Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I am very pleased to announce that Guns N' Roses and I are now represented by the management team of Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. We are very excited and look forward to working with them and hope our relationship proves beneficial for everyone, especially the fans.

Axl Rose

03/27/08

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"Axl Rose and Guns N Roses is and will always be one of the most important recording and touring artists of our time, and one of the great rock n roll voices for his generation. We are honored that Axl has placed his trust in us."

Irving/Andy

AWESOME!!

Wheels are finally turning...

I would of had the first post if JARMO wasn't so fucking slow.

sweet, why does the name Andy Gould sound familiar to me?

I dont know if its the same guy, but Andy Gould was a producer of all 3 movies that Rob Zombie has made.

Wow, lots of activity.  Maybe they helped work out the DP deal!   : ok:

Good to hear. Go Axl  : ok:

They had nothing to do with the DP idea.. That was DP all on their own...

I assume this will also be on the GNR website shortly... very cool!

Awesome news, thanks for sharing Jarmo :beer:

And with that, we can put that theory to rest.

Thanks Fernando.   :)





/jarmo

Understood, but obviously there is some benefit seen to Axl and GN'R in that or else there wouldn't have been a public acceptance and endorsement of the promotion.

Ali

Cool. One legal problem over.....Now, only 20 more to go!


:::Keeps my fingers crossed::::

Great news....! ;D



The DP idea its a  kicks ass promo to the band, and it s free.




Ps  Irving Azoff and Andy Gould how about them ....they like to comunicate with the fans ?

it hit WIKI even before it hit here. kinda crazy...

HUGE NEWS. Applause and salutations.

Azoff is a great name in the music world. Synomonous with rock history. AND HE CO-PRODUCED FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH. Aloha Mr. Rose!

Very happy to hear this news! Congrats to Axl and band.

Excellent news.

The wheels are in motion.  : ok:

Thanks Jarmo, Axl, and Fernando!

Awesome news...Irving Azoff...sounds familar....did he work with The Eagles?

From Wiki...so yep, he worked with the Eagles!

Irving Azoff is a famous music industry manager of bands/singers such as Jewel, The Eagles, Bush, REO Speedwagon, Dan Fogelberg, Seal, Journey, Christina Aguilera, Alter Bridge, Van Halen and Steely Dan.

In the 70s, his management style was characterized by complex manipulations and dramatic about-faces that he and his clients seemed to find much more humorous than his opponents. Even during his decade as head of MCA, he was known to be fiercely loyal to his former clients, many of whom have returned now that he is back on the management side. His most famous quote is "I never met an asshole in the record business I didn't like."

More information can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Azoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Azoff)

A very good management team. Is this a retroactive announcement? Hopefully, the bricks are laid for the album already.

No and no.

Rock on!

So in the past 24 hrs we have news of new management and a possible promo from the good DR.

At least it's something positive. : ok:

Keep the true rock alive !!!


Fernando off the record what AXL trought about the two ass clowds arguin on public ....?! :hihi:

Things are starting to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

.... it's like beating a dead horse!!!

Fernando, for those that don't know, what is your connection to GNR again?  Glad to have you on the forum!  Welcome!  I like your insight.

I know people.

Thanks Brah!!

Ya I remember watching the Eagles Hell Freezes Over dvd and Don mentions his name before he introduces 'The Heart Of The Matter'....Anyways this is awesome news

more cool news! see ... regular updates don't hurt too bad  :hihi:

This is great news. Hopefully things are really going to start moving along now..

With proper management in place, news and updates might not be so scarce from this point on.

and his manager!


also manager of Static-X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal_(album)

I get the feeling, we are getting very close!

It's up at gunsnroses.com...cool pic too. :yes:

Annnnnd it's now on gunsnroses.com as well.  :peace:


Nice!

Everyone around here probably has seen me doubt CD very very much , and i pretty much put down or question any and every thing that is GN'R CD related , I was even questioning the Dr.P thing. But with a new management team , a promo , it sounds like CD is coming out in 2008!  :beer:

I'm starting to get excited now.

Whatever man.  That statement on the website is an endorsement and/or appreciation of what Dr. Pepper did.  It could benefit the band, and already has to some extent, in a promotional capacity.  The band and its management are obviously intelligent individuals.  They have to be cognizant, even if they don't acknowledge it publicly, of the potential benefit to Guns N' Roses.  

Just like they are cognizant of the benefit of being aligned with a famous and reputable manager like Irving Azoff.  That is why you do something like that and announce it in an enthusiastic way.  You feel and believe it will be beneficial to you and your organization.

And, I'm sure it will.  Irving Azoff is a fucking legend.  This is great for GN'R!  It certainly can't be bad to have a heavy hitter like this on board.

Ali

Ali, I think you're looking for things that aren't there and over analyzing this....


The two news stories aren't connected as far as I know, and GN'R didn't know about the Dr Pepper thing beforehand.

Just like Fernando said and Smoking Guns was told in an e-mail (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=51205.msg1056559#msg1056559).





/jarmo

I'm gonna go ahead and be excited about this.

Everyone is excited.  The timing and everything may be pure coincidence.  Either way, this is good.  Weather or not Axl knew or not is moot.  Who really cares.  I don't.

IT should be a non issue really now, as far as legalities.. as GNR camp approved , they now stated they have new management, they are communicating these things. BE FUCKING HAPPY!.lol I am.

 ... and the juggernaut is building steam. Kewl!

