EOnline Planet Gossip article about CD

[jarmo]

If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible.


I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else.





/jarmo

wouldnt it be pointless though if its just to create hype?
I mean why play it to the execs if geffen/interscope already have the rights to cd...
I mean creating hype for cd? is that really any more necessary, whats the most they can benefit without releasing to much information, which they havent done
here, theyve only said 6 songs? The whole story seems true, yet somewhat fishy...

I wasn't talking specifically about this cd.

Just in general.




/jarmo

[bazgnr]

If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible.


I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else.





/jarmo

wouldnt it be pointless though if its just to create hype?
I mean why play it to the execs if geffen/interscope already have the rights to cd...
I mean creating hype for cd? is that really any more necessary, whats the most they can benefit without releasing to much information, which they havent done
here, theyve only said 6 songs? The whole story seems true, yet somewhat fishy...

I wasn't talking specifically about this cd.

Just in general.




/jarmo

But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation.  Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news...

[jarmo]

But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation.  Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news...

That's true.

If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines...





/jarmo

[gunns1]

But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation.  Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news...

That's true.

If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines...





/jarmo

and it will also aid in "silencing any critics' so to speak,

and in turn, it might generate the kind of interest in some people who might believe in it as far as to go to mabye help being apart of the album in some way
either investing in it by helping with funds... i.e promotion? magazines? Rs .....

who knows, but chinese democracy is the cheese on the mouse trap and the world is the rat...

[sandman]

IF it's true that Axl has played songs for "industry honchos," the benefit has already been realized. it's been mentioned in an article by a major entertainment news source that those execs really like the music. so a positive buzz is now being passed on to the general public.

also, there are still people that work for the record labels who are paid to generate buzz and get songs played on the radio.

my guess is that it had nothing to do with letting other record labels hear the music to potentially sell it to them.

[RnT]

Guns N' Roses fans, the more-than-a-decade-in the-making album Chinese Democracy really does seem to be getting very close to a release date.

No, really. This is what I'm hearing:

Axl Rose & Co. have recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks, according to a music executive who has heard the songs.

The exec raved about the music. ?It?s really good,? he said. ?Axl?s voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it?s not.?

Reps didn?t talk about exact release dates, according to my source, but they implied it could still happen by the end of the year. (Yes, I know we've heard this before.)

Just last week, Rose announced on the official Guns N? Roses website that the band hired a new management team headed by heavyweights Irving Azoff and Andy Gould.

The band?s last original recordings, Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, were released in 1991. Since their debut in 1985, they have sold an estimated 90 million albums worldwide.


http://www.eonline.com/gossip/planetgossip/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2ec9c617-6394-40e3-bd9e-29cd304270b5

Let?s say that by October CD is released... Beta didn?t say that they wanted to release the album BEFORE last Christmans ??
That the albums was already finished ... So... 1 whole year with the album finished and getting "ready" to release?
 

[Oh My Choking Soul]

If this story is true, it just shows that the album definitely is done and the priority is to get it out as soon as possible.


I thought certain people are played tracks from forthcoming albums albums all the time. To keep them updated, to create hype etc. Not necessarily because you're trying to sell the album to somebody else.





/jarmo

That is true.

[Nytunz]

Ahh! This is really good news! Since its from Eonline, there is a good chance there is truth to it!
But, could they have already startet some kind of promotion tour or something? I guss that might bee a bit too early
I remember when Tool released 10 000 days, they travled around letting people in the media listen to it. I guess this was
a couple of month before they released it in the recordshops...

[faldor]

This seems like some reporter just trying to cash in on the recent buzz that GNR has created.  I mean, the 6 songs are most likely the songs that've been in circulation for years now.  I guess Axl could've delivered the goods himself or had someone do it for him.  Just seems like the timing was right for this story, that's all.  I wouldn't put too much into it.

[LIGuns]

Marc Malkin of E! Online reports that Axl Rose has recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks from GUNS N' ROSES long-awaited new album "Chinese Democracy", according to a music executive who has heard the songs.

The exec raved about the music. "It's really good," he said. "Axl's voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it's not."

I wonder if they are songs other than what has been heard..

[gunns1]

already a thread.............

[russtcb]

Marc Malkin of E! Online reports that Axl Rose has recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks from GUNS N' ROSES long-awaited new album "Chinese Democracy", according to a music executive who has heard the songs.

The exec raved about the music. "It's really good," he said. "Axl's voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it's not."

I wonder if they are songs other than what has been heard..

I was wondering that yesterday but I guess it doesn't really matter overall. As long as the reaction from record execs is good, then it'll all help forward progression I would think.

[ToonGuns]

this is great, and I think its true, I mean Its not april fools day anymore so I cant see them going to the trouble of making up a story from nothing,
at least some of it must be true....

the 6 songs the execs heard however could just be:
studio vers of
madagascar
twat,
the blues
better
IRS
chinese democracy

All of which maybe singles or that have possiblities for Advertisments of somekind (we know Better was linked with Harley Davidson - CD (the song) and the Olympic Games perhaps???) they would without doubt be looking to monies beyond CD (the album) sales. Given the band has new management, it isn't inconcieveable that they have "their" contacts/team that "they " trust/work with. In life its often not what you know, but who you know, the changes announced lately point that the changes will have a knock on effect.

