Slash says that Axl only has a couple of songs with vocals on it

[chas]

PROVIDMAN

Let me ask; what exactly was the point you were trying to make providman?

All i saw in your posts were childish insults directed at people who thought Slash was lying or mistaken. They also said why they believed this and pointed out a couple of interviews in which the oposite was said!

Are you trying to tell us to believe anything Slash says? and take it as fact? Or are you only trying to show us that your 'love' for Slash has no boundaries?

If Slash said the world was flat, and stated it as fact would you believe him?

I know the question sounds stupid, but looking at your posts i think im right in saying your devotion to him has no limitless. Its so ironic how you come here to criticise some Axl fans, your worse, much worse. At least they 'adore' and defend Axl in a GnR forum, whilst you come to a GnR forum to attack Axl and 'defend' Slash.

What you say if a Axl fan went into the VR forums and said that VR will not make any more albums because Axl said so in an interview? You'd probably label them as a 'Axlite', Axl-lover, blind Axl wanabe etc...   Look at yourself!!! Your pathetic!!! Your exactly what you keep on complaining and whining about, a 'blind' fan who worships everything about his idol no matter if its right, wrong or whatever.

[Walapino]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

You people are nuts, Axl has already squashed all of them live on 2002 tour and Slash,Duff and Matt "I snorted half colombia" Sorum are squashing him too. I dont care who starts it or whatever both sides are pathetic. Stop taking this crap to personally cuz u dont know any of them and prolly never will. If it pisses you off then skip it dont whine.
They decided to take it this route instead of being reasonable so fuck'em.

[Imfuckincrazy]

Slash can talk about old GNR all he wnats. More power to him, and he has that right to do so. But when he continuosly says shit about Axl and the new band he is a pussy. Flat out pussy.

Well in that case, Axl is a pussy too for saying shit - that is, when he says anything at all.

And what does Slash continuously say about the new band? You call giggling at a comment that Howard Stern said "continuously talking shit"? And saying that Axl only has a couple songs with vocals on it, is being a "pussy"? So he is now a "pussy" for making a comment about the new album. I don't see the need to resort to name calling.  

Slash, if you think this new band is gay...say it...dont say some sugar coated shit.

How is this at all saying that the new band is "gay"? God, he didn't say anything against anybody or even imply that he hates the new band.

Say whats on your mind otherwise dont day shit.

And how do you know what's on his mind?

Also, I find it stupid that a lot of people say that he was lying about the VMA's (because he "had" to know about it), but now he's lying because he wouldn't know about the new band.

If Slash stated it as a fact, I don't know what exactly to believe. Of course I never knew Brian May to be a liar, but he did say that years ago.

Whatever the case, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of nothing.

[AxlFink]

thanks ChineseBedouins!!

[Imfuckincrazy]

Let me ask; what exactly was the point you were trying to make providman?

I can answer this. That people can't take what someone says as a fact - I believe that included Slash and Brian.

All i saw in your posts were childish insults directed at people who thought Slash was lying or mistaken.

Oh, and this post isn't a childish insult - saying that because he has a different opinion he basically worships Slash? You aren't doing anything different than he is.

They also said why they believed this and pointed out a couple of interviews in which the oposite was said!

That is why he pointed out that you can't take someone's word as a fact.

Are you trying to tell us to believe anything Slash says? and take it as fact? Or are you only trying to show us that your 'love' for Slash has no boundaries?

If Slash said the world was flat, and stated it as fact would you believe him?

At least they 'adore' and defend Axl in a GnR forum, whilst you come to a GnR forum to attack Axl and 'defend' Slash.

I don't believe that providman attacked Axl (correct me if I'm wrong) but yes he did attack the fans who always take everything Slash says as an insult to Axl, because when Axl does it, they think it's "cool" and okay.

What you say if a Axl fan went into the VR forums and said that VR will not make any more albums because Axl said so in an interview?

Slash, by saying that he knows there are only a couple tracks with vocals on them, didn't predict the future, though he did say that the album will come out. He only made an statement which was probably based on something he heard from someone else.

