4 Reasons Not to Bother to Wait for W. Axl Rose

[Dizzy]

Also I can tell you that only one entity will know the truth about the separation of the group that everybody fall in love at first. Who is it? God.

Are you trying to insinuate your religion upon us?  

[younggunner]

to dizzy:
what are legit reasons to bash axl?

it all comes down to this..fans like you or whoever cant get over the fact that you have to wait for a fukin album. that its ur right to get this album when you want it. sorry to say but thats not the case. when their is an OFFICIAL release date and that date comes and soemthing happens then you have every right to feel like you have been betrayed or whatever. but until that day comes you cant say shit.
u are all pissed that there is no communication. and to a certain extent i agree. it would be cool for axl to communicate with us. but what do you want him to say? he has said in interviews that evrything will be answered when the time is right and when the albums come out. if u want him to commen ton every fukin rumor us nuts and stupid. the reason gnr is somewhat of a laughing stock is because of the fans. they are the ones who fukin make these elaborate rumors and that shit circulates into the press then when the press print it it gets analyzed a 100x over at the boards and every1 things its true...hence a negative thoguht about axl....

u all are mad taht axl wears bike shorts because theres no album yet. well guess what tough fukin luck...wait it out. this album is only a few years in the making.with many years of building osmething up...the monstrosity is almost here. and will blow ur mind away..
man i cant wait for u people to fukin go crazy over this album and just show u that axl is a very smart man ....and that this new era is just as creative as the old...and im not into the old vs new...thats gay...the old was fukin great. butits over. now we have the new...and let THE FUKIN MUSIC SPEAK FOR ITSELF. if it sux fine, then we know the answer..but dont fukin put down this band because u wanna see slash drink jack and coke who the fuck cares its not happening

[mr_yoshimaroka]

The only thing this new band has done right was the mini-tour in Europe and Asia... Their NA tour was a disaster, their MTV performance bombed, they havent released any music (which was promised several times), and half of their new songs are fuckin garbage (Silkworms? Oh My God? Spare me.)

Slash said it best "He had two options, come out and prove everyone wrong, or screw it up, and he screwed it up..."

I know that when someone chooses a side on this issue, there's no way to change their mind... these are always 'imo' threads...

Besides MGS and Philly being being sold out, there were a handful of arenas close to max capacity. The Toronto show (which i attended) had 14000+ out of a possible 16 000. London Ontario had (if i'm not mistaken) 9 000 out of a possible 9 000. Boston was packed, what about Chicago?
Shakira(who performed at the same VMAs by the way) was at the ACC venue in Toronto the night before GnR and managed to pull 3 000. The tour was seen as a failure because the tickets sales live up to old GnR expectations. They still managed to sell more tickets in arenas on average than a whole lot other acts(check out pollstar). For being out of the lime light for 10 years, Axl screwing up the VMAs, the rest the band gone, not much promo for a band with the GnR name(especially a comeback tour), questionable attendance of Axl to any actual show(because of Vancouver)and not to mention the occasional riot, ticket sales were pretty f*cking good.

Silkworms is your opinion, i think it's greater than a load of GnR songs... In My Opinion. If you prefer the old stuff, well then hang on to it cuz wether we like it or not, we ain't ever going to hear that kind of music again in our lives. If you do hold on to it dearly, nothing will measure up to it. Not VR, not newGnR. It's a past now gone forever.

[providman]

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

[D]

listen im a huge axl supporter but im not so blinded that i defend and have an answer for everything he does. when axl is wrong i post it, if he is awesome i rave on him, im not a blind follower so sue me!

i have a ton of gnr bootlegs and axl looks bored, im sorry new gnr worshippers but axl looks like he would rather be doing any fuckin thing then being on stage, u think this is what axl use to talk about on the illusion tour?

remember how he said would u rather me start at 11:30 and give a kick ass show or start on time or close to ontime and play like shit. axl was going thru the motions, watch tokyo watch msg anyone who thinks msg was better gets my applause cause u are truly a gnr fanatic. i give axl props where props may lie but the energy at tokyo was unbelievable that my friends was a gelled, monstrosity machine of a band, MSG was nice, axl sung well the music was on point but the chemistry is undeniably lower.

how come no one mentions axl leaving the stage during tokyo and the illusion tour? but msg every poster says "why does axl leave the stage alot"? the truth is axl has always pretty much done this its just before everyone was so focused on slash runnin around rippin off his solo's that they didnt notice axl gone. now when axl leaves everyone is like "huh"? MSG seemed so amazing simply cause it was sold out and was so much better than the subpar 2002 other shows that it seemed kicked ass but compared to old tours it was sorely lackin in energy, charisma and chemistry.