I'm starting to get excited again - sho' 'nuff!   :drool:

Nice. I'm all in.....pepper or no pepper. Come on Fernando, get your boy to drop this bitch. :hihi:

always good to get news from the gnr camp, now there's a new management team it's one less thing for axl to concern himself with and hopefully one step closer to the album  :)

What do you mean again?

Who told you to take a break from it?

 :P




/jarmo

That, right there, is subtle humor at its best :hihi:

This is a good sign, thank you!!!

It is very good to hear news like this. I hope we know more about Axl and GNR soon.

CD is out in 2008


I think too much shit is brewing for it not to.

That was my favorite part. Axl you're awesome!

So what position would the lightswitch be in now?  :beer:

Yeah this seems like a peak of anticipation if it isn't out in 08 I'll probably never visit the board again.

Awesome news!!!

CONGRATS TO ALL!!!

(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/congrats.jpg)

WOW :headbanger: :drool:

we've heard from Axl TWO DAYS IN A ROW :o



heres to a CHINESE DEMOCRACY in 2008! :headbanger:

I'll tell you what - I'll buy you your own coffee manufacturing plant, and we'll leave this whole ugly incident behind us - whaddya say old buddy, old pal?  :hihi:

Yes, completely agree.

If nothing happens this year, something really must have gone wrong..

I was thinking the same thing soon as I saw this story. It's pretty awesome.

AXL ROSE Signs With SCOTT WEILAND's Management - Mar. 27, 2008 
 
GUNS N' ROSES frontman Axl Rose has made the following announcement:

"I am very pleased to announce that GUNS N' ROSES and I are now represented by the management team of Irving Azoff and Andy Gould. We are very excited and look forward to working with them and hope our relationship proves beneficial for everyone, especially the fans."

It is interesting to note that up until recently, Azoff Music also managed VELVET REVOLVER, the band featuring Axl's former GN'R bandmates Slash, Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum. Azoff is continuing to represent VR's singer, Scott Weiland, an Azoff spokesperson confirmed to BLABBERMOUTH.NET.

According to a press release, the Dr. Pepper soft drink company has promised a free can of its signature soda to "everyone in America" if GUNS N' ROSES releases its long-delayed new album, "Chinese Democracy", in 2008. Dr. Pepper director of marketing Jaxie Alt said in a statement, "It took a little patience to perfect Dr. Pepper's special mix of 23 ingredients, which our fans have come to know and love. So we completely understand and empathize with Axl's quest for perfection ? for something more than the average album. We know once it's released, people will refer to it as 'Dr Pepper for the ears'because it will be such a refreshing blend of rich, bold sounds ? an instant classic."

Axl Rose responded in a statement: "We are surprised and very happy to have the support of Dr. Pepper with our album, 'Chinese Democracy', as for us this came totally out of the blue. If there is any involvement with this promotion by our record company or others, we are unaware of such at this time."

"Chinese Democracy" has reportedly been in the works since 1995, with Rose the only original member still in the band. According to a report published two years ago by the New York Times, Rose had allegedly burned through $13 million in the studio by that point.

Although a revamped GUNS lineup toured successfully in 2006 and Rose tentatively promised that the record would be out last March, it never materialized and little has been heard about it since. 
 

I think it's cool to have news from GN'R seems like it's been forever since we've heard anything positive,but any news is cool. :smoking:

It seems axl has internet on his house again!
 ;D ;D ;D

great news! hope we have some new info in the upcoming weeks

oh axl! tour in uruguay:P please!
haha

This sounds great...I hope this whole summer tour/promotion for the album thing is true...I'm ready to take the ride again...!

Yet another corner turned, a major one too. Looks like the boys are back on the books!!!

Jarmo, I will concede that I certainly have a habit of overanalyzing things :)

However, I do not think that the Dr. Pepper thing was orchestrated by GN'R or the label, nor I do feel there is any connection between the two stories.

I merely think that one may serve to be a very big and beneficial promotional vehicle should the album drop this year and the other is a very positive thing given Mr. Azoff's reputation and history with very successful acts.

In short, I'm excited as a fan by an interesting couple of days and I do have a habit of overanalyzing, particularly in a state of excitement.

Ali

Things are moving, It's been a long journey for the fans so think how it must of been for the band!  Can't wait to see those guys touring / promoting and making videos again.  It's going to be the single most important album release of all time.

So..in light of everything that has gone down in the last week or so, everything - VR breaking up, Dr P, Axl joining Scott's management team.....I'm thinkin' - VR & GnR are going to team up (under one management), CD will be released, they'll all go out on tour, together,  to promote it - with Dr P's sponsorship & financial backing.     

I'm joking, ok?  Don't get your undies in a bundle! 

However, things might be looking up, here!  Some new action going on, here.  Only time will tell. 
   

good news!

This is fantastic news! And a great way to celebrate my 1500th post!

Now I just need to try and keep focussed at work with all of this going on!

I'm curious if the new management is going to negotiate with the Record Company about certain stuff regarding CD or what the status is. Hmm.

Regardless this is great news and will help a lot!! :)

When it rains, it pours.

(In regards to all this good news.)

Axl wouldn't have chosen Azoff and Gould if he thought they wouldn't be good towards the fans.  Every move seems to have been well thought out.  Measure twice, cut once.  :smoking:

Good deal all around.

This is great news and, presumably, another hurdle cleared in the path towards the ultimate goal.   :D

ah fucking awesome  :D

great news!!    seems the ball is finally rolling (again) : ok:

great news.THX for posting jarmo : ok:

Cool - very good to hear things are getting moving. Here's hoping for more news soon.