But to answer your question, yes I would accuse them of being blind for believing whatever Axl said, because Axl cannot predict the future, and anyone who thinks so would be crazy.

Your exactly what you keep on complaining and whining about

So are you.

[TK1]

I honestly don't think Slash is too concerned with what recording Axl has done.  I'm sure Slash just heard his information from a music insider that knows way more than anybody here and he probably believed it based on that person's credibility.  This is similar to how we hold Jarmo and Mysteron both in a high regard and believe much of what they say.  Many people accuse Slash of being a liar; I'm not sure that's totally true.  Both Axl and Slash have said things that aren't totally accurate and a little malicious, but that's to be expected in a way.  Axl referred to their split as a painful divorce, so obviously they both have mixed emotions toward one another that will continue until they decide to resolve them...

[Dizzy]

I'm not going to waste time wading through six pages of fatuous arguments.  I will simply address the initial post.

If you read further down the article, it says "Axl fired Slash in 1996".  Okay, we all know that is untrue.  Axl did not own the GNR name in 1996 (or before any of the former members quit) andf hence did not have the power to fire Slash.  When Slash was in the band, Axl and Slash shared equal partnership, and in that case, one member cannot legally fire another.  Sorum was a replacement, not an equal partner (as Duff one said), so Axl could fire him, but he could not fire Slash.

What I am getting at is that there is one inaccuracy in this article.  So that leads me to believe that other things in the article were either taken out of context, or misrepresented by the writer.  That's the problem with interviews, they have a tendency to take someone out of context.

Hell, isn't that what Axl was ranting about on "Get in the Ring", along with numerous rants at various live shows over the years?

If Slash did make that statement in the context it was presented, I wonder how he knows this "for a fact".

Keep in mind that NOBODY here has heard any studio songs other than "Oh My God".  Just because Axl has played other songs live doesn't mean they're fully recorded in the studio.

Brian May says Axl played 15 tracks for him?  That really doesn't mean anything.  That was a few years back, and Axl could've done anything in four years.  He could've scrapped those vocals, he could've scrapped those entire songs, and knowing Axl's propensity for ultra-perfection, he probably did.

But time will certainly tell.  If the record comes out soon, we'll know Slash was incorrect.  If it doesn't, that would indicate that Slash was correct.

But I still would like to know how Slash knows this, no matter what context his statement was in.  Not because I am challenging him, but I'd be curious to know what connections he still has to Axl.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

lets just say that those who believe Slash wouldn't knowingly make a false statement, are now bound by what Slash "knows for fact"

so... (according to what Slash "knows for fact") there are vocals on only a couple of tracks - as of June 16, 2004.

time will tell
and there won't be any denying when the time comes

this is stupid. your logic doesnt make sense. if he didn't say "for fact", would it make any difference? no. you'd still be blaming him for saying "axl only has vocals on a couple tracks". the "for fact" part is implied in that sentence regardless of whether he states it or not. the point is, its what HE believes. a person can be wrong without being a LIAR.

for example:

axl said the album would be out a couple years ago, did he not? thus, he lied, right?

what about all the other band members who said they would be releasing the album at different points in time? were they liars, or did they believe something that wasnt true because they didn't have the appropriate facts necessary to come to the correct conclusion.

and dont turn this into a game of symantics, because there have been times when they have said it WILL be out at some point, without saying "hopefully" or "maybe".

Point is, i'm just trying to show how your logic makes no sense. they are not liars just as you cannot claim slash to be a "liar" because of his statement.

what I said is not stupid.  and my logic does make sense.  His saying he knows for fact makes all the difference.  if he said he heard that Axl has vocals on only a few tracks - then so be it.  I wouldn't doubt that he heard that.  We've heard that, too.  The 'for fact' is not implied.  He states "I know this for a fact."  If he did not say it, it would not be implied.  If its what he believes, then saying you 'think' or 'believe' is not the same as saying "I know for a fact".  

I did not say his claim to "know for fact" is a lie.  
I said IF he said that without indeed actually knowing for fact, then he was misrepresenting what he knew.  

