Slash says that Axl only has a couple of songs with vocals on it

[AxlFink]

does anyone know where i can download that boston promo... i cant find it on limewire

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

YG:  Almost every VR article I have read mentions not just old guns but new guns. Its pathetic.

----- thats a good point.  Sure talk about the old band - the breakup, etc.  But why talk about the new band, the material, Axl's appearance even.  

YG:  Sorum should shut the fuck up. He acts like he was a pivotal member of GNR. Im not saying hes not good but he has no right to say one word. He has no class.

-----Axl's done everything he can to screw him out of royalties.  Why doesn't he elaborate on this.  Thats a hell of accusation to make off the cuff.  Tell it to the judge, Matt.  Perhaps getting to fuck 18 year old girls everyday just because he was in GN'R makes up for it?

Although Slash changes his tune from time to time and basically lets SOrum do the talking atleast he doesnt run his mouth like SOrum does. If any has the right to run his mouth is SLash. Sorum should shut the fuck up.....

------Amen to that. Yep, that Matt - he's got huge balls  

YG:  Slash sys he doesn't know anything about it, etc,etc-  Yet he knows that they have only a handful of vocal tracks down...and ladies and gentlemen...HE KNOWS IT FOR A FACT.

-------That's what I totally don't get.  Slash said he knows it for a fact - He made a point of stating it as fact.  I don't want to hear that  "well, he musta meant something else..." or "he could be mistaken".. or "he might just be saying what he's heard.  He is saying that IT IS A FACT.  How the fuck does he know this FOR FACT.  Thats Slash for ya - like I have said before - he needs to learn to express himself better 'all things considered'.  


YG:  When Axl wants to disuss the past and his former friends and he says what he says...that rnr...not always bringing it up in a pussy way like sorum does or the way Slash and company always act like they are higher than Axl.   Its cool if you think you are...then say it straight up dont beat around the bush..... They should say it directly instead of sugar coating it.  If they're gonna say something, say it...instead of saying well ya know, bla bla bla....


------About Axl saying Slash and Duff can suck his dick; Slash is a liar;  Matt is an albatross - thats honesty for ya.  There is no pussyfooting around.  He says how he feels and YES there is something about that to be respected.  Statements such as the one Slash made just last week in the New York Post where he says he doesn't want to blame Axl - that Axl seems to be the scapegoat for everything... where he says he takes some of the blame but then turns around in his comments immediately and makes Axl the scapegoat with these words: "there is no one else to blame but Axl".[/u]  Now thats pussyfooting.

Why does he talk like this?  Can't he say that he had musical differences which he and Axl could not agree on so he didn't see any reason to stay.

Remeber what Axl said in the GN'R obline statement from August of 2002   "Slash chose not to be here over control issues. Now people can say 'Well Axl, you're after control of the band too.' You're damn skippy. That's right. I am the one held responsible since day one."
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Dave posted Brian May's quote:  "Oh yeah, there's a whole album of vocal parts. In fact, there's two albums worth that they've got there, at least. They played me everything. Axl actually sat down and made me listen to everything (laughs) and there's some wonderful stuff there"

Providman:  Now prove all those tracks really do exist.  You can't.
Jarmo:  Why don't you prove they don't exist?  Are you gonna quote Slash?

thats pretty funny - but oh so true - Thing is we there are far more things that support the theory that the album exists (yes - with vocals) than there is to the contrary.  The most oft cited arguement to the contrary being that it has not been released.  Just because it has yet to be released does not prove it doesn't exist.  I'd go with the fact that its existense has been reported by people who have worked on it in the studio, people that have heard it, the band members, and the record company and management, and Axl's hope to announce a release date soon, along with having heard live with my own ears songs that they wrote, as supporting my belief that it does indeed exist.
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Bottm Line:  As for Slash's knowing for fact -  if he does not know this for fact - then he is misrepresenting what he knows and stating something that is untrue (aka: lying).

[NickNasty]

Man.this is getting ugly. Look, it probaly is just Slash giving a rather 'colored' response to another GNR related question. Maybe Slash does want to move on, but as 1 part of the 2 main stars of GNR, the media never will let him....I still doubt he's right on this, but is an offhanded comment worth this much acrimony?

