Here Today... Gone To Hell!

If you could only choose one -
CD II/the other tracks from the CD era -
Or a new album by the current lineup plus next guitarist(s)-
which would you prefer?

CD II, almost strictly for time's sake.  Axl has been putzing around for 15 years on shit he's already supposedly done.

To have him start from scratch is a doomed operation.  Of these choices, give me CD II.

I would pick CD II but only if it had new vocal tracks. I have no problem with this - A new vocal track, IMO, makes an old song "new" moreso than a guitar overdub by a new guitarist would. Tattoo You by the Stones and Physical Graffiti are good examples of 'new' songs created by adding new vocals to older tracks, and then overdubbing new guitars on top of the older base.

I would happily buy whichever was released.

If I haven't heard a track, it is new to me- whether it has "new vocal tracks" isn't honestly important to me at all.  ::)

Maybe, maybe not.

For instance, the vocal track we heard on that first 'I.R.S.' leak never changed.  I also was with you that I thought it odd no new vocals were done amidst all the tinkering.

But, between that first leak and the 10 years after when it finally came out, some of Axl's live vocals were hit or miss.  Since the album came out, they have been WAY hit or miss.

So if he has something where he sounds good, even if it was recorded in 2001, I'd say keep it.  If it sounds good, it sounds good.

But you'd also be fine if he simply read the phone book.  Or sang in pig latin.

CD2 would be the soonest release. I hope we don't miss out on those songs.

Of course, an album by the original line-up would be very welcomed as well.


If I had to choose, disregarding the time-scope, Axl and Izzy writing songs again would trump everything.





EDIT: In these "reunion-times", I misread the topic. I thought it was between CD2 and a new album by the original line-up.


In the case of CD2 and a new line-up album... CD2 in a heartbeat.

CD 2.

Still think you know people by your miraculous powers of internet observation? Delusion seems to be a real pastime for you.  :hihi:

You'd need and actual line-up for a new line-up album, right?

What's that going to take, 10 years?  15?

If something has come down the pike you were critical of, and didn't just eat up with a spoon, I've missed it, yes.  Me, and everyone else, I suspect.

If that's how you choose to roll, that's how you choose to roll.  But you are one poor example of a critical thinking fan, my dear.

Something seems to be planned for 2016, so...

CD 2 without a second thought

But your skewed and inaccurate definition of "critical thinking"
means to whine and cry about every imaginable thing under the sun and to state your opinion as truth even after somebody who knows the facts comes in here and points out you are wrong. :hihi:

You simply aren't credible my dear.

CD II, there's no doubt to me.  :peace:

I actually think a mix would be the best way to go. Six tracks of CDII stuff, six tracks of new stuff.

Or a double album, one disc of each.

New Album by New Lineup. Songs tend to get stale the more your tinker with them and God knows they've been tinkered with a lot over the past how many years. Raw in the moment not overly produced songs always seem to work best in my eyes.

My Opinion

I'd be right with you, but we don't even have a line-up right now.

Given Axl's issues with pace, what's the best case?  2 years from now?

CD 2 with Bucket and Finck still on it

Yep.  : ok:

What if Slash has already recorded parts for cd2?

cd 2 no questions asked

Obviously

 :beer:

If CD2 is more of CD... leave me out of it.

Much Much More !!!

 : ok:

I didn't know you were in it  :D

 :yes:

I tried to be... but it wasn't for me  ;)

It's great to see how many people would opt for CD2, which would be my choice also.

Just goes to show how much faith and love we have for Guns over the past 15 years.

Let's hope 2016 is the year! :beer:

my exact thoughts!!  :beer: :beer:

and then CD3 with Finck and BBF on it and also CD4 with BBF and Ashba on it.
all that could be released around 2097 or so.

The idea of two brand new guitar players is very unappealing to me personally.

It's hardly ideal.  Especially if we would now be 2 line-ups removed from the stuff in the Magical Mystery Vault.

It was already a stretch considering DJ and Ron part of that.  Their replacements, now?

At what point does it become a bridge too far?

