Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Coca-Cola South Africa, in conjunction with its media partner, 5FM and My Coke Fest organizer Big Concerts, regrets to announce that Guns ?n Roses will no longer form part of the line-up of the music festival taking place in Johannesburg and Cape Town on April 27 and May 1 respectively.
Guns ?n Roses were forced to postpone the second leg of their global tour including appearing at My Coke Fest, due to an injury recently sustained by the group?s bassist, Tommy Stinson.
Commenting on his injury, bassist Tommy Stinson said: "I feel so bad right now. I accidentally fell down a flight of stairs. I put my hand down to break my fall and heard a loud 'pop.' The next morning I went to see my doctor, and the bad news is it's severely sprained and I may have done some ligament damage. I feel horrible.
?We'd like to apologize to our fans who were looking forward to seeing us for their patience and support."[/size][/size]

It's the same old with guns and roses. I just heard the news this morning, announced by the radio station bringing them out. for a country that has never experienced the Gunners before i am really disappointed. I've been waiting my whole life to see them and we just get the same excuse they gave for the Japan tours.

First Japan then South Africa, I am crapping myself now that the next cacelation will be Australia. NOOOOOOO :nervous:

what is the source of this? I must admit that I knew that there was a rumour, but I still smell bullshit...

SOURCE:

http://www.5fm.co.za/events/eventsdetails.aspx?id=7281

sorry: http://www.5fm.co.za/events/eventsdetails.aspx?id=7281

DAMN; DAMN; DAMN IT!!!

Damn it.!!  whats going on!?   why is this happening???   remember when gnr cancelled a tour 'cuz buckethead's illness???   i hope the story doesnt repeat.  Im lookin foward to the mexico shows... i hope they dont cancell them too....

Kind of sucks for Axl. ?He sounded really excited to play these dates too. ? :'(

I just added them up quick, so I'm probably a little bit off, but since their HOB show in 2001 this makes roughly 86 shows played, and 57 canceled.  Tommy is my favorite member, but with a percentage like that they have to find a way to do these shows.  Hopefully they can make the Australia shows.

That really fucking sucks man, and there was just the thread about the odds of GNR making the South African dates
I"m really sorry for you guys out there. Who knows how it will work out for the Australian shows.

GUNS N' ROSES frontman Axl Rose has commented on the band's upcoming first-ever performance in South Africa at the My Coke Fest 2007. The event is scheduled for April 27 in Johannesburg and May 1 in Cape Town, with EVANESCENCE and HOOBASTANK also confirmed on the bill. The show is a sort of sequel to 2006's Coca-Cola Collab Massive Mix, which featured the South African live debut of METALLICA as well as appearances from natives SEETHER and others.

Said Rose: "I've been fortunate enough to play in some of the most historic buildings and stadiums around the world but performing in South Africa will truly be an honor. I can't wait to see South Africa. This is a dream come true."

GUNS N' ROSES is rumored to be planning more touring for later this spring and summer.

Although Rose, who turns 45 today (Tuesday, February 6), posted a message in December revealing a tentative release date of March 6 for the long-delayed GN'R album "Chinese Democracy", there's been no further word on whether the CD will actually surface on that date.

"Chinese Democracy" is the first GUNS N' ROSES album since the 1993 covers collection "The Spaghetti Incident". In the ensuing decade, the group has lost every original member besides Rose and burned through a reported $13 million in recording expenses.

GUNS N' ROSES' "Greatest Hits" collection, which was originally issued in March of 2004, was certified triple-platinum on April 11, 2006 by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) for shipments in excess of three million copies. The CD sold 10,000 copies in the United States last week alone (week ending Jan. 28), bringing the total number of copies sold since its release to 3.43 million, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

Source: Blabbermouth

Thanks newgnr, I forgot about that.

That is really sad for the South African fans but who here is really surpised?

this is very sad news :(  i hope everything is all right in the band

nope not surprissed on bit. Does suck for the people who were going to the shows.

I guess next on their list to postpone/cancel is those date for down under.

This can't be happening ... :no:

Wow, this is really sucky news.. but if hes not ready to play at full..I can understand, and those who say get a replacement. I think in the band ind they would want to go out there with this lineup as the definitive one, and not add more confusion, or lead to speculation and comparisons. I can understand that.

IT sucks for sure ,especially those who in S.A who were looking forward to the shows. But, throwing in a replacement at this stage when the albums on the verge of coming ut, and trying to tour as the band they are now. I can see there hesitation to do something like that. IF this was 2 yrs into shows, and the album was out,sure I can see finding a replacement temp, cause they would already have had CD out, and been proven them self. So yeah I think I can understand this , Even as shitty as it is.

i hope this doesnt mean the same sjit as it was with buckethead

keep the hope up they will be back on the road soon and bring out some material soon

(will not believe they cancelled till its anounced on official website thought )

MY GOD!!!  Come on Axl we know you've got some tricks up your sleeve...just find a replacement!!!

I Won't Be Told Anymore...

So who won the bet in the other thread?  ;)

I just don't know how to feel about this.  I realize Tommy is injured, but is it really THAT hard to get someone else on bass?  These are HUGE shows, and Axl might not ever have another oppurtunity like this.  I thought the point was to tour the ENTIRE world, and then release the album.  Guess were gonna wait a few more years....

"Guns N' Roses have announced that they are postponing the start of their world tour, in Japan, but will honor the two MyCoke festival dates in South Africa at the end of the month."

Why is this still on the official website ?

Please, not anothe false start ...

If they want to do something for the fans now, they should give something back.

Give us a release date.. or some real studio versions of new songs to listen on myspace.

Something.. otherwise I think the end is approaching soon for this band.

I already lost hope I would see this album anytime soon.. maybe never, but at least they were touring and it still made sense in a way. If they cancel more shows after this they're doomed..

Maybe it's just me, but I came on this board for Guns N Roses.. and now I'm mostly here for VR, more excited to hear songs of Libertad. GnR is a band, we want to hear music. No new music makes us care less and less. Yesterday I've listened to Madagascar - I like the song a lot - but it already feels like an oldie to me  :-\

It's gonna be a hard day for moderators (like me   :crying:  ) on every Gnr forums  :confused: , i wish it's a joke  :hihi: ... hope Tommy, the General, get well soon  ;)

Probable still on the official site cause they haven't updated it yet.

how many false starts has this band had??Cause hell I have lost count.

I put people who predict GNR's future doom on a par with television clairvoyants and carny fortune-tellers - which is probably an insult to both of those dubious professions.

Its getting harder and harder to see the point to this band as every day goes by. All of the build up over the last few years is now being rapidly undone by a string of dissapointments and misfortune.

I really hope the band has something positive to say 'soon'.

Why so madd, The Guy is injured, would your really want a replacement? just the way happened with Brain(its the same thing)
leave em alone.

I know it all sounds bs to us, but give the guy respect, if you'd played in a huge band that is trynig to get fans back etc.
would u replace a bassplayer(just after the drumplayer has been replaced, it be a circus again.

This time they are just facing the truth, I think they know we'll be mad if tommy is replaced(if it even is for a little while),
Have some faith, they have 70 shows planned, this year, this is just a minor thing, just wait till the damn anouncement on CD.com

/Janus

as of right now I don't by that they have 70 shows planned. hell even if they did with the way things are going they wont be played...

yea no doubt.  lets not all jump to conclusions and speculate too much.  we dont know whats going on.  for all we know, they could be pulling out of this to get this album out.  but everyone always assumes the negative.

maybe that could be cause of the band track recored with things like this...

thats right, I bet that Gnr is now completing stuff, getting the promotion tour ready(performances on tv etc)
I even think many have been made from July/august,

He's right perhaps it's an positive thing we don't know, let's wait for a while.

Yep, I'm right, there were rumours that Tommy left GNR even before the Versace show, and now this crap, so..
Face it, Tommy's gone and they havent found a replacement yet.. and as far as that goes, they'll re-record everything with their new bass-guitarist..

Could be Don't think it is .But hell with this band I would be shocked .

If they are doing that, now would be a smart time to communicate that to negate the likely build up of negativity this latest (rumoured) announcement. ?Bad news, get some good news out. ?It is unlikely given history of how GnR tends to operate. ?Obviously the good news part would depend on if there is any progress on the CD front, or confirmation of revised dates to tour the affected countries. ?If there isn't any progress on either, then people would begin to read more into it....

FUCK!

Well the first time I heard about the Japanese dates getting postponed I joked about ''Tommy really left GNR''. But now it certainly looks much like it.

If he had left, why would he have allowed them to use his name in the quote about his injury? And why come up with that whole story - truth always outs in the end - people must have seen him around and if he had a busted hand or not...

Same happened with Buckethead remember, people saying he's sick and stuff.. that was also a load of BS.

Like strange Coincidence said why would he let them us him as a scape goat....but then again this is guns were are talking about

they did cancel a tour cause of bucker being sick. wait or was it Axl didn't know they were supoosed to be touring?

There cant been no more excuses for not releasing CD in the next 3-5 months....

Seems strange that they didnt cancellled the SA dates when they cancelled Japan...

Get some positive stff here,



What is going on???

