Slash says that Axl only has a couple of songs with vocals on it

[younggunner]

you'll notice that Slash only speaks about Axl when he's asked.  Axl doesn't do that.  Rather, he has sputtered venom at every turn onstage during his 2002 tour and the previous shows.

There were probably 5 seprate rants from the past tour that Axl has said somethign about his former bandmates. So to say he has taken every chance hes gotten to say negative stuff about the band is false. Plus when exactely has Axl himself addressed the hwole gnr situation and how he feelsa about the old band? Rio, and last tour. And in the press release he didnt say one negative thing about them.

Why?  Because he's obviously bitter, and he's attempting to get the fans to take his side.  Axl's interviews of the last few years are much better, because he doesn't call names.  He presents his side of the story, which is fine.  Axl is entitled to his side of the story, he is entitled to present his side of the story, and his side of the story is just as valid as the other sides (even though I personally may not agree with some of the things he says).

How is he attempting to get the fans to take his side. Its obivious he doesnt need to regain his old fans back. The people who care about GNr have remained. Hes got his fans.

Maybe hes so fed up that Slash has lied over the years. MAybe thats why he is "bitter". Maybe theres a reason he feels that way. Maybe its not just because he wants to be a dick and curse. Maybe theres a reason he feels the way he feels.

And your right. In the press release all Axl did was tell his side of the story. And he refuses to answer anythign regarding his old band mebers in interviews. Thats somethign SLash should do. If you notice, most SLash vs. Axl debates originate from when Slash opens his mouth.
Slash has been debating with himself over the years and its kind of funny to watch.

But all the enraged rants (a la "suck my dick!") do not constitute "Axl presenting his side of the story".  What he is doing there is trying to get the fans to take sides, trying to pit them against the former members, because he displays these paranoid delusions that everybody is out to get him, and he tries to convince the fans that these delusions are reality.  And it seems many people have indeed been convinced and have adopted Axl's mentality.  They assume that because Axl is bitter and angry at his former bandmates, his former bandmates must also feel the same way about him.  And the reality is, they probably don't.  They probably just feel (as Slash said) their relationship with Axl ran its course, and that's the end of the story.

Are you serious? So your telling me that everyone was on Slash's side prior to the 2002 tour? And then when GNR went on tour and Axl made a few rants, people opinions changed? Hell fukin no....
Maybe its because people are always hearing SLash say something different and just keep bringing the same old stuff up. All he has to say is no comment to Axl/new gnr questions and tell Sorum to shut his mouth up as well.

econdly, I could not disagree more with Eva's statement.  Even if Slash really wanted to say "Axl can suck my dick!" onstage, I would have no respect for him if he did.  I don't give a damn if he would've been displaying more honesty or not.  I would not respect him for blatantly trying to get the fans to take sides, for blatantly trying to turn the fans into Axl haters, for blatantly trying to stir up a shit pot which doesn't need to be stirred -- because the overactive imaginations of certain 'fans' are damn sure already stirring it, and I'm talking about both sides when I say that; both the "Slash is a liar" crowd and the "Fuck Axl Rose" chanters.

Back to the point, I respect Slash because he doesn't come out onstage and air his dirty laundry, because he doesn't come onstage and try to force-feed his opinions of Axl to the fans.  The fact that when Slash comes onstage, he focuses on what he is there to do, play a show and entertain the fans, and leaves his personal issues with Axl as just that...personal matters between himself and Axl, and doesn't bring them onstage.  He only speaks of Axl when asked, and actually, that's the only thing I don't like about Slash, the fact that he even bothers to answer the same old questions about Axl at all, when he should just tell the reporters/interviews that he doesn't want to discuss that anymore, because he's discussed it to death.

Just because you think Axl is trying to get fans on his side doesnt mean its true. Its far from true. Axl could give two shits what anyone thinks on the topic. He says what he says. Axl stayed out of the spotlight for years. He hasnt said one word. SLash has been giving interviews since he left. He said his story and whatver he wanted to say millions of times. Axl goes on tour for the first time and decides to say how he feels about Slash. Maybe SLash is lying. ANd thats why Axls mad. Thats why hes angry. Doesnt he have the right to say how he feels?