Excelent Definition

 :peace:

Both with a trick, a double album (CD II + a new album) by the classic line up  ;D

Just don't get Adler to do Civil war   ;)

Adler Insane

 :smoking:

This.  I'm just hoping they're not going to bring aboard some other D-List stunt player like Ron to fill in for a tour.  My ideal situation would be for them to drop CD2 and bring back Robin & Bucket (who are on it) to tour on THEIR MUSIC.

If there are no plans to put out said album and move things forward, then for fuck sake, just bring back Slash and Izzy and tour.

Well, we don't know what the new lineup is yet - and in any case I don't think Axl is going to recruit two new guitar players, write and record an album with them and then release  it faster than he's going to release the stuff that we've been told for years is done or nearly done or what have you. 

The question is, though, what material is actually going to be on CDII?  If it's been around for years, why wasn't it on Chinese Democracy in the first place?  If Axl has had some grand vision with a place for every piece that's been written and so on, then fair enough; I just hope it's not an album of songs that weren't good enough to be Chinese Democracy (which was a very good album overall, but hardly flawless and has some weak songs on it).  I mean... it's one thing to have songs that for whatever reason weren't seen to fit with the ones on Chinese Democracy, but if it's an album of material that was considered weaker than fairly lightweight songs like Scraped or Riad N' the Bedouins, that's less appealing. 


Ed: typo

Totally.^....but I think Axl has some gems left over, I'd love to hear all the songs we'v heard about, unless of course they are mediocre at best.
 Slash is and has been touring with his band now anyways, so I doubt much is going on with him in Axl.  I'l take a new album any day over a reunion tour.

My opinion as well. This is about the music first and foremost. And I think that GNR lost track of that. Yes they toured extensively, and yes fans liked going to their concerts, but I went to see them in 2006, that's almost 10 years ago? and Just one album?
I think they have done enough touring to keep every fan happy in the entire world to have gone and see them at least once !

Now, new music please !

I think a lot of us would want a new album (by whoever), but I'm not sure an admittedly longshot reunion tour is a bad consolation prize.

Can anyone seriously say they'd be that heartbroken if they never heard that stuff?

Tell you why I ask.  Because I heard time and time again that people need to respect Axl's wishes and recognize all his feelings as valid, if not honorable.

So if he scraps CD II and opts for a reunion tour, isn't that him telling you he's not feeling it?

And would all the people that seemed so very concerned with his feelings have the same stance on insisting on CD II as they did with the reunion people for all the years they pined for that, Axl's wants be damned?

Maybe it's due to the limitations of the Compact Disc format?




/jarmo

Bumble (or somebody) kept talking about 74 minutes.

But can't you get 80 on a CD?

Playing times beyond 74 minutes aren't following the CD standard.
It's possible to add more minutes, but then you're decreasing the original track pitch on the disc.



/jarmo

Well, of course.  You can't fit infinite amounts of material onto an album.  But there would have been ways to release them - Chinese Democracy could have been made a double album, for instance; unreleased songs could have been substituted for some of the weaker songs that did make the cut; or indeed non-album singles, B-sides, an EP, a follow-up album released at any point between 2008 and now.  None of those have happened.  At one level I think that if Axl had a pile of material that was absolute, brilliant gold-standard music, we probably would have heard it by now. 

Or not.  Who even knows why or how or by what logic anything works with this band?  Not me, probably not anyone apart from Axl. 

Whatever the reason, there hasn't been the will or the readiness to release that music.  That's not been the priority, and fair enough.  They can do or not do what they want.  It's not my band, Axl doesn't owe me or anyone his music.   Nevertheless, I like most of the music he's done in the past, the stuff that eventually became Chinese Democracy made for an interesting record that holds up pretty well and if what's left over from that period or those sessions is of similar quality, then I would rather hear it than not.  It's stuff that was written during what was clearly a creative time in his life and came from some good collaborations.

Just guessing, but I doubt the record company would've liked to release a double album at that point.

Sometimes things don't go as planned.... Doesn't mean you don't want to do those things.



/jarmo

I would rather hear CD II. I never like to see artists leave a vault of material that remains unreleased and out of their control decades later

If I remember correctly Axl spent several hours talking to Adler in Vegas a few years ago. Heck! Most likely Axl has spent more hours with Adler than with Slash


 :hihi:  :smoking:

I hear this a lot, but do you think its a real possibility?