Fact, Mixing began Januari/february, could be done.
Idea., Tracks could been chosen, could be placed in right order
Idea, Art work could be chosen.

Fact they play 70 shows this year, beginning in Asia. that means Europe will come somewhere in July through september and on.

A promotional tour could have been chosen, like tv performances,
Before they head out to Europe you all know something will happen.
We always get stuff sooner then the VS(in release stuf)

While tommy is injured they could have spoken and said something like, Allright this isn't a bad thing guys, let's complete this baby while we still can and have it done before they head out to europe.
Get the single out somewhere in June(late July)

everything can happen, I think we'll get an update before the day's done. or weak

Oh I see an update . but it will be about the sA dates being shit canned

Tommy injury not healing as well as initially thought or worse than first diagnosis....

or if you are negative - Tommy left band and no replacement still -
looking at it logically the first is more likely, however the second scenario is not without similar precedent a few years back

Da Da Da Another One Bites the Dust!! I sometimes wonder why we always get shit on? There is always something. I am just so glad I chose to go on and live my life and not live my life around Chinese. I feel sorry for those who bought tickets and will now not be able to see the guys play. I really hope they make it back for you. Just try not to get overly pissed off, its becoming a recurring trend. This is the time for Axl to shine and give us all an update on the official site.

Where did the confirmation that they would play 70 dates come from?

NewGNR.com

New.gnrcom some promoter said it.

But please get the negative out(it's bad yea) but before you act, think about it.

what could really be going on, what are they doin'g
is Tommy's hand not healing fast enought, is there something else going on around it.

everything is posible, remember the cancellation hasn't been confirmed or anything,

I think Jarmo knows what's going on, or else be patient.

considering the source that is just pure speculation .

True, but it could be true.

And what about the Chinese Democracy World tour 2007 that is being promoted in the Australian Commercial???
is it the CD world tour, or just World tour 2007 misbelieved?

Something is going on.
perhaps in small steps, but thats good for me.

We know the 2007 facts, and think around it you can tell what has been done, and what is still ment to happen in the future.

my bet is on August - September, Single July

it's really hard to stay positive......the last year was great and now everyone wants more..... canceled dates don't really help in this situation! They only tell us bad things....why don't they give a status about the mixing or something

http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3791334&fSectionId=431&fSetId=251

 :no:

Pah

Well it this is true then we aren't going to see an album either.

Where do u see all other dates cancelled? i'm only reading about the my coke...

edit, my bad.

Yeah, it's only about the SA tour.

No read good, u see that all dates including, Australia, and new zeeland have been posponed


But I wonder if it's true.
we'll see soon enought

Bottom of 3rd paragraph:

"All other scheduled GN'R concerts (Australia, New Zealand and Japan) have also been postponed indefinitely. "

Lets wait to hear what they have to say...

true but then again who knows what will be said when the guns camp make a announcement .

But if the rest of the planned announced date are off .doesn't look good.

I dont think that Stinson is out of the band (compared to the buckethead thing), since it was Stinson himself who told about the injury.

But still i'm scared  :nervous:

Ok, back to the VR board...

ILL BE FUCKING MAJORLY PISSED IF THIS IS TRUE. Ive spent over $500 already on airfares....

If this happens i will not be a gnr fan any longer, Its just too heartbreaking.....   :(

They're still asleep in L.A., so let's wait....

and now about the article saying the tour is posponed including the new zeeland and australlian dates...

Hope something big is going on to make that feel better.

I hope the new management isnt the ones doing this.

Get merck back:P

Damn I really wish this band would get their act together...

I hope tommy is still in the band since he was one of my favourite new guns... :-\

I think this is a stunt from new management, I think they are finaly putting on some bossy act to Axl saying something like, Get this thing done, and then tour.

Or else it won't be out this year etc. would be cool if that happend!

If they do make an annoucement , it'll read like this.

All dates are cancelled.
Album still being mixed.

Welcome to the vague news.

there is no way this is a stunt from new management.do the even have managemetn?

Who is "they", I hope you don't mean Axl as you will be waiting for a long time.

[slash guitar riff]

Welcome to the vague news,
We've got much delays,
We've got everything you want,
But it'll never come your way,

We are the artists you can't find,
Whenever you might need,
We plan on doing world tours,
And cancel 'em anyways,

In the vague news, welcome to the vague news,
watch it bring it to your knees,

If it is a stunt from managment, they should be fired immediately, as this is really starting to get everybody pissed-off.

It's a bit early to say "he was", I think. Until we get a confirmation (which I hope will not happen), he is still part of the band. ?: ok:
It's sad that the band's participation 's been cancelled, but , hey, Tommy 's got to get better. I wouldn't imagine the band touring without him.

 Brilliant!

*golf clap*

 ;D

if it's a stunt by management then they should be fired for being complete dumb ass's. Why the hell would you create your own bad pr?

though it's not a stunt by them..

one consolation in this whole unholy mess is that those fans who wish to get a full refund can do so.....from tomorrow onwards, for a period of one week.

true but they might not be able to get refunds for other thing such ass, hotels airfair, ect...

nope, i'm still flying down to cape town....and going to chill....no gnr....but i already paid for my hotel and flights and car hire....so gotta use them....

sucks that u want get too see them play , but hell atleast you will get a nice vacation.

Some humour always does some good. :rofl:

shit..

I'm really excited to hear what the Axlites have to say :D

I might not be an Axlite but I'm probably closer to it than yourself and I say; Shit happens. A lot.

All I ever wanted from Axl Rose was for him to play some songs.....that's all.....

I never wanted him to fucking "owe" me anything....unlike most people on this board...i never wanted him to talk to me directly...i was more than happy with standing at the back of the arena, just listening to him....singing...

all he ever had to do was sing....old songs, new songs....didn't matter....as long as he sang....

this political crap which has been going on for years is not cool....not cool at all.

I'm going wait for official confirmation about the Australian tour.

I'm very concerned at this stage though.

I don't know about this Tommy's hand not healing for that long of a delay.

Why would it be postponed otherwise? The album has been handed in for mixing etc??

Let's hope we hear something soon  :nervous:

I feel sorry for the fans.

Since I got tix and got excited for GNR, I now know what it feels like to be let down by GN'R - if indeed these dates have been cancelled.

People have booked air tickets. It's really unacceptable.

Tommy's hand CANNOT be blamed for this. They can get a replacement. Maybe not for Japan as Tommy plays an important role on stage too, but this far in advance, they can get a replacement.

This is probably the first time ever that I feel like pulling the plug on GN'R.

"The next morning my hand looked like a balloon. I went to see my doctor, and while the good news is that it's not broken, the bad is news is it's severely sprained and I may have done some ligament damage"

I was already concerned when i read the last part of that. Ligaments can be very slow to heal especially if its worse then the original diagnosis

They can get a replacement for SA and the other shows this far in advance for Tommy. I understand Japan as he plays a key role in rehearsals etc. but not these days.

If the world tour is off, I am going to feel so let down. SInce getting the tix and getting excited, and seeing people buying plane tix etc, I can udnerstand the let down now.

Wait for the official news.

'Yes we have unfortunately had to cancel SA as we are going to be busy promoting our album'.

NewGNR always been right.

Sure. "We're dodging a paycheck so that we can wait 18 months for royalties." It makes total sense.

I think its good that they are not doing coke.. it would only delay the album further.

Yeah hopefully we will hear something soon, I have emailed the promoter asking for clarification.

I just feel for those that have spent money on flights and the like, if it is cancelled.

Could be good that I could not get my tickets in the pre-sale, no access to visa.

About as right as a magical fucking 8 ball....

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:01cX0KFp0ai3RM:http://randomnotes.weblogs.jp/maclalalaweblog/Magic_8_Ball.jpg)

How true  :hihi: :hihi:

Why should they get a replacement? Canceling the shows looks awful, but that's their prerogative. If they don't feel comfortable going out there with a temp player, for whatever reason, that (and the fall-out) is their problem.

Jarmo come on and delete this topic or put "FAKE" please   :crying:   ;D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :-X

Why should they get a replacement? Cos fans of theirs have bought tickets, gotten excited about it, maybe bought plane tix non refundable or hotels.. thats why! Dont let the fans down.

I just hope we get an update on the website with some positive news, like an update on the mixing process or anything. This isn't good.

damn right skippy : ok:

they have had plenty of time to sort this out .

They've done it in 2001/2002/2003 and 2004...so why not now?

The show tickets would have to be refunded, anything else is outside of their control. It's a nightmare to be in the fan's position but the band aren't in that position. And they'll likely say "we wouldn't want to let the fans down by taking their money and putting on a shitty show." It's an irreconcilable difference of opinion, I think.

positive news would be great right about now.  lets hope.

I guess as a fan that got excited about getting a ticket, got my tix.. saw ppl get plane tix already etc.. its the first time I've really felt the let down.

Yeah, they need to spin this with a "the tour is being rescheduled but. . . [album update]" and follow it up in a month or two with "Tommy's hand is healed and the rescheduled dates are [whatever] and, added bonus, [album release date]." And then follow through. Best case scenario.

Yeah and we know that's bollocks. They can get a replacement and put on the same show with this much notice.