Slash should simply say no comment. Not laugh and giggle like a lil school girl. And certaintly not say what he thinks he knows about CD, especially since 2 weeks ago he said he could careless about them. Then why even say something about it? Whats the point? WHo cares what Slash says about new gnr. He has no clue about the material or what they have recorded. All he knows is that hes out of a band.

I find it real funny how you now are saying Axl tries to manipulate fans. It cant get any funnier.

[Oddy]

All i can say about this constant "Slash is a liar" "Slash contradicts himself" "Slash changes his mind about everything" etc

Well if you're been having a gallon of jack daniels and an 8 ball of cocain every day for 4 years you're minds gonna be pretty fucked up. He probably lost whatever intelligence he once had. He probably can't even remember things he has said only days ago. He's also probably lost ability the to articulate whats on his mind into words.

Drugs are bad, Slash does his best to stay truthfully, but sometimes he can't put the words together to say what he thinks properly. Thus all the problems.


This is just a theory ofcourse.

[LionGoddess]

I love the twisted logic of the majority of people on this board. I remember before I left the boards people were defending Axl saying he had every right to say the things he did about the old band members. Slash or Duff could say the most innocent things about Axl and people would get all up in arms about it. The bottom line is shit talking is lame no matter who does it. I don't like it when Axl, Slash, Duff or anyone does it. But you can't have it both ways, you can't defend Axl for doing it and then say the other guys have no right. Just like you shouldn't defend Slash and company and then bitch about Axl. The more things change the more they stay the same around here.

[younggunner]

He was asked, and he told what he knew about it. Just because you don't think he should have said anything about it at all, doesn't make what he said untrue.

Im not debating what he said was true or not. I could careless about what SLash says regarding gnr.
My point was why even say what you know if you constantly tell people you could give two shits baout it.

If it comes out soon, then we will know that what he said was most likely incorrect. If it doesn't then we will know that he could have been correct. So no, it wouldn't prove anything, but it would still give us an idea of whether or not it could have been true or not.

No, like I told Dizzy before...whether CD comes out or not doesnt have anything to do with what Slash says. Brian May has heard 2 albums worth of material and it didnt come out. SO what does that mean. He was lying? Slash comment are not the watermark to see if CD is doen or not. SOrry to tell you that.

Well if you're been having a gallon of jack daniels and an 8 ball of cocain every day for 4 years you're minds gonna be pretty fucked up

Plus hes put on a few pouns in the gut and face.....lol as eminem says...jp america

But you can't have it both ways, you can't defend Axl for doing it and then say the other guys have no right. Just like you shouldn't defend Slash and company and then bitch about Axl.

I dont have a problem with Slash and company saying whatever they wann say about Axl/GNr. BUt i do have a problem because half the time they try to act like they are above that by saying "oh i dont care about Axl/gnr, i dont know anything about it dude, yaydaydyay" yet on the otherhand there relaying me facts about CD. How is that possible. Stick with one side. EIther say what you want or simply say no comment. They cant have it boht ways.

[Dizzy]

There were probably 5 seprate rants from the past tour that Axl has said somethign about his former bandmates.

That's five more than Slash has ranted during the ongoing VR tour.

How is he attempting to get the fans to take his side. Its obivious he doesnt need to regain his old fans back. The people who care about GNr have remained. Hes got his fans.

That isn't what I meant.  I don't mean decide whose music is better.  Obviously, people will come to see Axl because they like the music.  I meant that Axl is attempting to convince the fans who is right or wrong when it comes to the breakup.  If he just presented his side, that would be fine.  Fans could take it for what it's worth, same as they would Slash or any of the other former members.  But Axl doesn't only do that, he has to call names and hurling mud as well.

Maybe hes so fed up that Slash has lied over the years.

But yet Slash doesn't do the same thing.  His side of the story obviously conflicts with Axl's side, so based upon that, one might deduce that Axl is the one lying, yet you don't hear Slash spewing insults and calling names.  You only hear Axl doing it.

