Slash says that Axl only has a couple of songs with vocals on it

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

As I recall, I dont remember Axl telling anyone from the old band to "suck his dick" on the 2002 tour. All he would say is that they didnt want to work on certain songs, and Axl had to kind of force them to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong, tell which shows he said "suck my dick Slash."

PS: Once he said that Slash is in his ass, but that was b/c someone was annoying him with a sign.

[younggunner]

That's what people like to think. People like to twist his words around to make him out to be the bad guy, and give their own interpretations of what he says. But he said that he blames himself as well, and that no one wants to blame Axl. You can take that any way you want to. Of course Slash is going to have his own side of the story, and he gives it, but he does it without name calling and he doesn't try to get the fans to "choose sides."

Im not just going on what he has recently said. Lets not forget there are a million slash interviews out there.

Oh, so because Axl is a frontman, he has the right to throw tantrums and call people names?

Welcome To THe Jungle baby......

If I ever went to see GNR live, it wouldn't be to hear the rants and negative comments about Slash.  

Of course not. Because Axl doesnt rant about Slash every 5 seconds like your making it out to be. He ranted a handful of times on the last tour baout him. Each time no more than a minute. Hes not siting down and giving lectures on SLash, so relax.
And when hes not giving rants, he showing you why hes the worlds greatest frontman.

As Dizzy said, all the rants such as "suck my dick" do not prove anything or explain his side of the story. He is just trying to get the audience to take his side.

This new thoery that you guys have been throwing around is funny as hell. First off by Axl curising doesnt mean hes trying to explain his side of the story. HE just calling him a dick, nothing more nothing less.
Please stop with this bullshit manipulating audience thing.

Slash never implied that he gives a shit about the state of Chinese Democracy and I'm sure he didn't go out of his way to find this out. He probably heard about it, was asked about it, and answered.

He went out of his way to say it in an interview and state it as fact. WHich contradicts hiw whole "i could give 2 shits about what Axl is doing with that band of his" attitude.

[Mutherfunker]

It is a fairly pointless exercise trying to analyse everything, you know - why certain people said certain stuff, acted in certain ways, etc.

The way I see it, I can't tell what Slash thinks about any of this or Axl, because one second he's saying bad thing about Axl, then he's stopping a crown chant against Axl, then he's commenting on CD, then he's trying not to get involved in the issue, then he's happy to comment on the issue....

I think both have their side to say, and as far as I'm concerned they can say it. Be honest. Axl comes out and he says exactly what he thinks of Slash/old members. I haven't a clue what Slash thinks. If he wants to come out and say "fuck Axl" or "Axl's a joke" or whatever, then that's fine with me too.

Maybe Slash is trying to be the better man, rise above name calling, etc. That's fine if you're gonna do it properly and not comment at all, but when he still lets comments slip out here and there, it seems like he wants to look the better man, but still wants to get snide digs in on Axl.

It could be he's really trying not to comment on it, and honestly doesn't want to cause friction, but it's understandable why people might think he's being two-faced.

You can't tell which it is.

@#$%Muther

P.S. Axl saying what he thinks, and talking to the crowd is what he does. I wouldn't class it as throwing a tantrum.

[AxlGunner]

As I recall, I dont remember Axl telling anyone from the old band to "suck his dick" on the 2002 tour. All he would say is that they didnt want to work on certain songs, and Axl had to kind of force them to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong, tell which shows he said "suck my dick Slash."

PS: Once he said that Slash is in his ass, but that was b/c someone was annoying him with a sign.

it was in albany. before out ta get me i think. i was there. it was a cool intro, i enjoyed it, but i certainly didn't take it for gospel.

it amazes me that some people can find ways to justify axl saying whatever the fuck he wants but dont allow slash to do the same. you make excuses for axl that you dont apply to slash. i dont know why i get annoyed at people being so naive but i do, and like a train wreck i cant help but watching this thread.

and dont say there's a double standard because people are trying to bitch about axl and let slash say whatever he wants, because you are forgetting how this all started. people started calling slash a liar, and then others jumped in to point out your hipocrasy by using your own arguments to show how you should be critical of axl also if you are going to criticize slash. i dont think anyone really cares what axl says, and everyone agrees he has a right to say it- the only reason it was brought up is to get people to realize how biased their perceptions of reality are.

but its useless trying to convince some people, i think we should just stop.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I just listened to Albany, and Axl doesnt say anything before Out Ta Get Me, so maybe it was in another part of the show, or maybe he didnt say it at all.

