Major report on Climate Change exposes Republican lies on Global Warming

[Booker Floyd]

I think Global warming is another govt tool to try and scare people into behaving certain ways.

 

Maybe you can explain this further?

Maybe I am wrong but I don't buy all of what they try to sell.

"They" being scientists?

[cotis]

I love how the topic starter comes to HTGTH, a forum for GNR fans, and hasn't even posted in a GNR section. Only here to drill Republicans.

[D]

I just dont swallow everything that is fed to me.

People watch Al Gore and all of a sudden think the world is gonna blow up in a hundred years. It is absurd.


The world will blow up via Nuclear Holocaust long before we have a chance to destroy it with global warming.

I think its a waste of time, money and energy to worry about it.



Fear is a controlling tool used by people to make people behave in certain ways.


Scientist last i checked make money right?

If they dont find any evidence guess what? they are unemployed..... SO OF COURSE They are gonna paint the grimmest picture regardless to stay employed.




The world is almost turning into another Dark Age where people are fed all sorts of superstitions to control their behavior.

Hell Bush won re-election with this very tactic.



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Here?s what the data say, about which there is little debate; ground-based temperatures stations indicate that the planet has warmed somewhere between .3 and .6 degrees Celsius since about 1850, with about half of this warming occurring since WWII.



To me, that is hardly a crisis.

[Drew]

Good post D.

Pilferk,

What I'm saying is this report/study being released by the U.N. with their approval is just not reputable in my opinion. An organization that has corruption from top to bottom, being the Oil for Food scandal, Kofia Annan, the rapes committed in Africa, etc., etc., etc. is not reliable or trust worthy in my opinion anymore or any report they attach their name too.

I don't think it's an opinion based on politics. Look at the scandals of the U.N. and Kofi Annan. That's is where I come to my opinion. With thses corruptions taking place time after time after time, they lose credibility. Everytime I turn around there's another scare alert on global warming.

There may be a chance of global warming but not to the extents of these extremist. Nothing last forever and neither will this planet. So changes are bound to happen over periods of time. But in my own opinion, there's no reason to send the world scare alerts on global warming.

[Booker Floyd]

I just dont swallow everything that is fed to me.

Ive seen enough of your posts to know how untrue this is.

In this instance, youre choosing to "swallow" what global warming skeptics have offered.  The only difference between you and global warming believers is they choose to swallow the findings of the scientific community, while you choose to swallow the pridefully dismissive, corporate-friendly assertions of the skeptics.

Fear is a controlling tool used by people to make people behave in certain ways.

 

So says the George W. Bush/Bill O'Reilly fan.

Scientist last i checked make money right?

If they dont find any evidence guess what? they are unemployed..... SO OF COURSE They are gonna paint the grimmest picture regardless to stay employed.

Wow...

You never explained what this conspiracy to control peoples behavior entails; whos behind it?  What kind of behavior would they like to see?  Youve proposed a bold conspiracy theory, now try backing it up.

Im also curious how much research youve really done on the subject.  My guess is very little, relying on little more than Fox News talking heads and your own baseless self-certainty.  But after that scientist theory, Im not sure it matters.

[D]

Dude I am actually a Democrat.

WHy is it ok for Democrats to take verbatim everything a democrat says but if its a republican its all a bunch of lies and bullshit? Aren't you doing what you are accusing me of?

Al Gore does a one sided Documentary like Micheal Moore and everyone reacts as if everything presented is 100 percent factual which it isnt.

Do u know that if we conserve 20 percent energy that it will cost millions of jobs in the US?

Some believe that GLobal Warming is a ploy to try to redistribute The world's income to take away from the United States and make other countries Richer and more powerful.

Read my last paragraph. That has come from studies that are not disputed.

The world has warmed .3 to .6 degrees Celcius in 157 Years!

I dont think the world at that pace is gonna explode anytime soon.

I think it is all political.

Bush scared the United States via Terrorism to get re elected, So Democrats who know they cant win on their war stance are now going the Enviroment/healthcare route.

I just find it funny how I can be condemned and treated as a dumbass for believing what I believe but yet You feel like u are a genius for believing some UN report that is probably as credible as the anti Global Warming people.

Doesnt make you or I right or wrong. You buy into one side. I buy into the other.

Is there such a thing as Global Warming? Possibly, I think there are definite possibilities.

Do I believe it is a Huge, world Crisis?? NO , not at all. I believe it is completely overblown like SARS, Bird Flu and the flesh eating paper cut disease.