[Voodoochild]

Jonx - The boston promo was aired before the NA Tour starts. It reminds me how could The Blues has the ending solo in that promo before they played this part live? Of course, assuming it's soundboard and Booker is right.
So, to me it's more than enough proof.  

[Buddha_Master]

You know it has always been Axl's thing to talk shit and take names. Since when did Slash and Duff start acting like they were Axl anyway? They always seemed to play the role of the victims. Poor Slash and poor Duff....finally freed from Axl's evil Tyranny.

But whats this? Could it be that these two maybe aren't the innocent party after all? They sure seem to like talking a lot of shit don't they?

Man, I always had some respect for these two, because they played it cool, instead of the in your face go fuck yourself persona that Axl embodies. But they are all the same. Its just that Axl is better at it, because its just who he is. He is and always has been that which his innitials represent (W.A.R.). He's intense, and he is volatile. But Slash and Duff, are now doin the same thing, which seems odd. The only difference is, when Axl does it, inside I say "fuck yea!"...but when these two do it, I say "shut the fuck up."

I do hope Slash and Duff are enjoying there time in the limelight with this Velvet Revolver shindig. I do love rock music, and enjoy it for what it is. I think its funny that the best thing they did as a band is the cover to Pink Floyds "Money." It goes to show that Slash is at his best when he has a good song to do his thing with. Too bad Contraband doesn't have that special something that Money eluded too. Axl gave Slash kind of what Money did. A great canvas to work with. Unlike what he has obviously been given with these Contraband tracks.

This all makes me crazy for CD to be released so I can see Slash and Duff try to talk shit about that. And Axl can finally rest his foot right the fuck up their ass firmly right where it belongs.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

BM  I have been saying for years that slash and duff are not so innocent.

As for this vocal thing again.

Now, if Axl really does not want the songs to leak, maybe he has the vocal tracks on another DAT tape incase the songs do leak they have no vocals, but the lyrics and vocals ARE done since tommy said Axls singing is great on the album and the vocals are very deep.

So if there are no vocals done then how would tommy  know this?

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

does anyone know where i can download that boston promo... i cant find it on limewire

You can get the Boston promo at www.newgnr.com in the downloads section, or whatever its called over there.

[Imfuckincrazy]

You know it has always been Axl's thing to talk shit and take names. Since when did Slash and Duff start acting like they were Axl anyway? They always seemed to play the role of the victims. Poor Slash and poor Duff....finally freed from Axl's evil Tyranny.

But whats this? Could it be that these two maybe aren't the innocent party after all? They sure seem to like talking a lot of shit don't they?

Man, I always had some respect for these two, because they played it cool, instead of the in your face go fuck yourself persona that Axl embodies. But they are all the same. Its just that Axl is better at it, because its just who he is. He is and always has been that which his innitials represent (W.A.R.). He's intense, and he is volatile. But Slash and Duff, are now doin the same thing, which seems odd. The only difference is, when Axl does it, inside I say "fuck yea!"...but when these two do it, I say "shut the fuck up."

I do hope Slash and Duff are enjoying there time in the limelight with this Velvet Revolver shindig. I do love rock music, and enjoy it for what it is. I think its funny that the best thing they did as a band is the cover to Pink Floyds "Money." It goes to show that Slash is at his best when he has a good song to do his thing with. Too bad Contraband doesn't have that special something that Money eluded too. Axl gave Slash kind of what Money did. A great canvas to work with. Unlike what he has obviously been given with these Contraband tracks.

This all makes me crazy for CD to be released so I can see Slash and Duff try to talk shit about that. And Axl can finally rest his foot right the fuck up their ass firmly right where it belongs.

Oh okay. So it's okay if Axl talks shit, because he is better at it? Because "it's his thing"?

