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Title: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: FunkyMonkey on January 24, 2016, 07:47:20 PM
He says why he left, I've transcribed some of the interview below:


DJ Ashba Interview WMMR

January 22, 2016

You played with Guns N' Roses until recently.

Dj Ashba: I did, I did. Another one of my favorite bands growing up. Six years I think it was, something like that.

Have you heard all the talk about Coachella with Guns N' Roses?

DJ: As a fan myself I couldn't be more stoked for the fan base. They've waited a long time for this to happen. It's so good that it's happening. I couldn't be happier for the fans.

It was one of those thing they were told would never happen.

DJ: Laughs, yeah yeah.

I suppose had to be pretty draining doing Sixx: A.M., Guns N' Roses, having a family. Doing all those things at once is probably overwhelming.

DJ: It was, it was a lot of work. But I've got to be honest ya know. I had the time of my life, I am beyond grateful to share the stage and had so many memories and met so many great fans out there. It was just a great time in my life.

However, we did this latest Sixx: A.M. run and it really just kind of made me go, wait a second, there's a huge difference playing somebody else's songs and playing my own. You know what I mean, I just felt every note I hit. Wow this is where I need to be. It was that tour that made me realize I had to go back to what I'm really about. I'm really really stoked.

Audio here at 3:20: http://wmmr.com/episodes/dj-ashba-of-sixxa-m-jaxon-interview/







Edit by jarmo: I changed the subject to be less misleading and putting words in Dj's mouth. Original topic:  DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs -> Dj Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs

Edited to add the direct quote.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 24, 2016, 08:05:08 PM
I'm happy for DJ.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: JAEBALL on January 24, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
If he and Ron bowing out played a big role in Axl finally saying OK to this then I truly can't thank each of them enough.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 24, 2016, 08:12:32 PM
No offense to Ron, or DJ, but I'm more excited about Guns' future as opposed to their reasons behind leaving lol


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on January 24, 2016, 08:28:44 PM
No one can fault a musician for this type of decision. 6 years is a long time. He hinted often about hearing some of Axl's ideas on piano and wanting to "put his stamp" on some of it and record with these guys. Bumble was the same way - saying "this band needs to make an album now" ... DJ was a cool part of the band...


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: FunkyMonkey on January 24, 2016, 08:44:55 PM
DJ ASHBA 'Couldn't Be Happier' About Partial Reunion Of GUNS N' ROSES' Classic Lineup

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dj-ashba-couldnt-be-happier-about-partial-reunion-of-guns-n-roses-classic-lineup/



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on January 24, 2016, 08:50:15 PM
Axl clearly wasn't interested in creating new music, in any immediate timeframe, with Ron and DJ.  He may have been planning to release CD 2 soon, but if DJ and Ron weren't willing to tour behind it without adding new songs they they helped write, Axl probably felt it was better to move forward in a new direction.  

Wonder if Axl can be inspired to write with Slash and Duff again, in a way he hasn't been in a long time?  I guess we can at least say we have renewed hope that he will catch his muse again.  But I also just hope Axl doesn't shelve CD 2 material indefinitely.  

Thanks Funky for posting here  :peace:


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 24, 2016, 08:56:13 PM
I'm guess but I'd bet the label would be very behind an Axl/Slash/Duff GNR record


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Voodoochild on January 24, 2016, 09:11:29 PM
Wonder if Axl can be inspired to write with Slash and Duff again, in a way he hasn't been in a long time?  I guess we can at least say we have renewed hope that he will catch his muse again.
I think he might. He was cleraly inspired by 1999 with Paul and Robin and soon after, when Buckethead joined. With Slash and Duff back, he may get this again.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Continental_Drift on January 24, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Huge Dj Ashba fan. Loved his tenure in Guns. Thought he brought a lot of energy/enthusiasm to the gig- and it was cool (IMHO) to have someone attached to the band that had also had some contemporary/modern rock success with Sixx: A.M. That said- I think Dj made the best choice for himself (hard to argue with his logic assuming Nikki really does make Sixx: A.M. his top priority)- and also for rock fans globally- by stepping aside and creating the opening for Slash (whether directly or indirectly)...


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: OscarAxl22 on January 24, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
DJ wasn't my cup of tea for guns guns. IMO he did a reasonable job and was always a team player. Leaving guns to do his own thing was fine by me, i have no bad word to say for him, but if he did do this in part to allow a smoother transition for Slash to come back in, then my hat goes off to him. Classy play.

In the end, no matter how we got to this point, I'm just grateful it has. Wish him all the best for future endeavors.



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Princess Leia on January 25, 2016, 01:11:38 AM
So the guy didn?t want to play somebody else?s music. Yet he spent like 5 years in the band doing it?

 ???


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: D on January 25, 2016, 01:36:09 AM
DJ was fantastic and loved him wayyyyy better than Robin, who I couldn't stand.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: zombux on January 25, 2016, 03:12:32 AM
totally can't blame DJ for anything. he was always cool and no wonder he pulls out, because he had no chance to record and play his stuff, just like BBF. glad to see he's fine with it, similarly to Tommy. I don't think we ever see DJ make a guest appearance at GNR show, after all he was never featured at any recording, but oh well, we still can enjoy Sixx:A.M.  :peace:


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: kaasupoltin on January 25, 2016, 03:32:18 AM
Understandable, of course. He always seemed like a person who wants to create something all the time, so maybe GN'R wasn't the right band for him this time.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: ice cream sand pig on January 25, 2016, 05:11:45 AM
Normally when someone would leave, in a selfish kind of way I would resent them because Id see it as a roadblock. But in this case his replacement is already here and things seem to be going smoothly. Glad he is doing what he loves and that he has good things to say about his time with guns. He seemed to be the least approved of member in guns in terms of the online fanbase, and he got replaced with the most popular gnr guitarist of all time. Interesting how that worked out.

Very curious if any of his stuff will be on the next album, either stuff he wrote or stuff he recorded. or will he disappear without a trace? 


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: The Wight Gunner on January 25, 2016, 05:36:37 AM
Normally when someone would leave, in a selfish kind of way I would resent them because Id see it as a roadblock. But in this case his replacement is already here and things seem to be going smoothly. Glad he is doing what he loves and that he has good things to say about his time with guns. He seemed to be the least approved of member in guns in terms of the online fanbase, and he got replaced with the most popular gnr guitarist of all time. Interesting how that worked out.

Very curious if any of his stuff will be on the next album, either stuff he wrote or stuff he recorded. or will he disappear without a trace? 

A class act, who is still a fan, and not too many of them get paid to tour with them from the inside rather than as a paying follower.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: raindog on January 25, 2016, 05:44:26 AM
Good for DJ.

