Is God real / fake?

[polluxlm]

I stand corrected.

But you still lended your support to the statement, so the argument stands.

[Jessica]

You know, although i do have some form of faith, it's very hard to keep it, let alone believing in a " god" as christianity describes it.

My life, like some other people's lifes, has been excruciatingly hard, some things should never have happened, never.

How can one believe in god ?

I meet people who pray in the hope their lifes change, who go to church thinking there will be a divine sign.

I mean, it's all bollocks, people suffer, we live, we die, we are beaten or raped, stolen from, cheated on, we loose our material goods, our homes, our healths too.

Where is god in all these ?

If god existed, do you think he would have let 9 million jews go to nazi ovens ?

Because they prayed, they prayed hard, they didn't take weapons because they prayed and they died.

So what's god really ?

Merely a reflection of our fears, of our pains, of our hopes ?

Just a foolish mirror in which we look at times of trouble in the hope we find strengh we think we don't have.

But what we see in the mirror isn't heavenly or magic, it's us.

So why look into it ?

[CheapJon]

I found out yesterday that i was agnostic.. or believe in it.. don't ask me what it means though

[Jessica]

I found out yesterday that i was agnostic.. or believe in it.. don't ask me what it means though

agnostic : not for christianity, not against christianity

[CheapJon]

I found out yesterday that i was agnostic.. or believe in it.. don't ask me what it means though

agnostic : not for christianity, not against christianity

yeah something like that.. but i do believe in something, there are all kinds of agnostic belief.. (i think )

[Axl4Prez2004]

But what we see in the mirror isn't heavenly or magic, it's us.

So why look into it ?

Why look into that mirror you ask?  Because I look damn good!   

Seriously...I look damn good.  Now on topic, I hear ya Jessica and CheapJon. 

I think my logical mind is 100% atheist, but my heart holds out hope there is something beyond what we know here on Earth.  Sounds crazy huh?  However, I don't ascribe to any one particular faith because in so doing, I am telling hundreds of millions of other people their beliefs are wrong.  If I fall into line with any major organized religion, I am pissing on the graves of those slaughtered or subjugated people whose belief structures were crushed by the century-old swords of today's major religions.

        

[TAP]

I stand corrected.

But you still lended your support to the statement, so the argument stands.

I didn't particularly support MK's his argument though I do within the context of the first post which specifically mentioned the old testament and the implied definition of God which goes along with it. I certainly don't disagree with you that if there is a god then he/she/it is not benevolent. But my main point (again) is that these debates are a little pointless without a definition to start from.

[TAP]

If god existed, do you think he would have let 9 million jews go to nazi ovens ?

A couple of days ago I read about an argument from some kind of Christian minister justifying that hell was necessary as a punishment for truly evil people like Hitler who didn't receive an earthly punishment. And the counter argument that according to most Christian doctrine the Jews would be in hell too.

[TAP]

I think my logical mind is 100% atheist, but my heart holds out hope there is something beyond what we know here on Earth. 
   

Sorry, but that makes you an atheist Hope doesn't count.

[TAP]

I found out yesterday that i was agnostic.. or believe in it.. don't ask me what it means though

agnostic : not for christianity, not against christianity

Agnostic literally means without knowledge, which describes just about everyone (theist and atheist) as far as existence of G/god(s).

[Axl4Prez2004]

Ha, nice one Tap.     Hope doesn't count?  Then what the hell have I been doing on this board for almost 5 years? 

I think you understand where I'm coming from.   

[TAP]

Ha, nice one Tap.     Hope doesn't count?  Then what the hell have I been doing on this board for almost 5 years? 

I think you understand where I'm coming from.   

I'm a CD theist

[Axl4Prez2004]

With 4 albums on their way, I think it's more like polytheism.      

[SLCPUNK]

I think my logical mind is 100% atheist, but my heart holds out hope there is something beyond what we know here on Earth.  Sounds crazy huh? 

I don't think so.

[Jim Bob]

I found out yesterday that i was agnostic.. or believe in it.. don't ask me what it means though

agnostic : not for christianity, not against christianity

Agnostic literally means without knowledge, which describes just about everyone (theist and atheist) as far as existence of G/god(s).

it means they aren't sure.  they acknowledge there may be a god and they acknowledge that there may not be a god.  and they generally are not concerned.

i worship myself

[horsey]

im not sure but something out there helps me along in life.if it's god then so be it.something we believe is there when we end.a last hope of life we like to think.that we will go on in spirits.i pray but don't go to church but find god answers me prayers.even if im not going each  week to church.im really weird about relegion.just in life when i feel spirtuaul.everyday life  things.life death and such.we do believe something at least.as far as research i found im not sure what to really believe.some get really carried away with it though.then it's scary.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Horsey, God spoke to me today and told me to tell you there are 2 spaces after each period.  Don't disappoint him. 
Seriously though, I'm cool with your belief structure.  I think there are a lot of folks out there like you. 

[Prometheus]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/God?

That is God, not god

LOL

dirty fucker

[horsey]

OMG IM JUST LAZY WITH TYPING ANYMORE
double dratt lol
been a long week so far '
an a couple days later too '

[Howard2k]

Actually whether there is or is not a God is almost irrelevant.

It's the way that religion preaches intolerance that is really bad, and the way that so many people blindly follow it.? ?I find it absolutely staggering that apparently educated people can actually be religious.? It's truly incredible.


And if there is a God, I doubt that he gives a crap about the glorified popularity contest that happens in his name.