Also u speak of Scientists like they are GOD.

U ever noticed Construction on the interstate?  U ever noticed how it never ends? U know why that is? cause if the Construction ended, People would be without Jobs so they continously fix unbroken things to keep getting paid.  If Scientists didnt find these HARSH studies, No one would donate and pay their bills so Yeah I do question them greatly. Anybody who makes a big paycheck I question cause its human nature to keep wanting to collect that paycheck.

[Booker Floyd]

What I'm saying is this report/study being released by the U.N. with their approval is just not reputable in my opinion. An organization that has corruption from top to bottom, being the Oil for Food scandal, Kofia Annan, the rapes committed in Africa, etc., etc., etc. is not reliable or trust worthy in my opinion anymore or any report they attach their name too.

Hypothetically, if the U.N. report found that global warming doesnt exist/isnt hastened by human activity, would you believe the opposite?  After all, that seems to be the foundation of your skepticism.

What do you believe then?  If you, like your colleague D, dont trust the majority of reputable scientists because you believe theyre fabricating conclusions for money (Id love to see this explained further), what science do you accept?  If you dismiss anything presented by a government body tarnished by cases of corruption, what do you accept of the White House and Congress?  Youre automatically skeptical of any news outlet (regardless of the fact that in this case the outlet has nothing to do with the findings), so I wonder where you learned about all of these U.N. stories.

[D]

I am skeptical of everybody.

I just believe its a waste of money and time.

Its as silly as the Terror Alert levels on TV.

When it starts snowing 20 inches in Hawaii maybe I'll be a believer. The earth heating up a degree or 2 over a 50 year period is not proof, Its Evolution, its the earth's natural progression over time.


note:


The Scientists said "Very Likely"

Who are they Axl Rose?

What kind of answer is that? Very Likely? How is that definitive at all?? Sounds like Bullshit to me.


Could they be more vague?

3 to 35 inches by 2100? How could they estimate something like that? And they sure are giving a great deal of room for error arent they? Why didnt they just say between 1 and 100?


4 degrees in 93 years once again to me is not that drastic and to me is something u cant predict.


who the hell has ever been able to predict the weather anyway?

[D]

http://www.cato.org/speeches/sp-jt011698.html




I have no idea their party affiliation NOR do i care.

I think its pretty interesting.

[Booker Floyd]

Dude I am actually a Democrat.

Ill take your word for it with the understanding that Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman identify themselves as Democrats as well.  Some are interested in identifying themselves in a particular way and then contradicting the expectations that come with the label.  Like I said the other day, such a facade assumedly creates an air of objectivity.  Bush-supporters can give Republican talking points and then clarify that "Im saying that as a Democrat."  That may not be the case for you, but I certainly get that impression from your posts. 

WHy is it ok for Democrats to take verbatim everything a democrat says but if its a republican its all a bunch of lies and bullshit? Aren't you doing what you are accusing me of?

What are you talking about? 

Al Gore does a one sided Documentary like Micheal Moore and everyone reacts as if everything presented is 100 percent factual which it isnt.

This topic is about a report from 600 scientists, not Al Gore and Michael Moore.

Some believe that GLobal Warming is a ploy to try to redistribute The world's income to take away from the United States and make other countries Richer and more powerful.

Who believes this?  What evidence do they have to support this? 

It seems your covering your own tracks by turning that claim into a strawman; why not just say that you believe it?  Youve already fundamentally rejected the institution of science because scientists make money, why stop now?

Bush scared the United States via Terrorism to get re elected, So Democrats who know they cant win on their war stance are now going the Enviroment/healthcare route.

Yes, because it was only after Bushs elections that people made up global warming.

[Drew]

Hypothetically, if the U.N. report found that global warming doesnt exist/isnt hastened by human activity, would you believe the opposite?  After all, that seems to be the foundation of your skepticism.

No, their credibilty is garbage either way.

[D]

Booker:

What did the scientists claim as Fact?


Every single thing was "Likely" or "Very Likely" or possibly.

They gave NO Definitive answer.

Sea Level could rise 3 to 35 inches by 2100


Hell Jesus could come back and claim our souls by 2100.

How vague are those 600 scientist who seem to me are making sure they keep collecting donations and their funding budgets.


The earth cooled down for 19 years and now has started heating back up and Im sure after a couple decades it will once again start cooling down.

its what the earth does!


What dont u understand about .3 to .6 degrees in 157 years? 18cm's is all Sea Level has risen.

that to me is hardly a crisis.