I've felt it in all of those years i've mentioned (flying to the US/Portugal etc)...trust me..you'll get over it.

They didn't replace Tommy for a full show in front of paying fans, Bucket left the band, Brain had a baby, Adler was a clownshoe. And those are just the superficial differences.

They don't seem to share your opinion.

Im sorry Mr encyclopedia GNR, you know what i meant, no need to rip out the big big guns of knowledge.  :P

It's a shame every musician I speak to, even those in shitty pub bands say you can replace a bass player with enough notice with a session player for a show. And yet GN'R with all their resources and access to fine musicians can't?

always heard that myself...

You know, there is a bone in the wrist, that if it breaks... it takes at least eight months to heal. Hopefully, Tommy did not break it.

I wish Tommy all the best, but they can still do these shows.

Might their attention to detail be the reason that they're just shitty pub bands?  :P

Seriously, you can rail against it all you want but it doesn't change anything. We don't even have confirmation that this story is true, nevermind the reasoning behind the choices they've apparently made.

Tommy isn't just "the bass player" who you can replace at a moments notice - he is also the musical director of the band, meaning he is the one who's basically in-charge of rehearsals and telling the band what to do (when Axl is not there). You cannot simply replace this key position.

http://entertainment.iafrica.com/news/791427.htm

Also here.

I agree, for the Japanese dates. But the Australian dates in fucking June? They can replace him with all their resources.

During the illusions tours how long did Izzy come back to fill in for Gilby when he hurt his wrist?

We'd like to apologise to our fans that were looking forward to seeing us and know that we will we see you all soon. Again, we'd like to sincerely thank our fans worldwide for their patience and support."

Notice this quote is the same as the old one but with Japanese taken out?

Its now on several South Adfrican news sites, not looking good for them.

Just hope Australia is ok.

Did you buy your tickets before or after Tommy got injured? Not a germane point, I know, I'm just interested.

The quotes from Tommy are the old ones too. Does seem odd.

The pre sale for GNR tickets was on Monday.

And please remember GN'R said on their website, 'we will honor the south africa shows'

I'm waiting for an official news from gunsnroses.com before to say something......

 :-\

Jarmo? :(

Um, they can replace the drummer (which is technically way more harder then bass), but they can't replace a bassist in 2 months (for the aussy concerts),
escpeically considering how well ticket sales have been so high for down under,
considering no new album/same band members,


I think we should be fine, tommy will be replaced, otherwise there going to risk loosing alot of fans (inc me unfortunately)

Hmmmmm.

That article may assume that Australia & NZ are off too. I'm still kinda hopeful for Australia and NZ.

We don't know that the Australian shows are actually off, it seems odd that it would be the SA promoters releasing that information. There's no reason that it would have ever been discussed with them.

Sounds alot like....Everything goes ahead as scheduled...2004 after we knew that Buckethead had left the band...

Exactly. I have a feeling these articles are assuming the other gigs are off too.

The life of a GNR fan ?:D

Exactly, I think they just automatically assumed the rest of the tour so far would be postponed til the injury is healed.

I think it's probably wise to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. So, business as usual.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=305317

Here in article without the mention of the other dates.

I think Australia etc. are ok. Maybe his wrist is still quite bad and they had to make a late assessment.

I dont think the other articles actually ever knew the dates were off in Australia etc.

Adverts would have been booked weeks ago. Maybe we should have a poll how many believe that tommy's injury is the real reason for the delay/cancellation of the tour dates.

That'll be really productive. Are you sure we have time to take a break from cataloging alien abductions and Elvis sightings?

lol @ 25!

I think I can understand they may have had to make a late call on Tommy's wrist for the SA gigs and a week isnt enough to get a replacement when he plays a key role.

But concerns two months away, they can and should fulfill.

It seems the articles are just making assumptions about australia and new zealand. They don't even mention the mexico dates. If all dates are postponed wouldn't they mention mexico since those dates are before aussie and new zealand?

One article actually says "Australia, New Zealand and Japan".

Well Japan has already passed!

I'm quite confident we are ok for the rest of the tour. Im sure they have no knowledge of the other shows.

Just a thought, is that why Pitman was playing bass at versace? perhaps

could this accident of happened earlier, and we are only hearing about it now, because they realize its not going to get better in time...

You know communication is the answer to all this, I will never understand why that is not possible. ?I know most of you wont see the connection but MCR have just announced their bass player is taking time off to start maried life, but their continuing to tour with a stand in most of their fans will probably support and understand because they have been informed. Whereas with guns its just continuous speculation. ?We all want to see this band on tour, know that its safe to book flights etc.. We love GNR music or we wouldnt be here, but sometimes its just so hard to keep the faith!! Just my opinion for what its worth.

Maybe Tommy wasn't in town that day? Also; Who cares? 

You know what the real reason for all of this is? We are just hours away from the FBI announcing that Tommy was the second shooter on the grassy knoll. You heard it here first. Motherfucker is hiding in a cabin in Montana right now. They'll never take him alive.

Personally I think they've cancelled the dates to begin promotion of the album....  :hihi:

At least thats what Elvis told me before being abducted by aliens...

dont know if this been postet or if its true:

From mygnr

I have rung Big Concerts here!
You may well know that the bass player fell down some stairs two weeks ago.
He has "not healed sufficiently" for the tour to go on. Therefore the tour is cancelled WORLDWIDE so I am told! This includes Aus I'm afraid as you lucky buggers (I love Aus.!) are part of the world!!!
YOU may like to know that the band's equipment is all in South Africa already!
ciao sally

Elvis wasn't abducted by aliens... the US government is having to some secret work...Dude is trying to steal good old W a copy of CD....

Yeah but communication has never been a strong point of GnR - ?If Merck has not been replaced as Manager who is organising this kind of stuff?

Hope this isnt true.

Right, she called the promoter who happened to mention that the band's equipment is already in SA. Maybe she just read the same article we've already seen and the previous Tommy quote where he mentioned that the gear was already in Japan? Sounds like a total insider.

GOD

There is no evidence God (of any religion) exists, therefore I am not enthused about this appointment  ;D

What no love for Lemmy?

you know.... ive thought about this all rationally..... its very early to call if its on or not. ?we have not even been informed on their website that the aussie gigs were on in the first place. Im not looking to read this anywhere else.....
fuck what some nobody says. its on until i officially read its off.

Yes there is....he is talking to me right now and singing: "take me down to the paradise city..." wich is strange since he lives there allready!!!

The quoted text is an email I recieved from the editor of the Newspaper that published the article - just to clarify.

GOD

There is no evidence God (of any religion) exists, therefore I am not enthused about this appointment? ;D

What no love for Lemmy?

Has Lemmy from Motorhead confirmed he is God? ?Sounds like good news! : ok:

well he won't come out and say it. but we all know that dude is . :beer:

Oh God....Could it come any worse? Somehow all the whiners on this board were right after all!

I am serious, this band has the worst luck ever! And what is even worse since Guns is already flawed by a record of canceled shows and tours they might not find a promoter anymore! I guess in the end they just do not care anymore about the reasons why shows and tours are canceled so often. And before someone starts bitching that GnR does not cancel more often than other bands: we all know they did/do.

I really hope that Tommy is getting better soon and PLEASE GnR get your shit together and release the album! I don`t think that anyone still has the patience!

its as good a basis as any other religion for sure

So it's the very same source, essentially.

something tells me ...............LE JEU SONT FAIT

Do people actually believe tommy is the reason for the cancellation?!?!?!?!

Is it not blatantly obvious CD isnt finished so they are not gona tour until it is. They thought it would be but it wasnt. then they invent this story to save face.

Guns n Roses are officially a joke.

Life is more fun when you reject reality and substitute your own!

Not exactly.
I emailed to clarify that they hadn't just assumed that the rest of the tour was postponed. The editor made a call to the South African tour promoter for me and that was the response she recieved.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just clearing up exactly where that email came from.

where the fuck does it say the whole tour is off?

If this is true it might be safe to say GNR is finished.   Atleast 2006 was a redemption of 2002

always some smartass saying gnr is finished
can't wait to see you come crawling back when CD drops ::)

either they use this time to release the album and its genuinely cos of an injury
or its not the real reason in which case the band would be more or less finished.

I am sure it is the injury scenario, if not then I do fear the other scenario you have out lined becoms more plausible, I am sure an update will happen soon on either the official site or from Jarmo on here. ?Who knows what that may entail. 8)

Les Jeux sont fait


i think they're funny and original, that's why i like 'em ;)

I love GNR. ?I don't need CD updates every minute of the day. ?I don't need CD. ?I'm more then happy when they are touring, playing the same setlist everynight even though everyone bashes it. ?Its one thing to postone a few shows, but another to postone the entire schedule of shows that were planned. ?I'm always going to support this band. ?Now I could be way off and an official press release could clarify everything. ?We'll see ......

An annoncements got to come soon about everything, both the cancelled tour and the album. If it doesn't or it does and and they don't stick to what they've said then I fear it may be game over! Can you really see people taking kindly to them once more and receiving them in the same vain as they did in 2006 if GNR resurface yet again in a couple of years with no album out?

Theres nothing fun about reading yet another set back for gnr.

