What albums are your "must own" albums?

[greendog]

As for 'rock' albums, the majority of them are pretty poor at best. As are most 'rock' bands. Very stale.

Id rather rock bands over electronic bands....any day.

Id rather just listen to good music regardless of genre, any day.

(even thursday... and sunday  )

[mrlee]

As for 'rock' albums, the majority of them are pretty poor at best. As are most 'rock' bands. Very stale.

Id rather rock bands over electronic bands....any day.

Id rather just listen to good music regardless of genre, any day.

(even thursday... and sunday  )

yeah but you said most rock albums people chose were bland...i dont understand how you can think that

[greendog]

As for 'rock' albums, the majority of them are pretty poor at best. As are most 'rock' bands. Very stale.

Id rather rock bands over electronic bands....any day.

Id rather just listen to good music regardless of genre, any day.

(even thursday... and sunday  )

yeah but you said most rock albums people chose were bland...i dont understand how you can think that

I can think that quite easily. As I do with every genre of music. There's so much filler, over-rated, fake, posing nonsense.

Yes I'm really opinionated and a lot of people will disagree with what I have to say... especially since I am in a 'rock' band forum. Guns N' Roses are my favorite band, but rock music to me is just drivel. Ofcourse, there are a few exceptions... like bands/artists that I like.

[TAP]

I can think that quite easily. As I do with every genre of music. There's so much filler, over-rated, fake, posing nonsense.

Totally agree. For example, there's only a handful of drummers I think who actually add to rock band, a few more who are adequate in that they do what is necessary, and a whole load who are rubbish. Guys like Reznor can program a drum machine to sound more rhythmically interesting than most rock drummers playing live.

[greendog]

I can think that quite easily. As I do with every genre of music. There's so much filler, over-rated, fake, posing nonsense.

Totally agree. For example, there's only a handful of drummers I think who actually add to rock band, a few more who are adequate in that they do what is necessary, and a whole load who are rubbish. Guys like Reznor can program a drum machine to sound more rhythmically interesting than most rock drummers playing live.

Yeah I agree to that

I just like sound for sound. When things get too calculated to fit a 'scene', genre or trend, it becomes a farce. Which is probably why I hate so many bands. I recognize that there will always be some similarities with the majority of musicians... but there's is a difference between posing and playing with integrity.

[mrlee]

my issue with electronic music is. its drag and drop music, without proper instruments i just dont think its real. Theres no emotion in some pretend noise you can make on your laptop.

(while i dont think this about NIN as they do use instruments most of the time) some other more electronic based bands bore me shitless.

And i like the feeling rock music gives, very energetic and the live shows by most of the good bands are always great to watch.

i guess its all opinion, but i just dont agree that most rock music is bland and stale.

[TAP]

Yeah I agree to that

I just like sound for sound. When things get too calculated to fit a 'scene', genre or trend, it becomes a farce.

Definitely. There's stuff I like now that I'm older that I didn't like when I was young because I wasn't supposed to. Similarly there's stuff I liked back then because
it fitted into the right genre that I really despise now.

[greendog]

Theres no emotion in some pretend noise you can make on your laptop.

Im going to ignore all of your post bar that one line, otherwise I'll be writing this forever.

No emotion in some pretend noise you can make on a laptop... right.

Im going to elaborate on laptop, and go for the whole 'synthesizing' sound. Be it from keyboards, laptops, plug ins, etc etc. They are only as emotional and detailed as the person programming it.

Its equal.

The way someone 'programs' a sound can easily be compared to someone playing the guitar. When someones playing a guitar, they are relying on something else [the guitar] to make the 'sound'... its just that people go about it different ways, with rig set ups, playing styles... Slash vs Bucket, for example. Two different players, same instrument, different sound. Its the way they play it, the way its set up, how they utilize all the different possibilities that makes that sound unique.

Just like with a keyboard/laptop etc... filter cut offs, oscillators, attack, delay, sustain, release, envelope filters, blah blah blah. All affecting the output sound. Same instruments, different set ups, different, unique sound.

Yes there are 'presets', but its not just presets. I never use them and a lot of artists spend hours/days/weeks/months making their own.

When a guitar arrives in its standard state, that is a preset. People customize... I'm going on and on... can you not see where I'm coming from?

A guitar is just as lifeless as an electronic 'emotionless' sound. It just needs an emotional player to strum its strings/press its buttons the right way.


EDIT:

one more thing... if you can make a sound with a laptop, its not pretend, is it?

[mrlee]

i CAN see your point, and its a very valid point. But i guess i just dont really feel much from those type of sounds.

When i hear a guitar solo, say the November rain guitar solo, one of my favorite solos to listen to, i cant really describe but i love hearing it i can hum to it i just love it. I just dont get that from mainly electronic music.

But i can understand how you may, as you did give very valid reasons to back your point.

[greendog]

Haha yeah, i might have over done it. i totally understand where you're coming from, like with November Rain etc, Slash is why I love rock music... the vast majority of others is why I hate it.

Trent Reznor etc is why I love electronic, the vast majority of others who have a computer and twiddle shit is why I hate electronic music...

so on and so forth throughout the genres. resulting in why i hate genres and just like (what i consider to be) real music, stand alone, without pigeon holing it.

[TAP]

A guitar is just as lifeless as an electronic 'emotionless' sound. It just needs an emotional player to strum its strings/press its buttons the right way.

Cool discussion, no one is right or wrong. I would add that it also requires a listener in tune with the emotions of the player for the 'emotion' to be communicated, the medium isn't so important as long as that connection is made. After all, many people think that GNR and NIN etc is just noise.

[greendog]

A guitar is just as lifeless as an electronic 'emotionless' sound. It just needs an emotional player to strum its strings/press its buttons the right way.