Its certainly nice to get this news first-hand from Axl.

am I the only one who find this quite amusing ?
hope they'll do a better job than for VR...

And that, I think, is the best bit of news we could get if we hope to see the album "soon".

I'm not saying the announcement means we WILL....but I think it's an important cog in the machine.

Well i don't think Axl saying "Soon" in a statement again gives him any credit.

he's better off not talking about the damn cd t'ill it's on it's way, cuz no one would belive him anyway

this is great news!!  we're getting closer... i can feel it!!   :beer:

I know that alot of people have pointed it out, but I just wanna say again that the part that makes me most happy is the "especially for the fans" bit. Actions speak louder than words though so I'm hoping we see something cool happen sooner then later.

Any info on CD at this point with the new Management?

Who was managing the band since the parted ways with Merck?

Good to know they've got a respected team to guide them into the future now.  Full speed ahead!

Beta did the job i believe.

I thought she was Axl's personal assistant.  If she was in a management role, my comment in no way was meant to disrespect her (I know she posts here on occasion).  Just the fact that this new group has been through the mill so to speak with other big name bands.  That's a great sign.

Wow, 2 updates in 2 days, almost a record for new GN'R!  :peace:

I waking up in the morning to news like this! Thanks Jarmo, Fernando and Axl. Made my weekend!!

As for the VR thing thats just priceless!!!

By the way can anyone confirm if this is the same Andy Gould that has worked with Rob Zombie? Jarmo or Maybe Fernando?

amyl

it's the same..

I hope they can get Axl behind a computer now and then to inform us...
I would love if the website(gnr.com) would get a page or so to keep us updated about the procces and stuff. just to see a glimp of history in the making called Chinese democracy and the other albums

Cool

Now seal the deal

That would be cool, but I think this forum has done a good job over the past 11 years covering the making of the album.  Last heard, the ALBUM IS DONE, just waiting to be released!  11 years sounds so long, but hit really flown by!

Cool but does this do anything that gets the cd closer to being released?  Guess we will see.

More great news.  What a week.  

I think when you're represented by a management team with the reputation that these guys have, you're more likely to get the record company to deliver the goods for you.  

A shot of tes and a shot of hgh, I'll be young forever and still a GNR fan, waiting is no problem, sounds like the ball is
rolling what great news :)   

All this just brings back memories of the boy who cried wolf once too many times. I disregard all this until I see some actual actions.

VR have many problems, their management is NOT one of them...

Now i can feel it too! Im so happy about these news, im getting very excited now, im praying for CD now  :peace:  Can't wait for next announcement!  8)

What is the role of management?  They don't book shows do they?  Are they the agent that brokers deals with touring companies and record companies?  Do they make sure the band is taken care of?  Do they make decisions for the band, or is that all Axl?  Do they handle promotion and help select first single?  Do they make sure Axl has sushi in dressing room? 

Congrats to gnr and the new management team! :beer:

Good news two days in a row


I thought axl did the job with the assistance of beta.

Well, yes it can be all of that and more, but its up the band really....some bands have their management run their lives, other bands will have management just to kinda be there

It would be nice to know what management for GNR actually does.

send an email to them and ask

Good news indeed.

no ? for what i've seen, there weren't too much promotion about their second LP and their singles, but maybe i'm wrong...

I would say that's more of a record company issue as opposed to management.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_manager

That doesn't explain GN'R specifically, but gives you an idea of what a manager does, or can do, for an artist.




/jarmo

sure, but if i managed some artists and saw that the record company didn't do
anything good for my band, i probably do something to change this state of fact.

The wheels are turning indeed lol, great  :beer:

Sure, I see what you're saying.  But management can only do so much if the record company isn't behind an album.  And if the material on the album is kind of weak, there's only so much anyone can do.

Finally a great news!!!  : ok: : ok: : ok:

sure and if there's too many cooks to spoil the broth...

lets quit this off topic now and congratulate GN'R on topic. ;)

Since Merk has no longer been part of the "Family" I have patiently been waiting for this announcment. Finally it is here! I think this is very, very positive. It's been a great 2 days, that's for sure.

Cheers 

This is very positive news.  I'd like to wish all the best to the band and the new management team, I hope you achieve all that you wish together.

rolling stone also has this story (as well as the dr. pepper one)...

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/03/28/is-chinese-democracy-close-axl-rose-gets-top-management-team/

now all they need is a new song leaked, a guitar player replacement and we got a new tour


since my previous post got misteriously deleted by the powers that be.

you know admns. humour is something to grasp on and irony won't hurt you. so please let free speech be an option.

I fail to see the humour in your post, meanbone. but I see it a little rude to the guitarists whoever you mean :-[

They have been on many famous Late Night Shows (best promotion for any band), all Music stations from TV to Radio, many magazines, they did a live special on MySpace , etc etc etc... then Slash went on a long mediavvhore campaign about his book, Guitar Hero 3 and signature guitars which he still on, it was all over the place.

Yet the album was flushed down the toilet by fans... not because of lack of promotion but because of lack of quality  : ok:

And MeanBone, get over it  :peace:

i don't mean it like that, it's nothing more that a joke on how we got the previous tour and how we're here now with something in common.

If anything i love this band, more than any previous member, but i didn't mean it as disrespect to Rich, Robin nor Bumble in way...

