Slash says that Axl only has a couple of songs with vocals on it

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The only thing fucked up, is thatt people like Dizzy, and others (you know who you are), that take all this too seriously. That makes me wonder how thye get along (as AxlGunner puts it) in the real world.

It's no more pathetic than the people who get all up in arms because Slash or other ex-members say something that is remotely negative. They act like a bunch of star-struck children. It's embarrassing and pathetic.

You would think people on both sides would learn to move on already.

No, the reason people are so up in arms about this comment is because its simply not true and slash is saying he knows for a fact. Slash is flat out lying, and that is why people are calling slash on this.  If axl made up a lie about slash, axl would be getting bashed for 20 pages, calling him an asshole and  a prick.
So why is it when slash tells a lie and says its a fact he does not have to answer for it?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Stop arguing with Dave & the other Axl-lovers who are blinded by their passion and deny every fact, create factoids and they explain the inexplicable. They live in their world, they know CD is coming, Slash is a liar, Axl cares of them, Axl is always right and he is perfect. I know it's hard not to comment their weird thinking, but try it.  

How am i blinded? I am just curious.  And how is what slash said here a fact? Slash is the ONLY person who has said axl only has 2 songs done with vocals for CD, yet for about 10 other sources since 2000 axl has had atleast 2 albums done of material with vocals?  Also tell me this, how can slash not be a liar if his stories of what happened keep changing?  Answer me those simple questions.

[Buddha_Master]

Dave dave dave...i was just trying to smooth shit out around here.


...ah well fuck it.

[Imfuckincrazy]

You got to understand first, the nature of being a fan of something, or someone. When there is someone talking shit about someone you break it down if you are a fan of him, or were a fan at some point. Its when you talk shit about someone for doing the same thing that you are doing on the flip side, is when your words of being "embarrasing and pathetic" more applies

Exactly, and that is what you did. You gave your side of the story, and when people disagreed and tried to argue with it, you said we are taking this too seriously.

If you don't want to be a part of the discussion, fine. No one is forcing you to respond to this thread.

[Naupis]

I think this whole debate just shows the sad state of the band right now. We spend more time on this board talking about what Slash/Duff have to say about GNR than we do talking about the actual music. I guess that is because they refuse to give us music or anything to talk about, but it sucks either way.

[AxlGunner]

So why is it when slash tells a lie and says its a fact he does not have to answer for it?

do you really think that you bitching about it on some message board is really gonna stick it to him or something? i dont understand how he's "answering for it" in any way by you calling him a liar? he doesnt even know who you are. nor would he care.

i dont understand why you feel personally compelled to bitch about him. i also like how you "cant be bothered" to look for any quotes where people start bashing axl after he said something bad about slash. where are the 20 page threads dude? the mystical land of narnia?

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Axl comes out and he says exactly what he thinks of Slash/old members. I haven't a clue what Slash thinks...
Maybe Slash is trying to be the better man, rise above name calling, etc... but when he still lets comments slip out here and there, it seems like he wants to look the better man, but still wants to get snide digs in on Axl.
It could be he's really trying not to comment on it, and honestly doesn't want to cause friction, but it's understandable why people might think he's being two-faced.
You can't tell which it is.

...in the end, this is just entertainment.

In fact, I laughed when Slash said he refused to watch GNR's VMA performance..... Or this rumor that he created about Axl and only recording vocals on 2 songs... its fucking funny.

Shit, I never laughed harder when Axl said Slash was up his ass, or that he was fucking Serpico, and they can suck his dick. That was classic... I love Axls rants...they are never NOT good. Slash, is entertaining in his " im a dummy" way. You know, the classic of all classics, grammy speech. He said (from memory) " This is fucking great, oh shit, did I just say fuck." I watched that over and over till my tape melted. Slash is fucking funny. He is just funny in a different way now. Axl is funny for the same reason reason he always was.

You got to understand first, the nature of being a fan of something, or someone. When there is someone talking shit about someone you break it down...  

Anyway, I understand how passionate we can all get about this. We are fans. That is why we talk here...A fan, is short for FANatic. And so we can get a little fanatical sometimes.

Just try and keep yourselves in check. Find the humor in shit that isnt life altering. This is only entertainment, so find the entertainment in it.

Very cool.  
I think that even though we obviously can't all agree -
that we can keep things in check with the right mixture of
respect and humour

the humour is basically built in
just add water... Uh, I mean respect  
and that includes respecting that, despite the element of humour,
that some fans actually care about what happens to and/or what is said about
the musicians/people they are fans of.  Doesn't mean they don't 'have a life'!
I know I do!  But, as a huge fan of Axl's, I care about how he is portrayed /
what is said about him and his work and the new band, etc.  
So if its "all about the music" for you - then that's fine - but respect the fact
that some people/fans care beyond the music.  