Misrepresenting that you know something to be fact, when you in fact DO NOT KNOW IT FOR FACT is lying.  IF this is the case with Slash's statment - then he is lying.  


Stating that you know about something that in the present exists in a certain state - stating that you know for fact about the state of those matters - if you do not KNOW FOR FACT about them is lying - plain and simple.

If Slash said that he "knows for a fact" that there are "only a couple of songs with vocals on it" and he really doesn't know that for fact - that is knowingly making a false statement (lying).

Oh wait.. you're going to say its not knowlingly making a false statement if that is what he thought was true when he said it.  But I'm gonna be quick to tell you that Slash is the one who went out of his way to add that he KNOWS THIS FOR A FACT and regardless of how much drugs or alcohol Slash has abused over the years and how many brain cells he may have killed - he knows the difference between saying "I think"/"I believe" and saying "I know this for a fact".

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

As far as semantics... lets get this out of the way...

Purely hypothetical (example)

June 30, 2004:  The label and GN'R agree on a release date for the album (having been mixed, mastered, etc... done.  legal issues settled, etc.) .  Lets say the release date selected/ agreed to is October 5, 2004.  

July 5, 2004:  Axl releases a statement that he "knows for a fact" that the album is going to be released October 5, 2004.

Something - ANTHING-  could happen between July 5, 2004 and October 5, 2004 that could change the planned release date.   What?  Who knows.  (As a GN'R fan we could come up with quite a few scenarios).   But the point is that it could in fact be delayed and October 5, 2004 could come and go without a release.  Would that make Axl a liar.  No.  Because in my hypothetical scenario here, Axl said what he in fact truthfully did know for fact on the date he made the statement.

Making statements about planned events that don't take place does not mean that a person who made any such statement lied about the facts that they knew.  Saying what you know (and those things that you know indeed being actual facts) at the time that you say it - and then the plans changing after the fact - does not make what you said a lie.

[phaseONE]

Eva, you wanna talk facts, lets talk facts........

YOUR beloved axl rose said back when he played rock in rio something along the lines of " well be back here next summer with a whole bunch of new songs " , i cant be arsed to look for an actual quote of the exact words he used because im not that sad but i know im pretty close to what HE said as a fact!

Well, next summer came and no new songs , and so did the next summer, and the one after that.......

Stop talking shit eva, get a life, dont beleive EVERYTHING  you read, axls shit doesnt smell of roses, just like slash`s doesnt, and to be honest, nobody with an ounce of sanity left in their heads really gives a fuck what slash said or what axl said.

Its all about the music and getting out there and doing something .

Axl hasnt produced anything , slash and co has.

[Imfuckincrazy]

Making statements about planned events that don't take place does not mean that a person who made any such statement lied about the facts that they knew.

That's the problem though - it's not a planned event. This is about the state of the album now.

I want to know how he knows this for a fact, because I don't think Axl and Slash both sat down to listen to them the way that he and Brian May did. He probably took what someone said as a fact. Or like Dizzy said, the interviewer could have made a mistake.

I also think it is possible that he only has a couple tracks with vocals, because I do know someone who said that Axl was having trouble perfecting the vocals - BUT I don't know what that means. He could only have two tracks of vocals or he could be just doing finishing touches.  

And before anyone says that I'm just trying to prove that Slash is right, I'm not. I'm only saying that it is possible that he is right and shouldn't automatically be called a liar.

But anyway, if Axl releases the album anytime soon, we can then discuss whether or not Slash was lying.

[Buddha_Master]

But why did Slash make this statement? I think thats the question. Why does he have to offer this information...to Rolling Stone no less? He didnt have the balls to give his source though.

This goes way WAY beyond Axl saying Slash could suck his dick. This is attacking Axl on a business level. He is attacking the mans livelyhood. It helps, along with the Stern appearance to paint a very unfair picture of Axl. He has to know full well that Axl, being Axl, is going to have to respond to these accusations.

If he is asked a particular question, be real about it. But if your not asked shit, why offer something from a supposed insider. What was the point for him saying this? Anyway this for them is all about business, and Slash should do a little thinking when he opens his mouth, especially in regards to (what I guess is just) a rumor that he heard. That is low, and especially from a member of GNR who got hit left and right with bullshit rumors. Now he's going to create his own about Axl.