[AxlGunner]

I just listened to Albany, and Axl doesnt say anything before Out Ta Get Me, so maybe it was in another part of the show, or maybe he didnt say it at all.

hmm i'm 99% sure it was albany, cuz i was there for it. not sure if it was out ta get me but i thought it was. i thought axl ends his rant with something like "yea well i'm serpico and theyre the cops and they can suck my dick cuz theyre out ta get me"... but i might be wrong on the parts after "dick". it might've been another before another song then.

I was also at MSG but i dont think thats where he said it.

[Booker Floyd]

I just listened to Albany, and Axl doesnt say anything before Out Ta Get Me, so maybe it was in another part of the show, or maybe he didnt say it at all.

What are you in denial?

Heres the rant...

"Now I was uh, perusing. I was reading all about my integrity, cause that's what I'm known for I guess---selling out my integrity. That's why I'm here with you now, cause I don't give a fuck I guess. Yeah, that's why we worked real hard at this, that's why these guys worked real hard at being in a band that they can get abuse for, because "they're the guys in the way of getting the old band back together." That's horseshit. I'm not trying to bum anybody out, but, you know, I was thinking about it. I'm pretty blunt so people get real pissed. And I haven't done a lot of talking on this tour. Ill shut up real soon don't worry. Y'know, I tried acting nice and that just ends up fucking me right up the ass. They take advantage of that. "Axl said something nice so how can we use that to our advantage?" The truth is they didn't want to be here for you at this level and they don't want to take it farther. I mean, that's their business right? But not at my expense or yours. You've been played. You've been lied to. You've been used. Youve been manipulated so that they can ride around in limos and jam with Snoop Dogg or whoever the fuck. You know, I don't care, that's their business. But they shouldn't really do it at your expense or mine. Now as soon as I say this it'll be on an MP3, someone will transcribe it, and the next person will say "Can you believe Axl said that? I mean my god. I mean he hasn't put out a record. I don't know why he would say that. I mean who does he think he is? That's not very nice. The other guys, they have gotten over it and they're his friend now and they're willing to be his friend and he just needs to grow up." I'm sorry. I'm a little bit more blunt. I mean Slash may sound like a De La Hoya, but he's the fuckin Vargas. That's just how it is. And just because he's got a bunch of guys agreeing doesn't mean shit. The truth is that they're a bunch of bad cops and I'm the fuckin Serpico and they can 'suck my dick'!
"Y'know without Axl and Slash we wouldn't have November Rain and Estranged." Well you don't know what the fuck I went through to get that guy to play those songs. You don't know about the argument we had at K&M studios, because Duff and Slash came to me going "We're not gonna do that song, we're not gonna do this song, nope, nope, we're just not gonna do it." But I wanna do it. We'll do it right now. This song is called 'patience'."

PS: Once he said that Slash is in his ass, but that was b/c someone was annoying him with a sign.

Oh, well thats perfectly understandable...I mean, its not like he could just talk about the guy holding the sign, Slash is obviously an accomplice who deserves mention...

Also...Not to "prove" that Slash is right or anything, but just a quote to take into consideration, from an interview done about 11 months ago...

IGN: Since we're talking about rock musicians, what was the deal with you
arranging some orchestral sections for the impending Guns N Roses album?

Marco Beltrami: That was sort of just work for hire. I guess they'd heard
some of my orchestral music of mine. I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed.
They gave me four songs to orchestrate. A couple of them I did more than orchestrating, I actually wrote some melodies and stuff. It was a fun project. I really enjoyed it. The music was eclectic and at the time that I was doing it there were no lyrics on the songs that I was working on. People ask me about the album and I really have no idea about the release. I thought it was coming out last September. I'm the wrong person to ask about that.

IGN: He came to you with the tracks then, so you weren't ever in the studio with the musicians or anything like that

Marco Beltrami: No, they had finished tracks. On one song I actually wrote a guitar part, but they pretty much had the band tracks down and then I added orchestral stuff on top of it.

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I guess I have a cut version of it then b/c i listened to SCO'M and it went right into OTGM without any talking. I'll have to get another version of the show then. And about the fan with the sign, yeah sure he could have cussed out the fan, but he probably wasnt really thinking about it at the time and thats the first thing that came out of his mouth. Maybe not!!!

[dave-gnfnr2k]

As I recall, I dont remember Axl telling anyone from the old band to "suck his dick" on the 2002 tour. All he would say is that they didnt want to work on certain songs, and Axl had to kind of force them to do it. Correct me if I'm wrong, tell which shows he said "suck my dick Slash."

