Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Not really a huge rap/hip-hop fan, but I do like some artists.

I love Public Enemy and N.W.A, and liked Dre, Ice Cube, 2-Pac, Ice-T, Snoop, Eazy-E and a few others.

However, when I hear people blasting rap music from their cars, or hear it on MTV, I loathe 99% of what I hear. It's just fucking awful, generic, soulless shit.

Opinions?

I totally agree with you...good rap is DRE,Snoop,Ice Cube, 2 Pac, Eminem...the rest is shit

i like outkast :yes:

hey ya is pure brilliance

The first four PE albums are total classics.

^  Amazing how easy that was... If you actually enjoy the genre, there is quality music out there.  "Awful, generic, soulless shit" isn't limited to one genre.   : ok:

What's Good:  Lupe Fiasco, Common, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Outkast, Blackalicious ... and of course you've got the classics:  Run DMC, Grandmaster Flash, Eric B. & Rakim, Naughty By Nature, Wu Tang, A Tribe Called Quest, Biggie, 2 Pac, Nas, Jay-Z (his first album, Reasonable Doubt, is one of the most solid rap CDs I've heard)

What's Shit:  Anything that starts with "Lil'", "Young", or "T-"something....  :P

... and I know Kanye get shit on a lot, but he's easily the most creative producer out there right now.

ill agree with everyone on outkast.

andre 3000 is a genius.

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MF Doom

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Talib Kweli

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Ghostface


Check them out.

Dr. Dre has fantastic beats, i love Chronic and Chronic 2001.

Eminem is great but his last album sucked.

i don't reall listen to either that much anymore, but i'd definitely be interested if Dr. Dre ever released DETOX, which has become the Chinese Democracy of the rap world haha.

I really like Wu-Tang and Eminem.

I've got to be honest that I really never gave the genre a chance, since most of the rap and hip-hop that gets air time is crap.

But there's always time for more, new music...

NWA -  Greatest Hits
Eminem -  The Marshall Mathers LP

That's about it.

I'm all over the place when it comes to rap and hip-hop.  Early De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, NWA, Kayne West, Eminem, Dre, and Public Enemy about sum it up for me.

i'm suprised noone has mentioned Jurassic 5. outstandingly talented.

Here are my favorite rap artists:

Immortal Technique

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Songs worth checking out:

The Point of No Return
Angels of Death
The Prophecy
Black Out Special
The Poverty of Philosophy

Canibus

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Some of my favorite songs:

My Home Atlanta
Liberal Arts
Desperados
Get Retarded
I Honor You
4 Horsemen
2000 B.C.
100 Bars
Niggonometry
Master Thesis
Rip the Jacker

Royce Da 5'9"

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My favorite songs:

I And Me
Boom
Hip Hop
King of Kings
I Promise
You Can't Touch Me

7L & Esoteric

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Favorite tracks:

Rise of the Rebel
Five Perfect Exertions
Chain Reaction
Protocol
Speaking Real Words
Public Execution
God's Angry Men

Jedi Mind Tricks

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Some of my favorite tracks:

Blood Runs Cold
The Rage of Angels
On the Eve of War
Tibetan Black Magicians
Army of the Pharoahs

the little rap i do like is Eminem, most deff (sp?), dre, snoop, tu-pac, the notorious B-I-G, and wu-tang. Allthough i don't have any CDs of theres i think that these are really the best in the business that have to much pride to sell out to MTV.

wu-tang clan aint nottin' to fuck with

:peace:

the best rappers, 

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i always liked Ice-T, I suppose some beastie boys tracks could be considered rap..

I listen to virtually no Rap. However, of late, I have been listening to a little N.W.A. and Digital Underground.

Agreed!  Jurassic 5 is awesome, as are the Dream Warriors.

rage against the machine owns :yes:


zack is rappin' don't say anything else

ahhhhh hahahahahaha  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You don't think snoop and Eminem have sold out to MTV?

Snoop is the Gene Simmons of rap, he will do anything if he gets his paycheque.  I remember a few years back he struck a deal to release a line of hot dogs called "Snoop Doggs".   :hihi:

I've decided to check out NWA - straigh outta compton  :)


if god can dig 'em, maybe i can too ;D

Worst rappers are Soulja Boy by far

I think Lil Wayne is completely overrated.

