they had worked out.  Let's cut the crap here.  

Do you think those guys got more enjoyment about playing the new songs they actually helped create...or running through 'Out Ta Get Me' for the umpteenth time?

[D-GenerationX]

When you say "us" and "we" you are attempting to speak for others, or you are insinuating you somehow magically know what others think.

Its a general term that is easier to talk about than the rest of the point being made.

We need to get to the bottom of it!