[younggunner]

Well in that case, Axl is a pussy too for saying shit - that is, when he says anything at all.

No, because atleast he says whats on his mind. He doesnt pussyfoot around anything. And your last sentence says it all.

You call giggling at a comment that Howard Stern said "continuously talking shit"? And saying that Axl only has a couple songs with vocals on it, is being a "pussy"? So he is now a "pussy" for making a comment about the new album. I don't see the need to resort to name calling.  

No, I didnt say that ...I said because Slash on one hand says  how "he doesnt care about Gnr/axl and what they are doing, etc." yet on the other hand he says oh its fact that he only has a few vocals on some songs. Well buddy which is it.

Whatever the case, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of nothing.

Its a big deal because when peopel disagree with Slash, all the slash come out and state how poor ol innoscent slash is just saying what he heard. Why should anyone think what Slash says is true or accurate? Afterall he says he knows nothing about axl and gnr and cares to know nothing? So why even say it?

But time will certainly tell.  If the record comes out soon, we'll know Slash was incorrect.  If it doesn't, that would indicate that Slash was correct.

No, just becaus eGnr doesnt release anything soon doesnt mean jack shit to what SLahs has said. Why should someone who has said numerous times that he has no knowledge or doesnt even care about the situation "facts" outweigh or higher than someone who actually was there and heard the material with their own ears?

Stop talking shit eva, get a life, dont beleive EVERYTHING  you read, axls shit doesnt smell of roses, just like slash`s doesnt, and to be honest, nobody with an ounce of sanity left in their heads really gives a fuck what slash said or what axl said.

Its all about the music and getting out there and doing something .

Axl hasnt produced anything , slash and co has.

No, why dont you get a life. Eva has a great life and you dont need to be talking to her like that.

I agree its all about the music. But just because one person is has done something doesnt mean shit. Good for VR. They made an album in a yr. Whippty doo...Quite Frankly its an average album.But thats for another topic.

All I ask you is what if CD is a masterpiece. Who is anyone to say when or how long an artist should take to release something. Escpecially when theres so much more going into it than just making and recording an album......
But if quanity is better than quality thats your opinion

[AxlGunner]

um, does anyone realize that axl is the only one working on this album right now. everyone else is doing their own thing. hence, axl's parts are the ones that are being worked on. hence, vocals arent done. hence, i bet vocals arent done on any of the tracks yet. its been like this for the past several years. axl wont add vocals until everything else is done. that brian may interview is really old, and the vocals could be really poor quality demo shit for all we know.

also, off topic, youngunner, you say not to tell eva to get alife cuz she doesnt deserve that kind of talk, but when someone else in this thread tells someone to get a life and go get laid, you dont come to their defense because thats disrespectful?

btw, i take back the "stupid" comment eva, but there is no need to make it seem like a contest between people who believe slash versus axl, which is how you portrayed it. this discussion about vocals shouldnt involve personal attacks on people's characters, because we are not in a position to know what is true and what is not.

also, there's no way slash volunteered this info out of hte blue, i'm sure the reporter asked him about axl and that was his response. if someone asks him something, he is allowed to answer whatever he wants. he doesnt give a shit about what axl thinks, pissing axl off, etc- at the same time, he does not hold the same amount of anger at axl that axl holds towards him, which is precisely why he doesnt say things like "the new band is gay". its not because he's a pussy, its because he doesnt really think much about the old band- is that too hard to understand??? if you are going to criticize anyone, it would be axl for not letting go of his anger towards the old guys. (aka: they can suck my dick).

[YouCouldBeMine]

Wait let me get this strait, the guy who couldnt even get into a nu-GnR show says that Axl only has a couple of vocals.....riiiiiight.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Eva, you wanna talk facts, lets talk facts........

sure, no problem... facts  
Slash likes talking facts.
Facts are cool.

YOUR beloved axl rose said back when he played rock in rio something along the lines of " well be back here next summer with a whole bunch of new songs " , i cant be arsed to look for an actual quote of the exact words he used because im not that sad but i know im pretty close to what HE said as a fact!

