The leaks (Why now? Who leaked them? Are they on CD? Comparisons to old demos)

[lastroots]

I am reading some things about these demos on the board which are pretty funny. I am an older fan, so bear with me. Pretent you never heard november rain. I have 2 really old demo versions. Axl and a piano, and axl and 1 guitar. If this was the 1st time you heard NR, most people would be like "what the hell is this?". But look how good that song turned out to be! I think twat and better will be really amazing.

Yeas, I have these demos as well, but they are not comparable to the current ones IMO. They were really early stage stuff, but these new ones sound pretty much finished. Just some pices and bits that are not added yet.

However, they are great.

/lastroots

[CAFC Nick]

They are basic demos converted in mp'3 (with a sound loss).

I already said that... but drums SUCKS and bass SUCKS. rytm parts sounds very "korn"

Better and TWAT are supposed to be the big guns in the album, according to many interviews. These songs are supposed to be the "estranged" and the "Sweet child" of the upcoming album...

Compare the new tracks with appetite or UYI demos?


The songs are not bad... but they are not "revolutionary"

"revolution" were the beatles, not chinese democracy.

I'm tryin to say that the songs are not bad... but they are not what they sold me with interviews and comments.

Yeah totally agree with you.

These songs are terrific songs but they aren't revolutionary. They are not this mindblowing experience that will appeal to everyone.

[freddiebrph]

They are basic demos converted in mp'3 (with a sound loss).

I already said that... but drums SUCKS and bass SUCKS. rytm parts sounds very "korn"

Better and TWAT are supposed to be the big guns in the album, according to many interviews. These songs are supposed to be the "estranged" and the "Sweet child" of the upcoming album...

Compare the new tracks with appetite or UYI demos?


The songs are not bad... but they are not "revolutionary"

"revolution" were the beatles, not chinese democracy.

I'm tryin to say that the songs are not bad... but they are not what they sold me with interviews and comments.

Yeah totally agree with you.

These songs are terrific songs but they aren't revolutionary. They are not this mindblowing experience that will appeal to everyone.

No song will be "revolutionary" All we can do is hope for a great album by our favorite band. Some will love it and some will hate it. Not everyone likes the same thing. But I think we can all agree these songs are good and it gives us something to look forward to!

[WARose]

BE PATIENT!!!...............

[NickNasty]

These songs are terrific songs but they aren't revolutionary. They are not this mindblowing experience that will appeal to everyone.

Right and Axl knows as much-he said as much to Rolling Stone! It seems to me Axl knows he aint gonna please everybody and hes fine with it-IMO it was and always has been about pleasing himself-making the record he wanted to make-not to be the fucking savior of the music industry. It was never about a revolution except to us. JMO.

[gav]

I'm sick of people claiming these songs aren't the revolutionary, mind-blowing experience that poeple are apparantly expecting. Axl has never promised us an earth-shattering, monumental album. He has simply taken this time to create an album he is happy with. The length of time it has taken for this album to eventually see the light of day has, unfortunately, created a massive expectation.

But these songs, notwithstanding their 'demo' status, are superb and if they are a merely a taste of what we can expect, then I am one happy mother fucker.

[ARC]

These new tunes rock.

"Better" has a great melody and "TWAT" has unreal guitar.

Studio version TWAT could be one of the greatest songs Axl ever puts his name to.

[Shoeboy]

These are demos.  They aren't finished.   There's no way that the band or label officially release this material with such sloppy mixes of IRS and TWAT.  If these are the final cuts, then this has been a waste of time and a lot of $$$.

BTW, don't tell me that if you think the money spent is an issue that you're not a fan.  The money spent on this album is every bit as much of an issue as the amount of time that it took to complete.  It's all part of the story.

I think when the final album comes out, it will sound significantly more refined.  As of now, the vocals are just kind of there.  They are not integrated with the music (with the possible exception of 'Better' ). 

My conspiracy theory- the band and management allowed these demos to leak as a cover while the masters move from Sterling Sound over to duplication.  The 'real deal' is yet to come.

[Lucky]

I think twat is great, I have only one remark.

the guitar work in first 15 s needs to be better.

other than that it's a+

[NickNasty]

My conspiracy theory- the band and management allowed these demos to leak as a cover while the masters move from Sterling Sound over to duplication.  The 'real deal' is yet to come.

That actually isnt such a crazy conspiracy-get some demos out of just enough quality that they distract everyone from the final product being mastered and pressed. hmmm....

[gally]

this just dosent make sense,

Axl must be behind the leaks, because if he wasnt he could just sit at home, rather than his recnet appearences?

there may be more too, what happens if there are another 3 leaked, thats half an albumn

[Howard2k]

-IF- Axl is behind the leaks, perhaps he ONLY leaked three of them?   Why must there be more?

[gally]

now better has been extended!!!!! almost another meg of this song

why not pop it up on itunes and let it sell, why hold back

[Markus Asraelius]

It's still not the whole song. You can tell...

[nonlinear]

what do you mean 'bow better has been extended" by 1 meg.....

are you referring to the 2:01 version???

[jarmo]

Would you please stop starting new threads for everything that pops into your heads.

Take a minute or two and look back a few pages to see if there's already a recent thread about "your" subject.

You can also use the thing we call "Search" for finding threads/posts.



If you newbies don't stop posting these repeat threads, I'll have to set up this board so that only moderators can start new threads. Is that what you all want? We spend too much time merging threads these days because some of you are too fucking lazy!





/jarmo

[gally]

oops sorry dude!!!!

Axl must be behind this!!!

i reckon there could be one or more too leaked

[WhatIsItMan]

I think someone just ripped them from the master disc at low quality.  They didn't have time to adjust the quality, and then Axl walked back into the room during the ripping of "Better", so the rip was aborted.  Yup, that's what happened.

[fieldsy]

Please tell me your joking...you are...right?

[WARose]

yeah sure    that?s what happened

seems that someone ripped the master 3 years ago...