Maybe hes so fed up that Slash has lied over the years. MAybe thats why he is "bitter". Maybe theres a reason he feels that way. Maybe its not just because he wants to be a dick and curse. Maybe theres a reason he feels the way he feels.

Thanks, you made my case for me and you also contradicted yourself.  On one hand you state that Axl doesn't care, then you turn around and state that Axl is pissed at Slash for lying.  Why would Axl get angry at Slash for lying to the audience?  He doesn't care what they think, remember?  So why would he need to refute what Slash said to an audience when he doesn't care what they think?  The answer is very clear, my man, Axl does care what they think, and he wants those fans to believe what he believes, plain and simple.

Are you serious? So your telling me that everyone was on Slash's side prior to the 2002 tour?   And then when GNR went on tour and Axl made a few rants, people opinions changed? Hell fukin no....

No no no.  I'm not referring to anyone's opinions on either of them.  I was directly describing the manner in which Axl addresses tha fans as opposed to Slash's.  Nowhere did I cite how the fans actually reacted or might react.

Maybe its because people are always hearing SLash say something different and just keep bringing the same old stuff up.

He doesn't bring it up, and you acknowledged that yourself in your very next statement.

All he has to say is no comment to Axl/new gnr questions and tell Sorum to shut his mouth up as well.

I concur, and I've already said that.

Just because you think Axl is trying to get fans on his side doesnt mean its true.   Its far from true. Axl could give two shits what anyone thinks on the topic.

I doubt very seriously you actually believe that.  There is no other reason for him to vent his rage that way to an audience unless he is trying to manipulate them.  If he wanted to vent about Slash, he could vent to anybody.  Friends, associates, employees, Beta....anyone.  You're stating that he just randomly picks his audience as the ones to whom he rants about these issues?  Give me a break.  There's a reason he picks those times to vent that bitterness of his.  He wants the audience to see it the way he does.  Laugh at it all you want, there's no other reason why he does it.

If Axl really didn't give two shits about what the audience thinks, I highly doubt he'd waste his time ranting about it.

I mean hell, when you need to take a load off your mind, who do you talk to?  Someone you're close to, or a slew of total strangers?  You don't tell strangers (i.e. an audience at a concert) anything unless you do care what they think and want them to believe a certain thing.

Doesnt he have the right to say how he feels?

His "rights" are beside the point.

I find it real funny how you now are saying Axl tries to manipulate fans. It cant get any funnier.

Poor attempt to discredit what I said.  Just read the above, it's common sense.  Hell, you should have put a on there for good measure, like Dave does every time he wants people to know he's laughing at their "funny" beliefs.

[chas]

There were probably 5 seprate rants from the past tour that Axl has said somethign about his former bandmates.

That's five more than Slash has ranted during the ongoing VR tour.

Yep and maybe '50-100' less than Slash since break-up. Both have talked their fair amount of shit between them, but i think Slash has been alot worse, maybe because Axl was 'hiding' so many years.

[Timothy]

As for the break of the band I think that Slash and co. were to fucking high to probable remember what really happened. What happened was probable something in-between what they all say.

[Dizzy]

Yep and maybe '50-100' less than Slash since break-up.

Oh yes, I definitely recall Slash saying "Axl's a bad cop and he can suck my dick!" 50 to 100 times.  

[Imfuckincrazy]

There were probably 5 seprate rants from the past tour that Axl has said somethign about his former bandmates. So to say he has taken every chance hes gotten to say negative stuff about the band is false.

Yet you say that Slash and co. "talk shit continuously" about Axl, and you base that on this and the Howard Stern discussion. Whatever.

Im not debating what he said was true or not. I could careless about what SLash says regarding gnr.

I would call this debating whether or not what he said was true:

No, like I told Dizzy before...whether CD comes out or not doesnt have anything to do with what Slash says. Brian May has heard 2 albums worth of material and it didnt come out. SO what does that mean. He was lying? Slash comment are not the watermark to see if CD is doen or not. SOrry to tell you that.