Well, next summer came and no new songs , and so did the next summer, and the one after that.......

It is a fact that Axl said they'd be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs.
Yep, he said that.  It is a fact that he said that.  You say it is what "HE said as a fact"... However, how can something that did not yet take place be considered (or be claimed) "as a fact"?  A fact is something that either a) exists b)existed.

(Fact is defined as: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed.)

Future events can be planned.  And the existense of those plans can be considered fact.
But the future event itself is not a fact unless and until it occurs.

Stop talking shit eva

I'm not talking shit.  I have stated my views quite clerly and coherently.  Thats a fact.
btw... even if I were talking 'shit' and you told me to stop, I would not.
You didn't even say 'please'.  Its a known fact that people are more prone to comply to requests when asked in a polite manner.  

get a life,

You are saying I don't have a life.  I do have a life, thank you very much.  So that is not a fact.
You are being very rude.  That is a fact.

dont beleive EVERYTHING  you read,

now you are assuming I believe "EVERYTHING" I read.  Assumptions are not facts.
and it sounds like you are telling me what to do.  Thats not a fact or an opinion.
That is just plain obnoxious.

axls shit doesnt smell of roses, just like slash`s doesnt,

ooo  you got a fact in your arguement.  
Shit does not smell like roses.  Fact.  very good phaseONE

and to be honest, nobody with an ounce of sanity left in their heads really gives a fuck what slash said or what axl said.

aw... there ya go again.  
thats not a fact phaseONE
there are thousands and thousands of people who are interested in what Slash and Axl have to say
Don't know if I have any proof to offer... but I think Rolling Stone magazine interviewed Slash because they might have some idea about what interests people  -  seeing how they have a circulation of  1.25 million per issue its safe to say that not all of their interested readers are lacking "an ounce of sanity"

and well obviously, I give a fuck.  And I have at least an ounce of sanity in my head
although you imply that I don't... which again - is not talking facts at all now is it?    
Hm... matter of fact, I think its safe to say that you are insulting me.  
And I thought you wanted to discuss facts  


 

Its all about the music and getting out there and doing something .

If thats ALL 'it' was about - then why does Rolling Stone Magazine circulate 1.25 million issues every week?  And anyway - Slash is the one talking about Axl's project.  So don't tell me what its about.  And if you came to a message board to discuss music and this 'shit' doesn't interest you, why are you reading and posting replies about what I've said.   Oh, thats right. Because you wanted to discuss facts.  Well, you did a bang up job of that, now, didn't you?  

Axl hasnt produced anything , slash and co has.

aw, you were this close...
What you said is not a fact.  What you said is an assumption.  (one I disagree with).
Axl hasn't released an album.  Slash has.  Now, that there is how you state a fact.

I believe that Axl will release an album - and that's a fact (that I believe he will).



edit: corrected formatting

[chas]

Let me ask; what exactly was the point you were trying to make providman?

I can answer this. That people can't take what someone says as a fact - I believe that included Slash and Brian.

All i saw in your posts were childish insults directed at people who thought Slash was lying or mistaken.

Oh, and this post isn't a childish insult - saying that because he has a different opinion he basically worships Slash? You aren't doing anything different than he is.

They also said why they believed this and pointed out a couple of interviews in which the oposite was said!

That is why he pointed out that you can't take someone's word as a fact.

Are you trying to tell us to believe anything Slash says? and take it as fact? Or are you only trying to show us that your 'love' for Slash has no boundaries?

If Slash said the world was flat, and stated it as fact would you believe him?

At least they 'adore' and defend Axl in a GnR forum, whilst you come to a GnR forum to attack Axl and 'defend' Slash.

I don't believe that providman attacked Axl (correct me if I'm wrong) but yes he did attack the fans who always take everything Slash says as an insult to Axl, because when Axl does it, they think it's "cool" and okay.

What you say if a Axl fan went into the VR forums and said that VR will not make any more albums because Axl said so in an interview?