Just a giggle... sure humour can be questioned and what strikes me as funny may seem downright stupid to someone else, but it wasn't meant to be analized so deeply!


well i'm sorry if i offended anyone with that post, it really wasn't my idea of fun to that.


cheers and carry on the good work

lack of quality ? it was much better than the first one and selled less.
slash promoted himself, and in other countries than USA, velvet revolver is kind of an anonymous thing.

anyway, this is cool to see there's a real new management, and i hope the problems with the record company are solved.
time for the first single !

This is exciting news.  And lets just remember that whether its musicians, actors, or global corporations, we the public are told only what they want us to know.  We can take Axl's at face value that they had nothing to do with the Dr. Pepper promo but to emphatically deny that it is even possible that there is a tie in here is ignorant.  For example, Nikki Sixx has denied many rumors over time regarding Motley Crue that turned out to be true later on.

Anyway, looking forward to more exciting news this year!

axl is not nikki.
If there had been a tie beforehand, both dr pepper and  axl would have gone like 'we're  pleased to announce that...'

I just see the dr pepper thing was popped up when gnr was about to announce its new management team.

Could this be the start of some promotion???


Frist dr.pepper gets in.  and I don't care if gnr and management didn't know about it
but let's look it at this.

dr. pepper does his thing but axl could take advantage of it by asking them for gnr promotional cans or whatso ever.

2) New management.
axl's silence is over 2 post in one week wow.

3) radio stations are playing Twat and CD again after they have been told not to in 2006-07

The whole last week news was all over the world even in holland

BUILD UP THAT HYPE IT"S THE BEST TIMING!

that's all I needed to say

thank god the ball is rollin now !

It's on the Billboard mag site too in their business section.

http://billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/genre/e3i0253b4ed794b135ad27ec5aaf6b22278?imw=Y

this gets even more interesting. irving also manages VR. hmmmmm......get my drift?

Managed and no.




/jarmo

so he doesnt manage them anymore?

As far as I know, no.

I think that band changed managers a while ago.



/jarmo

ok, i didnt know that. but if he still manages them, you can understand some questions that may pop up.

No he doesn't manage VR anymore, but he still manages Scott Weiland.  Should be fun at the company christmas gathering...

I read earlier in this thread that this group still manages Scott Weiland, but not VR or any of its other members anymore.  So if you're insinuating that Axl may join forces with Scott because they have management ties, I don't think I see that happening.

Awesome news!!!  :beer:

The dude is getting his ducks in a row. I still say something's going to happen this year but I won't speculate because you know where that gets you.

Bring it on Guns!

Great news.  I am a happy man!

isn't beta axl's manger now ?

If nothing else... it's nice to know that Axl will have some serious firepower on his side when it comes to Universal and getting the album out. My big fear was that Universal was basically just going to sit on CD for awhile and push Axl and Beta around as some kind of sick revenge grudge... seems a lot less likely now.

On the other hand... for all I know, getting high quality reliable representation (as opposed to Universal having to deal with Axl, Beta and all their eccentricities directly) may have been a pre-condition for Universal to agree to move forward with CD. Either way... great news. :beer:

Excellent news.  Hell, any news is good news, you know?  It's great to see progress, and to have GnR showing up all over the place (makes me thirsty for a Dr. Pepper, in fact).  

I find it interesting, however, to hear that GnR and Axl are *both* being managed by Azoff and Gould.  I understand it, but I've always thought of Axl and GnR as one entity, so it's weird to read them of them as separate, if that makes any sense.

Hopefully, more good things will continue to happen for Axl, the band, and the fans...

To BAzgnr* axl needs individual representation for times such as when he appears on bachs album and other appearances.

You've read the announcement that started this thread, right? ???

There are many bands that have members who are managed by several different people. I think he we just making sure people know they're all managed by the same person.

wired only to the eyes of the fans of that band. not to me.

:hihi:

horsey, that band is not GNR.  ;)

It?s on Rolling Stone now:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/03/28/is-chinese-democracy-close-axl-rose-gets-top-management-team/

I'd say Beta would be considered Axl's personal assistant rather than business manager.

I think he's saying the management team will manage GNR and that they will also be Axl's personal management team for things not GNR-related.  The other musicians in GNR may also have their own individual managers that promote their careers and side gigs and such.

wahaayy proper news
You need a management team for a reason

new GNR realy does fucking rock the show at wembley was blinding and the leaked tracks sound great.

I hope to feck that this means thereis going to be some serious quantity of free soft drinks soon!

wonder what news will happen tomorrow. third time lucky maybe  :P

tis great to hear anything from the band/axl an lets hope this is a start of good things to come

can someone direct me to the "jus got home wasted" thread as i see cars flyin past my window an a gremlin is chewin my foot  :confused:

Of course, but while GN'R was without a manager my believe and impression is that she took on the role as manager while they were looking for something permanent?

She has done quite a bit of press in this period too hasn't she?... And that is something she didn't do much before.

Edit: Wonder if the lack of proper heavy management has had any serious impact on the release issue? Not saying that Beta is a sub par manager or anything like that...

Great news!  So close now! :beer:

Here's a quote from the new managers, Irving Azoff and Andy Gould:



"Axl Rose and Guns N Roses is and will always be one of the most important recording and touring artists of our time, and one of the great rock n roll voices for his generation. We are honored that Axl has placed his trust in us."

Irving/Andy

Things do seem to be moving. But we've been down this road before. It definitely is good news, though.

Call me naive, but I think this is the "real deal".

I think so too.  With these guys resumes, they certainly have their shit together and the credentials to back it up.

I bet Axl is breathing a real sigh of relief right now!  I am so glad for them that they got this new team.