And you just assume that it's not (the truth), when the fact that Brian May said that YEARS ago has NOTHING to do with the state of the album NOW.

Slash NOW says, as a fact, that there are only two tracks of vocals. Things may have changed since Brian has heard the recordings. Axl could be redoing the vocals - you don't know more than anyone else does, but like I said before, Slash probably knows people who know that information.

I dont have a problem with Slash and company saying whatever they wann say about Axl/GNr. BUt i do have a problem

Then don't say that you don't, when the whole reason why you're posting in this thread is to say what they should and shouldn't say about Axl/GNR.

half the time they try to act like they are above that by saying "oh i dont care about Axl/gnr, i dont know anything about it dude, yaydaydyay" yet on the otherhand there relaying me facts about CD. How is that possible. Stick with one side. EIther say what you want or simply say no comment. They cant have it boht ways.

First of all, they aren't "trying to act." Just because Axl acts like a child and resorts to temper tantrums and stupid comments such as "suck my dick," doesn't mean that is what Slash is thinking (though I know you have this belief that you know what is in Slash's mind).

Second of all, I don't understand your problem with Slash answering a question which he was asked. He didn't say what he thought about it, whether it is good, bad, whether he was happy, or sad - he didn't claim to care - he simply answered a question.  

[chas]

Yep and maybe '50-100' less than Slash since break-up.

Oh yes, I definitely recall Slash saying "Axl's a bad cop and he can suck my dick!" 50 to 100 times.  

Not exactly that, but referred to him in interviews, tv etc.. in a derrogatroy way.

[Dizzy]

Not exactly that, but referred to him in interviews, tv etc.. in a derogatory way.

Only in the loosest sense of the word.  Stating that he disagreed with Axl using the GNR name and that he disagreed with Axl's preference of musical direction is not insulting Axl.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

To paraphrase something Eva once said, "I would respect Slash more if he came out and said 'suck my dick', at least he'd be honest then."

(Regarding Slash's response to the crowd's "Fuck Axl Rose" chant I said): "in my opinion slash said 'was that really necessary' because as usual he wants to look like 'the good guy' who has no 'hard feelings' against his 'bro'.  i'd prefer if he just came out and said something like 'axl can suck my dick' instead of being two faced"

Firstly, do any of you really believe that the reason Axl is making flagrantly nasty and provocative statement such as those is to defend the good name of "honesty"?  Do you believe that honesty is the soloe motivating factor behind his rants?

No, I think he has issues with Slash and Duff.  I think he said they could suck his dick the way any one else means it when they say it.  Its an insult.  In no uncertain terms he is providing a colorful verbal depiction of what he thinks of them... and what he thinks they are worthy of.

Secondly, I could not disagree more with Eva's statement.  Even if Slash really wanted to say "Axl can suck my dick!" onstage, I would have no respect for him if he did.  I don't give a damn if he would've been displaying more honesty or not.  

I can understand what you are saying.  You prefer if they both 'made nice' - even if it was just for show.  I can understand that.  Yes, it would be a hell of a lot easier to be a GN'R fan.  But, the fact remains that Axl has issues with Slash and Duff.  And though some will dispute it (despite the existence of a 16 page law suit in which they claim that Axl maliciously and intentionally defrauded them; desspite the numerous comments that Slash continues to make such as the "no one wants to blame Axl (for the breakup of the band) but there is no one else to blame" and his other recent comment saying that "Scott always wants to work and thats a change - it was impossible to get Axl to do anything") - the fact remains that Slash and Duff have issues with Axl.  

I would not respect him for blatantly trying to get the fans to take sides, for blatantly trying to turn the fans into Axl haters, for blatantly trying to stir up a shit pot which doesn't need to be stirred --
 because the overactive imaginations of certain 'fans' are damn sure already stirring it, and I'm talking about both sides when I say that; both the "Slash is a liar" crowd and the "Fuck Axl Rose" chanters.