Slash, by saying that he knows there are only a couple tracks with vocals on them, didn't predict the future, though he did say that the album will come out. He only made an statement which was probably based on something he heard from someone else.

But to answer your question, yes I would accuse them of being blind for believing whatever Axl said, because Axl cannot predict the future, and anyone who thinks so would be crazy.

Your exactly what you keep on complaining and whining about

So are you.

How exactly you interpret  "Well if Slash says there's only a few songs with vocals, & says he knows it for a fact, that's good enough for me."  as him saying that you can't take what someone says as fact is beyond me. I may be wrong, but i think its best if he answers it for himself.

I have not said whether i think Slash attacked Axl or if he is talking about the present or the past situation with GnR, Ozzycat on a topic in the VR section said that Slashs comments were taken out of context, so i have asked him to see if he can provide a more detailed transcript of the interview.

If you see what he posted on this topic, his only intent is attacking GnR fans and their opinions. You are right he has not attacked Axl or GnR, but just read any other post of his 200 and you'll see where im coming from. It is clear his agenda is to constantly bitch about the band and its fans, if you don't want to see this its not my problem. I think every GnR and VR fan in this forum would agree with me. I mean how can you complain about someone believing everything Axl says when you (meaning provid) does exactly the same, only difference being his idol is Slash.

Im sure no-one at the VR sites likes a 'hardcore/blind' Axl fan at their forums constantly insulting its members and the band they like.

[riotact_vancity]

here's the link.  

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=6185031&pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single2

Read the 10th paragraph.

Mysteryon... you know anything about this?  or anyone??

Hope this isn't true


Edit by Will: link fixed

i posted this a couple months ago from a story a guy told me on another board. he was an engineer for Chinese Democracy and some people here did some detective work and figured he was legit. A day later the guy got a hold of me and asked me if i coul;d delete everything i posted because he was coming under intense pressure and was afraid of being blacklisted, as he put it "i want to work in this town again". Not the kind of response one gets from a band to deny the story. As it goes, i think mysteron contacted the label and asked or however he has his inside knowledge, i assume told who it was and they came down on the guy.

the guy said there's basically however many songs with scratch vox which he explained as demo vocals, just humming the melody so the band knows where to come in etc.....judging by the reaction he gave me, the label lost it on him, i can only guess because he gave away secrets.....

i asked jarmo to delete the thread so don't bother going to look for it.

[Dizzy]

there's no way slash volunteered this info out of hte blue, i'm sure the reporter asked him about axl and that was his response. if someone asks him something, he is allowed to answer whatever he wants. he doesnt give a shit about what axl thinks, pissing axl off, etc- at the same time, he does not hold the same amount of anger at axl that axl holds towards him, which is precisely why he doesnt say things like "the new band is gay". its not because he's a pussy, its because he doesnt really think much about the old band- is that too hard to understand??? if you are going to criticize anyone, it would be axl for not letting go of his anger towards the old guys. (aka: they can suck my dick).

I want to add something to this post.....

People say they "respect" Axl for speaking his mind, no matter what he says.  I say that's a laughable reason to respect anyone, no matter who it is.  If all you do is sputter negativity and insults at other people, you don't deserve one damn iota of respect, no matter how honest you're being.

And AxlGunner's post is correct, you'll notice that Slash only speaks about Axl when he's asked.  Axl doesn't do that.  Rather, he has sputtered venom at every turn onstage during his 2002 tour and the previous shows.

Why?  Because he's obviously bitter, and he's attempting to get the fans to take his side.  Axl's interviews of the last few years are much better, because he doesn't call names.  He presents his side of the story, which is fine.  Axl is entitled to his side of the story, he is entitled to present his side of the story, and his side of the story is just as valid as the other sides (even though I personally may not agree with some of the things he says).

But all the enraged rants (a la "suck my dick!") do not constitute "Axl presenting his side of the story".  What he is doing there is trying to get the fans to take sides, trying to pit them against the former members, because he displays these paranoid delusions that everybody is out to get him, and he tries to convince the fans that these delusions are reality.  And it seems many people have indeed been convinced and have adopted Axl's mentality.  They assume that because Axl is bitter and angry at his former bandmates, his former bandmates must also feel the same way about him.  And the reality is, they probably don't.  They probably just feel (as Slash said) their relationship with Axl ran its course, and that's the end of the story.

