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« on: May 14, 2007, 01:27:00 PM »
Here's how they tell the story about how they put the coin on the cover. But they don't know it's a coin from the Pinochet Era.....one of the most brutal dictators ... They just saw the coin around somebody's neck and thought hey cool...
what they don't know is how disturbing it is for someone to use that coin as a necklace... sort of like wearing a nazi necklace or something



http://www.lenonline.nl/070513_-_Toronto_Canada_-_EDGE102_1.mp3
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 01:31:47 PM »
About the Pinochet era is not important, Velvet Revolver only use the coin as aesthetic resource
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 02:47:02 PM »
Quote from: Wooody on May 14, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
Here's how they tell the story about how they put the coin on the cover. But they don't know it's a coin from the Pinochet Era.....one of the most brutal dictators ... They just saw the coin around somebody's neck and thought hey cool...
what they don't know is how disturbing it is for someone to use that coin as a necklace... sort of like wearing a nazi necklace or something



http://www.lenonline.nl/070513_-_Toronto_Canada_-_EDGE102_1.mp3

They knew it, there are some quotes, but I don't have time now for the research.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 02:52:27 PM »

^ Same here, they know about it and I think I've read that's the very reason they chose to use it : the opposition of its meaning with the album's title Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 04:50:44 PM »
I think VR members know perfectly the history of that coin... as well as Weiland knew perfectly the meaning of that SS hat he used to wear...

Just a little of (what they think is) harmless provocation...

But, of course, that's just my opinion...
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM »
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 05:10:35 PM »

Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2007, 05:15:01 PM »
Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

Well, I dont know if ''offend'' is the word, but I was born in Argentina, bordering with Chile, and my country has suffered several dictatorships. The last one coincides with Pinochet's regime in time and in methods. Here in Argentina there were 30.000 ''dissapeared'' people and you dont see people in the streets wearing t-shirts with emblems from that period. My father was persecuted for years and every person in my country has at least one friend/familiar that was killed by that dictatorship. From time to time, a new concentration camp or a place with buried people appear in my country, and there's a collective consensum about not making jokes with that subject. We need justice, not more and more provocation.

I dont consider ''funny'' any icon from any dictatorship. Now, imagine if a major band releases an album with a swastika as artwork... well, this is the same, with the ONLY difference that the whole world knows what the nazism was, and nobody knows argentine and chilean dictatorships besides argentine/chilean people.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 05:56:22 PM »
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Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

Some other singers had the same hat, didn't they?
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2007, 06:28:59 PM »
Quote from: NicoRourke on May 14, 2007, 05:10:35 PM

Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

well they were in my country, england. We have much worse things around in this country to worry about a hat, notice it got NO media attention (him wearing it at live 8 )

People are allowed to burn the union jack in our very country and protest against its very people, they also get police protection to do so, so i dont think that hat is a big deal.
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2007, 06:36:19 PM »
Quote from: Mikkamakka on May 14, 2007, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: NicoRourke on May 14, 2007, 05:10:35 PM

Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

Some other singers had the same hat, didn't they?

What other singer wore an SS hat?
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2007, 07:02:26 PM »
Quote from: chineseblues on May 14, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
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Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

Some other singers had the same hat, didn't they?

What other singer wore an SS hat?

most likely johnny rotten or someone in the 70s
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2007, 07:11:49 PM »
Quote from: Mikkamakka on May 14, 2007, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: NicoRourke on May 14, 2007, 05:10:35 PM

Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

Some other singers had the same hat, didn't they?

David Bowie?
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2007, 07:14:18 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2007, 07:14:45 PM »
Quote from: mrlee on May 14, 2007, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: chineseblues on May 14, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
Quote from: Mikkamakka on May 14, 2007, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: NicoRourke on May 14, 2007, 05:10:35 PM

Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

Some other singers had the same hat, didn't they?

What other singer wore an SS hat?

most likely johnny rotten or someone in the 70s

im pretty sure it wasnt Johny Rotten
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2007, 07:30:37 PM »
Didn't Axl used to wear the exact same hat? I think Pete Doherty wore it at Live 8 too, or something similar
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2007, 07:45:35 PM »
Nazi imagery wasnt uncommon during the outset of punk rock:






Marilyn Manson has used plenty of Nazi-inspired imagery as well...

To me, it strictly boils down to intention and execution.  I dont know if the band intended the artwork to have any significant political irony, but Im fairly certain that its not an endorsement of the Pinochet regime.  I find the dumb pride in the Confederate flag of some southern American bands to be a bit more offensive.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2007, 07:51:35 PM »
Quote from: Mr Bootlegs on May 14, 2007, 07:30:37 PM
Didn't Axl used to wear the exact same hat? I think Pete Doherty wore it at Live 8 too, or something similar

Axl wore a Police hat. Theres a difference.
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2007, 07:59:54 PM »
Quote from: NicoRourke on May 14, 2007, 05:10:35 PM

Quote from: Jizzo on May 14, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
does the coin offend you? it doesnt offend me

No, it doesn't. But somehow the hat did. Especially at the Live 8 gig.

he just made a complete ass of himself at live 8
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2007, 10:36:40 PM »
Quote from: chineseblues on May 14, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
Axl wore a Police hat. Theres a difference.

Are both "gay and not rock?"

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