Blatantly is synonymous with honestly.  
hehe... I know it also means in looser terms "brash" and "ballsy" (is "ballsy" a word?  lol.  I dunno )
Thing is I personally prefer Axl's explicitness to Slash's ambiguity or even (dare I say) covertness - regardless of whom it might offend - to me, it is preferrable.

But again, at the same time I understand what you are saying.  Axl drew a clear line between himself and Slash & Duff when he said they could "suck his dick."  But no more so than "Saul Hudson & Michael McKagan" V. "W. Axl Rose" (the cover page of the lawsuit) does.

And to anyone who says they have their reasons... I say - so does Axl.

Back to the point, I respect Slash because he doesn't come out onstage and air his dirty laundry, because he doesn't come onstage and try to force-feed his opinions of Axl to the fans.  The fact that when Slash comes onstage, he focuses on what he is there to do, play a show and entertain the fans, and leaves his personal issues with Axl as just that...personal matters between himself and Axl, and doesn't bring them onstage.  

Does it really matter if it is in the press or in front of a crowd at a show or in a statement on your official website?  
In person, with the words coming out of your own mouth, in front of thousands of eyewitnesses - or on your own website eliminates the chance of being misquoted or of some claiming that it must be a misquote (as some in this thread even mentioned that Slash may be misquoted.)
Though, I can understand if you say you'd rather go to a show and just hear the music.
Thats cool.  With Axl, though, you can count on him to share his feelings with us personally.  When has he ever not done so?  I can understand if that you'd prefer if he didn't.  You are not alone in that.  But, I rather Axl just be who/how he is... and not hide or sugar coat his feelings - even if it means that I get home from a show 20 minutes later than I would have if he didn't.  Even if it means that some fans are going to be pissed about it.  
The day Axl starts measuring his words for the sole sake of not riling anyone up - is the day he stops being Axl.  

So far as force-feeding, I get what you are saying.  I'm sure many would prefer if they did not have to hear about it.  You can ignore /deny even if you'd like the implications of what is quoted 'offhand' in an interview or the accusations buried in a sixteen page document - but when Axl makes a statement in front of an audience it is unavoidable and undeniable.  And to fans who like you don't care about "all that shit" I can understand that you'd prefer he didn't make ya have to hear it.  

He only speaks of Axl when asked, and actually, that's the only thing I don't like about Slash, the fact that he even bothers to answer the same old questions about Axl at all, when he should just tell the reporters/interviews that he doesn't want to discuss that anymore, because he's discussed it to death.

I hear ya.  Even if he only speaks about Axl when asked, its of of little consequence.  When he does make comments like the ones he made in this interview (about knowing for fact that there are vocals on only a couple of tracks) its really not too difficult to see why he does - regardless of what would make our being GN'R fans easier - the fact is that these men have issues with eachother and they are going to express it - its going to come out one way or another.  

anyway. like i said above several times.  i understand and will add - respect your opinions as you've stated them.  i would hope no one would take offense at any of my comments.  

[wildaxl]

Who the fuck is Slash to tell me what's goin' on with Chinese Democracy? If I know well, he's out of GNR about 8 years ago.

He is SLASH and he's out there in the music industry knowing things and meeting the right people you won't ever meet;and this also goes for the rest of you people who seem to know everything about Axl Rose who gives a flying fuck about you.  you don't know SHIT!
 And Dave you called Slash a liar,I think the only liar in this picture is Axl,he's been giving the wrong information about the CD for a long time now. Hey Bud,think twice before u post.  

[Dizzy]

(Regarding Slash's response to the crowd's "Fuck Axl Rose" chant I said): "in my opinion slash said 'was that really necessary' because as usual he wants to look like 'the good guy' who has no 'hard feelings' against his 'bro'.  i'd prefer if he just came out and said something like 'axl can suck my dick' instead of being two faced"

Firstly, I didn't mean to take your statement out of context, so I hope you didn't interpret it that way.  And I just used your comment as an example, you're certainly far from being the only person who's ever said that he/she respects Axl for speaking his mind.