Imagine for a second what a massive disappointment it must be to join Guns N' Roses and then in 6 years in the band Axl doesn't write and release a single song with you. Doesn't even perform anything you had a hand in writing over the hundreds of shows you do with him. It's actually insulting.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: jarmo on January 25, 2016, 06:12:55 AM
Thanks for posting.

I don't see him saying he didn't want to play somebody else's songs though.
I just see a quote saying he felt more connected to songs he wrote himself.

Like, just because you prefer hamburger over pizza doesn't mean you don't want to eat pizza.....  :hihi:



/jarmo


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: DeN on January 25, 2016, 06:43:22 AM
he's doing what he likes, that's cool.

I didn't enjoy him that much in GNR context, because well, I thought he was too close to Slash.
without being Slash...I thought to myself well, why not the real one, at this point...

and I was afraid about the kind of music he could bring to the band, not a fan of Motley or Sixx A.M.

so I'm happy with Slash & Duff rejoining, and I'm happy DJ is happy  :hihi:



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 06:58:46 AM
Can we get a title edit?

Because he actually doesn't say that in the interview, so it's misleading. I'm sure he, and the interviewer, would take issue with the misquote.

He basically says that, when faced with the two options, he found that he PREFERRED playing his own songs.

There is a big..and not just semantic..difference.



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: kyrie on January 25, 2016, 07:11:09 AM
Add me on the "he never actually said that" side. The title is a tad misleading. DJ was actually super respectful in that interview and said he had the time of his life in GNR.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: zombux on January 25, 2016, 07:35:55 AM
regardless of what he literally said, I think it's quite obvious.

DJ: "Hey Axl, I brought in some new riffs, wanna hear them? We might make a cool song, record it and release it!"
Axl: "Yeah right, but I want you to play KOHD."
DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
regardless of what he literally said, I think it's quite obvious.

DJ: "Hey Axl, I brought in some new riffs, wanna hear them? We might make a cool song, record it and release it!"
Axl: "Yeah right, but I want you to play KOHD."
DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."

Yeah, no.

Because, you know, he didn't actually say anything remotely like that.

You can make up your own "dream scenario" about how you think things went....but that's not remotely in the interview.  It's a story you're making up to fuel your preferred narrative.

Which is fine, but maybe be honest about it..because it's most certainly NOT what he said, or even implied, in the interview.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: zombux on January 25, 2016, 07:55:54 AM
maybe, but that doesn't change the facts - DJ was in the band for 6 years, during his stint he was allowed to play exactly zero stuff involving his creative input (okay, two guitar solos can be hardly considered GNR songs), there's not a single proof he actually recorded something with GNR in the studio, so he gave up and left. which is even more desperate situation than BBF's, who was at least allowed to add some guitar parts here and there on ChiDem album. everything these guys did together in the studio, was one song (BBF's Pink Panther) - which is kind of sad, considering all the years they spent together, trying to create something more.
but sure, you can still consider this just "my dream scenario" ;)


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 08:02:31 AM
maybe, but that doesn't change the facts - DJ was in the band for 6 years, during his sting he was allowed to play exactly zero stuff involving his creative input (okay, two guitar solos can be hardly considered GNR songs), there's not a single proof he actually recorded something with GNR in the studio, so he gave up and left. which is even more desperate situation than BBF's, who was at least allowed to add some guitar parts here and there on ChiDem album. everything these guys did together in the studio, was one song (BBF's Pink Panther) - which is kind of sad, considering all the years they spent together, trying to create something more.
but sure, you can still consider this just "my dream scenario" ;)

Yes, because it is. Specifically the conversation you wrote, above.

Unless you can point to a place where that conversation actually happened, and was documented?  What else would you call it?

Prove that he did NOT record anything with GnR in the studio. 

Granted, nobody currently posting in this thread can prove he did, either.  But..then..there's the rub.  You're assuming the information that supports your preferred narrative.  Which is fine...you're totally entitled to your opinion.  You just aren't entitled to represent it as fact, or history, or put words in DJ (and Axl's) mouth.

Because really...all we know is: They didn't RELEASE any new material with DJ playing on it..which is different than him not having recorded any.

So...yes. The rest is supposition, theory, and...yeah...a dream scenario.  A conversation you made up....


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: zombux on January 25, 2016, 08:06:16 AM
eh, of course I made that up ::)


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 08:12:35 AM
eh, of course I made that up ::)

Right...and:

Quote
regardless of what he literally said, I think it's quite obvious.

Where in the interview is that bit, then?

Look, I'm not trying to bust balls (ok, maybe a little bit), but...in case anyone reads the thread and does NOT read the actual interview...nowhere in the interview does he make it "quite obvious" any of what you suggest in your made up conversation.  And that's what your reply sort of implies.

And it's quite the opposite.  He's actually very polite, speaks well of his time in GnR, and is quite complementary of the whole experience.

You might think its obvious, based on your preferred narrative of how it all worked, etc.....but there's NOTHING in the interview to support that.

Thus why I called it what I did.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: CherryGarcia on January 25, 2016, 09:33:21 AM
maybe, but that doesn't change the facts - DJ was in the band for 6 years, during his sting he was allowed to play exactly zero stuff involving his creative input (okay, two guitar solos can be hardly considered GNR songs), there's not a single proof he actually recorded something with GNR in the studio, so he gave up and left. which is even more desperate situation than BBF's, who was at least allowed to add some guitar parts here and there on ChiDem album. everything these guys did together in the studio, was one song (BBF's Pink Panther) - which is kind of sad, considering all the years they spent together, trying to create something more.
but sure, you can still consider this just "my dream scenario" ;)

Yes, because it is. Specifically the conversation you wrote, above.

Unless you can point to a place where that conversation actually happened, and was documented?  What else would you call it?

Prove that he did NOT record anything with GnR in the studio. 

Granted, nobody currently posting in this thread can prove he did, either.  But..then..there's the rub.  You're assuming the information that supports your preferred narrative.  Which is fine...you're totally entitled to your opinion.  You just aren't entitled to represent it as fact, or history, or put words in DJ (and Axl's) mouth.

Because really...all we know is: They didn't RELEASE any new material with DJ playing on it..which is different than him not having recorded any.

So...yes. The rest is supposition, theory, and...yeah...a dream scenario.  A conversation you made up....

DJ was in the band for 6 years, Bumblefoot was in the band for 9...Why in 9 years was Guns unable to release new material composed by the new members? If Axl really wanted to release stuff written by Ashba/Bumblefoot, don't you think he had more than enough time to do so?


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Wooody on January 25, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
Can we get a title edit?

Because he actually doesn't say that in the interview, so it's misleading. I'm sure he, and the interviewer, would take issue with the misquote.

He basically says that, when faced with the two options, he found that he PREFERRED playing his own songs.