PS: Once he said that Slash is in his ass, but that was b/c someone was annoying him with a sign.

it was in albany. before out ta get me i think. i was there. it was a cool intro, i enjoyed it, but i certainly didn't take it for gospel.

it amazes me that some people can find ways to justify axl saying whatever the fuck he wants but dont allow slash to do the same. you make excuses for axl that you dont apply to slash. i dont know why i get annoyed at people being so naive but i do, and like a train wreck i cant help but watching this thread.

and dont say there's a double standard because people are trying to bitch about axl and let slash say whatever he wants, because you are forgetting how this all started. people started calling slash a liar, and then others jumped in to point out your hipocrasy by using your own arguments to show how you should be critical of axl also if you are going to criticize slash. i dont think anyone really cares what axl says, and everyone agrees he has a right to say it- the only reason it was brought up is to get people to realize how biased their perceptions of reality are.

but its useless trying to convince some people, i think we should just stop.

Actually its the other way around.  Certain people were getting all pissy when Axl would talk about the old band at the 2002 shows.   Those slash fans said Axl should just shut up and stop talking about slash, eventhough for years before Slash was always bashing Axl.  And now again it is ok that Slash is making up lies about Axl and talking shit, but you know once Axl starts talking about Slash again these same people that are saying its ok for slash to talk about Axl will stay Axl should not be talking shit about slash.  It really amazes me how ass backwards things are when they come to things like this.  Atleast Axl does not have to make up things when he talks about Slash.  The is the point of calling Slash a liar and having him shut up.  But slashs head is so fucked up from all the drugs and booze he does not even know what day it is.

[AxlGunner]

If anyone's interested, read the concert's thread from 2 years ago where people who went there posted their reactions to the 'rant'. they are very interesting, and some are being echoed here today. also, notice how they are civilized critiques and not mindless bashing and name calling, also its a civilized argument and not one attacking axl personally (unlike like some of the people posting in this thread) .

(also, to dave, notice that i am someone who now says slash can say whatever he wants, and back then i also said axl could say whatever he wants. stop making up stories that fit your deluded perceptions of gnr/slash fans cuz you are wrong.)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=54;start=40

mine is there also, and, personally, i loved the rant, its typical axl- but at the same time you people here aren't in a position to talk shit about slash when what he says is tame compared to axl. people have different personalities and different ways to say things- one is not better than the other.

if someone calls slash a pussy because he wont call axl a dick then you're fucked up and i wonder how you get along with people in the real world. i, personally, have no desire to go around badmouthing people i know who i have a problem with, thats just my preference, because its not worth my time, and that's the way slash handles it also. let the man make a few snide remarks if they happen to slip by- the man's not perfect, but who is? its like not talking about an ex-girlfriend who you now hate cuz she fucked you over- you want to let it stay in the past and not talk about it, but every now and then when the topic of her is brought up, you'll let something slip- not because youre a pussy, but because its human nature.

[AxlGunner]

Actually its the other way around.  Certain people were getting all pissy when Axl would talk about the old band at the 2002 shows.   Those slash fans said Axl should just shut up and stop talking about slash, eventhough for years before Slash was always bashing Axl.  And now again it is ok that Slash is making up lies about Axl and talking shit, but you know once Axl starts talking about Slash again these same people that are saying its ok for slash to talk about Axl will stay Axl should not be talking shit about slash.  It really amazes me how ass backwards things are when they come to things like this.  Atleast Axl does not have to make up things when he talks about Slash.  The is the point of calling Slash a liar and having him shut up.  But slashs head is so fucked up from all the drugs and booze he does not even know what day it is.

name one person from the thread i posted who criticized axl for speaking then and now supports slash.

you live in a fantasy world dude.

[Buddha_Master]

The only thing fucked up, is thatt people like Dizzy, and others (you know who you are), that take all this too seriously. That makes me wonder how thye get along (as AxlGunner puts it) in the real world.

All I really did was point out some hypocracies and contradictions in what Slash and Duff had said and done. But, in the end, this is just entertainment.

In fact, I laughed when Slash said he refused to watch GNR's VMA performance. He contradicted himself. Or this rumor that he created about Axl and only recording vocals on 2 songs. Its a rumor....but its fucking funny.

Shit, I never laughed harder when Axl said Slash was up his ass, or that he was fucking Serpico, and they can suck his dick. That was classic. If you guys can't see the humor in that, then point blank...you guys are fucksticks. I love Axls rants...they are never NOT good. Slash, is entertaining in his " im a dummy" way. You know, the classic of all classics, grammy speech. He said (from memory) " This is fucking great, oh shit, did I just say fuck." I watched that over and over till my tape melted. Slash is fucking funny. He is just funny in a different way now. Axl is funny for the same reason reason he always was.

