The legacy of Use Your Illusion

[jarmo]

Booker, just FYI, most artiststhink their latest album is the best one they've made and just perfect in every way.

It's later that they discover the things that are wrong....


So isn't it possible that Axl was happy about it in 1992 but ten years later he thought the albums weren't as good as he might've wanted them to be?




/jarmo

[younggunner]

"Everything on that record is exactly the f*cking way we wanted it. I can find a couple of points where a note wasn't quite in time, and a couple of things like that, but everything came out the way we wanted it." - Axl (Metallix, 1992)

and looking back affter the dust has settled Im sure Axl is probably not satisfied with how some of the Illusion songs came out. Same with the rest of the band. Im suree you can find quotes of Slash and Duff talking how the Illusions was what they wanted when it was released. But years later commenting how it was too polished or produced or whatever for them....

[Bridge]

Booker, just FYI, most artiststhink their latest album is the best one they've made and just perfect in every way.

It's later that they discover the things that are wrong....


So isn't it possible that Axl was happy about it in 1992 but ten years later he thought the albums weren't as good as he might've wanted them to be?

Just some insight from having read some of the Booker/Dave debates......I think dave has pointed out many times of Slash's alleged "contradictions" from things he said way back when. ?I think this plays into Booker's mentioning of this issue. ?This is something Axl said way back when, and now he contradicts that.

Im suree you can find quotes of Slash and Duff talking how the Illusions was what they wanted when it was released. But years later commenting how it was too polished or produced or whatever for them....

Yeah and see this is what I meant.  im sure dave would call the two of them liars if he uncovered those quotes, and now Booker is showing how Axl has done the same thing.

[jarmo]

This is something Axl said way back when, and now he contradicts that.

Yeah...

But do you really want to make this thread a Axl vs Slash thing?




/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

Just some insight from having read some of the Booker/Dave debates......I think dave has pointed out many times of Slash's alleged "contradictions" from things he said way back when. ?I think this plays into Booker's mentioning of this issue. ?This is something Axl said way back when, and now he contradicts that.

Yes, thats partially the reason. ?Another reason would be Daves own misinformed claims: "Axl always said the UYIs were not finished to his liking." ?The quote I used proves that to be untrue. ?

So anybody trying to discuss the content of that quote with me is missing the point. ?Im not the one contending Axls a liar based on some contradictory statements...

[Captain P?l]

Im suree you can find quotes of Slash and Duff talking how the Illusions was what they wanted when it was released. But years later commenting how it was too polished or produced or whatever for them....

Yeah and see this is what I meant.  im sure dave would call the two of them liars if he uncovered those quotes, and now Booker is showing how Axl has done the same thing.

but then again, you just dont trash your own album once you release it... if they say it sucks and is overpolished people would have heard that and didnt buy it... so wheter they are lying or not, they said what they had to say 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Most of the weaker songs on the UYIs that people dont like that much anymore were either Duffs or Slashs babies. Most of Axls songs cept for the few have stood the test of time.?

Okay, that post is just lame, a blatant off-topic attempt to aggrandize Axl and to slam Slash and Duff.

...Meet dave-gnfnr2k

By the way Dave, no response to my earlier post?

Axl always said the UYIs were not finished to his liking

"Everything on that record is exactly the f*cking way we wanted it. I can find a couple of points where a note wasn't quite in time, and a couple of things like that, but everything came out the way we wanted it." - Axl (Metallix, 1992)

Booker um we all know Axl said later that he was not really? happy with the UYIs. So there is nothing more to say now is there? OH and sue me for semantics for saying always instead of axl later said the UYIs were not quite finished to his liking.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Just some insight from having read some of the Booker/Dave debates......I think dave has pointed out many times of Slash's alleged "contradictions" from things he said way back when. ?I think this plays into Booker's mentioning of this issue. ?This is something Axl said way back when, and now he contradicts that.

Yes, thats partially the reason. ?Another reason would be Daves own misinformed claims: "Axl always said the UYIs were not finished to his liking." ?The quote I used proves that to be untrue. ?

So anybody trying to discuss the content of that quote with me is missing the point. ?Im not the one contending Axls a liar based on some contradictory statements...

Again with the lying thing. I am really tired of trying to explain this to you. That is why I just ignore you when you bring it up. I am tired of spelling it out for you and you keep proving my point.

But Ill say it again since you are really slow at understanding things. Its one thing to change your mind about a subjective thing like a song or album. If someone says AFD is my fave album then later say UYI is my fave album are they lying? NO.

But if someone changes history and lies about things that happened in the past then its a lie. For example, Axl never wrote any of the music in guns n roses. That is a lie.  Where as the I was not really happy with the UYIs was more changing his mind that something could have been better.

Is it really that hard t o explain? I guess for you it is.

[RichardNixon]

Wouldn't it be great if the UYI albums were remixed, remastered, and re-released? A sort of "Use Your Illusion...Naked." It could redeem the albums for those who believe that they are overproduced.

[Buddha_Master]

uck dude, I totally said that! I totally fucking had that thought minutes after I heard Let It Be...Naked.

So fuck yea that would be a dream. UYI...Naked

You know how infinitely better these would be then the orignial releases. It would be so fucking sweet.

You know what would be funny? If UYI...Naked did come out, and we discovered that My World is really an acoustic track? Anyfuckingways, if the powers that be want to truly release a quality product that would be a critical and commenrcial hit, they would release this. It would be embraced by the fans unlike the greatest hits. Make it so! Say it loud.

...say it loud.

[IronMaiden415]

Appetite was great and all but Use Your Illusion was by far supirior because it had all members working up to their full potential and contributing more. also, there's a wide variey of songs which bring out their musical influeneces more. Its a masterpiece probably one of the most underrated peices in rock n' roll.