There is a big..and not just semantic..difference.




Yes, big difference.



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Spirit on January 25, 2016, 09:38:09 AM
Can we get a title edit?

Because he actually doesn't say that in the interview, so it's misleading. I'm sure he, and the interviewer, would take issue with the misquote.

He basically says that, when faced with the two options, he found that he PREFERRED playing his own songs.

There is a big..and not just semantic..difference.




Yes, big difference.




Yes, I think if Sixx AM didn't exist, it's not like Dj wouldn't have wanted to continue with GN'R.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Wooody on January 25, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
maybe, but that doesn't change the facts - DJ was in the band for 6 years, during his sting he was allowed to play exactly zero stuff involving his creative input (okay, two guitar solos can be hardly considered GNR songs), there's not a single proof he actually recorded something with GNR in the studio, so he gave up and left. which is even more desperate situation than BBF's, who was at least allowed to add some guitar parts here and there on ChiDem album. everything these guys did together in the studio, was one song (BBF's Pink Panther) - which is kind of sad, considering all the years they spent together, trying to create something more.
but sure, you can still consider this just "my dream scenario" ;)

Yes, because it is. Specifically the conversation you wrote, above.

Unless you can point to a place where that conversation actually happened, and was documented?  What else would you call it?

Prove that he did NOT record anything with GnR in the studio. 

Granted, nobody currently posting in this thread can prove he did, either.  But..then..there's the rub.  You're assuming the information that supports your preferred narrative.  Which is fine...you're totally entitled to your opinion.  You just aren't entitled to represent it as fact, or history, or put words in DJ (and Axl's) mouth.

Because really...all we know is: They didn't RELEASE any new material with DJ playing on it..which is different than him not having recorded any.

So...yes. The rest is supposition, theory, and...yeah...a dream scenario.  A conversation you made up....

DJ was in the band for 6 years, Bumblefoot was in the band for 9...Why in 9 years was Guns unable to release new material composed by the new members? If Axl really wanted to release stuff written by Ashba/Bumblefoot, don't you think he had more than enough time to do so?

Oh, but don't you know by now that Axl records hundreds of records and keeps it in a vault, and whatever gets leaked is what gets the release of the album done?  :hihi:
Im half kidding.  ;D


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 09:51:21 AM
DJ was in the band for 6 years, Bumblefoot was in the band for 9...Why in 9 years was Guns unable to release new material composed by the new members? If Axl really wanted to release stuff written by Ashba/Bumblefoot, don't you think he had more than enough time to do so?

As we've discussed, ad nauseum, time isn't always the problem.  I can't categorically answer your question..just theorize.  And you're going to theorize whatever supports your preferred narrative. And we'd just go back and forth like we always do. But, the truth is..we don't KNOW.  We're all just speculating. Right?

We've been having this conversation, literally, for years.  We don't need to rehash it, right?  Especially not in this thread since, really, it has nothing to do with the interview.  My points were made in regards to what was actually SAID by DJ in relation to what was "Obvious".


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 25, 2016, 10:01:31 AM

regardless of what he literally said, I think it's quite obvious.

DJ: "Hey Axl, I brought in some new riffs, wanna hear them? We might make a cool song, record it and release it!"
Axl: "Yeah right, but I want you to play KOHD."
DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."


Unless you can produce a recorded conversation of this, it will be dismissed.  Even then, you could have altered the tape.  So we couldn't even go by that.

No one around here has ever used a hypothetical conversation to make a larger point.  Its wrong, disrespectful, and...frankly, dangerous.

(Oh...and it spares us having to address the larger point being made.  That part is actually a bonus!)


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Annie on January 25, 2016, 10:48:43 AM

regardless of what he literally said, I think it's quite obvious.

DJ: "Hey Axl, I brought in some new riffs, wanna hear them? We might make a cool song, record it and release it!"
Axl: "Yeah right, but I want you to play KOHD."
DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."


Unless you can produce a recorded conversation of this, it will be dismissed.  Even then, you could have altered the tape.  So we couldn't even go by that.

No one around here has ever used a hypothetical conversation to make a larger point.  Its wrong, disrespectful, and...frankly, dangerous.

(Oh...and it spares us having to address the larger point being made.  That part is actually a bonus!)

I totally agree. All we need is that dreadful alternativenation site to pick this up as a story. It's a little shameless self promotion on DJ's part to state these things now that GNR has 4 sold out shows, but hey that's how he rolls. Good luck to him. I don't think the whole world is going to embrace SIXXAM like his little demented fangirls. :hihi:


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: younggunner on January 25, 2016, 10:51:10 AM
Im so happy DJ and Bumble are out of this band.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 25, 2016, 10:57:17 AM
Im so happy DJ and Bumble are out of this band.

I am too, not because I needed a Reunion, but I loved Bucket and Finck ... to me they're playing styles were so different and unique, however DJ and BBF were always fan friendly


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: jamillos22 on January 25, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
Guys, y so serious? :)

Didn?t DJ earlier say something about 13 songs having done with Axl?
Also, this:
"I have always been driven by my passion for creating music and Sixx:A.M. has always been a place where I can express myself honestly and share that passion..."


I think not releasing anything containing his work can definitely be considered at least one of the possible reasons why he left.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: Thorned Rose on January 25, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
He's a really good guitarist, but I'm glad he's gone.

Him in the band just felt weird at times. He was like what? the 5th lead guitarist they had in 10 years?  :confused:

If him being gone means we get Slash back... then you better believe it.

He was really impressive in concert, but like he even said... he was playing "someone" else's songs.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 11:05:43 AM

regardless of what he literally said, I think it's quite obvious.

DJ: "Hey Axl, I brought in some new riffs, wanna hear them? We might make a cool song, record it and release it!"
Axl: "Yeah right, but I want you to play KOHD."
DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."


Unless you can produce a recorded conversation of this, it will be dismissed.  Even then, you could have altered the tape.  So we couldn't even go by that.

No one around here has ever used a hypothetical conversation to make a larger point.  Its wrong, disrespectful, and...frankly, dangerous.

(Oh...and it spares us having to address the larger point being made.  That part is actually a bonus!)

Ignoring the fact that the context of the thread is an ACTUAL INTERVIEW, so...maybe...know the room/topic?

If you're going to create a hypothetical conversation, in an ACTUAL INTERVIEW thread...I'm just saying...it might be best to label it as such, and, you know, indicate that at no point in the interview does this conversation exist, nor does any implication of any such conversation exist.

Or you can just bitch about how "put upon" you are.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 25, 2016, 11:34:07 AM

I think not releasing anything containing his work can definitely be considered at least one of the possible reasons why he left.


Of course it was.  On one hand, he has a band where he will be creative voice who's work will be used and it might even...are you sitting down...be released!