Dizzy i see your point about VR i just wish axl would focus on new stuff and let AFD rest in piece, i can see playin wttj,pc,scom, maybe rocket queen but playinthe whole cd needs to never happen again.

ive stated in many threads i dont wanna hear scott weiland singing gnr songs i really dont wanna see bucket,robin,richard,tommy etc playin old gunner material it just seems sort of weird

[D]

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

well provid i have an easy answer for this one, the internet! if axl played every new song on the tour then everyone of us would have chinese democracy months in advance, he knows this tis why we only got a few of the filler tracks, thats what keeps me motivated, if the blues, maddy,c.d. are filler then i think we are truly infor something special!

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging, chris cornell was doing his solo thing which was a much smaller scale then the long awaited chinese democracy

see my philly thread im almost sure i could be right, axl was gonna start the first leg if it did well do another leg and release the cd in the middle of the tour, he got cold feet pulled out of philly cause that was the only way to stop the machine. so he sort of burned the village to save it.

[providman]

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

well provid i have an easy answer for this one, the internet! if axl played every new song on the tour then everyone of us would have chinese democracy months in advance, he knows this tis why we only got a few of the filler tracks, thats what keeps me motivated, if the blues, maddy,c.d. are filler then i think we are truly infor something special!

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging, chris cornell was doing his solo thing which was a much smaller scale then the long awaited chinese democracy

see my philly thread im almost sure i could be right, axl was gonna start the first leg if it did well do another leg and release the cd in the middle of the tour, he got cold feet pulled out of philly cause that was the only way to stop the machine. so he sort of burned the village to save it.

Yea D, I know that's the answer, I was just responding to a post which stated that the reason he didn't play more new material was because no one knew it. I think it just shows that the whole tour was really, really poorly thought out, & if Axl is really all about the art & not the commerce(yea, I know it's pie in the sky thinking), he would've put his art out there because thats what artists do, & whatever happens, happens.

[yagami1gnr]

Also I can tell you that only one entity will know the truth about the separation of the group that everybody fall in love at first. Who is it? God.

Are you trying to insinuate your religion upon us?  

   

Not really, even though I'm catholic, I'm not too much into religion.
Regarding that comment, I was only trying to say that  when I saw Van Halen's Behind the music the guitarrists were saying something and the singers were saying other thing in respect when they were "fired" or something alike.

Like I said you cannot blame everything to someone, because you don't know anything.

Anyway regarding the point if Axl should release cd. I hope is soon, otherwise I just have to continue living my life without hearing "digestable music."

 

[Crashdiet]

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

well provid i have an easy answer for this one, the internet! if axl played every new song on the tour then everyone of us would have chinese democracy months in advance, he knows this tis why we only got a few of the filler tracks, thats what keeps me motivated, if the blues, maddy,c.d. are filler then i think we are truly infor something special!

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging, chris cornell was doing his solo thing which was a much smaller scale then the long awaited chinese democracy

see my philly thread im almost sure i could be right, axl was gonna start the first leg if it did well do another leg and release the cd in the middle of the tour, he got cold feet pulled out of philly cause that was the only way to stop the machine. so he sort of burned the village to save it.

Yea D, I know that's the answer, I was just responding to a post which stated that the reason he didn't play more new material was because no one knew it. I think it just shows that the whole tour was really, really poorly thought out, & if Axl is really all about the art & not the commerce(yea, I know it's pie in the sky thinking), he would've put his art out there because thats what artists do, & whatever happens, happens.

GNR and axl are on a totally different level than ozzy was back then, or than chris cornell is now.... ozzy barely even had a record contract and he was dating the daughter of the president (or something like that)

Gnr are held to a high standard, and axl simply wants the new tunes to be heard properly in the format he has worked on for like5 years.

He doesn't want to be pre-judged on some shitty as live bootleg with some jack ass screaming "AXLLLLLLL" throughout the recording.

I'm a songwriter myself ,and when writing a song I never show anyone the song until i'm completely satisfied because I don't want the 1st impression to be lost when my work isn't completed....

This isn't 1982, and chris cornell doesn't have the standard of which will be held at.

Get over it... if you don't want to wait for CD then why are you here??