I guess she could be considered the "Interim" manager while he was scouting.

Awesome. Thanks Jarmo. It's nice to hear from them and they should know they are very welcome in the GNR family! :)

Ive been thinking of this all day and this has to really mean something. U dont hire new managers unless u plan on doing something.... right?

I hope Mr. Azoff and Mr. Gould tear a new one for the "nice people" over at Universal.

EDIT:  ;D

it really took you the whole day to make this conclusion ? 
it took me 30 seconds.  :hihi:

B?szke vagyok a "kicsik?re"...
 ;)

completely agree with this person!






..i really have no idea what they said.

They updated the website adding this statement in, FYI.

That's good to read.

If anyone thinks that a manager of Irving Azoff's track record would agree to work with GN'R if he didn't think they would be successful, then they need to take a closer look at his resume.

Ali

maybe this new mgmt team has the clout to kick axl in the ass when he needs it and won't just be telling him what he wants to hear  :love: :love:

^Meh. I have a feeling he fires those types.

Completely agree with you, Ali, and let's hope those (particularly in the media) still insisting that the album will never be released get this message too.  : ok:

"We are honoured that Axl has placed his trust in us."  My first thought to this was, "And so you should be!"    ;D

Second, more considered, thoughts, pointed out to me that in their first sentence, they had encapsulated precisely how I feel about Axl and Guns N' Roses and that if they genuinely believe this, then here are two people who are far more than just financial experts; they actually understand the essence of GNR.

Way back when Axl began rebuilding GNR some of us believed in his ability to do just that and trusted his judgement on the way forward.  Axl repaid our trust by assembling a band that exudes energy and feeds on the chemistry of the creative souls within it in order to produce music of outstanding quality and emotional resonance.  In touring and making this music public, Axl (GNR) trusted that there'd be elements of the old fanbase that would understand, appreciate his vision and enjoy being part of the ride again.  This time we were able to repay that trust and make the 06/07 tour the success it deserved to be.  It felt like our instincts were leading us on the right path and now it seems like another piece of the jigsaw has slotted into place.

However, as easily as the words 'trust' and 'belief' trip off the tongue, they cannot convey even an ounce of the emotional highs and lows of the past decade of GNR's history, nor can they account for why so many fans continue to support the band.  That's what the music is for and that's why I think we are all still here.

Is Axl "one of the great rock 'n' roll voices for his generation"?  Absolutely, without question.  And yet, his influence and appeal doesn't end there because during the tour I witnessed a younger generation discovering this band and embracing it with all the fervour and intensity of their older associates.

So, as long as Axl can keep the candle burning and the management team exercise both their business muscle and imagination, then the legend will continue to dazzle.*   :D

(* Thanks to Elton/Bernie - and apologies for the sentimental use of their imagery.)

I guess that since they mentioned GN'R as a touring artist in a present tense these guys will have been put in place to organise an upcoming tour that will coincide with an upcoming release : ok:

Got a good feeling about this  : ok:

I'm just happy they're communicating with us.  I'm tired of seeing updates on the main page about GNR members' pet projects doing stuff but not GNR itself.

Wow, let's not overazalyze a press release-it's all good news, to pick apart a press release stating they are happy to work with GNR is a bit much

Bah. I have a feeling you're under a misconception about him.

What/who is Dr Pepper? ???

Thankz J.

**********

Irving/andy, managers of AXL & GNR... not Manager of Finck, Dizzy, Toomy, etc.

 :beer:

HBK *

Now I'm expecting another annoucement within the next week or so....someone needs to tell us what the plan is at least?!?!  Will they tour this year?  Is the album REALLY going to be released or just more excuses...lets see this thing come out!!

I think they won?t say a word untill they are 100% sure that things are finally set and ready.

haha.. havent we been asking those same questions for the last 10 years ??

good for GnR i bet everybody is ready to get back out on the road and im ready for a 08' tour

I believe it means they represent GN'R as a whole as well as Axl personally.

Tommy, Dizzy, Robin, Chris, Richard, Ron and Frank are all part of GN'R.


My guess is that, for example things having to do with Dizzy's current tour, won't be handled by Irving Azoff and/or Andy Gould because it's not about GN'R.





/jarmo

If, if ... So I wanted to say ...

 :beer:

HBK *

I do beg your pardon, I thought this was a discussion board.

I am very jealous of Azoff and Gould...think about it, they probably get to hear e v e r y  s o n g !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Lucky s.o.b.'s.   :yes:

Hopefully we will be able to join them on that venture, soon.

With a company slogan like this, how can Axl and the band go wrong?


My advice for management would be to get some new merchandise out there already!  I've wanted to buy GNR stuff for the past 7 years.  Aside from some kick-ass concerts and concert tees, I'm left wantin more.  Pardon my bitching.  :peace:

Today I was at the mall and hit Spencer's.  They still have those old Appetite logo bar glasses...although one of the 4 was cool (it had the UYI album cover) I want more! 

I'm sure we've got a lot of great stuff coming up very soon.   :yes:

I hope they make advertisers and magazines use updated photos of Axl ( instead of seeing pics from 87-02) tired of mtv using those 02 VMA photos.

they should fix a photoshoot with all the current bandmembers

so this is the 3rd management that GNR has had over the years right? 


Doug Goldstein
Merck
and now these guys

does Vicki Hamilton count?

Alan Niven was the band's manager before Doug Goldstein.




/jarmo

stravenski (sp?) brothers....