His other option is a band that was either doing nothing, or in total limbo.  Total limbo is actually what counts as the good spin on the matter.

Who can blame him?  This was not a hard call, viewed objectively. 


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 25, 2016, 11:36:04 AM

If you're going to create a hypothetical conversation, in an ACTUAL INTERVIEW thread...I'm just saying...it might be best to label it as such, and, you know, indicate that at no point in the interview does this conversation exist, nor does any implication of any such conversation exist.


You might also perhaps give people some credit and not treat them as total idiots, capable of seeing what he was going for.

I mean...if you are making a list of options, I'm saying.


Title: Re: Dj Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: jarmo on January 25, 2016, 11:36:52 AM
I edited the subject, if the original poster has an issue with it. Let me know.




/jarmo


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 11:42:20 AM
I think not releasing anything containing his work can definitely be considered at least one of the possible reasons why he left.

Sure. It's definitely a possible reason

Did anyone say otherwise?


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

You might also perhaps give people some credit and not treat them as total idiots, capable of seeing what he was going for.

I mean...if you are making a list of options, I'm saying.

I don't think they are idiots, nor am I treating them as such.

What I think is...lots of folks don't actually read the linked article in question, and take their impressions from the posts in the thread.

I think that because there is ample examples that it's true.

Given that, I think it's sort of bad form to post something that gives the IMPRESSION that the interview linked implies something it doesn't or that the interviewee said something they didn't. It's disingenuous.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 25, 2016, 12:07:49 PM

I don't think they are idiots, nor am I treating them as such.

What I think is...lots of folks don't actually read the linked article in question, and take their impressions from the posts in the thread.

I think that because there is ample examples that it's true.

Given that, I think it's sort of bad form to post something that gives the IMPRESSION that the interview linked implies something it doesn't or that the interviewee said something they didn't. It's disingenuous.


So...tone means nothing to you?

You figure there was even a 1% chance that someone would have read zombux's post and assumed it was real world?

That this...

Quote

DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."


...really happened?

If you do...well, I don't know how to react to that.  I can't imagine anyone could read that and not see he was speaking hypothetically.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 12:16:46 PM

I don't think they are idiots, nor am I treating them as such.

What I think is...lots of folks don't actually read the linked article in question, and take their impressions from the posts in the thread.

I think that because there is ample examples that it's true.

Given that, I think it's sort of bad form to post something that gives the IMPRESSION that the interview linked implies something it doesn't or that the interviewee said something they didn't. It's disingenuous.


So...tone means nothing to you?

You figure there was even a 1% chance that someone would have read zombux's post and assumed it was real world?

That this...

Quote

DJ: "Really? Will you even show up at the rehearsal today?"
Axl: "No, not in this lifetime."


...really happened?

If you do...well, I don't know how to react to that.  I can't imagine anyone could read that and not see he was speaking hypothetically.

That that LITERAL conversation occurred? No.

That his hypothetical conversation was somehow implied during the interview, especially considering his "obvious" comment?

Yeah, perfectly plausible.

Look...I get it...the "dream scenario" thing hit a little close to home considering your previous discussions and you're a little sensitive.

But, to be blunt: TFB.

It's perfectly valid to point out that it was pure fantasy, and completely unrelated to the contents of the actual interview, in a thread based around an actual interview.  I'm really sorry (NOT) if that somehow sticks in your craw.

Mo Vaughn.


Title: Re: Dj Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: Sosso on January 25, 2016, 12:46:17 PM
Axl has told the fans during the Rock in Rio III concert that it's not easy for a musician to play the parts of another one. That's what I was thinking as I was reading the interview.


Title: Re: Dj Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: GnR-NOW on January 25, 2016, 12:56:07 PM
Can we start putting DJ stuff in the exmembers section lol


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: DexterWRose on January 25, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
As a musician myself I totally get where he's coming from. Though you grow up listening to a song or connecting to it as a fan, it's completely different than when you pour your creativity into a your own. I'm sure there's a lot of frustration on his part from not working on new stuff. Yes, it's cool as hell playing on stage with Axl Rose and doing Paradise City, but musicians need to create. I'm the kind that just likes to get things done. Type A personality that would never go 13 years working on an album. I'd go crazy. That's just me. Axl probably kept saying: Yup we will work on new stuff. Never happened probably. It is what it is though. Take it or leave it that's what it is.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Annie on January 25, 2016, 02:26:07 PM
As a musician myself I totally get where he's coming from. Though you grow up listening to a song or connecting to it as a fan, it's completely different than when you pour your creativity into a your own. I'm sure there's a lot of frustration on his part from not working on new stuff. Yes, it's cool as hell playing on stage with Axl Rose and doing Paradise City, but musicians need to create. I'm the kind that just likes to get things done. Type A personality that would never go 13 years working on an album. I'd go crazy. That's just me. Axl probably kept saying: Yup we will work on new stuff. Never happened probably. It is what it is though. Take it or leave it that's what it is.
I think the great concert pianists who play Beethoven and Chopin might disagree with you. SIXXAM had a few good songs but their work is nowhere in the same league as Axl's.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: DexterWRose on January 25, 2016, 02:32:07 PM
As a musician myself I totally get where he's coming from. Though you grow up listening to a song or connecting to it as a fan, it's completely different than when you pour your creativity into a your own. I'm sure there's a lot of frustration on his part from not working on new stuff. Yes, it's cool as hell playing on stage with Axl Rose and doing Paradise City, but musicians need to create. I'm the kind that just likes to get things done. Type A personality that would never go 13 years working on an album. I'd go crazy. That's just me. Axl probably kept saying: Yup we will work on new stuff. Never happened probably. It is what it is though. Take it or leave it that's what it is.
I think the great concert pianists who play Beethoven and Chopin might disagree with you. SIXXAM had a few good songs but their work is nowhere in the same league as Axl's.

Oh hell yeah dude I agree with you. However, some guys would rather fail trying their own than succeeding doing someone else's. I'm not a fan of SIXXAM. I do you one better, I'm not even a DJ fan. I thought Robin is without a doubt the best guitarist GNR ever had in the new era. I thought DJ did well enough and Axl seemed to really like him. But Robin was more technical and creative in my opinion. I don't like anything from SIXXAM. Not even close to GNR quality.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Wooody on January 25, 2016, 03:15:46 PM
As a musician myself I totally get where he's coming from. Though you grow up listening to a song or connecting to it as a fan, it's completely different than when you pour your creativity into a your own. I'm sure there's a lot of frustration on his part from not working on new stuff. Yes, it's cool as hell playing on stage with Axl Rose and doing Paradise City, but musicians need to create. I'm the kind that just likes to get things done. Type A personality that would never go 13 years working on an album. I'd go crazy. That's just me. Axl probably kept saying: Yup we will work on new stuff. Never happened probably. It is what it is though. Take it or leave it that's what it is.
I think the great concert pianists who play Beethoven and Chopin might disagree with you. SIXXAM had a few good songs but their work is nowhere in the same league as Axl's.