TB in the role of Afeni Shakur?

To the original question...CD II.

Next? CD II (or rather what they finished in the studio last summer and beyond).

CD2.  If a reunion album came out with all new songs, everyone would still yearn to hear The General, Berlin, Jackie Chan, Seven, Thyme etc.

I'd love a box set...Not sure how much finished material there is..But the "filler" could be some demos, live material from the various lineups and the HOB 2000/2001 Return of Axl Show...

HOB was a really great show  : ok:

i don't think anyone would care if 2 new guitarist + Richard were playing songs written by Ron and Robin.

Truthfully as possible - I liked CD1 enough to want to hear the rest first..but my gut is telling me that if this reunion is the real deal, part of the reason is an inability to finish up / settle on CD2.....I think to make this work, Axl and Slash had to come to an agreement to put the BS aside and focus together on new ideas.....which would be great.

Then, years down the road...we may hear what CD2 is all about

I'd like to hear CD 2. I really liked Buckethead's and Robins contributions and want to hear more

Yeah, I don't really give a shat if they are in the band or not. I don't care if it was recorded over 5 years ago (which most was) I just wanna here it. It's been so long.

I don't know if we would get an entire new album from the reunion guys, but I could see them putting together one new song as a single and something to play live.  I kinda believe they are together right now doing work.  Not sure what that work is (rehearsing, songs, planning, etc), but there are just too many rumors out there (and reasonable ones) for this not to be happening. 

Maybe they are doing one new song together to add to the mix of old and new GNR?
Maybe they are just gonna rehearse and play live, with no intention of new music?
Or fuck it, maybe they are going back to roots and gonna put together an album in weeks time?

If I had to guess, I would say it's just rehearsing to play live.  And if this is the case, I wonder what Chinese songs Slash and Duff would want to take on?  Or what Chinese songs Axl would want them to learn?  Or if any?

CD II all the way, but it would also be interesting to hear the so called 1996 album:

The songs are really good, and I have a good vibe about it. I wouldn't want to go out and do a bad Guns N' Roses record." (Slash, Kerrang, 09/21/96)

"We have been doing mostly Axl's material." (Slash chat, 10/16/96)

"Even if we don't sell any copy of the next album, I will be very proud of what we did. But I don't worry about it, I know that what we are doing right now is great. [...] We are working on rock songs that last only 4 minutes (laughs). We already did 7 songs and we will write 7 others. [...] It will be a single album with 10 or 12 songs." (Matt, 09/23/96)

"There will be a new Guns N' Roses 12 song minimum recording with three original "B" sides." (Axl, MTV fax, 10/30/96)

"The record will be all up-tempo rock songs ("No ballads," McKagan said firmly) and it will be just 12 songs, with a release planned for next spring." (Duff, Addicted to Noise, 08/30/96)

when i went to log in and respond to this, my answer must have already been in my head because i accidentally typed cd2 in the space where you type your user name.

hands down, cd2. the second half to my favorite album of all time? want. want bad. please give.

Yep.

Still.

You quoted yourself?   :hihi:

Why am I not surprised .

The topic looked familiar.

And, reply still stands up, really.  Any hope of new music is the stuff done in CD sessions 10 years ago.

From Revolver Interview:
"We recorded a lot of things before 'Chinese' was out," Axl said. "We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things.

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/axl-rose-talks-about-new-guns-n-roses-music-possibility-of-more-shows-with-duff-mckagan/#qze0y4uR4vICwhd3.99

Oh...well, there you go, then.

I have a feeling you'll have to remind him of that again between now and the release of the next album. Selective memory and all....


/jarmo

I'll keep that quote handy  : ok:

For me personally, I would really like to hear the remaining stuff from the chinese era.

I would love to hear the second half and after all, there's nothing stopping Guns releasing another album a few years later with the more recently recorded tracks - haha, now I'm just getting greedy  :hihi:

I would rather hear CD II

A live reunion is fine, but I am not sure re-recording together would be a good thing.

could be fun if 'cd2' had north-korean themes :P

My personal hope is to have one more album with more Chinese Democracy era songs and the Chinese Democracy remixes CD as well. But whatever happens I'll be there!