And even if they did feel bitter and resentful towards about Axl....well, let's hypothetically assume that Slash is out to get Axl and would love to make Axl-esque statements to him.

To paraphrase something Eva once said, "I would respect Slash more if he came out and said 'suck my dick', at least he'd be honest then."

Firstly, do any of you really believe that the reason Axl is making flagrantly nasty and provocative statement such as those is to defend the good name of "honesty"?  Do you believe that honesty is the sole motivating factor behind his rants?  I don't think any of you believe that Axl rants in the name of honesty, so it's pointless to respect him just for being honest anyhow.

Secondly, I could not disagree more with Eva's statement.  Even if Slash really wanted to say "Axl can suck my dick!" onstage, I would have no respect for him if he did.  I don't give a damn if he would've been displaying more honesty or not.  I would not respect him for blatantly trying to get the fans to take sides, for blatantly trying to turn the fans into Axl haters, for blatantly trying to stir up a shit pot which doesn't need to be stirred -- because the overactive imaginations of certain 'fans' are damn sure already stirring it, and I'm talking about both sides when I say that; both the "Slash is a liar" crowd and the "Fuck Axl Rose" chanters.

Back to the point, I respect Slash because he doesn't come out onstage and air his dirty laundry, because he doesn't come onstage and try to force-feed his opinions of Axl to the fans.  The fact that when Slash comes onstage, he focuses on what he is there to do, play a show and entertain the fans, and leaves his personal issues with Axl as just that...personal matters between himself and Axl, and doesn't bring them onstage.  He only speaks of Axl when asked, and actually, that's the only thing I don't like about Slash, the fact that he even bothers to answer the same old questions about Axl at all, when he should just tell the reporters/interviews that he doesn't want to discuss that anymore, because he's discussed it to death.

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No, because atleast he says whats on his mind. He doesnt pussyfoot around anything. And your last sentence says it all.

Again, how do you know what is on his mind?

No, I didnt say that ...I said because Slash on one hand says  how "he doesnt care about Gnr/axl and what they are doing, etc." yet on the other hand he says oh its fact that he only has a few vocals on some songs. Well buddy which is it.

How does relating something he heard from someone else to an interviewer "caring" about the music, or even caring at all? That doesn't mean he cares enough to hear the album. He was asked, and he told what he knew about it. Just because you don't think he should have said anything about it at all, doesn't make what he said untrue.
 

Its a big deal because when peopel disagree with Slash, all the slash come out and state how poor ol innoscent slash is just saying what he heard.

Not many people did say he was correct in saying that, but only that it is a possibility that it's true, and if it's not, it doesn't make him a liar. If he knows that it isn't true, why would he say it? What would be the point?

Why should anyone think what Slash says is true or accurate? Afterall he says he knows nothing about axl and gnr and cares to know nothing?

He probably knows people who are in touch with Axl or people who know someone who is. A lot of these rumors get out to people. If he said it was a fact, I'm almost inclined to believe him. He said he knows it as a fact, so I'd take that over anyone's opinions here.

No, just becaus eGnr doesnt release anything soon doesnt mean jack shit to what SLahs has said.

If it comes out soon, then we will know that what he said was most likely incorrect. If it doesn't then we will know that he could have been correct. So no, it wouldn't prove anything, but it would still give us an idea of whether or not it could have been true or not.

Why should someone who has said numerous times that he has no knowledge or doesnt even care about the situation "facts" outweigh or higher than someone who actually was there and heard the material with their own ears?

No one said that Slash's word outweighs Brian's, and I wouldn't, because I would seriously believe anything that Brian says, because I think if anything was untrue, or even a rumor, Brian wouldn't say it. I don't know Slash personally. BUT, Brian said that YEARS ago and things could have changed. I wonder if Brian would say the same thing now. Probably not. Axl could have started all over, and I really wouldn't be surpirsed if he did, being the perfectionist that he is.