At the end of the day I represent an increasing volume of fans who resent the band. Im torn. I no longer sing the bands praises when people ask what the deal with them is. I laugh with people at how badly managed they are.

Bands need die hardfans.. but we are a dying breed!

VR have an album out this summer and a tour!! Roll on Junes Glasgow Gig!!!

Fans the band don't need? Great. Can't get enough of those. 

if this is true i sure hope they have some really good stuff when they are announcing it on the website

Congratulations! I think you're exactly the 1,000,000,000th person to say that since 1996! There's some sort of prize, I'm sure.






Wait, is "being wrong" a prize?

welcome back at the next update ::)
man, every time...



again, where does it say the world tour is cancelled?

It says the dates are cancelled indefinitely.  No one can really believe this is about Stinson, it's not hard to find a replacement bass player for a couple of shows, if he hasn't healed already.  If that was even true to begin with.

Axl has obviously wigged out again. 

Maybe using Pittman is OK for one show, but for a tour, can they really replace Tommy?

He does have a big role in the band and maybe Axl does not want to go on without him. Tommy has been very loyal to Axl and maybe Axl is being very loyal to Tommy by not getting someone in temporarily.

Maybe this whole story is bullshit and they will be in SA.

Maybe Stinsons hand really  is hurt, something is wrong with his homepage? :-\

no bio, tourdates...etc.

love it when rumours go wild!! :peace:

I fear I may have met my limit at this point.

Whatever, you fucking sheep.

I say lets all bomb their myspace page with comments demanding to know what the fucks going on.

he's either hurt or *MAJOR SPECULATION ALERT* quit...

Has this been officially confirmed yet?

I don't really wanna say anything until it is.

BUT...

Does anyone else hear a gigantic crashing sound?

-Eris

No. We have all proclaimed this thing dead after every one of these little incidents, and then we all get over it and move on to whatever the next bit of hope we have is. Anyone who says they are "done" with the band because of this are lying as they will be back whenever it looks like something new might be on the horizon.

yeah i heard that same sound dec 6th 2002

Can't they just find a replacement? My god...its not like its Axl whos injured. A couple of million people knows the bass lines to the GNR songs....its not that hard to find someone to do the shows.

Most casual listeners doesnt give a shit whos playing bass. They wanna see Axl. For crying out loud, just hook up with a guy who can do the fucking songs and go on tour.

I know I'm never gonna give up on Guns n' Roses. The music is what matters and I'll wait as long as I need to hear it. Until then, I have a life and my CD collection to get me through.

I just mean that if it IS true it will NOT bode well for the band, especially you-know-who's reputation.

When I read that I just imagined a collective "UGH!!!!!" from the members of this board and fans everywhere... :hihi:

BUT, has there been official word yet, or just that one source possibly getting us all foaming at the mouth for no real reason?

-Eris

These kind of rumours are in 99% of the cases true. Lets hops that the "All tour postponed" is in the rest of the 1%.

The beauty of the situation is that the band and you-know-who's reputation is already shot, so it is not like this is going to be any huge deal in the grand scheme of things. When you have had the problems they have one more set of cancellations is par for the course, not some monumental disaster that is going to kill the band. They will make a press release, blame something or someone for having to cancel the dates, make some vague reference to progress on the album and the board will be hyped up again by noon. That is the cycle around here and has been since Axl reappeared.

Ok so I have bought tickets to their show in Perth and also tickets for another show over on the east coast of Australia. ?I have booked and paid for airfares for my girlfriend and I after buying the tickets. ?I also just paid for accomodation today.

If this is true then once again it just shows a complete lack of respect for fans! ?This surely must have been something brewing for a while, at least from when they cancelled the Japanese dates. ?Right then and there they should have made a decision about the rest of the tour. It seems they did - they would proceed with it. ?Well based on that decision that's what they should fucking do. ?I mean for fuck sake pay some money and hire a replacement, hell that's pretty much what GN'R has done since 1995 anyhow so why cease that "clever" formuale now??

I really hope this rumour isn't true and I would love to have to eat my words, but if it is.............. ahhhh fucken hell how much crap am I supposed to take. This sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls!!!

As usual lots of speculation and assuming, very little facts.

Facts are Japan postponed, and now 2 SA dates postponed according to the promoter and SA media.

Reason given for Japan postponement, Stinson injured hand, very plausible. ?Reason given for SA, we've not heard officially but it would seem reasonable the hand injury is not improving quickly enough. ?That is all the fact known at present.

Stinson in or out of band (he didn't appear at Versace gig) - if he had left why book show dates without a replacement, ?and then cancel nearer the time. ?Always going to be risky and likely to generate bad press. ?Therefore I find this unlikely

As yet no confirmation on Aus, NZ or Mex dates (why would the SA promoter know anything about those?)

strange... i understand tommy stinson is a big part of the band and he's the most recognizable name in the group other than axl but it isn't like this band hasn't temporarily replaced members on leave before (brain). they could get a guy up to speed pretty fast, right? i'm not a musician but i'm pretty sure you could hire a guy, learn him up on 20 songs, and the show would go on well enough. they had enough time between the fall and this business to prepare a contigency.

What a joke! Bumblefoot was only in the band 3 weeks before Hammersmith. Certainly, they could find a substitute for Tommy if they wanted.

I quit being a GNR fan today. ?:'(

So long . . . to all the suckers that stick around. If GNR isn't stealing your money, they are stealing your time.

because they were notified by gnr management of the cancellation, and were probably told that the rest is going down the same road as well.

and because its Coca Cola....and they don't fuck around....you screw them around like this...they want to know!

It's bass lines everyone in the world of rock knows. Theyre not even that hard to learn. Simple shit. But they choose to take the hard way out and cancell the fucking stuff? Whats the point? Isnt it better to do the shows, take off a new songs but still do them? Irrational.

Same, I'm sure it's a similar story for most of the fans in Australia who live a bit away from the venues, we have to arrange airfares, accommodation, and in my case bring the kids and arrange for a family member to come along and babysit.

At the end of the day it's not worth getting too upset about as it's just a show, but someone in the band needs to step up and say something. 

Irrational if this is the real reason the dates are getting pulled of cause.

Im not going to suspect anything until 1 of 2 things happen.



1. We Hear from Jarmo   ( btw, where is he, its page 6,7? and he still hasnt even replied,

or

2. We see an update on the official gnr site,

until then, you guys can keep wasting your breath, but I know for a fact, gnr wouldn't be that stupid to NOT replace a "bassist"
for concerts, especially considering how well ticket sales have been, its just plain stupid, however if it was one of the 3 guitarists,
It would be understandable, but a bassist? no offence to tommy, but it can't be that hard to find a replacement, just to string a few
notes together, come on![/u]

Ahhhhh.....       Here we go, again.....    :confused:    :crying:

We all know Tommy has a hurt hand and he plays a big role in the band, more so than any other member other than Axl.

Sucks, but GNR cant always live up to every fan's expectations. You act like they cancelled the show in order to rip off the fans.

If you are willing to throw in the towel over this, ask yourself if you really were a fan to begin with.

well, then its a major fuckup, if that's the case, because national radio has announced it....myCoke reps have announced it here, Computicket has said they're giving refunds too...

so all of that based on a possible rumour?

He plays bass lines. He's not the key to mass space travel.

If you think this is about Tommy youre blind. ?They could have the basslines on a machine, no one would give a damn, hell they could play without a bass and im sure people would still be happy. ?I dont believe the story, I think there are tons of problems with the band right now and GNR seems about as close to imploding as it has since the end of the 2002 tour.

Tommy doesnt have a bigger role in the music than THE DRUMMER. ?Do you listen to the songs? Its funny GNR can get a lead guitar replacement and a drummer replacement in a matter of a couple of weeks, but the bass player is one of a kind. ?I love Tommy, i was a big mats fan and i think hes a great musician. ?However, he isnt the greatest bassist out there, he is not necessarily. ?If you remember BH's illness coincided with him leaving and I really wouldnt be shocked if Tommy is playing with paul next year.

Great, unable to find any single one of the few million rock bass players in the world who knows any GNR song by heart. If they drop out of this its not because of Stinson's hand problem....it's because they have other issues to deal with.

this is a bummer!

really disappointing, this band seems to have absoulutely no luck at all :crying:

With three guitarists, they could easily do without the damn bass for a couple of shows and it would still be OK! Motley Crue brought in a new drummer when Tommy hurt his hand. Some unknown dude from the middle of nowhere and it was  great PR stunt as well. What the fuck is the problem. This is music, not quantum physics!!

One more thing. ?Buckethead is much much much more of a unique talent at his instrument in the band than Tommy. ?

So sad this is happening.

I'm trying to refrain from speaking my mind.  :yes:

Chill out people.

Wait until we get confirmation from either Jarmo or gunsnroses.com

I look at it this way. ?To all of you who think Tommy can be replaced if they really did cancel the shows because his hand hasn't healed then they feel he is IRREPLACABLE which is a good thing isn't it? ?They obviously don't feel it's GNR if they can't play with this current lineup.

It is not just the bass playing for Tommy. He is the leader of the band itself. ( other than Axl)

it was the same when tommy hurt his hand and the japanese dates got cancelled the thread ran to 5/6 pages and no jarmo. once he found out he weighed in and said official

They are grown men. They can handle a couple of shows without "their leader" as you call it.