Its political hogwash.


Booker, you and your ilk probably believed in 1985 that we would have flying cars by the year 2000.

Scientists, meteorologist etc cant predict the weather for tomorrow, how are they remotely qualified to say how the world will be in the year 2100?

Hell we may not even have a world by 2100.

Its all pointless.

[Gordon Gekko]

People watch Al Gore and all of a sudden think the world is gonna blow up in a hundred years. It is absurd.

Did you see the movie?

No, their credibilty is garbage either way.

After the last 5 years America has little ground to stand on when speaking of "credibility".

[SLCPUNK]

I love how the topic starter comes to HTGTH, a forum for GNR fans, and hasn't even posted in a GNR section. Only here to drill Republicans.

I say we list his personal info to shut him up and teach him a lesson.

After the last 5 years America has little ground to stand on when speaking of "credibility".

The right wing smear machine has always gone above and beyond to ruin anybody who spoke up against their illegal war. There are plenty who still buy it hook line and sinker to this day, repeating the "UN is corrupt" mantra without missing a beat. 

When asked to put up or shut up, the GOP liars got shut down, and spanked live on Cspan.  I'll never forget that day.

[Sober_times]

I use to not belive in global warming, but as i am attending college again I had to do a paper last year on it. After studing all the information on it that has been presented I now belive that global warming does exist. Scientists have some-what of an idea of what it may do, but nobody really knows what exactly the affects will be. I do belive that some orginaztions and political groups use it for many reasons, which is a shame because it is a serious situation, that hopefully will continue to be researched for years to come, and maybe our kids will finally do something about it.

Bush scared the United States via Terrorism to get re elected, So Democrats who know they cant win on their war stance are now going the Enviroment/healthcare route.

Bush used terror, everyone uses terror. I'm neither an elephant or a jack-ass. I belive the real reason bush won re-election is because the right wing religous nuts when out it droves in mid-western states to make sure they get a guy that wont allow any rights to homosexuals.

The democrats touch on environment, but they know its not a huge issue to the american people. The main thing they have and will go for is healthcare. And I belive the only reason democrats dont speak out against global warming is only because they don't have the lobbyists and financers from big industrial buisness the republicans have, so since their not gonna get anything out of supporting them they speak out for the environment and against? oil-based industrial buisness.?

[Drew]

No, their credibilty is garbage either way.

After the last 5 years America has little ground to stand on when speaking of "credibility".

That changes nothing regarding the U.N. though.

[SLCPUNK]

That changes nothing regarding the U.N. though.

You don't get it do you?

When somebody is as morally bankrupt as this administration is, it is hard to take them seriously as they finger point at other governing bodies. In fact it gives them zero credibility, which does in fact change everything about the UN, no matter how much you'd like to pretend otherwise.

You may now return to your koolaid.

[pilferk]

Good post D.

Pilferk,

What I'm saying is this report/study being released by the U.N. with their approval is just not reputable in my opinion. An organization that has corruption from top to bottom, being the Oil for Food scandal, Kofia Annan, the rapes committed in Africa, etc., etc., etc. is not reliable or trust worthy in my opinion anymore or any report they attach their name too.

I don't think it's an opinion based on politics. Look at the scandals of the U.N. and Kofi Annan. That's is where I come to my opinion. With thses corruptions taking place time after time after time, they lose credibility. Everytime I turn around there's another scare alert on global warming.

There may be a chance of global warming but not to the extents of these extremist. Nothing last forever and neither will this planet. So changes are bound to happen over periods of time. But in my own opinion, there's no reason to send the world scare alerts on global warming.

By politics, I meant the UN's, not yours.  Just to clarify.

And you're doing exactly what I contend you are.  And you just said as much.

[pilferk]

Scientist last i checked make money right?

If they dont find any evidence guess what? they are unemployed..... SO OF COURSE They are gonna paint the grimmest picture regardless to stay employed.

With the past UN scientific and medical studies...you get your grant money regardless of what your findings show.  So long as the study audit is successful (which simply asks for documentation the study occurs, not of the findings which are submitted seperately), you get the $$.

[pilferk]

note:


The Scientists said "Very Likely"

Who are they Axl Rose?

What kind of answer is that? Very Likely? How is that definitive at all?? Sounds like Bullshit to me.

It's not vague, actually.  If you read the article in question (or know of the original study) you'll see they gave a pretty definitive defenition to what "Very Likely", in terms of percentages, means.