The GH story, the IRS connection, the possible future..

[darknemus]

Let me preface this by saying dont take anything in this post to be the gospel.  Its nothing more than a retelling of information I've provided previously along with new information that was shared with me by a friend (I'm not using the word 'source' anymore - the guy's a PD of a rock station in Florida - the guy is a friend of mine - and the guy is alot more 'connected' than I'd ever be.)

Feel free to flame / bash when I'm done with this - I'd expect nothing less from the sometimes vitrolic HTGTH crowd

Alright, months ago, when IRS was leaked - I made some calls / sent some emails at the moment I heard about it.  My primary goal was obviously to score a copy of the track, not necessarily to garner anything approaching information.  

What I found out at the time I posted a bit about - that IRS was leaked as the beginning of a 'twisting the thumbscrews' on Axl & the gang by 'certain entities' in Interscope / Universal to kind of 'prod along' a CD release.  I got a lot more info on this at the time - but the most interesting thing was that there was more coming.  I was told 'the money people are irked - and when the money people get pissed, heads roll'

Bascially, when IRS showed up on Trunk's show - Sanctuary scrambled - they are the ones who pushed to get the off-the-air tapes locked in safes and kept out of the hands of others.  SUPPOSEDLY, some sort of agreement was struck between Sanctuary & Interscope (and, presumably, GNR) when the leak occured (well, when knowledge of it appeared) and that agreement is what led to the rapid disappearance of IRS from the auditory radar.

Fast foward to shortly before november - we get the info about the DVDs - we get the info about GH - and we hear that GNR is none too happy about either of them.  We get to the point that ads are run (or at least submitted for print) and cover art is generated for this disc.  Then, it all disappears - like, without a trace.  I posted at the time about a supposed agreement between GNR & Interscope to 'stop' the wheels turning on GH and allow the band 'X' amount of time to release (or hand over for release) CD.  Sensing a pattern here?

The time frames set forth in this agreement were, according to my friend (talk all the smack about the guy you want - but he knows people I only *wish* I knew) 'announce a release date by end of March, release by end of May'.  So here comes late January - and all of a sudden, it seems like things are happening.  Pilferk & I both hear, from different sources, that 'actions are iminent' - the assumption I think we both made was "wow, looks like we're gonna get a release date or a single or something".  I was told, specifically, "look for the date on GH to be pushed back - or to disappear alltogether.. if it does, then REAL NEWS is iminent".  Hell, even Mysteron sort of confirmed the stuff Pilferk and I had posted in that one thread saying something along the lines of "expect official news in the next several weeks" (and yes, I know I'm paraphrasing here.. and I aplogize if I've misquoted Mysteron)

I figured ok, Mysteron's info is probably a bit more solid than my own - or Pilferk's - but it still jives, in general.. "info coming soon".  

Then, according to an email I received last night, "all hell has truly broken loose"  I can't tell you everything the guy said to me - hell, most of it doesnt relate to any of this - but here's the jist.. from, again, what's being heard from people 'in the know' (and it could still very well be wrong.. hence the problem with third-party information)

GH is coming out (a big 'duh' on that one)
GNR have yet to turn over a 'final mix' of CD to Interscope.
RIO IV's lack of official confirmation is a big problem - looks to be some sort of money issue.. I dont know the details on it.
If Axl attempts to sue to stop GH's release from occuring, then details of the 'gentlemen's agreement' made between the band and the label will be made public.  basically, it'll turn into a big old mud slinging fest.
It is the opinion of some higher-ups at Universal that GH is a more 'marketable' product than CD.  This is mostly the 'Rock = a 1/2 dead genre' type of folks.. but they're still money people.
Once GH 'streets', expect 2-3 more leaks of IRS caliber.  probably to file sharing networks as opposed to 3 AM on some radio show on a Holiday.  This point is big - its the 3rd time I've heard (from two different people now) in the last 8 months that there is a huge desire to 'punish' Axl for all of these delays.  IRS was step one in that punishment.  GH is step two.  leaks are step three.  step four is 'cut our losses and just drop this failed project'

For the record, I hope that none of the above is true.  I would love nothing more than for a CD release date to be announced tomorrow - and this time, for some actual new material as opposed to some ugly GH disc.

Feel free to bash, flame, respond, post, inquire, or just discuss - I'm sure that I have maybe 10% of the story on this.  Unfortunately, right now, all signs are pointing to 'sinking ship' by my perception - I'd love to be wrong.. and I pray that I am.  because if Interscope drops GNR -we are ALL fucked - as in, we dont hear these tracks anytime short of ever, pretty much.

Oh well - the saga that is GNR continues... sigh.

-darknemus

[Mutherfunker]

Well there's a kick in the bollocks  

Although without rooting through Mysteron's posts, I'm sure some of that doesn't quite agree?

I hope this isn't all correct. Thanks for sharing anyway dark.

@#$%Muther

[misterID]

Your posts are always interesting Dark

I'm giving them 8 weeks before I send off the petition. I'm expecting to hear something official in this time... But if not, hell half no fury like a group of scorned, pissed off GNR fans.

[anarchy]

Sorry dark, I meant it as a joke, I didn't think you would take the email seriously.


EDIT: I'm joking about the email so I am. But dark is still lying to you all. Run! RUN! Before he takes your brains for his weird Pidgeon world!!  

[darknemus]

Sorry dark, I meant it as a joke, I didn't think you would take the email seriously.

  - Sorry - too bad Bush took the 'Sadaam has WMD - HAHA U R a L0ZeR!!11 U GAY OMFGLOL!' email from you seriously, too.

Btw, anarchy, I love you.  Not in a lets violate the laws of California State and get married sort of way, but still

-darknemus

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Sorry dark, I meant it as a joke, I didn't think you would take the email seriously.