Weird we haven't heard from Jarmo or Mysteron. ?But the truth of the matter is these postponements or cancellations are probably true. So we just have to go along with it.

Laughable. So Tommy Lee isnt a valuable member of Motley Crue since he hurt his hand and some guy took over for shows.

I second that.

It isnt like I was going to SA anyway, it wont ruin my day.

This band shows it is an actual band with loyalty to one another if they decide not to bring in a replacement for Tommy.

this is B-S


Tommy isnt needed on tour, only in the recording studio, they can do fine with a repalcement/bass machine, whatever, this is probably just another excuse caus Axls changed his mind ONCE AGAIN , e

the thing is that the concerts in Oz are almost 2 months away?

1. tommy must have reall really fucked his hand

2. somehgting else is afoot?

ps. i hope it is just part 1 that applies :nervous:

Not speculating, but if this is true, GnR will go down in history as the band who alienated, confused and upset their fans the most. Loyalty is wonderful, but even the most diehard fans have their breaking point.

this is complete bullshit.  but the sad thing is that we have become used to bullshit.

What about loyalty to the thousands of fans who bought tickets and spent money on travel? A bass players hand is more important?

And you are basing this on what? ?The fact that BBF and Frank are close friends. ?The fact that Axl writes teh checks for all of them. ? The fact that Dizzy has been in the band 7 years longer? ?Or the fact that he seems most focused and doesnt do other projects? ?Or the fact that he has walked off stage during sets before? ?What are you basing this on but your opinion? ?Seriously you cant say stuff like hes the leader of the band, other than the leader of the band. ?This is just an absurd/worthless statement.

Seriously.....some people are severly overreacting here...

We've not had an official confirmation of a cancellation/indefinate postponement of the world tour OR the reason behind it...

Until then is it reeeaaally worth bitching about it, really? ::)

Oh come on. Everyones reporting it.

 ::)

Yes. ?The health and well being of a band member is more important then a show. ?
If someone is injured they can't play for you.
And I am sticking by that the band is loyal to each other if they won't perform without Tommy.

if Axl n' Roses cancel this world tour Chinese democracy wouldn't be released, FUCK!!!!! My patience's gone!!!!

The cancellation, yes....

But none of us know that it's because of Tommy's injury...as far as I'm concerned it's just pure speculation

Irrelevant. You just find someone to do the shows for the injured bass player. Its fucking bass!!! Its no quantum physics. Some of you think that playing these tunes is like the most difficoult job ever. Just get a guy to do the songs and everyone will be happy. Now people are pissed because they cancell shows for no good reason. There are a few million people who knows these songs. Find one of them. There a couple of thousands of people in Los Angeles alone.

do you think the majority of the people here need a comprhensive update to not assume the next step for this band is silence, members leaving, inaction as generally follows these cancellations?

I have to disagree with you. ?I flew to Maine and it was canceled and yes, I lost money in airfare, hotels but I still had a good time. ?Life is what you make of it and if you plan it around GNR instead of just still trying to make the best of it when shit happens, no wonder why you are so negative and unhappy.

Personally, I am glad that the only thing Tommy injured was his hand. ?Falling down a flight of stairs could have resulted in far worse.

Why get so upset over this. It's out of your control and in being a fan, you take the good with the bad.

You act like they cancel this to deliberately spite you and everyone on here. ?Have you ever taken into consideration how the band feels about this? ?You think they are like "yay, we once again fucked over and disappointed everyone on HTGTH...let's go out and celebrate tonight...Robin, you buy the first round of drinks."

Chill out dude. ?It's just a small part of life. ?Don't sweat it. GNR are far from being OVER. ?Just another stumbling block. ?

It's all how you embrace it. ?And I choose to stick by them regardless of how long it takes to release new music or whatever shit pops up.

Edit to say I didn't even lose money.  What I meant was I still went to Maine and although the purpose of my trip was to see GNR, I still had a good time even though the show got canceled.

Uhng. ?In my opinion, what really sucks about this news is that it just takes our attention away from not getting CD or not knowing anything about what's going on with it.

let's hope that they are taking advantage from Tommy's injury to finalise the release of the album and coming back on the road with "CD" in stores.

LMAO......some people never learn.............

Some of you seem to think the band wants to disappoint their fans. I don't believe it for a second. An injury came up, dates postponed. Big deal.

Strange, I recall Buckethead's illness occuring in 2001... and to my knowledge he toured with them again in 2002....

For the first time ever (I've been a fan since 87-88) I'm really starting to loose my patience. I simply don't have the energy to react anymore. There's just nothing more to say at this point. This shit has gone beyond all resonable limits...

You know you have a valid point and Jarmo will say something similar.

I for one have always remand positive for the most part.

But come on when is enough enough.

This happens way to often not to think something more is not going on.

The official site should have a statement on the site when bad news goes out from other sources of this magnatude.

How much more bad bad luck is this band going to have.

I started loving this band when i was a young teenager and now I'm almost 32. WTF is going on.

Really it is god damn ridiculous.

It is time for a real annoucment about the CD from the man in charge. Or better yet the label.

The label needs to man up with GNR and put out a collective update on what is going on. It is time, enough with all the bullshit.

Alot of posters like myself were consider axl ball swingers, not anymore the numbers are shifting. We can only eat so much bullshit.

If we had real updates on the status of the album the cancellations would not hurt as bad.

I will always be a fan and will buy the album when it comes out. But god damn enough is enough

Time to man up and give real update with the label connfirming the CD status and this negative shit would stop.

Exactly  :yes:

Its hardly a rational comparison.

Agreed.

Exactly - but they need to communicate every quickly to let people know what is happening.  Not just with the Tour but album/single news would satisfy everyones need for information.  A savvy band manager would already have headed much of this off, sadly it looks as though GnR has no-one prioritising this for them...

ya think : ok:

If they did cancel the tour I think it is kinda pathetic, and people keep making excuses.

"I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me, Superman!?

I really have to agree with this. I'm sure we'll all be told how dumb we are for feeling like giving up right now, but seriously this is ridiculous.

WTF?  ???  >:(

Did Axl have another fucking meltdown and decide that his album sucks and now wants to re-work the whole thing over yet again or what??  :rant:


Like, c'mon man.  ::)  Release the damn thing already dude!!  :rant:

For those of you who say "Oh why can't they just replace him like they did with Brain", there is a huge difference! Brain's wife was expecting a baby so they were expecting Brain to leave the band for a while and thus had Frank touring with the band, ready to step in whenever it was time for Brain to go home to his wife. This unexpected situation with Tommy's accident is way different.

Look out!!! Don't say GN'R doesn't communicate with their fans or Jarmo will kick you ass!!!

I'd like to dedicate yhis song to all you Guns N' Fuckin' Roses fans out there wherever you are...here's a little song by The Door's...it's called The End!  Enjoy!

I'd like to dedicate this song to all of you Guns N' Fuckin Roses fans out there, wherever you are... It's a little song written by Izzy Stradlin, sung by Axl Rose... it's called Patience!

Enjoy!  : ok:

Tommy runs the rehearsals when Axl is not there. Maybe GNR does not feel like it is fair to Tommy to start this tour without him.

We have not gotten an official announcement yet, so all the drama may be for no reason.

And unless you have tickets to any of these shows is it really going to ruin your life? No need to get up on my ass over it.

They don't have to tell us anything, if Tommy's sprained rist is that bad then you can expect a 3 month recovery. A bad sprain is worse than a break, don't be so quick to be so judgmental, shit happens! Imagine how Tommy feels! Better yet, IMAGINE THAT!!!!!       

well they need to communicate very quickly in this instance...

Were the MyCoke concerts sold out? ?I went into the tourdates section on GNR.com and there is nothing under the "Tickets" column. ?Also, were these the only shows on site all the time? ?Were the Australian dates never listed there?

I don't think for a second that Guns N' Roses deliberately are trying to disappoint their fans. No way.

those shows were never listed at the gnr website

Ok.  What about the tickets to the MyCoke Fest?

whether its just s. africa or the whole thing, this is a sorry inexcusable state of affairs at this point---the tour last year did
alot to rehab some of the ugliness and silliness of the past, but when you cancel the final dates of it in order to produce the album, even GIVE a tentative relaese date, and there's very little follow through---then to book a bunch of dates, some very high-profile, and axe them shortly after with delayed notice as to why---god-damn. maybe it is all b/c tommy is hurt....but then if that's true then get it out there asap and dont make statements that the rest of the thing will go on if you're not 100 percent sure. and if you're axing the tour, then get CD out. now. no more crap-it's an insult to the ticketholders for these shows, the promoters, pretty much anyone inolved with this band.

Nick, it has been an insult since they did Rio in 2001 without a record. The whole thing is beyond comprehension....just put a fork in it and move on. :peace:

"Chase after truth like hell and you'll free yourself, even though you never touch its coat-tails. "

Clarence Darrow

I think we're not getting an update on the site for one of three reasons:


1) The webmaster is stoned (today is 4/20)

2) The webmaster is from Colorado and is busy observing silence in rememberance of Columbine (today is the 8th anniversary)

3) The webmaster is celebrating Hitler's birthday (that is today--this is the most-likely scenario in my opinion)

i dont know about an insult?

but blatant stupidity and bad marketing, yes.