Cool discussion, no one is right or wrong. I would add that it also requires a listener in tune with the emotions of the player for the 'emotion' to be communicated, the medium isn't so important as long as that connection is made. After all, many people think that GNR and NIN etc is just noise.

also true.

after all, it is down to personal preference I guess.

[Jim]

Well, pretty much none of the above.

MUST own albums?

The Who - Quadrophenia
The Who - Who's Next
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
The Kinks - Arthur Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire
Pink Floyd - Animals (went in two by two...)
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

[mrlee]

Well, pretty much none of the above.

MUST own albums?

The Who - Quadrophenia
The Who - Who's Next
The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
The Kinks - Arthur Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire
Pink Floyd - Animals (went in two by two...)
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

You really do love the kinks dont you jim? 

(backs into corner shielding eyes from your negative karma givin wraith...memories of the last time i spoke of the kinks to you XD)

add to that.
What would you say on the first Pink Floyd album without Roger (i can never remember its name)? I always thought that had some good stuff on it.  Or was it his last album. i cant remember, the one where theres alot of world war soundin samples on it.

add to that (another edit)

Ill add Janes Addiction-Nothings Shocking, to the list.

[Jim]

You know what, I'm going to qualify what I just said. Or, err, listed. I've tried to not let my age, that is where I am now, get in the way... To the best that I can, of course.

Six albums, three bands? Well, when I first joined this message board Appetite for Destruction was one of my favourite albums, now days it would scrape to make top ten.

Actually... I know for a fact that I wouldn't!, it's not even one of my favourite albums. It has nothing to do with my "maturing," but I now fully appreciate that things change... Everything changes.

Or at least, it can. And that most certainly did. I feel that the albums that I listed are ones that I really believe that I will want to revisit for the rest of my life. I can't say that for much more, because I just don't know.

But hey, even the Kinky Who Floydian of me may one day disappear as well.

[TAP]

A guitar is just as lifeless as an electronic 'emotionless' sound. It just needs an emotional player to strum its strings/press its buttons the right way.

Cool discussion, no one is right or wrong. I would add that it also requires a listener in tune with the emotions of the player for the 'emotion' to be communicated, the medium isn't so important as long as that connection is made. After all, many people think that GNR and NIN etc is just noise.

also true.

after all, it is down to personal preference I guess.

Anyone read this book?

http://www.yourbrainonmusic.com/

I found it really interesting - it's written by a neuroscientist about why we like music. It gets a little technical at times but mainly it's very readable - he's also a musician and had a forme existence as a recording engineer with some pretty big names. I was expecting to be annoyed by it - like you say, it's personal preference - but he really addresses it from that point of view.

[Jim]

You really do love the kinks dont you jim? 

(backs into corner shielding eyes from your negative karma givin wraith...memories of the last time i spoke of the kinks to you XD)

add to that.
What would you say on the first Pink Floyd album without Roger (i can never remember its name)? I always thought that had some good stuff on it.  Or was it his last album. i cant remember, the one where theres alot of world war soundin samples on it.

Haha, not half as far as the Kinks go. Fuck the Beatles (don't, actually), the Kinks were the band that linked them with the likes of the Who and the Stones. Just magnificient!

As for Floyd, the first Waters-less album was Momentary Lapse of Reason, which I'm not too familiar with to say the least. I really like the Division Bell though, the other one that they did without him. While the lyrics are a bit first draft (and severely lacking, in places) as an album it's great, and deserved of the Floyd name!

[Jim]

On the Kinks, check out Victoria, or actually, any of Arthur. Victoria is briliant, it's like hearing the Beatles really rock!, hence my saying that they are sort of the inbetween of the Beatles and the Stones/Who.

[mrlee]

You know what, I'm going to qualify what I just said. Or, err, listed. I've tried to not let my age, that is where I am now, get in the way... To the best that I can, of course.

Six albums, three bands? Well, when I first joined this message board Appetite for Destruction was one of my favourite albums, now days it would scrape to make top ten.

Actually... I know for a fact that I wouldn't!, it's not even one of my favourite albums. It has nothing to do with my "maturing," but I now fully appreciate that things change... Everything changes.

Or at least, it can. And that most certainly did. I feel that the albums that I listed are ones that I really believe that I will want to revisit for the rest of my life. I can't say that for much more, because I just don't know.

But hey, even the Kinky Who Floydian of me may one day disappear as well.

Maybe you just overplayed appetite?

I know i have, i barely listen to guns n roses at all. I still love them, and i love watching live bootlegs of them still. But i rarely listen to them at all because i think i played them so much in my early teen years. Sometimes ill have a sudden burst of listening to all there albums in a day. But i dont consistently listen to them loads now. Same with my favorite band of the 00s CRASHDIET i dont listen to them very often either anymore. Lately ive just been shooting out into various different genres, i checked out The Sisters of Mercy and really dug on them, yet i also checked out (yes they are cheesy but the songs are still good) Danger Danger and really dug on them also. Two totally different bands.

Another artist i used to listen to loads and now i never listen to, but still like, Marilyn Manson.

Im unsure if it is my stage of life or just over playing them.

[Jim]

Hmm. I've had a few beers. I just looked at your post again, you're definitely thinking of The Final Cut, which aye, was Waters last album. It's great, even if I'm not quite as familiar with it as some of the others (my speciality is the classic era (Dark Side to The Wall) and the Barrett stuff), I really like it. He actually played Southamption Dock and Fletcher Memorial Home when I say him the other day. The were briliant, though I did miss some of Fletcher because I needed the toilet...

... Terrible!, I know, but I knew that Perfect Sense and Sheep were coming up, and I wasn't having those ruined by my alcohol stained bladder!