Not all artists are alike. The kind of  musicians that enjoy playing someone else's work do it for that reason alone. My uncle is a classical player, plays great, Mozart and the likes. But you take off the music sheet and he gets frustrated. Never ever created a single melody for himself.

I play the guitar and write songs, Im not technically good as my uncle, but I do  enjoy and know how to create melodies.  I enjoy writing MY songs. If I ever do a cover, it ends up sounding quite different.
And like DJ ashba I would also get bored playing somebody else's songs without a creative output in sight. It doesnt matter if my songs are not as good as GNR or whatever, they are great to me, and I enjoy doing them. DJ probably feels the same for his work in SIXXAM.

If creative people felt  the need to quit playing just because they  were not as great as their predecessors that would be a damn shame.




Title: Re: Dj Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: matty29 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:09 PM
Can we start putting DJ stuff in the exmembers section lol

I was waiting for that haha. 

"This belongs in the Dead Horse section"  :rofl:


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: CherryGarcia on January 25, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
DJ was in the band for 6 years, Bumblefoot was in the band for 9...Why in 9 years was Guns unable to release new material composed by the new members? If Axl really wanted to release stuff written by Ashba/Bumblefoot, don't you think he had more than enough time to do so?

As we've discussed, ad nauseum, time isn't always the problem.  I can't categorically answer your question..just theorize.  And you're going to theorize whatever supports your preferred narrative. And we'd just go back and forth like we always do. But, the truth is..we don't KNOW.  We're all just speculating. Right?

We've been having this conversation, literally, for years.  We don't need to rehash it, right?  Especially not in this thread since, really, it has nothing to do with the interview.  My points were made in regards to what was actually SAID by DJ in relation to what was "Obvious".

Bumblefoot said repeatedly that in his tenure, they worked on nothing new (at least to his knowledge). New being post Bucket/Robin era stuff actually composed by Bumble and/or DJ. He said repeatedly that if we were to get a next album, it would be basically what CD was: "old" songs with new overdubs. Even Richard has alluded to such when he said that 'seeds' from some of the 'new' songs went back to Slash.

It actually does have to do with the thread...DJ stated he left because he preferred playing his own material, to playing material written by others. Perhaps if Axl had given Bumble and Ashba more creative legroom, they'd still be in the band.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: pilferk on January 25, 2016, 04:17:05 PM
DJ was in the band for 6 years, Bumblefoot was in the band for 9...Why in 9 years was Guns unable to release new material composed by the new members? If Axl really wanted to release stuff written by Ashba/Bumblefoot, don't you think he had more than enough time to do so?

As we've discussed, ad nauseum, time isn't always the problem.  I can't categorically answer your question..just theorize.  And you're going to theorize whatever supports your preferred narrative. And we'd just go back and forth like we always do. But, the truth is..we don't KNOW.  We're all just speculating. Right?

We've been having this conversation, literally, for years.  We don't need to rehash it, right?  Especially not in this thread since, really, it has nothing to do with the interview.  My points were made in regards to what was actually SAID by DJ in relation to what was "Obvious".

Bumblefoot said repeatedly that in his tenure, they worked on nothing new (at least to his knowledge). New being post Bucket/Robin era stuff actually composed by Bumble and/or DJ. He said repeatedly that if we were to get a next album, it would be basically what CD was: "old" songs with new overdubs. Even Richard has alluded to such when he said that 'seeds' from some of the 'new' songs went back to Slash.

It actually does have to do with the thread...DJ stated he left because he preferred playing his own material, to playing material written by others. Perhaps if Axl had given Bumble and Ashba more creative legroom, they'd still be in the band.

And dj said he worked on about 13 new songs for gnr. Others have talked about working on new material, more recently...frank, dizzy, richard, and chris.

Like i said...round and round we go.

And none of it is actually discssed in the interview, really. Because he didnt say he was frustrated by release schedules, or the process.

He said, on stage, he liked performing the songs he wrote, more...with Sixx AM.

No matter what his creative output had been..do you honestly think the gnr setlist ever leans more toward "new stuff" than the hits and current cd content? Or was he always going to play more material that was "not his" than was in gnr? Exactly...

Thus, no...not relenant.


Title: Re: Dj Says He Left GN'R - He prefers to play his own songs
Post by: Ginger King on January 25, 2016, 04:28:16 PM
Can we start putting DJ stuff in the exmembers section lol

I was waiting for that haha. 

"This belongs in the Dead Horse section"  :rofl:

Yes, and Tommy too!  Let's focus on the now, people.  It's a new world out there!  :hihi:


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: sky dog on January 25, 2016, 05:52:41 PM
Please don't compare DJ to Tommy...may go postal. >:(


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Ginger King on January 25, 2016, 06:18:58 PM
Please don't compare DJ to Tommy...may go postal. >:(

Musical capabilities...would never dream of it.

Status as ex-members...they're the same as Teddy Zig Zag. 


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Sosso on January 25, 2016, 06:23:30 PM
Please don't compare DJ to Tommy...may go postal. >:(

Musical capabilities...would never dream of it.

Status as ex-members...they're the same as Teddy Zig Zag. 

No, not really.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: DexterWRose on January 25, 2016, 06:31:43 PM
Please don't compare DJ to Tommy...may go postal. >:(

Musical capabilities...would never dream of it.

Status as ex-members...they're the same as Teddy Zig Zag. 

No, not really.

Former employees are just... Former employees.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Executioner on January 25, 2016, 06:37:39 PM
I won't believe this reunion is happening until I see them onstage in Vegas via YouTube unfortunately,kudos to Dj he played along with Axl's b.s. charade ,it must have been tough on all of them having no new music to release and just because one person couldn't be bothered the rest of them have to suffer,surprised that Slash has signed on for this after reading his book u would think he would keep well away from anything to do with GnR.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: sky dog on January 25, 2016, 06:38:10 PM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: JAEBALL on January 25, 2016, 06:47:07 PM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:

Call me crazy... Axl may have had to invite them back...but I don't think for one second he is making a bigger piece of the pie on these ticket sales than Slash and Duff....

Axl was playing the joint a couple years ago to a few thousand a night in Vegas...