Secondly, I addressed the alleged "two faces of Slash" in the last post.  I said that just because he tells people to stop chanting "Fuck Axl Rose" does not mean he is two faced.  Despite the fact that Slash may have issues with Axl, that doesn't mean that he has a "Fuck Axl Rose" mentality himself.

Another thing is that Slash is probably damned sick and tired of hearing the name "Axl Rose".  He probably wishes people would stop asking him about it.  Now you may say, "well then, why does he always answer questions about Axl?"  Well, even in the interviews where he answers questions about Axl, at times he seems to be frustrated at having to answer them.

I can understand what you are saying.  You prefer if they both 'made nice' - even if it was just for show.

Well, I am not saying that either of them has to lie.  Axl doesn't need to go onstage and say "I love Slash so much" or anything like that.  Neither does Slash.  What I wish for is to be able to go to a show and watch a band perform.  VR did a good job of that.  I saw Velvet Revolver in Philadelphia a couple weeks ago, and Slash (again) stopped the "Fuck Axl Rose" chant by telling the fans that the Philly Riot had nothing to do with VR, and to "just leave it alone".  He again stopped the chant moments later by saying "We're playing an old school song now (Used to Love Her), but let's just leave the redhead out of this".  Then after the song, Duff piped up and said "Scott rules would be a better chant".  As I said, the two of them focus on the show at hand, because that is what they are there for.  They don't try and make Axl haters out of the crowd.  They don't try to make the fans look at the situation a certain way.  Unfortunately, some of the fans there were already doing that, and Slash and Duff made it a point to shut those people up.  And since I was there, I can tell you they were both serious about it.

But fortunately, not VR fans are like that.  It's funny, because when I was outside the venue waiting in line to enter, this older guy walked up along the line and said "can I get a Fuck Axl Rose chant?  Come on, he fucked us here [in Philly] last time!"  And every single person (including myself) looked at him like he was some weird alien or something.  One guy even said "Damn, the show hasn't even started and that dude's already drunk!"  It was funny to witness.  

But again, at the same time I understand what you are saying.  Axl drew a clear line between himself and Slash & Duff when he said they could "suck his dick."  But no more so than "Saul Hudson & Michael McKagan" V. "W. Axl Rose" (the cover page of the lawsuit) does.

True, but the difference is that Duff & Slash did a much better job at picking their time to "draw the line", so to speak, between themselves and Axl.  Judging by your last statement (regarding Axl force-feeding his sentiments), I think you'd understand that.  You don't need to read Slash's and Duff's lawsuit brief if you don't want to, but if you're at an Axl show, you're going to be listening to what he says whether you want to or not.  The difference is that Duff & Slash picked the more appropriate forum to "draw the line".

With Axl, though, you can count on him to share his feelings with us personally.  When has he ever not done so?  The day Axl starts measuring his words for the sole sake of not riling anyone up - is the day he stops being Axl.  

I agree....but there is a difference between Axl's new rants and the old days...Axl used to rant about asshole reporters and things like that.  In other words, people that the fans didn't give a damn about.  But now he rants about hhis former bandmates; people that he knows the audience adores.  It isn't considerate to the fans who love all the members of the original GNR to hear one slamming the other so viciously.  And yes, I am aware Axl is not exactly a poster boy for consideration, but you catch my drift.  

sure many would prefer if they did not have to hear about it.  You can ignore /deny even if you'd like the implications of what is quoted 'offhand' in an interview or the accusations buried in a sixteen page document - but when Axl makes a statement in front of an audience it is unavoidable and undeniable.  And to fans who like you don't care about "all that shit" I can understand that you'd prefer he didn't make ya have to hear it.  

Precisely....we all have our beliefs as to why the original lineup isn't together, but we still love all the members for what they've given us (Minus those damned Steven haters around here that I have to correct all the time   ).  So it upsets me when Axl says these things about these musicians whom I admire for the music they gave me.  And contrary to what my detractors out there would like to believe, I'd say the same thing if Slash was the one saying "Axl can suck my dick!".  Hell, even though Slash hasn't said things like that, I've still heard enough from him about Axl, and I've already said that Slash should tell these damn reporters "next question please!" whenever they pester him about Axl, because I get tired of reading a question like that every damn time Slash gets interviewed.  He needs to buck up to them and tell them to piss off.  