North Korean democracy starts now? :P

Someone mentioned that maybe releasing ALL of the unreleased material from both old Guns & new Guns and simply calling the album 'Guns N' Roses' would be cool.  It doesn't exactly seem like Axl is ready to pull the trigger on the second half of 'Chinese' as it is. Why not just put out everything in the vault, perhaps as a double, especially if this reunion thing pans out. Would also give the hybrid lineup including Axl, Slash, Duff (Izzy?) Richard, Frank, Dizzy & Chris some merit.

A self-titled album sounds like a great idea. A double album even better !  : ok:

LOL at trying to justify "we want it all and we want it now" mentality by saying it would give a lineup "merit"  :hihi:

Emily, you are literally the worst.  ::)

don't know if it's been discussed already - but isn't it possible that duff & slash will do some overdubs n' lay down bass n' guitar tracks on already existing songs (bumblefood kinda did that on "chinese")? so - as the rumoured new lineup - the second half of cd would be old & new guns?

I would really doubt it.  But would be in favor of any sort of miracle that might get Axl off his ass and think about a release.

If this is that avenue, I say bring it on.

How do you know he is "on his ass" and not working on the next release?

Is this just another of your assumptions you try to pass off as truth?

Just a figure of speech.

So you are thinking a song written either buy Bucket, Robin or Paul would then even get the attention of any of the old guys??

I really hope this wouldn't happen...

I would like to hear those songs for what they are   And any future things, for what they are.

Now the question is....  If Axl has some kick ass lyrics down on some unreleased songs   would you want to hear them with the old guys

well, duff played on some of those cd songs live, so they did get his attention. :-) i don't know if the scenario is very realistic, but i doubt axl will release new cd-music (without slash & duff) under the gnr-name AND tour with slash & duff at the same time.

rearranging, rewriting and then completely rerecording the old "new" songs (from cd-times) with slash & duff could also be a (theoretical) possibility. but i'd bet (if i had to) that this won't happen after all the craziness and madness axl must have gone through during the cd-recordingsession(s). axl once called that whole process "a nightmare", if i remember correctly.

instead, overdubbing wouldn't cost that much time, energy, nerves etc;

yeah, sure - slash & duff would have to be REALLY enthusiastic about the material and songs ... at the same time it might seem a little disrespectful towards robin, bucket & co if axl had their parts rerecorded; though it wouldn't be the first time: think of brain who rerecorded josh's parts note by note ...

axl, slash, duff, richard, dizzy, frank (n' chris?), writing, recording and releasing a completely new album with new songs would take at least 1-2 years; so, also that scenario would not go together with the rumoured tour - it could (only) happen later on, i suppose.

CD II and III please  :yes:

Yes. Tour 2006

 : ok:

Nothing is on the way recording wise, according to both Ron & Tommy. (Source, firsthand. If you want to take it up with them and I'm not encouraging anyone to do so because they have better things to do with their time, but if you do tell 'em Mike R. says hello). The fact is we've not been promised ANYTHING at this point. Not a tour, not a record, not a reunion.

But who needs that for proof? Fortus admits he has no idea what's going on, DJ left because nothing was happening and he was Axl's most vocal supporter in the band.

Anyone who thinks Axl is toiling away day and night on a finished album from 15 years ago has their head up their ass. Maybe we'll see him on a stage again soon. I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. Reunion? Who knows. Everything's on a need to know basis with Axl so I don't doubt anyone not involved would be kept in the dark. But it's a longshot.

Why we get fed things like '2-3 new songs played in 2014' or 'news in 2-4 months' I don't know. Maybe TB wants more out of Axl than he gives, same as most of us do. But the fact is he's paid his dues, done his shows and made his money. If he wants to chill out and enjoy his rewards for the rest of his life he will. I've looked at everything that came after CD as a bonus.

Quoted For Truth...as the kids say.

Great post.  Bits in bold are my favorites.

And Well...

Merry Xmas

 ;D