Funny.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

All he is saying is that Axl has always been that way, so its nothing new. Slash has now started acting like that, so its like he is trying to change to get more publicity.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

lets just say that those who believe Slash wouldn't knowingly make a false statement, are now bound by what Slash "knows for fact"

so... (according to what Slash "knows for fact") there are vocals on only a couple of tracks - as of June 16, 2004.

time will tell
and there won't be any denying when the time comes

[Izzy]

You know it has always been Axl's thing to talk shit and take names. Since when did Slash and Duff start acting like they were Axl anyway? They always seemed to play the role of the victims. Poor Slash and poor Duff....finally freed from Axl's evil Tyranny.

But whats this? Could it be that these two maybe aren't the innocent party after all? They sure seem to like talking a lot of shit don't they?

I know - Duff and Slash have always been portrayed as the victims, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that there are no saints connected with GNR.

U have to say there all as bad as each other - while i like to hear Slash's views on GNR if he is just going to bad mouth Axl  then maybe he should just stick to Velvet Revolver.

[AxlGunner]

why do some people here take what slash or matt say so personally?

you dont know them. you dont know axl. who are you to judge any of them so harshly? do you have no faults of your own that all you can do is criticize people you don't know (not only that, but criticize people who created music that you love)? what have they done to offend you so personally?

this thread is pathetic and it is nearly impossible to have a conversation with a rational, level-headed person on this board without some crazy person jumping in and causing controversy. a lot of you need to stop whining like a bunch of school girls over spilled milk. to an oustide observer you would be making a fool of yourself.

try going to this forum instead:

www.buymeadiaper.com

[NickNasty]

I know - Duff and Slash have always been portrayed as the victims, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that there are no saints connected with GNR.

The most intelligent thing said in this whole thread  

[AxlGunner]

lets just say that those who believe Slash wouldn't knowingly make a false statement, are now bound by what Slash "knows for fact"

so... (according to what Slash "knows for fact") there are vocals on only a couple of tracks - as of June 16, 2004.

time will tell
and there won't be any denying when the time comes

this is stupid. your logic doesnt make sense. if he didn't say "for fact", would it make any difference? no. you'd still be blaming him for saying "axl only has vocals on a couple tracks". the "for fact" part is implied in that sentence regardless of whether he states it or not. the point is, its what HE believes. a person can be wrong without being a LIAR.

for example:

axl said the album would be out a couple years ago, did he not? thus, he lied, right?

what about all the other band members who said they would be releasing the album at different points in time? were they liars, or did they believe something that wasnt true because they didn't have the appropriate facts necessary to come to the correct conclusion.

and dont turn this into a game of symantics, because there have been times when they have said it WILL be out at some point, without saying "hopefully" or "maybe".

Point is, i'm just trying to show how your logic makes no sense. they are not liars just as you cannot claim slash to be a "liar" because of his statement.

[Jonx]

I know - Duff and Slash have always been portrayed as the victims, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that there are no saints connected with GNR.

The most intelligent thing said in this whole thread  

Exactly. Legalities, people keep saying that Axl is clearing up the legalities, something is holding back the album stopping Axl putting it out. Could it be Slash!

[providman]

zzzzzzzz.... Providman, read my post again, I said nothing positive about Axl. As for Contraband, let's just say it has already been sold to my local used cd store. Listened to it, absobed it, got bored with it, and sold it. As for Axl, he's done nothing so I won't judge what I have not heard. I will say at least Slash does something. Better to try and be completely average, than to not try at all. As Bill the Butcher would say about you (Providman) and Contraband..."you are neither hot nor cold. Thus, I will spew you out of my mouth." The only known record I care about this year comes out next week.....Wilco "A Ghost Is Born"...

Alright madagas. we all got our insults in & as usual the point got lost somewhere in between. I too can't wait for AGIB(although I've been listening to it for the past 2-3 months on wilcoworld.net). I think Wilco is probably the best band out there right now. Did you see them on Letterman last night? They played Hummingbird(it was 'f'in awsome)

[madagas]

I missed Letterman, fell asleep, woke up at 1:05 pissed! Have not heard the record, chose not to download it and am getting very anxious. The reviews sound great. Tweedy is my boy. As for the topic at hand, Axl says shit about Slash, Slash says shit back....stereotypical  spoiled rock star bull shit. Who cares? This has been done so many times before. Waters vs Gilmour.....Jagger vs. Richards in the 80's etc etc etc. They all sound like idiots to me. Drivel.