Slash comes back and they sold out 20k for two nights in 10 minutes...Slash is going to take a salary per show like Richard will? ehhhh

It has no affect on my enjoyment of it...but as a fan I am curious as to how all the backstage stuff will work and the business side of things.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: sky dog on January 25, 2016, 06:55:15 PM
I have no idea but would imagine their salary will be quite larger than Richard's..... :hihi:

who knows how they did it and who cares? It's on.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: JAEBALL on January 25, 2016, 06:56:30 PM
I have no idea but would imagine their salary will be quite larger than Richard's..... :hihi:

who knows how they did it and who cares? It's on.

Damn right... Would make an interesting read doe.  :)


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: EmilyGNR on January 25, 2016, 07:22:09 PM
I won't believe this reunion is happening until I see them onstage in Vegas via YouTube unfortunately,kudos to Dj he played along with Axl's b.s. charade ,it must have been tough on all of them having no new music to release and just because one person couldn't be bothered the rest of them have to suffer,surprised that Slash has signed on for this after reading his book u would think he would keep well away from anything to do with GnR.

How was it a "BS charade?" I went to countless shows from 2001-2014- enjoyed them all, hope you aren't trying to turn this into another "It's not GNR" discussion.

They are crawling out from under rocks lately.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on January 25, 2016, 09:19:34 PM
I won't believe this reunion is happening until I see them onstage in Vegas via YouTube unfortunately,kudos to Dj he played along with Axl's b.s. charade ,it must have been tough on all of them having no new music to release and just because one person couldn't be bothered the rest of them have to suffer,surprised that Slash has signed on for this after reading his book u would think he would keep well away from anything to do with GnR.

How was it a "BS charade?" I went to countless shows from 2001-2014- enjoyed them all, hope you aren't trying to turn this into another "It's not GNR" discussion.

They are crawling out from under rocks lately.

It wasn't charity work and instead of making up your version of things, listen to the man himself who left- DJ had nothing but kind words about his experience. In addition, all of these versions and lineups were each solid in their own way and only solidified the name Gn'r as a live act.
Slash didn't sign on to be a spoke in a wheel either....I think this is going to be collaborative my man


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: damnthehaters on January 25, 2016, 11:45:31 PM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:

Call me crazy... Axl may have had to invite them back...but I don't think for one second he is making a bigger piece of the pie on these ticket sales than Slash and Duff....

Axl was playing the joint a couple years ago to a few thousand a night in Vegas...

Slash comes back and they sold out 20k for two nights in 10 minutes...Slash is going to take a salary per show like Richard will? ehhhh

It has no affect on my enjoyment of it...but as a fan I am curious as to how all the backstage stuff will work and the business side of things.

They sold 40k in 10 minutes??  I didn't know they were both sold out. 

Will having Slash and Duff back increase the attendance?  Of course.  But to compare this situation to playing the Joint is silly.  You make it sound like GNR were forced to play a smaller venue and that they could only draw 2k.  I would argue that if GNR of the last 10 years played at this new Vegas venue, they would get 10-12k if not more.  So yeah, Slash and Duff bring in more people.  Makes sense to me.  But Slash doesn't take it from 2k-20k. I would say having those three on stage about doubles attendance.  But remember, the Vegas shows are the first shows listed with the return of Slash and Duff.  These first shows will sell better than most because they are....the first ones. 


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: JAEBALL on January 26, 2016, 05:43:06 AM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:

Call me crazy... Axl may have had to invite them back...but I don't think for one second he is making a bigger piece of the pie on these ticket sales than Slash and Duff....

Axl was playing the joint a couple years ago to a few thousand a night in Vegas...

Slash comes back and they sold out 20k for two nights in 10 minutes...Slash is going to take a salary per show like Richard will? ehhhh

It has no affect on my enjoyment of it...but as a fan I am curious as to how all the backstage stuff will work and the business side of things.

They sold 40k in 10 minutes??  I didn't know they were both sold out. 

Will having Slash and Duff back increase the attendance?  Of course.  But to compare this situation to playing the Joint is silly.  You make it sound like GNR were forced to play a smaller venue and that they could only draw 2k.  I would argue that if GNR of the last 10 years played at this new Vegas venue, they would get 10-12k if not more.  So yeah, Slash and Duff bring in more people.  Makes sense to me.  But Slash doesn't take it from 2k-20k. I would say having those three on stage about doubles attendance.  But remember, the Vegas shows are the first shows listed with the return of Slash and Duff.  These first shows will sell better than most because they are....the first ones. 

The last time GNR did an arena tour in the United States ... They weren't even opening the "upper deck" in a lot of cities... Now by all accounts they are going to be playing football stadiums ...plus they are going to be charging double the price for a lot of tickets.

So my point was Slash is very much aware that he is the difference here ...hence I doubt he will be taking much less of a piece than Axl is . Maybe I'm dead wrong .. But that would be my guess.

Yes I was the under impression these two shows were basically sold out.. No ?


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: pilferk on January 26, 2016, 09:28:40 AM
Now I'm wondering why the need to retitle with only PART of the direct quote.

If you're going to use it..why not use the entire comparative to give a more accurate reflection?  Why cut it off to obscure the full picture?



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Ginger King on January 26, 2016, 09:40:00 AM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:

Call me crazy... Axl may have had to invite them back...but I don't think for one second he is making a bigger piece of the pie on these ticket sales than Slash and Duff....

Axl was playing the joint a couple years ago to a few thousand a night in Vegas...

Slash comes back and they sold out 20k for two nights in 10 minutes...Slash is going to take a salary per show like Richard will? ehhhh

It has no affect on my enjoyment of it...but as a fan I am curious as to how all the backstage stuff will work and the business side of things.

They sold 40k in 10 minutes??  I didn't know they were both sold out. 

Will having Slash and Duff back increase the attendance?  Of course.  But to compare this situation to playing the Joint is silly.  You make it sound like GNR were forced to play a smaller venue and that they could only draw 2k.  I would argue that if GNR of the last 10 years played at this new Vegas venue, they would get 10-12k if not more.  So yeah, Slash and Duff bring in more people.  Makes sense to me.  But Slash doesn't take it from 2k-20k. I would say having those three on stage about doubles attendance.  But remember, the Vegas shows are the first shows listed with the return of Slash and Duff.  These first shows will sell better than most because they are....the first ones. 

It?s a delicate balance here.  I?m not surprised that some people here feel that there?s really no difference (or just a marginal increase in interest) between a reunited Guns (please don?t bore me with semantics, Axl + Slash + Duff = reunion) and the prior lineup(s). 

In the weeks leading up to the Coachella announcement and now with the Vegas shows, interest in Guns n Roses has been off the charts.  There is no way the prior lineup would have sold out an arena the size of the Vegas arena.  That?s a fact?just look at the arenas they did play at in the past?how many of those sold out?  Generally speaking, they were playing smaller venues, including both prior Vegas residencies.