 

( sorry for quoting so much text )

[Buddha_Master]

Very cool.  
I think that even though we obviously can't all agree -
that we can keep things in check with the right mixture of
respect and humour

the humour is basically built in
just add water... Uh, I mean respect  
and that includes respecting that, despite the element of humour,
that some fans actually care about what happens to and/or what is said about
the musicians/people they are fans of.  Doesn't mean they don't 'have a life'!
I know I do!  But, as a huge fan of Axl's, I care about how he is portrayed /
what is said about him and his work and the new band, etc.  
So if its "all about the music" for you - then that's fine - but respect the fact
that some people/fans care beyond the music.  

 

( sorry for quoting so much text )

Shit its cool babe. Thats why I said what I said about being a fan (its in one of those quotes you put up). Im a fan too obviously, and my loyalties (however one wants to take that) is more with Axl, because I appreciate the change he is trying to do, and has sacrificed to do it. I think some look at that very one demensionally, and cant see what that can represent, musically (it is all too similar the revelation and changes the Beatles made (though theres was as a collective) and just Axl had this foresight. Shit, this isnt the place to get into it.

I guess what im saying is that of course I agree because its what I had just said (about being a fan).

I still dig Slash, but have to call things as I see it. Anyway, but some get so heated with the pointing fingers, that I think they need to chill out, and put this into perspective. But this is a GNR board, and last I checked Axl is still in the band finishing this bitch up. So when somone comes here with misguided anger and disdain for the man, this is certaintly the wrong place for it, and comes across as obnoxious. As I am sure going to a VR board and calling Slash a punk bitch would be there. Its innapropriate dialog to have with fans of the man.

That is something people need to recognize to. Its kind of annoying. Im just trying to do my thing, because its friday. And I got shit to do tomorrow.

[TK1]

Maybe it's possible that the truth lies between what Slash said and what some others, like Brian May, have said.  Is it totally impossible to imagine only two songs being finished?  I think it's very possible only two songs are completely, 100% finished.  Now, I'm sure there are vocals down on several tracks, but with the way Axl likes to add multiple layers to each song, then maybe he only has two songs completely finished and ready for CD.   And maybe he has others completely finished that are going on the second or third album.  Axl has mentioned before that they wrote songs with in the last couple of years that have pushed some previous ones down the list.  I never would have guessed in 1990 that much of the entire GN'R fan base would be this divided.  With all of this constant debating about Axl being an asshole and Slash being a liar, it's almost hard to believe that at one time we all supported them both and they were able to accomplish as much as they did...

[younggunner]

Booker, what year did Marco make those comments? I forgot...

Its no secret that there was a period of time in which there was no vocals on most of the tracks. Im curious to know when Marco said that.

I heard Chris Thompson talking about it in January or February that Axl was having trouble perfecting the vocals.

Can I see that quote. I never seen that before....
Theres a difference between perfecting vocals and not having vocals.

See, younggunner, this is the whole reason why Axl rants the way he does: to get people to think it's "cool."

If you think Axl Rose is ranting and saying stuff just to seem "cool" then you know jack shit about Axl.


Booker posted the exact dialougue. Its not liek Axl went on a cursing tirade towards Slash. But whatver this is a dead topic now so theres no point to go back and forth.

[madagas]

Youngun, Beltrami recorded or worked on the Gnr material in 2002! The interview was 11 months ago but he is talking about a release for the album in Sept 02..before the US Tour. Don't let Booker fool you. A little distortion...Booker, any comments? That is a fact. But, it also shows you the ludicrous amount of time it has taken to release this record.  

[Imfuckincrazy]

Booker, what year did Marco make those comments? I forgot...

Its no secret that there was a period of time in which there was no vocals on most of the tracks. Im curious to know when Marco said that.

2003.

Can I see that quote. I never seen that before....
Theres a difference between perfecting vocals and not having vocals.

It's just a rumor (Chris Thompson is a singer that I know) And yes, I know there's a difference... but he said that he was having a hard time with it... He said this after Christmas... no, I don't have a quote - because I was there, and I overheard him say it to a group of people...

If you think Axl Rose is ranting and saying stuff just to seem "cool" then you know jack shit about Axl.

Like Dizzy said, Axl really does give a shit about what they think because otherwise he wouldn't try to get people on his side.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

So why is it when slash tells a lie and says its a fact he does not have to answer for it?