Great point. I think everyone knows that Axl was going through a kind of "rough" patch appearance wise in 01-02... and yet these are the photos that are always used. Very annoying... and I suspect... intentional. He looked so much better in 2006-07. The 87-93 photos are always awesome... but they tend to call attention back to the old band and are just generally "dated" at this point anyway.

As posted above, an updated photo set with the full band for promotional purposes would be a great idea.

This hasn't been stated in either Axl's statement or the Azoff/Gould statement, but I wonder, do people think that Azoff/Gould would ask to hear the album before agreeing to manage the band?

I would want to know exactly what GN'R was trying to get released to ascertain how successful it could be for them, and subsequently myself as the manager. 

I mean, this guy Irving Azoff has managed some really successful artists.  It's so many successful artists that I think he could have his pick of who to manage and consequently wouldn't manage anyone that he didn't think could be successful and bring him success.

Ali

As Jarmo pointed out, it was Alan Niven because in my GN'R Lies booklet it says "Guns N' Roses are managed by Alan Niven for Stravinski Brothers"

I'm sure once the release date is set, photo shoots, interviews, etc. are sure to follow.

Funny. That's the first question I had in my mind. My guess would be yes. Axl/GN'R don't do a lot of "other" events, records, dvd's, movies etc... and there's no imminent reunion. So they pretty much must be managing Axl/GN'R primarily b/c of Chinese Democracy... and that being the case... I'm sure they would have wanted to hear it before agreeing to the representation.

So, IMHO this management agreement is potentially a very good sign about CD's "quality"... at least in the eyes of these two industry veterans.

It does seem kind of strange that this incarnation of the band has been touring off and on since 2000 and there's still not a studio press shot of them. When it does happen, I think it will go a long way to dispelling the image of this as 'Axl and the other guys' rather than a bona fide band.

at the same token, mabye axl hasnt felt confident or comfortable with taking a photo of the current incarnation of the band members during the period of the early 00's... as their was constant changes in the band, etc bucket , paul, ...

But now the band looks tight, and I think their should just be a photo of:
ax, dizzy, pitman, stinson, ron , richard, robin and frank.

thats the band in 08

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/259/14tmv09jh5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

wasnt this pic taken from some form of photo session?

They are not happy to be on a photo I guess.. only Axl and Tommy are  :hihi:

Judging by the logo's on the wall behind the band, it would appear that it was taken at the  Download Festival backstage 2006.

Before they went onstage at Donnington.

Wonder what Mysteron has to say about all this new activity thats been happening. You would think that negotiations are over by now.

ah, right, didnt realize that, thanks!

kinda funny having Axl at a "download"-festival  :hihi:

the band was managed by stravinski brothers, then alan left and took gnr with him.

Please explain. What exactly are you disagreeing with/trying to correct?



Alan Niven is mentioned as the manager in both Appetite For Destruction and GN'R Lies.

Alan Niven/Stravinski Brothers.

Sounds kinda like Merck/Sanctuary or Doug/Big FD.

You know, manager and the company....





/jarmo

Really? 'Cuz that's not what we're all hoping for.  :hihi:

not disagreeing/correcting. re-read my response. it answers the question.

I may be going out on a limb here but I wouldn't be surprised if we get a release date in may with the album dropping in July.  With the new management I think the neogations will go rather quickly or who knows those could be done.  with little left to do !!

this is great news to come home to after being away a few days at a business convention.

congrats to Axl and the band for finally finding a solid replacement for Merck, and best wishes to everyone in the GnR camp  :peace:

This has like a 0.000000000000000000000001% chance of happening, but a release date announcement on Tuesday (yes, April Fools) would cap all of this off perfectly, especially if the headline confirmed it wasn't a joke.

It won't happen, but just saying.

Who is BIG HONEY in Angel down it says assistant to mr rose big honey???

Beta?

I don't know, maybe a single this summer isn't too much to hope for. I just can't imagine that after all this time, C.D. would be anything other than a Fall release.

Time will tell. At least the wheels finally seem to be turning again.

true but only time will tell, and until we hear something direct from gnrs new management..
only then we can assume and presume the best  :hihi:

Well nice to see at least the mgmt thing seems to be moving in the right direction....any news is good news at this point and getting the right people could prove to be beneficial in the way of the albums release...

 :peace:

Everything is lining up nicely.  We know the album is done, as in really, actually done.  Axl has been negotiating with the label.  Now there is a top flight management team in place.  I know we've said this before but I think this is actually the year.  Plus Axl said he'd share is DP with Buckethead so that alone says it will be coming out in 2008  :hihi:

Who asked you?

Judging from the quotes, my wild guess would be Limulus...  :P

Go back to Bonjovi.com or .org or whatever...  ;D

 :rofl:

Still upset about Richie Sambora?

It's okay, little buddy.


and, Shut up Christos.

Shut up biatch.  :smoking:

enough of the bitches talk

now back on topic bastards,


when do you think we will hear some official news as to the new managements future plans and dealings ?

are we talking about days , weeks or months...?

I don't think that this changes much as far as communications go.  I'm sure Axl doesn't want to make any announcements about CD until all plans are finalized and set in motion.  So when we hear something still all depends on where things are at with negotiations.  But the good news is that having good management should make that process go more quickly, as this is what they do, while what Axl does best is make music and rock the fuck out!

Shut up X-tos. Shouldn't you be busy with planning your trips to see NKOTB?