[providman]

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

well provid i have an easy answer for this one, the internet! if axl played every new song on the tour then everyone of us would have chinese democracy months in advance, he knows this tis why we only got a few of the filler tracks, thats what keeps me motivated, if the blues, maddy,c.d. are filler then i think we are truly infor something special!

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging, chris cornell was doing his solo thing which was a much smaller scale then the long awaited chinese democracy

see my philly thread im almost sure i could be right, axl was gonna start the first leg if it did well do another leg and release the cd in the middle of the tour, he got cold feet pulled out of philly cause that was the only way to stop the machine. so he sort of burned the village to save it.

Yea D, I know that's the answer, I was just responding to a post which stated that the reason he didn't play more new material was because no one knew it. I think it just shows that the whole tour was really, really poorly thought out, & if Axl is really all about the art & not the commerce(yea, I know it's pie in the sky thinking), he would've put his art out there because thats what artists do, & whatever happens, happens.

GNR and axl are on a totally different level than ozzy was back then, or than chris cornell is now.... ozzy barely even had a record contract and he was dating the daughter of the president (or something like that)

Gnr are held to a high standard, and axl simply wants the new tunes to be heard properly in the format he has worked on for like5 years.

He doesn't want to be pre-judged on some shitty as live bootleg with some jack ass screaming "AXLLLLLLL" throughout the recording.

I'm a songwriter myself ,and when writing a song I never show anyone the song until i'm completely satisfied because I don't want the 1st impression to be lost when my work isn't completed....

This isn't 1982, and chris cornell doesn't have the standard of which will be held at.

Get over it... if you don't want to wait for CD then why are you here??

Dude, you're all over the place, contradicting yourself. Pick an argument & stick with it.  First you say it's not about nostalgia when they play 80% old stuff with the old name , to boot, then you say they shouldn't play new stuff because no one knows the new stuff, & that would be a bad way to break in the new band, then you say well, the new stuff isn't ready, THAT'S why he wouldn't play it. Whatever. It seems what your REAL argument is  is ""don't say anything negative about Axl. Axl can do no wrong in my eyes & I'll defend him no matter what. Logic be dammed."

And PLEASE, stop making Axl out to be something he's not. He's just a singer in a rock n roll band. He's not on some higher level and he's certainly NOT held to a higher standard. Reading some of the posters here, the exact opposite seems to be true. He can do(or not do) ANYTHING & it would be alright with you & your ilk. Just trying to bring some common sense here.

And if my topics bother you so much, don't read them. Start your own topic on how GREAT Axl and the new GnR is & the only replies can be "yea, he rocks, yea he's cool, yea he's great, yea, he's a genius, yea he's the bestest of the bestest & tell me that would be better than  & more interesting than a post which challenges people to THINK and RESPOND, & keep things INTERESTING.

[mortismurphy]

Leaving the name issue aside (which i fundermentally disagree with) the only thing that Axl has done that's been right was....

Vegas + Rio 3

Between both shows it was exiting time which gave the world (at least the bootlegged world) 2 great songs (Madagasger a The Blues) and which proved gn'r could play the afd songs pretty good...it was a great warm up.

Since then they have failed to be exiting and challaging..offering the promised album with the said songs.
The tour: the setlists were boring...just the same jingled appetite album with madagasger a the blues added. + it was cancelled with no explanation.

Rio 3 was the warm up, the album should have followed.

[Rebecca Duff Rose]

I don't care bout ya 4 flamin reasons....
We've waited 10 years for a new album... n' WE WILL GET IT!
Axl won't let me down or any of his True supporters!!!
Understand???
It will be released soon... just have a little patience!
For crying out loud!!!
I'm sick of hearing people slagging Axl off, talking bout his looks, his voice, his new band....
just SHUT UP!!!!!!!! {N' that is a clean version 2, esp. for /Jarmo!}
Anyway, would you guys like it if you got slagged off DAY IN, DAY OUT???
Eh? Would you? I don't think you would!! I know i wouldn't!!
JUST LEAVE AXL ALONE!!!! EVERYONE!!!

{i could go on, but i won't!}

[pilferk]

" The average amount of tickets sold was 7,344, in venues that seated 18,000-20,000 people."

Just a point of correction: The maximum attendance figure in the above sentence is for SPORTING events, NOT end stage concerts.  With end stage setup (remember, they don't sell the seats behind the stage), that figure drops to 13,000 to 16,000 and those were the BIG arenas.  If you look at all the arenas, maximum attendance possible for end stage set up ranges were from about 10k to 16k. Of course, that still doesn't forgive the relatively anemic average # of tickets sold, but it certainly reduces the severity.