I just thought about Bumblefoot for a second,


alot of peoples views of him might change now considering hes in gnr,

and I wonder if hes going to speak about this at any more future interviews?

we all know how he can't really keep his mouth shut about sh!t like this....

I have always defended GNR.....ALWAYS......within reason. But I just cannot see anyone being able to defend them at this point. Someone in thier camp has to step up and be a fuckin' man.......if this is true. It seems to be. This is now completely out of line. So who's it gonna be???......Who is gonna stand up and be a fuckin' man over there people?

Well all I know is my PC is setup to get GNR updates through email when ever they are mentioned.

And there is nothing but 30 bad press items flying around with no statement from the band on there site.

HA!  I found this funny.  On allheadlinenews.com (AHN) there is an article about the cancelled MyCoke dates.  Here's the headline:


Guns N' Roses Reunion Tour Postponed By Bassist's Injury

This is fucked up for the people who were going to see them. And fucked up for Guns N' Roses. But I don't think Axl would intentionally cancel this all. Just really really really REALLY BAD LUCK I guess. They must feel really bad now I imagine.

 :hihi:

Its time for the band and the label to stand hand and hand and gives us an update.

THIS IS FUCKED UP :'(


i hope we get an update today :-\

ok.. ?Bring something up on the GnR site.. now... ?:'(

yeah, make us something to cheer about  :(

I'm not saying it intentional at all. I have no doubt tommy  hurt himelf, that sucks big time.

I just think it is time to get some info on the cd in light of all the bad press again.

I'm sure someone is keeping on refreshing gunsnroses.com just to be the first with the bad news

(i think that if this wasn't true it would have been shut down already :-\ but on the goods, i dunno shit :hihi:)

Some good news would be helpfull for sure

They should announce a release date for the album to off-set this crap!

That would be a nice start.   ::)

Ok, im going to bed right now, when I wake up I wanna imagine that that all this was a horrible nightmare,

and that it was all in my imagination,


but if this isnt the case,


ILL BE REALLY FKN ?:rant: :rant: :rant:

well, im gonna wait for the official GNR word  :P
But it seams legit, and i think its a bit sad, unless there is something else in the works...  : ok:

Funny that Stinson paid his dues in a band called "The Replacements" ... guess he wasnt so replaceable when push came to shove.

btw. libertad sucks balls.

Get outta here...what the fuck has libertad got to do with GN'R's world tour?!

Fan: So, are we going to get the album soon?

GNR: No.  Tommy's hand is injured.

Fan: But I thought the album was done recording and is mixing.

GNR: We're not going to play the MyCoke festival.

Fan: Wait a minute.  What about the album?

GNR: Everything that Die Mannaquin said is false.

Fan: Dude.  I asked you about the album!

GNR: Oh.  The album is beig mixed.

Fan: So, when is it coming out?

GNR: Tommy is injured so we had to postpone the Japan shows.

Fan:  WAIT A SECOND!  I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE ALBUM!

GNR: It was tentatively going to be released a month and a half ago.

Fan: So, do you have a new date?

GNR: I think we're going to have to postpone the Australia shows because of Tommy's injury.

Fan: DAMNIT!  CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT THE ALBUM?

GNR: Sure.  The leaks are unfinished tracks from the upcoming release of Chinese Democracy.

Fan:  Upcoming release?  Cool.  When?

GNR: The album is done recording and is being mixed.

Fan: I know.  You said that already.  When is it coming out?

GNR:  Tommy hurt his hand.

Fan: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Duff's "replacement"?

That about sums up the past few years.

LMMFAO!!

So true. That sums the band up right there.

HA!!!.......Not a bad view on the current situation..... :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:hahaha

Lol.....GREAT Post and I agree.... that about sums 'er up.

just so they can delay the fucker again....

I'd also like to say "What a difference a year makes"!

Last year at exactly this time I had tickets for Hammerstein, a trip planned, hope for the albums release, new songs leaked and the whole nine yards.

Here I am a year later with a whole different and far worse situation to look at.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

i think this is so funny. its seems that NOBODY is coming to this bands defense now. i was a "hater" before, but know everyone is... i wonder what makes this disappointment any different then all the others of the past 5 or so years. this version of the band is probably done, expect all the tools here to say "to start a new band and make them mesh it'll take another 15 years." again, HA HA HA.

expect an "official" announcement soon that says: "mixing under way, more dates added soon" followed by 3 more months of silence. what a joke.

also expect jarmo to come on soon and provide lip service (you know what i mean) to axl with something like: "axl is an artist, that gives him a right to treat people like shit... i'm a moderator, so i can treat people like shit also"

HA HA HA HA yes!

the remaining members should start a new band and get a new singer, now THAT i would support. whats paul westerberg up to these days? jon lydon perhaps?

Keep the faith please people! There has been no official announcement yet! And if that comes there may well be a reason for it and we may get some further news on the album! 11 pages of speculation! Wait for the offical word!

Mike

We did that with Tokyo and when "official word" came we were assured that GNR would be playing South Africa for sure.

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS - I NEVER BOUGHT A CONCERT TICKET IN WHICH I DOUBTED THE SHOW WOULD BE CANCELLED - NEVER EVER EVER!

I can go to Mexico but I won't because of this shit! I'm afraid to buy tickets and air tickets and hotel and then have the damn thing be cancelled. I was going to go for a birthday celebration and lord knows I shouldn't rely on GNR to make the celebration special cause they probably won't show. I think we should boycott and not by any damn tickets so they can't screw anyone and maybe they'll wonder why the shows aren't selling - well boys keep booking dates and cancelling!!!!!!!!

WE NEED TO FUCKING BUY INSURANCE WHEN THESE TICKETS ARE SOLD AS WELL - GNR SHOULD JUST OFFER IT WITH THE PRICE OF THE TICKET - SO FANS WHO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TRAVELING TO SEE A SHOW CAN BE REIMBURSED IF THE MOTHERS CANCEL AGAIN!

They are becoming a liability in which I wish I had coverage!!!!!!!!! That is so sad.

Everyone is right - something good should happen or a whole lot of people are going to give up.

its also pathethic in the sense that the band has said nothing! they are leaving it to the promoter to tell us about it. i think its just plain rude and disrespectful to the fans for the band to just not show up and not even comment about it...more like cowardness....

Taking pleasure in other people's misery.

You're truly sad.




Go fuck yourself.




/jarmo

People need to get a grip. Tommy is injured and some more shows are canceled. Nothing more to report.





Mountain-top real estate must be booming, because you clowns just can't leave those mole-hills alone.

ALOT of people have made this claim in the past but for some reason this whole deal has a "straw that broke the camels back" sort of feel to it.

I honestly don't think I've ever felt the way I do about this situation as I do this morning and from what I can tell, I'm not alone.

The most positive thing I can think of is that the album is done, packaged and has a release date and some how a different tour is being scheduled according to how the record company wants this thing promoted.

Again, not likely but thats the most positive thing I can imagine and hope for.

oh cool!!!!
Another downer for us . The excuses are getting a little lame these days. :no:
Axl should overthink his way of infomation politics because this (again) sucks big time.I really wonder who is running the "fan departement" in the GNR cam... Maybe a camel?

This is the first year i sort of feel like " Well i don't care anymore. Release it or not or fuck it or whatever".....
And i'd never thought this day would come....

Actually the insurance thing would be a good idea! I have been f....d by GnR 3 times now,  and everytime I made expensive travel arrangements! I am through with this...

What kind of a fan am I now that I'm afraid to buy tickets for any show????????? What kind of artist does this to their fans? If it was one or two times ok. But constantly over the years - it's almost like an abusive relationship!

Time for an album update from the label.

It is ashame but nothing else matters at this point.

Get well Tommy and I hope everyone is healthy but seriously enough is enough.

Time to shack the gates of hell ?:rant: We need a CD update ?:peace:

I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but do you actually have some thoughts on this whole deal you might be able to share with us?

I am honestly wondering what you might be thinking is going on at this point.

This worries me.


I hope to god this isn't true.

Have you heard if they are all postponed/cancelled for sure jarmo?

Do you know what time it is in California, where I assume most of the band is located?


Oh, and for your information, Tommy did explain his injury last week.

The promoter even used his quote.





I haven't heard anything.

But it's only a week ago that Tommy injured himself. I'm no doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed he wasn't gonna make a full recovery in time.





/jarmo

They HAVE TOLD YOU THE PROBLEM!!! if Tommy's sprained rist is that bad then WE SHOULD expect a 3 month recovery. A bad sprain is worse than a break, don't be so quick to be so judgmental, shit happens!RELAX! Imagine how Tommy feels! Better yet, IMAGINE THAT!!!!!       

yeah we always hope until the very end! Just because we do not want to believe things we hear from Tour Promoters, we want to hear it from the band!
 
This band has a severe appetite for self destruction!

At least the recording of the album is supposedly done.  Tommy's injury won't delay it for another 5 years.  I don't care how many shows get cancelled as long as CD stays on track.