 :-X



/jarmo

So you guys DO have the same taste in music?   :P

I wouldn't like to guess.  These news guys could come in and want to totally change things up.   That could mean another few years.  Or maybe they're just here to add some finishing touches and we'll see news in the next month or two.   I wouldn't like to guess. 

If Axl can't cut a deal with Mr Iovine, him and the new management team need to shop the Chinese recording sessions and potential Gnr tours to Live Nation. Work a deal where Live Nation settles the account with Uni, then cuts a new deal with the new Gnr. On top of that, Axl could try to put together a reunion deal as a part of another contract with Live Nation. The reunion deal would possibly help solidify a better contract for the new band...as a way to entice Live Nation to pay for the albums-recording of them, promotion, etc. Sounds insane but Axl could have his cake and eat it too if he really wanted too. Ahhh, I 'm just dreaming but he COULD do both if he really wanted. :P

Why would you think that?  I think that now that there's a real management team in place, the real negotiations may just be getting started.  But hopefully they can be completed now in a reasonable amount of time.

I sure would hope that the new guys realize that Axl's not getting any younger . . .  Another few years would be devestating!!!

Regarding a reunion tour - I really really really can't see that happening in the foreseeable future. There is no way that Axl would tour, yet again, with the original line up until the new line up is finished. If the reunion thing does happen, I see it being years in the future after maybe 2 or 3 albums with the new line up when that finally ends. Then we'll see a reunion thing similar to the way Led Zep did recently where they'll only play a few shows and tickets will cost hundreds.

I know this is off topic slightly but just replying to the quote above.

No, I liked them when they were living on the streets, before they sold out.

 ;)

Maybe you and X-tos can hold hands at the NKOTB shows.





If the record company wants to sell the rights to somebody else....





/jarmo


PS Shut up X-tos.

Jarmo, correct, IF the record company wanted to do that. Also, obviously any reunion stuff would be after the new Gnr thing is over. For all we know, that could be tomorrow or that could be 10 years from now. The reunion thing is always a bargaining chip that Axl has in his pocket.

I don't get the whole X-tos thing... I suppose, I have to be from elsewhere, where they do gay stuff and name gay people with gay names.  But, I am well aware that you 'Jarmo' is on my side - but seriously, how can one hang out with Adz?  That's all I have to say, I saw his myspace and is like, whoa.

What does a manager do?  Don't they manage for things to happen?  Imagine what a great manager does... even better, imagine what TWO great managers can do...

As for NKOTB, seriously hands down the best insult ever.

Can't see Axl ever doing that gig man. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that Axl was really p1$$3d off with the rest of the band, their habits and I would imagine, the demons Axl has laid to rest involve the first incarnation, can't see him returning there again.  If anything that I've learned about the new guys, is that they are professional, clean and dependable, a place Axl feels at ease in. To some degree, these guys have given Axl the creditability that he's been after, touring, great shows and step into the 21st century, a big departure from 1990's.

At best I could see the odd old member playing a number or two at a show or two, but nothing long term or all together, but hayhoo, this is Gn'R land where anything is possible...

Screw the old band they couldn't get their shit straight back then and sure can't now.  Axl's smart he isn't gonna touch them with a 10 ft pole.  Back to the subject I think this management team is getting the CD out in 08.

I'm trying to not overreacting, but that quote made me happy. :D

Do you know where they invented that stuff?

GREECE!

It's true, I saw it in a movie:

Sidewinder Boss: Hey. Hey. How many times do I have to tell you? No shirt, no service. Get the hell out of my store. What do you think this is, Club Med?
Doug: It's called America, dude. Learn the rules.
Sidewinder Boss: "Learn the rules?" No, YOU learn the rules. We Greeks invented democracy.
Doug: You also invented homos.
Sidewinder Boss: Fuck you.
Doug: You wish. You gotta buy me dinner first.


Classic!  ;D





He's tall. It's the perfect decoy when you don't want attention.....




Good point.  : ok:




/jarmo

Tsk, tsk, you youngsters!  Axl's still got a good few years left in him yet...  ;)

I Love sitting back and watching everyone else talk trash. That way I can just laugh and stay out of trouble. lol
amyl

yeah Just think what two good managers can do. I am so looking forward to this!!!

I sure wish I was a youngster!  I've no doubt Axl's got a few good years left in him, but I'm talking big picture - beyond CD.  If this album was his last hoorah, that'd be one thing.  But he's got a lot left to do - so let's get the show on the road (so to speak)!!!

I'm with you on that one.   :D

And if we're talking beyond CD, it would be the icing on the cake, but well, I'm not daring to hope at this stage...

when I saw this on the front page news section, all I saw at first was "Axl announces" and I almost shit myself :hihi:

Good point. 

After the (first?) album comes out, who knows how long its going to go from there.

We can only hope that all the speculation about 3 or 4 successive albums coming out thereafter is true and hopefully by that time there will be no further delays or issues coming up once everything is settled before "Chinese Democracy" comes out.

Axl is getting older yes but I think he will have at least one or two more world tours in him.

I did the same thing last week. Funny.  :hihi:

Fuck you both...  No dinner required...  :P

Thanks to somebody at the bar:

Robin's on the net!

Alright

From eonline.com...in part:

New Music from Guns N' Roses

Guns N' Roses fans, the more-than-a-decade-in the-making album Chinese Democracy really does seem to be getting very close to a release date.

No, really. This is what I'm hearing:

Axl Rose & Co. have recently been letting people, music industry honchos, tastemakers and so forth, listen to six new tracks, according to a music executive who has heard the songs.