[Crashdiet]

4 reasons why your wrong crashdiet:

1.This has nothing to do with nostalgia. Axl calling his new band GnR & going on tour playing 80% old GnR is all nostalgia. It's funny you don't see this.

2.This has nothing to do with the old members. Why do you have to slam them to make yourself feel better about Axl?

3.Yea, right. The GnR name sold out MSG, not Axl Rose.  Believe me, if it was the Axl Rose Band, which, if he had any guts or integrity it would be, it would have been half empty like just about every other show on that most half-assed of tours.

4.Yea, the new songs, some of them anyway, are really good. Too bad they'll never be released.

 

1) What axl was going to go on tour and play all new stuff that nobody knew... not exactly the best way to break in the new band. Axl played old songs to show that "the new band can play the fuck outta the old songs"

Why the hell not? If he had any balls, that's exactly what he would've done. If his new material was supposed to be so spectacular, why not showcase it?  I saw Ozzy at the Capitol theater in Passaic NJ about 2 weeks before his first Blizzard of Oz album with Randy Rhodes was released. We had never heard ANY of his new songs, we didn't know what to expect, we never heard of Randy Rhodes, no one at the time did, all we knew was that Ozzy had a new band, lets go check them out. Needless to say, they absolutely KICKED FUCKING ASS and blew every single fucker who was there away that night playing songs NO ONE KNEW, save for the 2 or 3 Sabbath songs they played that night. The rest obviously is history. Ozzy could've taken the safe, easy, familiar route & played nothing but Sabbath songs & I'm sure everyone would've still said it was great. But he showed us how a true artist goes about re-building a career, Axl would do well to emulate him, or should I say would've done well if he tried to emulate him.

Same with Chris Cornell. I saw him at the Town Hall Theatre in NYC about a month before Euphoria Morning came out & again, no one knew anything  he played  save for 2 or 3 older tunes he played & he still kicked ass. So what if the album wasn't a huge hit, he had the courage of his convictions to try to grow as an artist & put his stuff out there & let the chips fall where they may.

So to answer your question, YES, he should have gone on tour & played all the new stuff nobody knows. The album wasn't ready to be released yet? Well, maybe Axl's not the genius some of you make him out to be and the whole tour was just not really thought out.

well provid i have an easy answer for this one, the internet! if axl played every new song on the tour then everyone of us would have chinese democracy months in advance, he knows this tis why we only got a few of the filler tracks, thats what keeps me motivated, if the blues, maddy,c.d. are filler then i think we are truly infor something special!

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging, chris cornell was doing his solo thing which was a much smaller scale then the long awaited chinese democracy

see my philly thread im almost sure i could be right, axl was gonna start the first leg if it did well do another leg and release the cd in the middle of the tour, he got cold feet pulled out of philly cause that was the only way to stop the machine. so he sort of burned the village to save it.

Yea D, I know that's the answer, I was just responding to a post which stated that the reason he didn't play more new material was because no one knew it. I think it just shows that the whole tour was really, really poorly thought out, & if Axl is really all about the art & not the commerce(yea, I know it's pie in the sky thinking), he would've put his art out there because thats what artists do, & whatever happens, happens.

GNR and axl are on a totally different level than ozzy was back then, or than chris cornell is now.... ozzy barely even had a record contract and he was dating the daughter of the president (or something like that)

Gnr are held to a high standard, and axl simply wants the new tunes to be heard properly in the format he has worked on for like5 years.

He doesn't want to be pre-judged on some shitty as live bootleg with some jack ass screaming "AXLLLLLLL" throughout the recording.

I'm a songwriter myself ,and when writing a song I never show anyone the song until i'm completely satisfied because I don't want the 1st impression to be lost when my work isn't completed....

This isn't 1982, and chris cornell doesn't have the standard of which will be held at.

Get over it... if you don't want to wait for CD then why are you here??

Dude, you're all over the place, contradicting yourself. Pick an argument & stick with it.  First you say it's not about nostalgia when they play 80% old stuff with the old name , to boot, then you say they shouldn't play new stuff because no one knows the new stuff, & that would be a bad way to break in the new band, then you say well, the new stuff isn't ready, THAT'S why he wouldn't play it. Whatever. It seems what your REAL argument is  is ""don't say anything negative about Axl. Axl can do no wrong in my eyes & I'll defend him no matter what. Logic be dammed."