I've always been a supporter of the "release the album, then tour" philosophy.

Im sorry to say that I now fear for the future of this band if this is true.

I wonder if GnR has an insurance that covers the cost they have to carry when cancelling a tour. The insurance premium must be immense!

Seriously, can we start a fund here? I just want one (1) penny for every time someone says that.

another gnr spin...this is old. you gotta face reality here

Go ahead and outline the reality for us. Let me strap myself in.

Lots of assuming from you, but I guess that's fine because you assume they lie to you all the time while I don't.

So, let me ask you this: Is it possible last week they thought he'd make a full recovery in time for the 27th, but only today they found out for sure he wasn't going to?

Yes/No?



/jarmo

In the 11 years i've been a fan that is the first time i have said that.

Maybe im just freaking out.

if the wrist is worse than first thought or he reaggravated it or something then they are probably wary of saying 'we will be _____ for certain. bet on it. spend more money on it.'

I'll answer that Jarmo. ?Yes. ?I think it's totally possible. ?In fact, I think it's totally plausible. ?It would just be nice if this is all spelled out a little more for us on their website is all...you know, so we don't have to do all this speculating.

Why did the damn bugger fall down the stairs in the first place? was he drunk?  :P

I guess it's just frustrating that promoters etc announce first before the official band source via web or press release. ?And I don't buy the time difference argument. ? Presumably somebody in the GnR set up told the SA promoters, shit the injury is not healing, we can't make it, we have to cancel. ?At the same time as this they should have posted an update on their webpage. ?That would be the smart thing to do

Hello dudes,


This is just a bad rumour, in some newspapers it says that Mexico cancelled their recent tour in Mexico, i hope this is just a fucking rumour i already had my Mty Tcikets and my airplane ticket!

http://cucharasonica.com/2007/04/19/guns-n-roses-cancela-mexico/

Hopefully we'll get an official update within the next few hours.

Promoters have also been announcing shows and ticket sale info before it's been on the official site.




/jarmo

It looks like Mexico is off now also

http://cucharasonica.com/2007/04/19/guns-n-roses-cancela-mexico/

it's true

 : ok:

Why couldn't they just get a damn replacement for Tommy?

That's a really good point.

i hate the word cancel.. they dont say postponed.. ?:'(

well I think this will turn out to be true as it matches the other reports!

I guess the world tour is postponed till autumn now, so they can be sure that Tommy?s hand has healed. But to be sure every single band member should have a 24h personal assistant on their sides from now on so noone does bs anymore.

Maybe they even have to wait now until fans over the world forgot about this incident because this has been the worst advertising ever! Tons of sold out shows cancelled; I think it is pretty safe to assume that it will be way harder to sell out the 2007 Take 2 tour (if it is supposed to happen in 2007).......

It is - but are the promoters being premature, or is the GnR PR management too slow in keeping up with them?  If the promoters are selling tickets and GnR are not in a position to confirm they should be hauled back into line ASAP if that was the case - in this digital age acting quickly is key

It's tough for us not to think the worst with this band. ?Because every bad rumor is most likely true and every good rumor is usually false. ?When the Hammerstein shows went on sale, that had to be one of the best times to be a GNR fan, and when the US tour went on sale and the new site came up, it was all very exciting. ?Realistically though, and I don't know for sure, but every other band in the world handles these situations the same way, they just don't have that loyal following GNR has, and we do at times over analyze everything. ?But again GNR had a more then solid 2006, so let's see this whole thing out.

This is a bad joke.

Oh well, it's not like we're loosing anything. Except faith in GNR's ability to put on a complete tour. Or an album.

I think it's a safe bet to say, and this is coming from various different sources outside of this one website, that the band, at least in its current incarnation, is over. Take that as you wish  :'(

You forget that GnR has no manager right now :hihi: :hihi:At least not one that we know

They cancelled / postponed some shows, that's all.

So where would that come from? That this band is over?

What sources?

According to various different sources outside of this one website, your sources gay-married two watermelons to grow carrots.

Give me a break. Tommy hurts his hand and a few shows has to be postponed... and the whole band is done for?

Well not that it is unthinkable. If I remember correctly the whole buckethead incident started in a pretty much similar way...and we all know what happened after bucket left....pretty much nothing for years!

It really amazes me how quickly some of you start saying things like "the band is over"

This is a bad day, yes. But no worse than some of the other bad days I've experienced as a GNR fan.

"The Red Army between us and the plane"

GUNS N' ROSES 2007 FUCK THE HATERS AND FUCK THOSE PEOPLE WHO ONLY WHINE WHEN IT'S THEIR SHOW THAT GETS CANCELLED

I read on some newspaper that GNR cancelled their shows at Mexico, at this point is a rumour, i hope they dont cancel their shows.

http://cucharasonica.com/2007/04/19/guns-n-roses-cancela-mexico/

It is different because there was no statement from buckethead in 2001.  As soon as shows were postponed Tommy had a quote and an ex[planation of the events that led to the delay and maybe cancellations.

Absolutely nothing indicates that Tommy has left. Why should he. He's in the band for almost a decade now.

What's the point of these guys wanting to be in a band where very little of the material they play has their name associated with them. ?I'd be pissed. ?

Wow. You people are all spoonfed shit and fucking love it. If you think this is just "some dates have been cancelled," do yourself a favor -- log out of these boards and reconnect with reality.

Wasn't Buckethead sick in 2001? And as far as I know, I may be fumbling in darkness here... A certain character wearing a mask and a bucket on his head was standing to the far right of the stage when GNR was on the 2002 tour.

Pure speculation...

Why don't you cite a source instead of spraying us with mongoloid drool? Either the rumor is valid or it isn't, if you aren't willing to back it up with citations then it's clearly a crock, no?

That's so fucking stupid man.

YOU Get the fuck off this board, seriously.

Fucking people make me sick with this "end of the world" shit.

Tommy hurt his hand. They can't play. Don't make it out to be more than it is.

you said take it as you wish. well, as you can see, people will take it as bein rubbish, if you refuse to name those other sources.

You're right......also, it's unfair to link Tommy Stinson's behavior to that of a guy with a chicken bucket on his head.

The usual lack of communication in the GNR world  ::)

I found this bit funny:
Not for GnR fans, obviously:

All I care about right now is that album, pleeeeeeaaaase ca we have a comprehensive update someone? It must be almost done by now

Axl admires your loyalty and wants to meet you.

erm.....lack of album(s)?

erm...and?

Album update?

We dont even know who is in the band.

who is the drummer ?

Brain or Frank? :confused:

doesn't surprise me one bit... i knew this would happen. axl once again musters support and then takes  a shit on it. good move mr. Rose...

I admire the fact that you are such a flip-flopping bastard on your support of this band, and would like to throw shit at you.

I'm calling shenanigans. There's no way they wouldn't use a replacement (pardon the pun) bass player for important "headline status" festival dates with WEEKS for that person to learn the songs.

I call another annoying so called "GNR Fan"

I wish we could find a replacement for you!

FANS STICK BY THE FUCKING BAND, EVEN WHEN THINGS SEEM AT THEIR WORST

That's what it means to be a "gunner"

Not "This band keeps lying to me!"

for me it's big ballshiw

when you broke a finger,after 10days you'll be right

and other,if it's true,bass player is simplier than singer or lead guitar,so gnr could find replecmant

i think something other is the reason of canceling

And what does that have to do with the fact that there's no way they wouldn't use a replacement (pardon the pun) bass player for important "headline status" festival dates with WEEKS for that person to learn the songs?

I support this band. But the shows aren't being canceled because of Tommy's injury.

fuck this gnr is fucking gay the always do this shit. I bet cd is done or even close, maybe 1/99th a fucking track if where lucky. Put out cd or a single or tour. Not do fucking shit and piss off fans!

How does a band inform a venue that they have to cancel their dates and not inform the fans either before or immediately after the venue announces it??? ?This is absolute bullshit and one more flip off for us fans! ?I'm just disgusted now!

I think people really need to calm down... Instead of actually bitching, seems like people don't care about Tommy's health.

Hope he's fine, really. Not only for the band and/or fans...

It's the fans problem if they've paid for air tickets, hotels, looked forward to the gigs, etc.
Why should they get a replacement? For the fans! It hasn't that hard to get someone who can play all the gnr classics on bass, get them to learn whatever new songs, etc. It's different than lead guitar. There is something else going on here.

Tommy is, in my opinion, an integral part of the band. I do think that this is due to Tommy's injury and nothing else.

Since you like to dig into conspiracies, I'm sure you are just looking for anything to fucking feed your mind.

Don't say "the shows aren't being canceled because of Tommy's injury" because the fact of the matter is YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT and you always say the same crap "i don't believe it" about all

God, he hurt his hand...he doesn't have cancer for crissake!

I can understand your anger. Again I would clarify... this band has political problems at every level. Venues, record company, etc., etc. It's always been that way. So when I say shenanigans, I don't mean that the band is f'ing around with fans.

How do you know an announcement isn't coming out today?

How do you know anything?

I'm disgusted at all you so called "fans" myself.

Um, I know he doesn't have cancer, but he is a BASS PLAYER, which means his hands are pretty fucking important.....