Now, I?m not saying you didn?t have fun at those prior shows.  Whether you had fun has no bearing whatsoever to the level of interest of the band.  Newsflash: I went to several of those shows, had a great time at all of them.  Look, if you can?t have fun at a concert ? especially a Guns n Roses concert ? then you?re the problem.  Anyway, despite all those good times, I have never been as excited to see them play as I am right now.  And that is because of the reunion. 

It just makes sense.  If the entrenched fan base is more excited?that reverberates through to the general public.  Hence why Guns n Roses is the biggest story in music so far this year.  And it is because of the reunion.  You think if they announced these shows with Bumble, DJ, and Tommy the level of interest would be the same?  Would I have spent a mortgage payment on 2 Gold VIP tickets and a weekend in Vegas?  Hell to the no. 

That?s not a knock on any former members or lineups?they all have their place in Guns n Roses history.  And I?m not criticizing Axl at all for keeping Guns alive all these years.  What I am saying is that these guys together are something special.  I saw Slash a couple years ago at a concert?when he opened for Def Leppard.  Why did Slash open for Def Leppard?  The simple answer is: because Axl wasn?t the lead singer.  Now that Slash is back with Guns, you think he?s going to be opening for Def Leppard (or anyone, for that matter)?  Not to overstate things?but the whole world is now taking notice again because these guys are back together.  Let?s acknowledge and celebrate that. 

Oh, and thanks DJ for your time in Guns.  I get why felt you needed to leave.  Sounds like he left on good terms?I wouldn?t be surprised to see him pull a Robin and make a guest appearance at a show or two.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Princess Leia on January 26, 2016, 10:12:11 AM
Well put Ginger. However I don?t think DJ will be there. He made it clear he will be on tour with Sixx A.M.  and making albums with them.

P.S. pilferk knock it off with the title change. It has already been changed. If it took DJ all these years to figure out he was better off playing his own songs instead of somebody else?s well that?s his problem.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Ginger King on January 26, 2016, 10:17:22 AM
Well put Ginger. However I don?t think DJ will be there. He made it clear he will be on tour with Sixx A.M.  and making albums with them.

P.S. pilferk knock it off with the title change. It has already been changed. If it took DJ all these years to figure out he was better off playing his own songs instead of somebody else?s well that?s his problem.

Oh yeah, I don't mean to imply DJ will be there in Vegas or Coachella...I guess I was (wishfully) thinking into the future...like a couple years from now if this is still a thing.  I could see him then popping back up, like Robin or Brain. I know, I know...I'm getting way ahead of myself.  Let's just focus on April.  Vegas, baby!


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 26, 2016, 10:28:45 AM

The last time GNR did an arena tour in the United States ... They weren't even opening the "upper deck" in a lot of cities... Now by all accounts they are going to be playing football stadiums ...plus they are going to be charging double the price for a lot of tickets.

So my point was Slash is very much aware that he is the difference here ...hence I doubt he will be taking much less of a piece than Axl is . Maybe I'm dead wrong .. But that would be my guess.
 

Also my guess.

I assume the payday for the shows themselves is even or damn close, but I can't imagine Axl gave up any ownership.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 26, 2016, 10:34:20 AM

In the weeks leading up to the Coachella announcement and now with the Vegas shows, interest in Guns n Roses has been off the charts.  There is no way the prior lineup would have sold out an arena the size of the Vegas arena.  That?s a fact?just look at the arenas they did play at in the past?how many of those sold out?  Generally speaking, they were playing smaller venues, including both prior Vegas residencies.


We all have lives.  We all have friends away from here.

GNR has been consistently touring for the past, what...10 years now?  And how many of those friends have asked you about those tours?

Well aware someone will come here with some anecdotal story about how they took their friend to some show in 2012 and they had the time of their lives.  Not what I'm saying.

I'm talking about the general level of interest.  I'm talking about people that would not have gone to see the most recent line-ups, but have already reached out to you about going to this when the dates get announced.  I'm talking about people seriously talking to you about what to expect and taking an actual interest in the band again.

My guesses are that a bigger swath of people have taken more of an interest in GNR and have reached out to you in the past few months, correct?

People are into this.  And the reason is Slash and Duff.  That's just a fact of life.  And can be said without getting your panties in a twist and claiming it's some slight against some other line-up you feel you have to defend.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: pilferk on January 26, 2016, 10:38:18 AM
Well put Ginger. However I don?t think DJ will be there. He made it clear he will be on tour with Sixx A.M.  and making albums with them.

P.S. pilferk knock it off with the title change. It has already been changed. If it took DJ all these years to figure out he was better off playing his own songs instead of somebody else?s well that?s his problem.

It was changed by jarmo ..and then changed again by the OP...to, again, inaccurately reflect the entirety of what was actually said.

I just don't get why, if we're going with the quote, we can't include the last..what..4 words? Would they not fit in the subject line?



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: pilferk on January 26, 2016, 10:39:59 AM

Also my guess.

I assume the payday for the shows themselves is even or damn close, but I can't imagine Axl gave up any ownership.

My bet, too. At least in terms of the name, etc. 

In terms of creative product, there were probably some discussions about equality, etc.  And probably in terms of financial splits, too.



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: D-GenerationX on January 26, 2016, 10:41:54 AM

Also my guess.

I assume the payday for the shows themselves is even or damn close, but I can't imagine Axl gave up any ownership.


My bet, too. At least in terms of the name, etc. 

In terms of creative product, there were probably some discussions about equality, etc.  And probably in terms of financial splits, too.


All 3 men will be filing a bigger tax return for 2016, is my guess.  I'm sure all are satisfied with the arrangement.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Princess Leia on January 26, 2016, 11:01:53 AM
Well put Ginger. However I don?t think DJ will be there. He made it clear he will be on tour with Sixx A.M.  and making albums with them.

P.S. pilferk knock it off with the title change. It has already been changed. If it took DJ all these years to figure out he was better off playing his own songs instead of somebody else?s well that?s his problem.

It was changed by jarmo ..and then changed again by the OP...to, again, inaccurately reflect the entirety of what was actually said.

I just don't get why, if we're going with the quote, we can't include the last..what..4 words? Would they not fit in the subject line?



It is not inaccurate. That?s what DJ said in the interview. It?s the title of the thread. Nobody can?t write a paragraph in the title just to make you happy.

He is gone, goog luck to him. Now we have Axl, Slash and Duff back together and ready to rock



Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R
Post by: pilferk on January 26, 2016, 11:19:43 AM
Nobody can?t write a paragraph

Well..then..I guess we can't discuss it. Given your stated inability.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on January 26, 2016, 01:25:22 PM
Well put Ginger. However I don?t think DJ will be there. He made it clear he will be on tour with Sixx A.M.  and making albums with them.

