The Amazing Spider-Man

[pilferk]

Sam wanted to do another one. and Tobey too.
in fact they had given their word for two others movies.

Sony rebooted it for the money of course, with the story they wanted, cheaper actors (in terms of $), and cheaper director.

Sam pulled out because he couldn't make the date....because he wanted to do something else, more (though he "pleaded" artistic integrity). He left.  He was not fired.  He was not pushed out.  He chose to leave.  To me, that's not wanting to do another....regardless of the lip service he's given.

Tobey wouldn't do one without Sam.

Franco wouldn't do one without Sam AND Tobey (though you'll get to see Franco working with Sam, again, on Sam's Oz project..coincidentally with Disney).

So, I'm not sure what "word" they gave, but apparently they broke it.  They certainly didn't have contracts to force them to do them...because if they did, Sony would have held them to them.  I know they were in intense NEGOTIATIONS for film 4 and 5.....and were reportedly close to signing contracts.  But they didn't.

Sony ponied up the budget Sam wanted (and actually proposed an increase to get the movie in 3D) and was willing to pay Sam and Tobey their asking price.  Everyone agrees on that.  But Sony had a hard date they wanted  They miss the date...they lose billions in revenue (while still incurring significant expense on their balance sheets). It's a business.  That's reality.  They also had a hard date they had to hit for production, or the rights would revert back to Marvel (aka Disney).  That, too, is reality.

I get that Sam is the uber-guru to many.  I love him, too (though I like the Evil Dead movies more than the last couple Spiderman movies).  But the fact is:  Sam left.  Sony could move on, or lose the franchise.

[Bodhi]

They're going to make a trilogy out of this as well.. Good God... The horror.. When will these movies cease? 

When they stop making gobs of money.

exactly!  What exactly  are you complaining about?   Super hero movies for the most part are the only good movies Hollywood has been putting out over the past few years.  The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Captain America, The Avengers, all really good movies.  Why on earth would we want this to stop?  If you hate them so much nobody is making you go to the theater to watch them. 

Spiderman made over 140 million dollars in the U.S alone last week, and I can't even predict the amount of damage "The Dark Knight Rises" is going to do next week.

[Mysteron]

I am happy with the new reboot, I saw the movie yeaterday and really enjoyed it.

It's a different take on Spiderman. The superhero himself is a little more cocky this time around, yet at the same time, more vulnerable. The story was simpler and slightly cheesier, which is also fine. And there was a little more humour too, which I enjoyed.

For me, I did not feel for the characters as much as I would have liked, but this is not a huge criticism at all, and I look forward to the enxt one when it comes out.

[Genesis]

They're going to make a trilogy out of this as well.. Good God... The horror.. When will these movies cease? 

When they stop making gobs of money.

exactly!  What exactly  are you complaining about?   Super hero movies for the most part are the only good movies Hollywood has been putting out over the past few years.  The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Captain America, The Avengers, all really good movies.  Why on earth would we want this to stop?  If you hate them so much nobody is making you go to the theater to watch them. 

Spiderman made over 140 million dollars in the U.S alone last week, and I can't even predict the amount of damage "The Dark Knight Rises" is going to do next week.

Oooh. I know that "nobody is making me go to the theater to watch them", don't get your knickers in a twist. I liked Avengers and Iron Man and the Dark Knight series (which are good because Nolan is special), I was just criticizing Hollywood's recent habit of making movies out of any comic book they can find, milking movies until they have no more blood in them (Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) and finally 'rebooting' them when the sequels stop making money.

Comic book movies are just a cop out. What's so great about adapting them for the screen with today's technology? You can pick and chose your villains and plots from years worth of publications. That's what makes movies like Inception and even Brave so cool. Some original thought has gone into them.

[CheapJon]

Oooh. I know that "nobody is making me go to the theater to watch them", don't get your knickers in a twist.

right...

When will these movies cease?

[AxlReznor]

You can pick and chose your villains and plots from years worth of publications.

If it were that easy to make a good superhero movie, explain all of the bad ones which all seemed to take that exact approach. The best of those movies in the last few years didn't take that approach... the studio's hired the best writers Hollywood, perfectly matched up characters with directors, took some risks with casting choices and said something new about iconic characters that people thought they knew everything about by now.

Personally, I don't care what the source material for a movie is, as long as I enjoy it. My favourite movies in the last decade have been a mixture of original properties, comic book movies, serious dramas, and foreign action and historical movies. They all have their merits.

The Amazing Spider-Man is an enjoyable movie, which I thought was a very bad idea when it was first announced. It's not exactly fantastic as The Avengers and Chris Nolan's Batman movies have been, but the casting of Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone pushed it beyond what could have been nothing more than a cheap cash-in. I still wish that Sony had let the rights revert back to Marvel so that they could include him in the Avengers continuity, but as long as they keep up a quality that's at least as pleasant a diversion as this was, then I guess I'm happy. It's actually my second favourite Spider-Man movie, only beaten by Spider-Man 2 (which was a masterpiece).

[AxlsMainMan]

After rewatching Batman Begins the other day, I almost wonder if Tom Wilkinson playing Lizard instead would have made this movie even better. Wouldn't surprise me if he was considered for a future villain role (hopefully Doctor Octopus ).

[Gunner80]

The reboot was horrible.

[DeN]

Sam pulled out because Sony gave him hard times on the third movie.
Sony jeopardizes itself because of control. they ruined 50% of Spidey 3, and the reboot has nothing punchy on it.

good move for them due to the $ucce$$ of the new movie, bad artistic move.

[pilferk]

Sam pulled out because Sony gave him hard times on the third movie.
Sony jeopardizes itself because of control. they ruined 50% of Spidey 3, and the reboot has nothing punchy on it.

good move for them due to the $ucce$$ of the new movie, bad artistic move.

Sam pulled out because of the hard date for Spidey 4.  Period.  That's according to...well..everyone (including Sam).

If Sam was worried about what happened during the 3rd movie....interesting that he was on board with a 4th, at first.  No? Until Sony told him the release date was "hard against"?

Hard times? For the 4th movie, they were willing to pay him.  They were willing to give him script approval.  They were willing to give him full cast approval.  They avowed a more hands off approach.

They needed the movie by a certain date.

He said he couldn't (wouldn't) make the date, and walked away. Read that again: HE WALKED AWAY.  He wanted to go do another project...though he pleaded artistic integrity being the reason he couldn't make the date.  Truth, again, is that Sony wanted to track production/script work right after Spidey 3 was released.  Sam pushed them off because he wanted to work on Drag me to Hell, first.  Sony told him they were against a hard date.  Sam didn't care.

That's what happened.  It's documented.  It's been confirmed by....well...everyone involved.

I don't know what you think happened.....but you can't fault Sony for Sam walking away.  They didn't do anything wrong..they just set a deadline.  Sam just didn't want to do another one.

Say what you want about this version....I think it's better in some ways, worse in others...but it's making SCADS of money.  And, really, that's Sony's job.  So..apparently..they made the right decision.

Whether you, personally, like it or not.....that's a different discussion.  But I bet they make another one....

[Bodhi]

Im just glad the circumstances prevented Sam from making another Spider-Man movie, as we know finally have a good one!  I don't look at it as a reboot, since the first 3 don't exist in my mind.

[crow316]

Im just glad the circumstances prevented Sam from making another Spider-Man movie, as we know finally have a good one!  I don't look at it as a reboot, since the first 3 don't exist in my mind.

Completely %100 agree.