[younggunner]

That's five more than Slash has ranted during the ongoing VR tour.

Now lets take those 5 rants and compare them to every interview Slash has basically done since leaving GNR.

I meant that Axl is attempting to convince the fans who is right or wrong when it comes to the breakup.  If he just presented his side, that would be fine.  Fans could take it for what it's worth, same as they would Slash or any of the other former members.  But Axl doesn't only do that, he has to call names and hurling mud as well.

NO he isnt. He is saying that SLash is a dick. NOthing more nothing less. To try and make this a "axl is trying to manipulate people" is ridiculous.

His side of the story obviously conflicts with Axl's side, so based upon that, one might deduce that Axl is the one lying, yet you don't hear Slash spewing insults and calling names.  You only hear Axl doing it.

Im not debating if what Slash is saying, or Axl for that matter is true or not. Im discussing the fact that SLash says all this stuff about Axl, yet he doesnt care and has facts on CD. WHich is it.

I was directly describing the manner in which Axl addresses tha fans as opposed to Slash's.  Nowhere did I cite how the fans actually reacted or might react.

Axl is a frontman, SLash plays the guitar. You dont go to see SLash and expect him to say anything. Axl rants and says whatver is on his mind.

He doesn't bring it up, and you acknowledged that yourself in your very next statement.

BUt he doesnt say what we both would liek him to say. Thats where I have a problem. I dont have a problem with him saying whatver he wants. BUt when he says he doesnt care yet brings up stuff about the topic then hes lieing.

There is no other reason for him to vent his rage that way to an audience unless he is trying to manipulate them.

Stop bringing it up. Theres no proof of that plus its ridiculous.

And if I go by that, the same could be said about SLash. AFter all he has been in a million interviews since he lft and is always talking about Axl/GNr. Half the time his responses try to insinuate that Axl broke up the band etc. BUt hes not manipulating.

His "rights" are beside the point.

Why tehre are two sides to every story. One side has spoken for years where the other has just come out of the woodwork.

Poor attempt to discredit what I said.  Just read the above, it's common sense.  

Yea its common sense. EVERYONE AXL HAS BEEN TRYING TO MANIPULATE YOU WHEN HE SAYS SLASH IS A PUSSY. HEADS UP.

Oh yes, I definitely recall Slash saying "Axl's a bad cop and he can suck my dick!" 50 to 100 times.

Are you a little girl? Axl said SLash could suck his dick. BIg deal. What does that have to do with the way SLash is always implying that Axl broke up the band.

And you just assume that it's not (the truth), when the fact that Brian May said that YEARS ago has NOTHING to do with the state of the album NOW.

Slash NOW says, as a fact, that there are only two tracks of vocals. Things may have changed since Brian has heard the recordings. Axl could be redoing the vocals - you don't know more than anyone else does, but like I said before, Slash probably knows people who know that information.

Are you dense? Im not debating what SLash has said. Im saying that what he said contradicts what he has been saying about Axl/new gnr.

Just because Axl acts like a child and resorts to temper tantrums and stupid comments such as "suck my dick," doesn't mean that is what Slash is thinking (though I know you have this belief that you know what is in Slash's mind).

Everyone expresses themselves differently

Second of all, I don't understand your problem with Slash answering a question which he was asked. He didn't say what he thought about it, whether it is good, bad, whether he was happy, or sad - he didn't claim to care - he simply answered a question.  
My problem with SLash is not what he says per say but his whole attitude. One day he says he could give 2 shits about Axl/gnr etc then anohter day he is giving me facts on CD, in an article about hs band. He cant have it both ways. And whats even more pussy about it is that he sugar coats everything.ALways implying stuff instead of saying it.

but if you're at an Axl show, you're going to be listening to what he says whether you want to or not.