P.S. pilferk knock it off with the title change. It has already been changed. If it took DJ all these years to figure out he was better off playing his own songs instead of somebody else?s well that?s his problem.

It was changed by jarmo ..and then changed again by the OP...to, again, inaccurately reflect the entirety of what was actually said.

I just don't get why, if we're going with the quote, we can't include the last..what..4 words? Would they not fit in the subject line?



Actually it wouldn't fit in the subject line due to character limit.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: pilferk on January 26, 2016, 01:47:56 PM
Well put Ginger. However I don?t think DJ will be there. He made it clear he will be on tour with Sixx A.M.  and making albums with them.

P.S. pilferk knock it off with the title change. It has already been changed. If it took DJ all these years to figure out he was better off playing his own songs instead of somebody else?s well that?s his problem.

It was changed by jarmo ..and then changed again by the OP...to, again, inaccurately reflect the entirety of what was actually said.

I just don't get why, if we're going with the quote, we can't include the last..what..4 words? Would they not fit in the subject line?



Actually it wouldn't fit in the subject line due to character limit.

Thank you for actually answering the question!! :)

Fair enough.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: draguns on January 26, 2016, 07:54:56 PM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:

Call me crazy... Axl may have had to invite them back...but I don't think for one second he is making a bigger piece of the pie on these ticket sales than Slash and Duff....

Axl was playing the joint a couple years ago to a few thousand a night in Vegas...

Slash comes back and they sold out 20k for two nights in 10 minutes...Slash is going to take a salary per show like Richard will? ehhhh

It has no affect on my enjoyment of it...but as a fan I am curious as to how all the backstage stuff will work and the business side of things.

They sold 40k in 10 minutes??  I didn't know they were both sold out. 

Will having Slash and Duff back increase the attendance?  Of course.  But to compare this situation to playing the Joint is silly.  You make it sound like GNR were forced to play a smaller venue and that they could only draw 2k.  I would argue that if GNR of the last 10 years played at this new Vegas venue, they would get 10-12k if not more.  So yeah, Slash and Duff bring in more people.  Makes sense to me.  But Slash doesn't take it from 2k-20k. I would say having those three on stage about doubles attendance.  But remember, the Vegas shows are the first shows listed with the return of Slash and Duff.  These first shows will sell better than most because they are....the first ones. 

I saw GNR in 2011 at the Izod Arena in the Meadowlands. My date and I sat in the 200s. The place was far from a sell out. There were plenty of empty seats. Now that the three of them are back together, you can most definitely be sure that MetLife, Prudential Center, Madison Square Garden, Yankee Stadium, Citifield, and the Barclays will all have sellouts.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: damnthehaters on January 26, 2016, 10:57:49 PM
Yes guys, the addition of Slash and Duff make this thing big.  BUT, it's the THREE of them being together.  If Slash and Duff were in Guns N Roses without Axl, I'm sure it would be very similar to GNR of the last 10-15 years without them.  Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but some of you make it seem like Slash and even Duff are the sole reasons why GNR is so popular right now, and sold out Vegas so quickly.  If that were the case, VR would have been a big deal


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: Ginger King on January 26, 2016, 11:24:48 PM
Yes guys, the addition of Slash and Duff make this thing big.  BUT, it's the THREE of them being together.  If Slash and Duff were in Guns N Roses without Axl, they would probably gain as much attention and sell as much as GNR without these two did.  Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but some of you make it seem like Slash and even Duff are the sole reasons why GNR is so popular right now, and sold out Vegas so quickly. 

It's the combo of all 3 that make it a game changer.  For every "up close and personal tour" or wedding the prior Guns lineup did, Slash was playing carnivals and opening for Def Leppard.  Duff was writing a weekly column for the Seattle Weekly. Their sum has been (and always will be) greater than their parts.   


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: JAEBALL on January 27, 2016, 08:19:52 AM
Yes guys, the addition of Slash and Duff make this thing big.  BUT, it's the THREE of them being together.  If Slash and Duff were in Guns N Roses without Axl, I'm sure it would be very similar to GNR of the last 10-15 years without them.  Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but some of you make it seem like Slash and even Duff are the sole reasons why GNR is so popular right now, and sold out Vegas so quickly.  If that were the case, VR would have been a big deal

No not the sole reason obviously.. like Ginger pointed out... Slash plays theaters with the Conspirators and opened for Aerosmith and other bands over the years.

However the ADDITION of Slash and to a lesser extent Duff back to GNR is the difference in what they can sell and charge for tickets.

Together they make this huge.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - 'There's A Huge Difference Playing Somebody Else's Songs'
Post by: JAEBALL on January 27, 2016, 08:21:22 AM
And Axl has two new employees....Slash and Duff! Key word being employee....could have cut to the chase in 1996 and things may have been different. :hihi:

Call me crazy... Axl may have had to invite them back...but I don't think for one second he is making a bigger piece of the pie on these ticket sales than Slash and Duff....

Axl was playing the joint a couple years ago to a few thousand a night in Vegas...

Slash comes back and they sold out 20k for two nights in 10 minutes...Slash is going to take a salary per show like Richard will? ehhhh

It has no affect on my enjoyment of it...but as a fan I am curious as to how all the backstage stuff will work and the business side of things.

They sold 40k in 10 minutes??  I didn't know they were both sold out. 

Will having Slash and Duff back increase the attendance?  Of course.  But to compare this situation to playing the Joint is silly.  You make it sound like GNR were forced to play a smaller venue and that they could only draw 2k.  I would argue that if GNR of the last 10 years played at this new Vegas venue, they would get 10-12k if not more.  So yeah, Slash and Duff bring in more people.  Makes sense to me.  But Slash doesn't take it from 2k-20k. I would say having those three on stage about doubles attendance.  But remember, the Vegas shows are the first shows listed with the return of Slash and Duff.  These first shows will sell better than most because they are....the first ones. 

I saw GNR in 2011 at the Izod Arena in the Meadowlands. My date and I sat in the 200s. The place was far from a sell out. There were plenty of empty seats. Now that the three of them are back together, you can most definitely be sure that MetLife, Prudential Center, Madison Square Garden, Yankee Stadium, Citifield, and the Barclays will all have sellouts.

As a lifelong Yankee fan... GNR in the Bronx would be fucking cool! Metallica played there a few years back... I think. Any of those places will be sell outs for at least one time.


Title: Re: DJ Says He Left GN'R - He Didn't Want To Play Somebody Else's Songs
Post by: TokyoRose on January 27, 2016, 08:48:05 AM
DJ ASHBA 'Couldn't Be Happier' About Partial Reunion Of GUNS N' ROSES' Classic Lineup

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dj-ashba-couldnt-be-happier-about-partial-reunion-of-guns-n-roses-classic-lineup/



"Partial Reunion"  FINALLY someone gets it right!