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10-year-old gives birth in Idaho; Suspected illegal immigrant charged with rape


A 37-year-old man is charged with raping a 10-year-old girl who gave birth last month in Idaho.

"St. Anthony Police said they were notified of the young girl's pregnancy by medical personnel after she went in for treatment at a doctor's office," KIFI-TV reports on its website.

One day later, the ABC affiliate says the young mother delivered a 6-pound girl at Madison Memorial Hospital in Rexburg, Idaho.

KIDK-TV says Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez, a suspected illegal immigrant, is being held at the Fremont County Jail. He's due in court next week to face rape charges.

"I wouldn't have believed a 10-year-old could conceive in the first place," Fremont County Sheriff Ralph Davis tells the Associated Press.

The CBS affiliate has more on the local reaction.


"A hospital spokesman would not discuss the condition of the girl or the baby and would not say if either was still in the hospital," the paper says.

Where does it say he has free healthcare?

hes an illegal immigrant.....thats where...didnt you read it? ::)

man i should really dumb down some of the sarcasm for some of you...

Yes, why does that mean he has free healthcare? And moreover, what does it have to do with the story?


I don't think it's possible for you to dumb down any more.

because he is an illegal alien!!!! thats why...they go to schools here for free and get free healthcare....do you think they get turned away at the hospital? NO!!! who pays that? we do!!!  the point of me posting this story was to take a jab at how well illegal aliens are treated here...not what the actual story was about...

I know it has a lot of words but read this

http://rand.org/news/press.06/11.14.html

....assuming that you didn't, a few points.

1. Not everyone goes to hospital. I've never been (as a patient) in my whole life.
2. Some illegal immigrants have health insurance.
3. Some illegal immigrants pay health costs out of pocket.
4. Some doctors and hospitals eat the cost of unpaid expenses out of their own pocket.
5. Illegal immigrants tend to use health services much less than US legal residents for various reasons.
6. Not everything you hear on talk radio is true.

So while it is conceivable that he has had healthcare paid by taxpayers it's by no means obvious or even probable. Also he's 36, quite likely came here after school age so didn't receive a free education either.

I still don't get your point other than the conflation of various things that concern you - are you implying that all illegal immigrants are child rapists? I think the guy should be deported in two pieces, and pay for any medical expenses for neck wounds himself, but it doesn't really have much to do with free gay indoctrination education.

The moral to the story is that we need to secure our own border and stop giving illegals a free pass in this country.

The point of me posting this was to show that here is a guy who is here ILLEGALLY who is taking advantage of the system we have going around committing henious crimes...that is all...now you want to defend him by showing me that a small percentage actually dont get free health insurance....so that makes it OK?? you know damn well the vast majoirity...(close to all) actually DO get free healthcare...why do you find the need to make so many excuses for someone who shouldnt be here in the first place?

thank you.....he gets it.....whats wrong with  you Tap?

Simple solutions for simple people. Can you explain to me what 'securing the borders' means in practice, and who will do it, and how much it will cost, and who will pay for it?

Another classic strawman. How am I defending him?

TAP, don't waste your time.  Don't you understand the solution to this predicament was barring the 10 year old girl from the hospital?  Perhaps if we set the precedent these animals don't deserve healthcare, they'll learn their lesson!   ::)

Jesus, does it even say if the 10 year old was an illegal alien or was it just the creep who inseminated her?  If there was any kind of justice, he'd be rotting in a cold, dark prison subjected to maddening solitary confinement for the rest of his (hopefully) long, long life.  (all this of course if the DNA test shows he's the monster)

I do agree we need to do a better job of controlling who enters and leaves the country, but those who are already here aren't going anywhere.  What's the number?  16 million?  4 million of those children?  It aint gonna happen, and if it did, our economy would be in the shitter...more than it is right now.  Offer immediate naturalization to all illegal aliens who learn to speak English proficiently and who don't have violent criminal records.  It's that simple.

Finding a scapegoat for all the nation's ills with immigrants is foolish.  Blaming the poor and lazy doesn't work either.
Try looking at the billions wasted in corporate welfare.  Wealthy corporations, American and foreign, receive a much bigger chunk of our tax money than the poor fucks, legal and illegal.  Why worry about pennies when dollars are being wasted.

btw, have you met some of the folks who come here from Latin America illegally?  Do you know what they do for their livings?  Do you honestly think they're getting rich at your expense?  The funniest part about all this is it's the protected businesses that are to blame for hiring illegal aliens!  If businesses didn't hire them illegally, there'd be no issue here now would there?   ;)

Friday is my time wasting day, what's your excuse  ;D


Some might call you pragmatic, some might call you a far left liberal whackjob.....and you wouldn't have to go beyond this thread to find them  : ok:

TAP, I'm starting to think that's what I am!  I never thought I could be labeled a far left liberal whack-job!   :-[  Is this what I really am???   :nervous:  :confused:   ;D

TAP, keep fighting the good fight.   :beer:

Mustaine, you said:  "because he is an illegal alien!!!! thats why...they go to schools here for free and get free healthcare....do you think they get turned away at the hospital? NO!!! who pays that? we do!!!  the point of me posting this story was to take a jab at how well illegal aliens are treated here...not what the actual story was about..."