Are you referring to the 'all hell breaks loose' email in dark's original post?  

If so, what kind of a horrible joke is that??  

I just hope the Money-guys at Interscope/Universal/blah  havent given up on CD - I wish they'd let the fans decide.. sigh..

[anarchy]

Sorry dark, I meant it as a joke, I didn't think you would take the email seriously.

  - Sorry - too bad Bush took the 'Sadaam has WMD - HAHA U R a L0ZeR!!11 U GAY OMFGLOL!' email from you seriously, too.

Btw, anarchy, I love you.  Not in a lets violate the laws of California State and get married sort of way, but still

-darknemus

I love you like a son dark.


Not a real son of course. Sort of an illegitimate bastard son that we allow to live in an outbuilding with the animals.

[Miz]

Sorry dark, I meant it as a joke, I didn't think you would take the email seriously.

[rofl]

[Acquiesce]

Unfortunately, this actually makes more sense than any rumor that we have been hearing lately.

[the dirt]

If leaks are set in motion to punish Axl, there is a bright side to it.

If the buzz about the songs is very good, Axl may be veered towards a state of confidence in his new material, and may actually release the thing sooner than we think, depending on how bitter he is towards the people responsible.
He'll of course say the songs weren't completely done, and the public will wonder and anticipate even better music. It will buils a buzz, without a doubt.

On the other side of the fence, if the general opinion is that the songs suck, he can still get away with salvaging his credibility as an artist who can still write killer tunes, because, again, they weren't done, and if they were, they (the songs) would have obviously been better.

If these leaks as punishment were to happen, it could be a blessing in disguise...

Very interesting stuff, dark

[Sukie]

Sorry dark, I meant it as a joke, I didn't think you would take the email seriously.

  - Sorry - too bad Bush took the 'Sadaam has WMD - HAHA U R a L0ZeR!!11 U GAY OMFGLOL!' email from you seriously, too.

Btw, anarchy, I love you.  Not in a lets violate the laws of California State and get married sort of way, but still

-darknemus

I love you like a son dark.


Not a real son of course. Sort of an illegitimate bastard son that we allow to live in an outbuilding with the animals.

Very funny guys...  Thanks for the humor...but try to couch it in a more "on topic" way.  

[Mutherfunker]

Weeeeellll... Mysteron said:

"Management are currently planning the details of release for CD. As of a couple of days ago, there was no release date for CD, it had not been decided. As it stands, they may finalise details next week (hypothetically speaking), and go public a few days after that. They could, however, finalise details in, say, three weeks, and go public a few days after that. The problem is is that I am not part of this planning process, so I do not know how close to finalising thing they are.......so, the fact is, I don't know when CD is going to be released, my opinion though is, something is due soon, but how soon, I don't know. If people ask me for my opinion. then I will give it"

I don't know what to believe. I can't wait to see what happens in the next couple of months.

@#$%muther

[darknemus]

Weeeeellll... Mysteron said:

"Management are currently planning the details of release for CD. As of a couple of days ago, there was no release date for CD, it had not been decided. As it stands, they may finalise details next week (hypothetically speaking), and go public a few days after that. They could, however, finalise details in, say, three weeks, and go public a few days after that. The problem is is that I am not part of this planning process, so I do not know how close to finalising thing they are.......so, the fact is, I don't know when CD is going to be released, my opinion though is, something is due soon, but how soon, I don't know. If people ask me for my opinion. then I will give it"

I don't know what to believe. I can't wait to see what happens in the next couple of months.

@#$%muther

I hope Mysteron's 100% on track on this.  I'd love it, in fact.  

-darknemus

[misterID]

The most logical explanation for the Greatest Hits:

Record Exec: Hey, since CD is coming out soon, how about we put together a Greatest Hits package... You know, double the profit of the people who don't own any of the old records.

That's a great idea Jim!

Gee, this GH cd could also get some buys from the VR release, too! That's tripple the money guys!

AXL: I'm trying to start a new era damn it! And I don't want to want to promote the old guys! Beta, cancel my hair appointment! get my lawyer on the phone. He's on speed dial!

[Mutherfunker]

The most logical explanation for the Greatest Hits:

Record Exec: Hey, since CD is coming out soon, how about we put together a Greatest Hits package... You know, double the profit of the people who don't own any of the old records.

That's a great idea Jim!

Gee, this GH cd could also get some buys from the VR release, too! That's tripple the money guys!

AXL: I'm trying to start a new era damn it! And I don't want to want to promote the old guys! Beta, cancel my hair appointment! get my lawyer on the phone. He's on speed dial!

Correctamundo  

@#$%Muther

[Acquiesce]

When did Mysteron post that? I must have missed it.

[anarchy]

The most logical explanation for the Greatest Hits:

Record Exec: Hey, since CD is coming out soon, how about we put together a Greatest Hits package... You know, double the profit of the people who don't own any of the old records.

That's a great idea Jim!

Gee, this GH cd could also get some buys from the VR release, too! That's tripple the money guys!

AXL: I'm trying to start a new era damn it! And I don't want to want to promote the old guys! Beta, cancel my hair appointment! get my lawyer on the phone. He's on speed dial!

We're on the same wavelength mID. 97.4FM Radio Wacko.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

When did Mysteron post that? I must have missed it.

Mysteron said pretty much that.

Look at the 'we're owed an explanation from a certain board insider aka Mysteron' thread started by D.  It's on Pg 2 since this board fills up fast with threads  

[Acquiesce]

Thanks! All these rumor threads are clogging up the boards.  

[badgirl]

dark, how does your info jive with the info i got that i know to be true, that the album is done, though i can't say for sure if its been handed over...