Yep. SO dont go. And please stop insinuating that all of Axls rants are about SLash. When thats not the case. And those slash rants are no more than a minute long. He doesnt sit down and lecture the audience about Slash being a dick.

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but dizzy how do u know they stopped the chants not to bash axl as much as they didnt want axl having anything to do with their show

its like wrestling if people cheer u they love u, if they boo u they still love u, if not they wouldnt give a fuck either way

i think slash stopped them because they are velvet revolver but yet people still couldnt shut up about someone who isnt even in the band

if i were in a band like that and they were chanting something about a guy no longer in the band it would hurt my ego and piss me off cause they arent focusing on my new band instead they are focused on axl rose


axl is the greatest front man because he plays the awesome face character and the great heel character but he is still loved and respected either way , just like chicago 92 when he tells the crowd to "shut the fuck up"

who else could get away with that

so maybe we shouldnt honor slash and duff for defusing a chant because it may not have had anything to do with not wanting to bash axl

they just didnt wanna hear his name at their concert, imagine being the singer of a new band and the crowd only talks about the old singer, i think slash and duff were more on ego control than worried bout fans bashing axl

[HoldenCaulfield]

BS. Slash would not know how many tracks are finished, or any kind of details about anything pertaining to the new GNR.

[Imfuckincrazy]

but dizzy how do u know they stopped the chants not to bash axl as much as they didnt want axl having anything to do with their show

We don't know that, D.

The crowd was chanting that because obviously they thought that's what the band wanted to hear, as to say that they are on their side. If VR had a problem with Axl's name being mentioned at one of their concerts, they would probably have the same problem answering questions about Axl in all of their interviews, which they don't.

Do you think that Axl would have stopped them from chanting "Fuck Slash" at a GNR show? No, because Axl starts saying shit like that himself, saying "Slash can suck my dick" and such, so he definitely doesn't have a problem with Slash's name being mentioned at his own shows.

BS. Slash would not know how many tracks are finished, or any kind of details about anything pertaining to the new GNR.

He could easily know someone with that information.

And I like how people are saying that he wouldn't know the details about anything pertaining to GNR, yet before people insisted that he was lying about the VMAs, and that he would have known about it beforehand because he probably have friends that know such information.

[Imfuckincrazy]

Half the time his responses try to insinuate that Axl broke up the band etc.

That's what people like to think. People like to twist his words around to make him out to be the bad guy, and give their own interpretations of what he says. But he said that he blames himself as well, and that no one wants to blame Axl. You can take that any way you want to. Of course Slash is going to have his own side of the story, and he gives it, but he does it without name calling and he doesn't try to get the fans to "choose sides."

Axl is a frontman, SLash plays the guitar. You dont go to see SLash and expect him to say anything. Axl rants and says whatver is on his mind.

Oh, so because Axl is a frontman, he has the right to throw tantrums and call people names? And no, you don't expect shit like that from Slash, because he is there to play music and not act like a four year old. Can't say the same for Axl. If I ever went to see GNR live, it wouldn't be to hear the rants and negative comments about Slash.   
   

Now lets take those 5 rants and compare them to every interview Slash has basically done since leaving GNR.

Sure. Slash has given his side of the story, without throwing tantrums, name calling, and blaming everybody but himself. As Dizzy said, all the rants such as "suck my dick" do not prove anything or explain his side of the story. He is just trying to get the audience to take his side.

My problem with SLash is not what he says per say but his whole attitude. One day he says he could give 2 shits about Axl/gnr etc then anohter day he is giving me facts on CD, in an article about hs band. He cant have it both ways. And whats even more pussy about it is that he sugar coats everything.ALways implying stuff instead of saying it.

Did you even read my post? Slash never implied that he gives a shit about the state of Chinese Democracy and I'm sure he didn't go out of his way to find this out. He probably heard about it, was asked about it, and answered.

[Walapino]

Well atleast we know Slash isnt inside Axl's ass anymore.
 

hehe just kidding common people stop analyzing this thing its really sad this happened to the most exiting duo in rock history. Peace.