What should we do with the children of illegal aliens?  They are citizens of this country under the law.  Why are you pissed about them going to public school where they'll actually learn how to speak English, get an education, and contribute as hard-working tax-paying adults in the future?

Now, you want to bar them from medical care?  Should we let them die in the Emergency Room waiting areas?  "Sorry sir, you will have to go over there and just bleed to death, have a nice day!"  Are you serious? 

Well yes, you obviously spend a lot of time thinking which makes you an egghead, that puts you even to the left of the Clintons, and only barely to the right of Black Voters. I'm starting to suspect you may even have a college degree.....

Think of it like this

"Illegal alien. Secure the borders"

It defines the problem and solves it in five words with a catchy slogan, you don't even have to think about the words because  talk radio already did it for you. If you were a conservative you'd be done already and could spend the rest of the evening being happy.

because you defending him by saying "not all" of these people are getting free healthcare AND "look at his age, he didnt get free schooling here" so i guess that makes it ok then right?

sure can...

we fine the business owners for hiring illegal aliens.....as long as there is a job here for them it doesnt matter how big a wall you build or how many minutemen you have protecting the border...they will find a way...and this goes for ALL illegal aliens....no matter what country they are from

The solution is simple. Carrying it out is complex. But the issue must be addressed and not ignored.

^ classic TAP.  Great stuff.  :beer:  I'm such an elitist.   :hihi:

One could start by deploying some of the offshore troops, or bring the National Guard back from Iraq so they can guard the nation.

The question isn't how much it will cost and who will pay for it.

It's: How much is the current situation costing, and who's paying for it?

This, of course, is not in the interest of the government, who gets their cheap labor and racial stirrings to keep the public distracted from other pressing issues.

All illegal immigrants are child rapists! Kill them all  : ok:

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EDIT: You guys didn't know?

Yeah, because Americans themselves never rape kids  :peace:



*fact, USA is largest producer, distributor and consumer of child porn*

I love you guys who try to make out the USA as such a bad country. So why do so many people want to come here???

We just need to get a handle on those who try to come here illegally.

*fact- the USA gives more money in humanitarian aid throughout the world than any other country*

It's not just the US, it's every 'prosperous' country.

Guess centuries of explotation is coming back to bite 'us'. Coupled with the elites desire to create a homogenous, borderless world of total economic efficiency.

Nice, the way you didn't mention the child porn FACT....huge elephant, not?  :peace:

It is the most evil thing in the world, you don't  think it is even worth mentioning.... ok....your opinion I guess...which is the reason why child porn in the USA is growing and growing and growing, eventhough it has the highest rates already....but who cares, right?

There are much worse things happening on this planet than kids being raped everyday in the USA for child porn purposes....like women in Far-away-istan not being able to drive a car....yeah...so much more important to fight for...really, why would I care about the evil things happening in my street when I can worry about the lesser important stuff happening 99,999,999,999,999 miles away : ok:

The reason you got Mexicans coming to your country is money....nothing more. What is so surprising about that? If you were a Mexican living at the border of USA, I am sure you wouldn't want to make more money by crossing the border. No, you would stay in your bed all day long catching flies.

Your ancestors came to this land centuries ago and took away violently what was from someone else...that was no problem, the holocaust of native Americans and in Aussie, aboriginals....guess what....something's coming home to roost, so don't be hypocritical, karma is working  :peace:

1st, Atilla, I don't believe in "karma." 

2nd, Senator Blutarsky,

*f a c t* The United States is n o t the leading giver of humanitarian aid as a percentage of its gross domestic product.

  Bragging about how generous the United States is when it comes to humanitarian aid is a joke.  If a millionaire gives a thousand dollars to charity, it's crap compared to a McDonald's worker who contributes a hundred dollars to charity.  It's even more disgusting considering the fact the McDonald's worker is not likely itemizing and benefitting from their giving come tax time. 

  Here is a r e a l i t y check for the good Senator Blutarsky:  The top nations of the world in giving humanitarian aid as a % of their gross domestic product are as follows:

Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Finland
Ireland
Switzerland
Holland
Luxembourg
S. Korea
Canada
Belgium
United Kingdom
Saudi Arabia
Australia................
and then that lovable country who spends more on military spending than the next 46 countries combined!  The good ol' U.S. of A.   :love:  :love:  :love:

Just imagine what we could have done with $518.5 billion dollars (the cost of the Iraq War since 2003).  Tragedy.

Oh well, we're not all that bad...we still give more than Germany, United Arab Emirates, New Zealand, and Japan.  :yes:

Here's some edumacation for Senator Blutarsky:  http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/petition-illegals.htm

It's amazing that has to be spelled out...but apparently it does.

all i know is theres no mexicans in canada.  too cold.

of course we are..the far left in this country drags us further and further into degeneracy every day...im not surprised by this statistic..take a look at super lefty talk show host Bernie Ward who just got arrested for child pornograpy...he actually fantasized about sleeping with his KIDS!   check out the whole story at www.michaelsavage.com

One of the best posts you have made.  : ok:


Your plurium interrogatorium has been discussed, and shown to be irrelevant, elsewhere. Give it up.