Anyway happy friday...and to all the other dads out there (even you Slash)...have a fucking kickass fathers day yo!

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Actually its the other way around.  Certain people were getting all pissy when Axl would talk about the old band at the 2002 shows.   Those slash fans said Axl should just shut up and stop talking about slash, eventhough for years before Slash was always bashing Axl.  And now again it is ok that Slash is making up lies about Axl and talking shit, but you know once Axl starts talking about Slash again these same people that are saying its ok for slash to talk about Axl will stay Axl should not be talking shit about slash.  It really amazes me how ass backwards things are when they come to things like this.  Atleast Axl does not have to make up things when he talks about Slash.  The is the point of calling Slash a liar and having him shut up.  But slashs head is so fucked up from all the drugs and booze he does not even know what day it is.

name one person from the thread i posted who criticized axl for speaking then and now supports slash.

you live in a fantasy world dude.

I am not talking about that thread. I am talking about all the times Axl has said something about Slash or duff and gets roasted for it, and people saying Axl should just stop talking about the old members. Everyone knows who these people are and its fine to play dumb but we all know it happened, and no I am not going through posts from 2 years ago just to find them, I have better things to do.

So, once Axl starts talking again and saying stuff about slash and duff people like  you and the others can't say shits since most of  you think its ok that slash talks about axl.

[C0ma]

The reason Slash and Duff get free passes from the 'normal' world when talking about Axl is they aren't the villan. In most peoples eyes the reason there isn't a 'real' Guns N' Roses is Axl fucked it up.

Another thing, VR is on a press tour and are being asked questions about the old band and about Axl.....IMO they do a good job of answering the questions with out bashing him to much (he does give them plenty of ammo). In 2002 Axl walked on stage and started talking about his 'other freinds' and banning former members from shows.

So don't compare Axl going on stage unprovoked and bashing his former band mates, to VR doing press for an album that got released and fielding questions.
 

[Imfuckincrazy]

Im not just going on what he has recently said. Lets not forget there are a million slash interviews out there.

Yes, he does give his side of the story, but in which of those interviews did he say "Axl can suck my dick," or any name calling, etc... I like how people say that they each have their own story and are going to speak their minds in different ways, yet when Slash gives his side of the story people say he is lying, is out to get Axl, or is being two faced. But Axl says "they can suck my dick," and it's okay.  

Of course not. Because Axl doesnt rant about Slash every 5 seconds like your making it out to be. He ranted a handful of times on the last tour baout him. Each time no more than a minute. Hes not siting down and giving lectures on SLash, so relax.
And when hes not giving rants, he showing you why hes the worlds greatest frontman.

It doesn't matter how long the rants took, that's not the point. And he can show us that he's the world's greatest frontman without throwing fits and making uneccessary comments. If Slash said, "Axl can suck my dick" you wouldn't be defending him for it (he already gets a hard time when he says anything because people have this belief that everything he says is against Axl.)

This new thoery that you guys have been throwing around is funny as hell. First off by Axl curising doesnt mean hes trying to explain his side of the story. HE just calling him a dick, nothing more nothing less.
Please stop with this bullshit manipulating audience thing.

I know he isn't trying to explain his side of the story by saying "suck my dick." That doesn't explain anything. If he DID explain his side of the story, that would be fine, and people could either agree with it or not. But what is the point of saying "they can suck my dick"? He's not doing anything but trying to get people to agree, and to think his rants are "cool." You would accuse Slash of the same thing if he spouted off shit like that, because there is no other reason for it. If Axl wants to vent he could talk to ANYBODY, but there is no other reason for saying that shit to an audience unless he is trying to get everyone on his side.

He went out of his way to say it in an interview and state it as fact. WHich contradicts hiw whole "i could give 2 shits about what Axl is doing with that band of his" attitude.

Out of his way? I don't think he said, "Hey, you won't believe this shit I found out about Axl!!!" I don't think he went out of his way to find out about it or talk about it. He probably heard about it, and was asked a question on the subject, and related what he knew to the interviewer. He didn't show concern or imply that he cared.

Also...Not to "prove" that Slash is right or anything, but just a quote to take into consideration, from an interview done about 11 months ago...

I heard Chris Thompson talking about it in January or February that Axl was having trouble perfecting the vocals.