And PLEASE, stop making Axl out to be something he's not. He's just a singer in a rock n roll band. He's not on some higher level and he's certainly NOT held to a higher standard. Reading some of the posters here, the exact opposite seems to be true. He can do(or not do) ANYTHING & it would be alright with you & your ilk. Just trying to bring some common sense here.

And if my topics bother you so much, don't read them. Start your own topic on how GREAT Axl and the new GnR is & the only replies can be "yea, he rocks, yea he's cool, yea he's great, yea, he's a genius, yea he's the bestest of the bestest & tell me that would be better than  & more interesting than a post which challenges people to THINK and RESPOND, & keep things INTERESTING.

Well if my arguements are so weak why aren't you addressing them...
you've left out the internet bootleg arguement, and how axl wants people to hear the new songs as they should, not on a shitty bootlegg

My whole point about nostalga is addressing the fact many people want gnr to be what they used to be... I say get over it...

ya they play mostly old tunes on the last tour but to quote axl "isn't that the point" your not going to try and reclaim your fans off the get go with new songs no one has heard... it doesn't make good sense, because obviously the new tunes of are a higher complexity and will take a few listens to get into.

If you think that axl isn't at a higher standard than anyone else... well your dreamin... go listen to new (and I use that term losely) ac/dc or something...

whatever... obviously your here at the forums posting... so your waiting just like the rest of us..

rock n roll

[jarmo]

Just an off topic question: What the hell are you replying to? That huge quote is confusing.....  

Please try to only quote the actual part or post your replying to. That tip is for everybody.



/jarmo

[Dizzy]

to dizzy:
what are legit reasons to bash axl?

Virtually every damn reason given on this thread on elsewhere on the forums.  But there is no legitimate reason in your mind.  Anybody who makes a statement such as "Axl's a dick, but so what?" obviously cannot be reasoned with.

sorry to say but thats not the case. when their is an OFFICIAL release date and that date comes and soemthing happens then you have every right to feel like you have been betrayed or whatever. but until that day comes you cant say shit.

Yes we can.  We can say shit about the way Axl strings us along, leading everyone to believe he's going to deliver something big, and then disappearing at the peak of interest.

the reason gnr is somewhat of a laughing stock is because of the fans.

*sigh*  Now that Slash and Duff aren't there to blame for Axl's bullshit, you resort to blaming the fans.  Sad.  


u all are mad taht axl wears bike shorts because theres no album yet. well guess what tough fukin luck...wait it out. this album is only a few years in the making.with many years of building osmething up...the monstrosity is almost here. and will blow ur mind away.

Wow, make sure you lend me that crystal ball when you're done with it.  I want to see who will win the Super Bowl this year so I can bet on it in advance.

man i cant wait for u people to fukin go crazy over this album  

Tough shit.  As you said, you're going to have to wait.  And wait.  And wait.  And wait.  And wait.

the old was fukin great. butits over. now we have the new...and let THE FUKIN MUSIC SPEAK FOR ITSELF.

What music?  If Axl actually released music, we'd have something that spoke for itself.  Now all we have are Axl's shenanigans, which definitely speak for themselves.

if it sux fine

But according to psychic you, it will blow us all to Mars and back.

ozzy didnt have to worry bout bootlegging,

He may not have worried about it, but it existed.  I have a bootleg CD of Ozzy's very first solo show, performed on September 12, 1980.  I also have many other Ozzy bootlegs which took place before an album's release, and thus contained unheard songs.  Axl isn't the first to have to worry about bootlegging, though I will give you that the internet didn't exist when Ozzy was playing.  But plenty of other bands get out there and play new songs before their album is released.

My whole point about nostalga is addressing the fact many people want gnr to be what they used to be... I say get over it...

ya they play mostly old tunes on the last tour but to quote axl "isn't that the point" you're not going to try and reclaim your fans off the get go with new songs no one has heard...

Contradiction.  If Axl is trying to "reclaim" fans (meaning fans of the old lineup, than he is the one trying to live off the GNR of old.

whatever... obviously you're here at the forums posting... so you're waiting just like the rest of us..

Not me.  I come here to discuss my favorite rock n roll band, Guns N Roses, the real Guns N Roses.  The only reason I post on these type of threads is because it's amusing to see people swearing up and down that Axl will deliver the album soon, and how it will kick ass....and then have to eat their words as the months and years continue to pass.  