[Mikkamakka]

Slash- a has been- has not been anywhere near the project since the day he realized he wasnt good enough for guns n roses and he left.  

Slash should keep his mouth shut, so should providman -

Maybe providman is Slash

Slash is a has-been? Guy, some people will really love you this board!

You surely like Finck's playing and it explains a lot of things.  

[Imfuckincrazy]

lets just say that those who believe Slash wouldn't knowingly make a false statement, are now bound by what Slash "knows for fact"

so... (according to what Slash "knows for fact") there are vocals on only a couple of tracks - as of June 16, 2004.

time will tell
and there won't be any denying when the time comes

this is stupid. your logic doesnt make sense. if he didn't say "for fact", would it make any difference? no. you'd still be blaming him for saying "axl only has vocals on a couple tracks". the "for fact" part is implied in that sentence regardless of whether he states it or not. the point is, its what HE believes. a person can be wrong without being a LIAR.

for example:

axl said the album would be out a couple years ago, did he not? thus, he lied, right?

what about all the other band members who said they would be releasing the album at different points in time? were they liars, or did they believe something that wasnt true because they didn't have the appropriate facts necessary to come to the correct conclusion.

and dont turn this into a game of symantics, because there have been times when they have said it WILL be out at some point, without saying "hopefully" or "maybe".

Point is, i'm just trying to show how your logic makes no sense. they are not liars just as you cannot claim slash to be a "liar" because of his statement.

Exactly. I don't know why people are so sensititive to automatically call him a liar, as if he knows the truth and is denying that Axl has more vocal recordings. WHY would he lie about it? What would the point be? I would hardly call this "talking shit" either, but of course, as always, people are making him out to be the bad guy and trying to defend Axl - over nothing. I don't think Slash meant that to talk shit.

Buddha_Master said they (Slash, Duff, and Matt) like to play the role of victims - but Axl doesn't? He does, he just has childish ways of "defending" himself, such as throwing temper tantrums and saying things like "suck my dick" and blaming everyone but himself.

[younggunner]

axl says , suck  my dick, your a liar, your an albotross, your albums suck, ect ect ect/////who is badmouthing who?


wow, some of you are just blind.

He did not want to do that or put himself through the rigors of taking the band to that level even if he was capable of writing it. Was he capable of doing it? Absolutely 100%. I think that some of the riffs that were coming out of him were the meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith?s Rocks. The 2000 version of Aerosmith Rocks or the 1996 Aerosmith Rocks by the time we would have put it out
It?s not something I would want to approach (without Slash) because at the time there was only one person that I knew who could do certain riffs that way.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from the alumni in regard to their prior performances on record or touring to support the albums.

I guess you forgot to mention all that.


As for the whole topic. Ive said this a million times. Both Axl and Slash are at fault for GNRs breakup. They both were too stubborn with each other....now fast foward to what we have today....

Slash can talk about old GNR all he wants. More power to him, and he has that right to do so. But when he continuosly says shit about Axl and the new band he is a pussy. Flat out pussy.

Slash, if you think this new band is gay...say it...dont say some sugar coated shit. Say whats on your mind otherwise dont say anything. Tell you interviewer not to bring up Axl or GNr the way Axl requests in his interviews.

 And please dont go on Howard Stern and say you could give 2 shits about Axl or gnr{despite you wanting to go see them at vegas} and then a few weeks later say Oh Axl doesnt even have vocals on tracks...and state it as fact....shut the fuck up and go work on your follow up....

If you look at all of the Slash vs Axl debates we have...where do they originate from? Mostly from when Slash opens his mouth and changes his story over the years. Axl has layed low.
Slash has been arguing against himself all of these years and he is looking like an ass.

Aside from a few concert rants he has said nothing negative toward the old band. It is what it is....OVER.... something Axl has moved on from years ago and obiviously Slash and company hasnt...but whatevr....

God forbid Axl has indeed created an album close to or surpassing AFD or the Illusions....Time will tell...and as this saga has gone on... although Axl is by no means an angel, I have grown to appreciate him even more....now just release it motherfucker/....