I'm not defending him or any other illegal immigrant, I'm pointing out yet again that your 'facts' are incorrect, and that diminishes any point you may have.

Mine's still a question, but I'll admit your's is a better question.

Here's a useful list for you http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

In particular check out "Hasty Generalization" and "Spotlight". You know "Strawman" already.

Pretty shitty turning some girls rape into a case against healthcare.  :no:

Agreed.  Horrible thread really.

But I want to respond to the issue raised about US charity in terms of totals vs. percentages.  See, I know the US is way down the chart in the percentage given, but to me the significantly more important stat is the total amount given.  I mean that has the real impact, right?  GNP is basicall the dollar value of goods and services (goods) produced in any given year at market price (current price).   I'm not sure if you can use that to compare the generosity of a nation.  I'm not an economist and admit that I don't know how the definition of GNP relates to generosity.

I'm not so sure why so many of you actually enjoy painting the US is as poor a light as possible.  Are most people in this secion from outside the US?

Of course that's correct in terms of usefulness, but the stats are generally quoted in response to claims that the US 'bails out the whole world' or is the most generous. I think it's lame to bash the USA's generosity just for the sake of USA bashing in general, but the figures do need to be pointed out to correct common misperception.

Perfect Criminal,

I love my country.  I am an American and damn proud of what my country should be all about.  I get a bit pissed off when people try to fudge the numbers, that's all.  My analogy about the ability to give and how much wealth a nation possesses still holds. 

The U.S. spends more on its military than countries number 2 through 47 c o m b i n e d!!!  We are a good nation with great ideals...but we can't call ourselves the "most generous" nation on the planet.  To be the "most generous" nation on the planet, by definition, you'd have to give a higher % of what you have to give.  Jarmo, and his Scandinavian friends can claim that title.

Perfect Criminal, you raise some good points...that I can't answer!  I got one grade in college lower than a B...microeconomics.
A big fat D.   :-[  Economics aint my bag, but I think it's safe to assume the United States is the richest country on earth.  Does that mean we are obligated to be the most charitable?  Hell no.  I just wanted to clarify, that's all.   :peace:

Now let's get back to what this thread is really about.  The very serious problem of 10 year old girls raping illegal aliens.  It aint right, it aint American, and I blame the liberals!   :rant:

IF it was too cold, then why the fuck here in MN are we overloaded with Mexicans and Towlies?

Charity, the way it is generally given, actually does more harm than good for a country. In many cases the regime takes it for themselves, not only depriving their starving population of food, but also bankrupting farmers when they sell it off at rock bottom prices. You also create dependence. If people get used to getting food for free, why work? It creates a very unhealthy economy, forcing us to throw more and more fuel to the fire, ad infinitum.

Then there is the sinister but real situation of western interests providing weapons and capital in exchange for drugs, diamonds, oil and other resources etc. This is the number one reason dictators are able to stay in power for so long.

In my opinion charity has become our national get out of guilt card and not much else.

It may be important to you, but the agreed measurement of foreign aid is in percentage of GNP (now GNI), not raw dollars.


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Well, I'm just not educated in what GNI actually means.  The definition I found online is:

GNI comprises the total value produced within a country (i.e. its Gross Domestic Product), together with its income received from other countries (notably interest and dividends), less similar payments made to other countries.

So I guess (?) that means how wealthy we are as a nation, right?  Does it include our debt?  If you include national debt in the calculation, where does that put us?

I'd like to see the stats for individual citizens donations to charity in various countries (on average).  The US might, as a government, give less on a GNI basis than many others, but how does that translate into the amount given by individuals on avergae?  I don't know.  I tend to think (yes I don't know), that American citizens give, on average, a lot more than citizens in some of the countries that give based on GNI.  I could be talking out of my ass though.

i love how the sarcasm of the title of this thread has flown WAY over your heads....

Not at all.  I get your point.  I'm just saying it's a false connection.  Healthcare has nothing to do with this guy being a rapist.  If he were a US citizen, fully insured, and had payed in full every medical bill he had ever received, this rape would be just as awful.  If he was a Canadian, who received free healthcare in his own country, and was here on a vacation, this rape would be just as awful.  You're using one horrific act to make a claim about the validity of something completely unconnected. 

I love how this will fly WAY over his head.

i never said healthcare had anything to do with him being a rapist...I am saying that illegal immigration has to be stopped...and its ironic how well they are treated here when alot of them come over and break the law....simple as that....but leave it to you guys to start spinning shit all over the place....

That's because you're so awesome at sarcasm I expect.

apparently a little too awesome...

wow fucking bullshit man :no: :rant:


i think we should build an express lane to Canada. Send the mexicans there. Canadas pretty unpopulated, i'm sure theres plenty of jobs availible :D ::)

For Shadow of Mustaine  ;D

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-22605