That is what a message board is for no?


do you really think that you bitching about it on some message board is really gonna stick it to him or something? i dont understand how he's "answering for it" in any way by you calling him a liar? he doesnt even know who you are. nor would he care.

i dont understand why you feel personally compelled to bitch about him. i also like how you "cant be bothered" to look for any quotes where people start bashing axl after he said something bad about slash. where are the 20 page threads dude? the mystical land of narnia?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

"marco Beltrami: That was sort of just work for hire. I guess they'd heard
some of my orchestral music of mine. I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed.
They gave me four songs to orchestrate. A couple of them I did more than orchestrating, I actually wrote some melodies and stuff. It was a fun project. I really enjoyed it. The music was eclectic and at the time that I was doing it there were no lyrics on the songs that I was working on. People ask me about the album and I really have no idea about the release. I thought it was coming out last September. I'm the wrong person to ask about that. "


So because the few songs Axl had Marco work on had no vocal track on it means that axl only has 2 songs with vocals? How do you figure that?

[younggunner]

I say we just drop it. Who cares what SLash says. What he said really wasnt the thing that pissed me off. It was a whole other issue. But fuck it. Look how pathetic this thread is.
Back and forth everyone defending everyone. SO I say fuck it. Ill be a good lil soldier and let SLash say what he wants and at the end when GNR release the album ill have a nice lil smirk on my face.

[noizzynofuture]

Didn't slash say on the stern show that the last time he talked to axl was when he quit the band ?

Kind of a strong statement to say he knows for a fact about the vocals (i'm not sure the band knows how many finished songs there are).

In slash's defense, i don't think he ever goes out of his way to say anything bad about axl.  Sometimes when answering questions about the old band it's interpreted that he's saying something negative when he's just trying to give his point of view.

I've said it before, if during the period of 96 thru 2004, axl had gone to slash, duff and matt and said he was ready to put the bullshit aside, they would have jumped at the chance to put out a record.  i'm still not convinced, given VR's success, that they wouldn't still like to put GNR back together.  I think it's still the reason they hold back on their comments (aside from matt).   I don't think they want to burn their bridges and for the most part hold their tongue suprisingly well.

[Mikkamakka]

"marco Beltrami: That was sort of just work for hire. I guess they'd heard
some of my orchestral music of mine. I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed.
They gave me four songs to orchestrate. A couple of them I did more than orchestrating, I actually wrote some melodies and stuff. It was a fun project. I really enjoyed it. The music was eclectic and at the time that I was doing it there were no lyrics on the songs that I was working on. People ask me about the album and I really have no idea about the release. I thought it was coming out last September. I'm the wrong person to ask about that. "


So because the few songs Axl had Marco work on had no vocal track on it means that axl only has 2 songs with vocals? How do you figure that?

That weird logic again.
First, if Beltrami worked on songs without vocals, it wouldn't mean there are no finished tracks, nobody said that. It only means that there is no proof that they have cpmpleted songs. Maybe they have, but gave the incomplete ones to Beltrami, maybe they don't have completed songs, only a few.

Second. Like all of you can realize, English isn't my mother tongue. But what does 'couple' mean? As far as I know it can mean a pair, like 2 songs, and it can mean a few, like 6-8 songs. Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Third. I haven't heard the Brian May interview, but did he say he had heard finished tracks with vocals, or he said he heard an album worth of vocal melodies/ideas? It's not the same.

Fourth. I really wonder why the album hasn't finished. And if it was finished, why the hell it's not released? If Axl sometimes released at least a press release about the state of CD, there would be less bullshit about the album.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

"marco Beltrami: That was sort of just work for hire. I guess they'd heard
some of my orchestral music of mine. I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed.
They gave me four songs to orchestrate. A couple of them I did more than orchestrating, I actually wrote some melodies and stuff. It was a fun project. I really enjoyed it. The music was eclectic and at the time that I was doing it there were no lyrics on the songs that I was working on. People ask me about the album and I really have no idea about the release. I thought it was coming out last September. I'm the wrong person to ask about that. "


So because the few songs Axl had Marco work on had no vocal track on it means that axl only has 2 songs with vocals? How do you figure that?

Besides Axl not wanting his lyrics out. If he gave a song to Marco without lyrics wouldnt marco be able to interupt the song better and come up with better arrangements and melodies to fit. if the songs had lyrics and were 100 complete he wouldnt be able to contribute much. I think Axl gave him some "bare tracks" to see what he could work out.

[Man Of Soul]

I think slash is a great artist and everything but when it comes down to axl and his buisness,then who cares what he says.

[DeadHorse]

Here's my 2 cents worth.

Perhaps this information was made available to Slash and Duff through their lawsuit against Geffen/Universal; in regards to Geffen/Universal releasing the "Greatest Hits" album.

It's a known fact that Geffen/Universal released the album as a means to claw back some of the 13 million dollars that Mr. Rose has spent on his "yet" unreleased project.

Geffen/Universal needed some grounds to back up their case, maybe this tidbit of info was just that.

Again, this is spectulation. Nevertheless, I believe that for Slash to make a comment such as that, (and knowing that Rolling Stone mag would publish it) he must have some source of information.

Later,

Blair