If anything, this may delay the release by a week or two, BUT and its a big BUT, the fresh eyes looking over whats been already done (and I don't mean studio stuff!!) will add to what promises to be a great new era in the life of Guns n' Fuckin' Roses for ALL who are involved. 

That's interesting..! Nobody else has really picked up on the fact that the Olympic Games are this year and in China! Could be a timing thing Axl's working on there...

[ppbebe]

Nobody else has really picked up on the fact that the Olympic Games are this year and in China!

No shit! We did as early as in 2005. search this board for Beijing/Peking/china Olympic 08/08/08. 

[CheapJon]

when libertad and white stripes last records got released last year, the bands record company had people listening to some songs and tested som songs so that they'd know which songs would fit as singles, at least i remember i read about that so it problaby pretty common, and maybe if this is true this was about that


if ya knowz wh00t me meanz

[HBK]

It's really good," he said ".

"Axl's voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary. You expect it to be a trainwreck, but it's not."

GET Ready For This

 

HBK *

[suicide]

If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines...

Hey Axl, I really really really doubt the album's existence, please come over to prove me wrong!

[freedom78]

But in the case of this CD, perhaps "hearing is believing" for some within the industry, giving them an opportunity to separate myth from reality, as well as generate anticipation.  Assuming it's true, it can't be anything but good news...

That's true.

If you show people, who doubt the album's existence, that they're wrong, hopefully they won't be as inclined to keep repeating the same old lines...





/jarmo

Random thought, but could hearing the product be a way to recruit potential opening acts from other labels for a tour?  I don't mean to start a rumor, but it seems like someone would be more likely to sign on if their label believes any upcoming tour (again...NOT starting a rumor) is less of a "nostalgia" tour (for lack of a better word) and a tour promoting a new album that's high quality and likely to draw new fans to the show.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I don't understand why he would have to play it for execs?  Doesn't he already have a company that hes going to release it through?  Makes no sense to me....

They are probably playing songs to people who are respected in the music industry to gauge reactions and decide what songs to release as singles and that sort of thing.  We know the album is finished, but they may have 4 or 5 songs they're considering to release as the lead single.  Obviously they want to make absolutely sure the first single is a big hit with legs

[crazycheryl]

I know that I do not post often, but I'm on here all of the time.  Considering that there is no recognition of a reporter or any sort of clearly identifiable source, I find this diffucult to hold true.  We've all ready heard 6 tracks "supposedly from CD", considering there may be multiple albums.  This merely seems like an attempt for an irreputible news source  to use the recent Guns N' Roses announcements as filler stories.  I highly doubt anyone that they have contact with has heard 6 new GNR songs, let alone the finalized versions of the 6 leaks that we have.  There is no way Axl, or Universal, or his mgmt, would let any formidable information leak through some hackneyed newsource.  If this news were to first break through a mass media outlet, not counting the internet, it would be Rolling Stone Magazine, unless a bidding war insued.  If it were to count the internet the first sign we would see is a revamped website and an announcement of CD. 
Also, it could be in Axl's contract w/ his mgmt or Universal, that he is the first one to announce anything dealing with the release of CD, which is more than likely the case.  I do not mean to come off as an ass, I'm merely using what I've learned in my music industry classes, and my impressions of Axl and CD.
I may be the first to bring this up, but marketing may not be the reason that the album is being held up.  It is more than likely recoupment by the record company. (For those who don't know, recoupment is the money the record company takes off the top of album sales to get back their initial investement in producing and distribuitng the album.)  For most A-list artists like GN'R the break-even point for the record company is somewhere around 500,000 copies, but given the nature of CD the break even point is much higher, since the album is somewhere around $15 million in the making.  In addition, Universal would only get touring, merchandising, and/or publishing rights  if they were to have a career-coventure with Axl/GN'R, which is highly unlikely.  Also, given the announcement of his highly accredited mgmt team, they probably bargained for 20% or maybe more, of Axl's earnings, which are taken off his gross earnings.  (15-10% off gross is standard for top earning artists.)  This will also play a crucial role in the final release, determining how many formats it will have and how much promotion it will have, since theses are the two major roles the record company plays, which determines how much more money they need to invest.

There is a writer on the story - it is Marc Malkin's column and he says he has a source - of course he isn't going to name such person - journalists reporting any news aren't supposed to snitch on their sources. And I seriously doubt this would be filler material - why do filler material on Axl and CD? Wouldn't that be like shooting yourself in the foot? Especially considering the time it has taken for this disc to come out? He could have discussed J. Lo's babies or something trivial. Not something fans have been waiting for so long. Let's mess with the GNR fans and make up some bs. Yeah that sounds like fun. Not.