[younggunner]

actually what you are doing is being a dick...i can care less if u hate new gnr..i repsect u love old gnr i love them too...but i dont fukin diss the old cause i like the new...u diss the new cause u cant get over the fact that the old is over

all ur animosity stems from 2 things:
no album release and no fan communication

and when i said axls a dick at times but so what i mean that yea at times he does stupid things...such as cancelling a tour and not telling us what happened...but its not the end of the world. if u think hes a dick cause he shows up late or sometimes doesnt show well, thats up to u...u know he shows up late thats his thing...he has been doing that since the start...as for the no shows,yes u are right thats dick. but the reason it can slide is simply he is a musical geniuos...im sorry u cant get over the fact that gnr lives on without slash,duff and izzy....and dont get me wrong i love them especially izzy...but i have realized that era is over and a new era of gnr is ready to reclaim the top spot once again...

the music will speak for itself...until then shut the fuck up...dont bash this new band because of no album.thats not right. so go wathc some old tapes and go whack off to slash smokin a cig on stage cause its so badass...peaceout homefuk

[Eazy E]

Silkworms is your opinion, i think it's greater than a load of GnR songs... In My Opinion. If you prefer the old stuff, well then hang on to it cuz wether we like it or not, we ain't ever going to hear that kind of music again in our lives. If you do hold on to it dearly, nothing will measure up to it. Not VR, not newGnR. It's a past now gone forever.

Well you know what... if you think that a song like Silkworms is on the same level as the old GN'Rs stuff, you are a VERY small minority, and that opinion is probably swayed by the fact that it's your favourite band.  Were Limp Bizkit or something to release that song, you would be more likely to say "That's why they suck so much".....

Anyways, if the new GN'R's music isn't as quality as the old band, then I will agree 100 fucking percent with the people that say Axl should've changed the band name.  If he puts out an album full of shitty songs like Silkworms and Oh My God, then he will fucking ruin the name Guns N' Roses.  That'll probably even sour me on the old stuff because the band will be kinda tainted.  Slash and Duff already see this, they've said they won't do a GN'R reunion because Axl's already ruined the name... I'm waiting for the album.... which bring's us to why Axl's an asshole.... you say "he doesn't owe us anything".... then he shouldn't fucking promise it.  Every single band member has said the album would be out this year, and it's not.

[Eazy E]

the music will speak for itself...until then shut the fuck up...dont bash this new band because of no album.thats not right. so go wathc some old tapes and go whack off to slash smokin a cig on stage cause its so badass...peaceout homefuk

You don't fucking know that.  Why don't you go whack off to the album you don't have??.... and if you think that music you haven't heard will "speak for itself", take a look at the "new" songs.  Madagascar, The Blues are great, CD is average... the rest are worthless.  If you think the world is going to embrace Guns N' Roses with shit like Oh My God, have fun.

The only thing Axl has done with the "New GN'R" which you claim will be on top of the music world, is make Guns N' Roses look like a joke.  I like the new band and see huge potential, but Axl is doing everything wrong.

I will buy the album when it comes out, and I think Axl can do good... but if he keeps pulling this shit like his lame ass tours and not speaking to the fans (and lying when he does), then he can invite the 2 people on this board that like his new shit over to his house and play for them.  No one else wants this bullshit.
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"These are dates that I have personally approved and for better or worse, we'll be there." - Axl Rose about Guns N' Roses tour.  

"We'll be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs." - Axl Rose at Rio.  

"When will we see Chinese Democracy?" - Radio Station
"Sometime in the next year." - Axl Rose 2002  

"Stay Tuned for news and information on Chinese Democracy coming soon." - Gn'R website.  

[Layne420]

 First off, I don't know where in writing that said  axl promised that the cd would be out.. I always assume he hoped... I could be wrong anyway I think dizzy Reed sums up this topic...

 There will be some fans out there who will hate us for what we are doing... we can't please everyone...

 Also how can some  people get upset about the tour being canceled.. when  ever did the old guns n roses not screw up a tour???  Some are acting like it's all axl fault but everyone including myself don't know what is really going on. Almost all the posting that is being said is from  assuming that axl has been doing this and he has been doing that . Yeah one could say he should change the gnr name  but why should axl listen to some one like me...  It seems to me some just can't realize that axl is probably not going to do anything with slash, duffy, izzy, ect and the thing that makes this new band so great is axl singing..

im out......