The exec raved about the music. ?It?s really good,? he said. ?Axl?s voice sounds exactly the same, but the songs sound contemporary.

Reps didn?t talk about exact release dates, according to my source, but they implied it could still happen by the end of the year. (Yes, I know we've heard this before.)

Just last week, Rose announced on the official Guns N? Roses website that the band hired a new management team headed by heavyweights Irving Azoff and Andy Gould.

The band?s last original recordings, Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, were released in 1991. Since their debut in 1985, they have sold an estimated 90 million albums worldwide.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/planetgossip/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2ec9c617-6394-40e3-bd9e-29cd304270b5/

90 million????? Wow!  Didn't know it was that high...

Appetite: 20
UYI 1: 8
UYI 2: 8
Lies: 7
Spaghetti: 3
Live Era: 2
Greatest Hits: 5

Hmmm.. Oh well, I am sure I am missing something.  Could be US numbers I am looking at.

yeah those are us numbers I think though the look a little higher then the last time I seen them.

Actually, those are U.S. numbers.  I don't know where you got those numbers. 

I have:

AFD: 15
Lies: 5
UYI 1: 7.5
UYI 2: 7.5
TSI?: 1
Live Era: Gold
GH: 4

But 90 million is the generally accepted number of units sold across the world.

I estimated because those were the same numbers back in 1997 or 1999.  I am sure Live Era has pushed more than 500,000 units.

Can someone find out which six songs? Because this could be some guy who heard the leaks and wants to write a news story because he wants to fluff his reputation or he doesn't know that those are older demos.

Anyway the bolded portion is awesome, wouldn't expect anything less from Uncle Axl.

Contemporary...........hmmmm.. I don't know if that is a good word to use.  Who knows what songs he heard, but I wouldn't call "Chinese Democracy" a contemporary tune.  Or "IRS"....  I bet all he heard was Madagascar and Cather in the Rye, cause everything else rocks the fuck out.

Sweet! I can't wait to see what he is up to over there!! robinfinck.com!!
amyl

Love you Fernando :-* ;) ;)

Stop hitting on Fernando in public. Take it to PMs.

 :P





Why not? You prefer music that sounds dated?


Like when everybody started using that vocoder effect on their songs because Cher had a hit song where they used one.




/jarmo

I think azd is a bit too skinny to hide yourself behind....


amen to that. No pepper for madagas.
By that time,  it will be a reunion, if any, of this band, ie Chinese democracy one.

I didn't know you were such a big Cher fan! 

Jarmo <3 Cher!


Of course the music has to sound somewhat contemporary!!!!!!!!

yep the part has me baffled is  "Axl?s voice sounds exactly the same"

axl sounds better than ever and according to axl  people would go it doesn't sounds like axl!

Contemporary, just sounds sterile and boring.  I just would want Guns N' Roses to be anything but "contemporary".  Are we talking about Elton John or Guns N F'N Roses.  Maybe I am confused as to what "contemporary" means.  I always think of the Adult Contemporary radio station where they play John Tesh or Tori Amos.  I guess the Killers would be Contemporary.  I know what you mean Jarmo, I don't want dated.  But that term doesn't really apply to GNR.  Cause GNR has never been a band that plays for the current time.  Axl's music is timeless anyway.  You know? 

na in this context contemporary means modern.  not the genre Adult Contemporary

Man, I seriously think that the record exec who heard the tracks just meant that the tunes don't sound dated, like Poison sounds dated.  I don't think he meant they sounded like the Killers or like Adult Contemporary, but just like a fresh, vibrant, evolution of Guns N' Roses.

Ali

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!  I HOPE YOU GUYS SEE WHERE I TOOK THAT THE WRONG WAY.  I just never really heard of a hard rock band's music be called that before, especially GNR. 

I'm yet to be convinced that the writer actually heard these things from the execs  ::)
and that this gossip has to be discussed in two threads.

He quoted one exec directly.  How else is he to prove he heard those things?

I don't think it's pure gossip when he has an actual source who heard the songs being played.  It'd be one thing if he heard from someone who heard from someone, etc., but that isn't the case here.

Ali

and what's the name of the exec?  what's the name of the writer?

For obvious reasons, that cant be stated , as then he will be hassled by email etc by every gnr fan to find out more about chinese democracy,
such as the 6 songs they heard, etc....


dont know, not really important though..

Exactly!  There is a very plausible and understandable reason why the exec wouldn't want to go on record.

The writer's name and picture are at the top of the E! Online article page.  His name is Marc Malkin.

Ali

Yeah, exactly :hihi:
Hope the new management works for them now, 6 tracks? We're getting music soon then I hope.

Guys, calm down...

First of all, when someone is expecting a "trainwreck" and he finds the music contemporary and not dated, it's FUCKIN' GOOD!!!

Second, it's E!online, why would they post such a thing about Guns N' Roses in 2008 if it isn't true?

The wheels are turning...

It's just not the weekend if the GNR fan base isn't banging on your door.  That's two in a row for new management.  Welcome to camp guys!  You might want to give that Tommy cd another listen--lol.  And buy the large size bottle of asprin.

Of the E! Online planet gossip. Jimmy iovine didn't seem to mind the said hassles in 2006.

Yes I believe a free can of dr pepper in the us and Chinese democracy in 2008. because axl is trying to make it happen.
Yep execs must have heard the album and loved it.
Nothing new.

Like the word recently, how recent it is?

I've seen NYT carry sloppy article.
I'd take a sourceless story with a grain of salt. This is not from GNR camp, Mysteron or my friends.