Shit, I never laughed harder when Axl said Slash was up his ass, or that he was fucking Serpico, and they can suck his dick. That was classic. If you guys can't see the humor in that, then point blank...you guys are fucksticks. I love Axls rants...they are never NOT good. Slash, is entertaining in his " im a dummy" way. You know, the classic of all classics, grammy speech. He said (from memory) " This is fucking great, oh shit, did I just say fuck." I watched that over and over till my tape melted. Slash is fucking funny. He is just funny in a different way now. Axl is funny for the same reason reason he always was.

See, younggunner, this is the whole reason why Axl rants the way he does: to get people to think it's "cool."

In fact, I laughed when Slash said he refused to watch GNR's VMA performance. He contradicted himself. Or this rumor that he created about Axl and only recording vocals on 2 songs. Its a rumor....but its fucking funny.

How did he contradict himself? Did he say he watched it and then say he didn't?

And I doubt he "created" this rumor. If it is just a rumor, he probably heard it from someone else. I don't see a reason he would just make that up.

[Mikkamakka]

Stop arguing with Dave & the other Axl-lovers who are blinded by their passion and deny every fact, create factoids and they explain the inexplicable. They live in their world, they know CD is coming, Slash is a liar, Axl cares of them, Axl is always right and he is perfect. I know it's hard not to comment their weird thinking, but try it.  

[Buddha_Master]

Stop arguing with Dave & the other Axl-lovers who are blinded by their passion and deny every fact, create factoids and they explain the inexplicable. They live in their world, they know CD is coming, Slash is a liar, Axl cares of them, Axl is always right and he is perfect. I know it's hard not to comment their weird thinking, but try it.  

I think this arument has hit a stand still anyway and this thread should probably be closed because of it. People like this are talking shit about "Axl-lovers" even though they are doing the same thing for Slash and Company. Everyone is taking this entertainment medium and getting way too fucking serious about it.

I think we all just need to take a few hits and chill the fuck out. Its only Rock N' Roll.

[Acquiesce]

The only thing fucked up, is thatt people like Dizzy, and others (you know who you are), that take all this too seriously. That makes me wonder how thye get along (as AxlGunner puts it) in the real world.

It's no more pathetic than the people who get all up in arms because Slash or other ex-members say something that is remotely negative. They act like a bunch of star-struck children. It's embarrassing and pathetic.

You would think people on both sides would learn to move on already.

[Buddha_Master]

The only thing fucked up, is thatt people like Dizzy, and others (you know who you are), that take all this too seriously. That makes me wonder how thye get along (as AxlGunner puts it) in the real world.

It's no more pathetic than the people who get all up in arms because Slash or other ex-members say something that is remotely negative. They act like a bunch of star-struck children. It's embarrassing and pathetic.

You would think people on both sides would learn to move on already.

You got to understand first, the nature of being a fan of something, or someone. When there is someone talking shit about someone you break it down if you are a fan of him, or were a fan at some point. Its when you talk shit about someone for doing the same thing that you are doing on the flip side, is when your words of being "embarrasing and pathetic" more applies.

Anyway, I understand how passionate we can all get about this. We are fans. That is why we talk here. GNR (members past and present) talk a lot of shit. So I suppose that is why we all do. A fan, is short for FANatic. And so we can get a little fanatical sometimes.

Just try and keep yourselves in check. Find the humor in shit that isnt life altering. This is only entertainment, so find the entertainment in it. Like fucking with people who take things to far, and get too serious. Life is crazy with assholes taking shit too seriously, and this is an escape from it at times. We dont need things like that here do we?

Anyway my pimp hand is feeling strong these days. Recognize.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The reason Slash and Duff get free passes from the 'normal' world when talking about Axl is they aren't the villan. In most peoples eyes the reason there isn't a 'real' Guns N' Roses is Axl fucked it up.

Another thing, VR is on a press tour and are being asked questions about the old band and about Axl.....IMO they do a good job of answering the questions with out bashing him to much (he does give them plenty of ammo). In 2002 Axl walked on stage and started talking about his 'other freinds' and banning former members from shows.

So don't compare Axl going on stage unprovoked and bashing his former band mates, to VR doing press for an album that got released and fielding questions.
 

But the thing is Slash is not the villian and slash even admited in an older interview he fucked up big time.
Yes they are all to blame but slash even claimed sometimes he didnt  put 100% effort into the band.

Also slash refused to go near a lot of the stuff axl wanted to try, so how is that Axls fault.  The only reason people tend to believe slash is because he keeps saying it, while axl does not do interviews that often, so people tend to take slashs side, even tho he keeps changing his mind what really happened.