ANT RAP - Adam Ant

A Rap from 1980!  :o

Worth listening to.

Ive found quite a love for Run DMC

It's all very hit or miss for me, and definitely a matter of individual taste.  As someone who loves most genres of music, I find myself going for any rap or hip hop acts that either show great lyrical skill or insight, or make good use of music and melody.   

Among them are De La Soul, Dr. Dre, Eminem (The Marshall Mathers LP in particular), Atmosphere, Beastie Boys, Lil Wayne (the R&B style tracks, not the god-awful club music garbage), Jurassic 5, Jay-Z., Public Enemy, etc.

That said, I still can't say I've ever found many hip-hop albums that I can enjoy from start to finish.

i thought about that exact same thing yesterday, i said to myself, while listening to some rap "this is pretty good but there have never been a single record that i've liked and dug all songs, but there's plenty of rock records, so that's why i'm a rocker not hiphopper"  :hihi:

hey rockers,
hip hoppers and everybody all around the world now move in,
now move out hands up or hands down back up,
back up tell me what ya gonna do now breathe in,
now breathe out hands up or hands down back up,
back up tell me what ya gonna do now keep rollin',
rollin', rollin', rollin'  8)

that song was the shit when i was like 10 years old :rofl:

I listen to quite a lot of hip hop some of my favourite artists are:

2Pac (I especially love the 'Makaveli' album, that's some DEEP shit)
Scarface
Yukmouth
Kurupt
Redman
Notorious B.I.G.
Big Pun
Cypress Hill
House of Pain (Check out Everlasts new group LA Coka Nostra)
Esham
Twiztid
Klashnekoff (He's a rapper from England)

I hate the following:

Master P
Soulja Boy
T - Pain
Lil Wayne
Young Jeezy
Missy Elliott
Bizarre (From D-12 - He can't rap for shit and isn't "funny" or 'shocking")
and all that oither wack shit that comes on MTV.

WORD, it all sucks!!!

I'm certainly not a fan of rap or hip hop or any of that stuff. But you have to admit, some of those people are pretty talented. I wouldn't dare say it all sucks because like it or not, some of it is pretty catchy. And that is point of a lot of hip hop, right?

I know that some artists can be considered poets as well, with their deep lyrics and all that. It just isn't my kind of poetry, but that doesn't mean it's no good.

the point of 99 percent of music played on the radio is to be catchy.

yes, most rap music usually has some catchy chorus or hook that is repeated throughout the song, but it's mostly about the lyrics with rap artists, even more so than rock music.  i base most of my opinions of rap music based on lyrics and the beat.  the song has to have an amazing beat and decent lyrics or vice versa for me to like it

i dig stuff like nwa, a tribe called quest, dre, black star, outkast, snoop...etc
more recently i dig kanye west, common, lupe fiasco and talib kweli

Yes, but not always at the expense of pure musical quality. Rock and other instrument based genres have more inherent musical quality than hip hop I think, at least as far as instrumentation goes.

It's all music, yes, but who is more of a musician, Snoop or Slash? If that's a bad example then let's compare 50 cent to Axl.

Another thing to consider is that good instrument based music is often an extension or a calculated evolution of a previously laid musical structure. Whereas hip hop and the like is much more amorphic. It is like poetry, you have free verse and then you have more disciplined forms. To me anyway.

I guess you're right that rock music has more musical quality - (Most) rap consists of the same (or similar) beat throughout the song, so its less about the music than it is about the lyrics.  Its really hard to tell who more of a musician is when you're talking about cross-genre stuff like that.  I'm sure both Slash and Snoop Dogg put a lot of work into making their albums.

I really think its tougher to make rap music than most people think it is.  You have to get a perfect beat and then get a good bunch of other instruments or effects around the beat to make it sound good.  Then, you have to have the perfect flow and good lyrics.  In the long run it could take a similar/longer amount of time than a rock album.  It all depends on the people working on it.

I like your last paragraph though, i think i totally agree with that.