If your friend hurt his hand, I'd like to see you say "Fuck you dude, it's not cancer!"

this is RIR 4 all over again  :(

Whine, Whine, Whine.

So, all the other shit they've ever done, that was OK. You still supported them after that. But now they have an injury, and that's too much for you?

Summer, Donna.

Simma-don- nah

Simmer, down-now.

SIMMER DOWN NOW!  ;D

shut up :hihi: geez....stop trying to be the knight in shining armour...if peopel are coming here to post then they are fans

this is shitty news of course people will be upset...we just have to wait for an official update

btw time to change your username : ok:

Do you know HOW bad was? Do you know how this is a bad thing for a musician? Think before being posting.

Yes, and also time to simma-don-nah.  :hihi:

Josh Freese played the drums with a broken leg!!!! for over 4 months on tour.... so Tommy can suck it up and be a man. or get a replacement. one of the 18 musicians that are on stage now.

THERE IS NO FUCKING ALBUM! THERE IS NO FUCKING WORLD TOUR! THERE IS NO GUNS N ROSES!

GAWD.... that felt good to say. after over 18 yrs of being a die hard "gunner"... it's kinda like being reborn.

These are professional musicians, they don't need someone to tell them what to do. They've being playing most of the songs for a long time now, they should know 'em like the back of their hand. Even you do need someone in charge, you can replace that key position easily enough, just give it Dizzy who's been in the band 16-17 years. Failing that, maybe Axl could actually turn up to rehearsals and take charge, even if he doesn't get involved. These gigs are too important.

Its too muchof a coincidence that this stuff always happens GnR.

First off, Fuck you. I'm not "trying" to be anything. I am a Guns N' Roses fan, I run a message board exclusively for the new lineup and have done everything I can to support this band for years. And when I say "everything I can", I don't mean coming to htgth to bitch and moan, which is what a lot of people who come here to post do. If you want to call those people fans, go ahead. But I won't

I wouldn't become TOTALLY disillusioned. This HAS been teh best effort so far to tour and get the album out. But still, something tells me I'll be owing Howard2k a movie  :hihi:

Every band cancels concerts now and then.

This is nothing.

I've been surfing Amazon all morning ;)

Yet again a bunch of people who weren't going to any of the shows are the ones who are the most upset.


Maybe we should replace some of you since you're so fucking interested in replacing people.

"This isn't a band, it's just Axl's project. They have no chemistry.  :crying: "


"They should replace him!  :crying: "






/jarmo

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, brother.

does every band have the history of GNR?? nope. cancelled shows would be no big deal if it was Metallica or something... they will reschedule and put out records... no matter how shitty they get.

F**KER! I didn't know you were browsing this thread :rofl:

Christ in a hand cart, all you have to do is sit there and click re-load on this thread and it's constant entertainment.  ;D

Does every band have the quality music GN'R has?





/jarmo

we cant be far away from someone posting a bullshit "GNR has broken up" thread, you know thats comin' soon.

You are a heartless bastard! You've never heard of something called an "accident" ????

God, I can't believe how fucking fucked up some of you people are! The way you turn on this band! It's so fucking sad. I hope they don't read this shit. It would make me feel pretty shitty to know so called "fans" are so quick to criticize them for accidentally falling.

i went to 3 shows this last tour.

i lost my money from the cancelled 2002 tour.

i have bought every release from GN'R. some i still own in cassette.... spent thousands on merchandise. t-shirts, posters, collectibles, and pretty much became a musician because of GNR.

My first concert was GNR.

So... sorry... i didn't know i didn't have the right to be disappointed...

FUCK YOU.

I don't know. ?We hav'nt heard the quality of this band's music on an album.



Sorry, Jarmo. ?Had to be said.

Wow, you lost some money in 02'

If you didn't stop being a fan then, why now?

Did Axl come to your house and beg you to buy T-Shirts?

Fuck you man, you are not a fan, you are just like everyone else.

BTW, I went to 6 shows last tour, and 2 in 2002. Plus I was in the Philly Riot, and had tickets to the next show that was also cancelled.

Funny, I don't feel like I'm "owed" anything. I guess that's because I'm not a selfish bastard!

I'LL play bass! ?I'm ready to go right now! ?For real!

Seems like its everyman for himself on this board now.

GNR FAN AGAINST GNR FAN !

GN'R CIVIL WAR STARTS NOW

Haha, very funny. Had to be said. Never mind those demos, or all the tracks we've heard live.

no he's not. have you met George W. is person?? guarantee you will take that back!!! lol...

It's not GNR Fan against GNR Fan

It's the REAL GNR Fans against the whiny bastards who would be happy to come here and find out axl gave up, so they can post "I told you so"

If every other artist is so fucking great and GN'R are horrible and have nothing special about them, what the fuck are you doing here?




/jarmo

Please tell me this is all a sick joke...anyone?  :nervous:

You mean the demos that the band doesn't like us listening to because they are unfinished? ?As for the live songs, they are great...for the people that get to hear them live. ?Tell that to the fans in Japan, South Africa, and possibly Australia and Mexico.

Yeah, never heard any of those tracks as SBD bootlegs before. I heard they don't have the internet in Japan, so they haven't heard it.

Antarctica just called, the demos just leaked there.

they are great musicians. i think they are even better than the original GNR musicians...

I would expect that GnR' to release some kind of statement regarding their intentions for 2007. I find it hard to believe that Tommy's wrist is the reason for all of this. Afterall, it's not difficult to have a replacement bass player for the shows that Tommy can't make. They did that for Brain.

No...GNR is better than every other artist in my opinion...but we have not heard anything OFFICIAL from this band, really. ?I'm not slighting them or anything. ?I'm not ripping on the current tour situation (in fact, I totally aggree with it and understand that they would want to cancel without their bass player). ?I'm just saying, it's hard to compare the quality of music between bands when we don't have anythind definitive from this band to compare to other bands. ?Don't be such a spaz, dude.

Exactly.  THOSE demos.  The ones we can't watch on YouTube anymore.

Nobody here knows exactly what goes on behind the curtains of the GN'R camp so we can't just jump to conclusions and speculate on hwy the dates were cancelled. It could be a million reasons. I don't know, but I still trust Axl.

I don't think you guys understand hat I'm saying here. ?You're acting like I am against this band and it's quality of music. ?In reality it's the opposite. ?I just don't think it's fair towars GNR to judge the quality of the music based on bootlegs of demos and live stuff. ?

Right on dude.

Though, unfortunately, there are many people here who feel like they are "owed the right" to speculate, and then owed the right to decide the band is over because of what they speculated.

I can name a few and they would most likely find another bassist who could do the songs so the fans wouldnt be upset and we would have this situation.

It's bass lines, thats all.

The discussion of the demos contributes nothing to this conversation about the cancellation of the shows.

Good for you!

I hope you go to their message boards and post about how great they are.



/jarmo

Thats a selfish thing to say. Obviously if you're not going to SA you're not going to care. If you were going, it would ruin your day, particularly if you had paid for airfares/hotels.

Will you calm down.....I was just being a smartass....I did it for a laugh...I wasn't being serious at all. Get over yourself and anyone else who took what I said seriously......THOSE WHO KNOW ME ON HERE UNDERSTAND THIS.........so please fuck off.

I agree 100%, and I post on those bands' message boards as well.

You're right.


The shows are cancelled. ?We'll probably hear something about it on the GNR site within the next 24 hours. ?The end.


Now lets go back to talking about Axl's shirts and podcast interviews where Bumblefoot proves his a great guy.

For the last time, anyone who  thinks they should just REPLACE TOMMY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT HE IS TO THIS BAND

have you ever watched them live? Tommy is the heart and soul of their performance, listen to the donnington monitor mix, it's him whose calling out the songs to come next, watch any bootleg, watch him perform.

I couldn't imagine seeing the band without Tommy, in fact, if you asked me would I rather wait a couple months to see the band with Tommy versus seeing them without him, I'd choose to wait.

What pisses me off the most is all this lack of communication from the band to its fans. This look really much like they DON'T GIVE A SHIT if we go through WEEKS without a single official word. It feels like only Bumblefoot cares about the fans being blind, clueless, discussing and guessing with no concrete track of the true, fearing that something really awful is happening to the band they admire and love. Would it be asking too much if we ask them to post something about this problem on the official website, or is it better or more fair that we continue with this mix of despair, anger and hope over here? ???

Sorry, I don't know you, so I just read the words you said. My apologies!

I also have no desire to ever know you :)

Did he sprain his vocal chords too?



JUST KIDDING! ?DON'T BLOW UP AT ME OVER THIS PLEASE!

why are people so offended at speculation? i mean honestly what does it hurt... :-\

and just because people think GnR is over doesnt mean they are...we just gotta wait and see how this mess pans out :peace: no need to freak out on each other

They weren't very loyal to Brain when he had a kid. ::) Tommy should be big enough to accept having a replacement for the good of the band...these gigs are too important.

Also didn't they book Australia/Mexico after Tommy hurt his hand? - seems odd!

If that were the case then there would be no guns n' roses. they wouldn't have wasted 1-10 years of there lives if they just didn't care.

This just sucks, flat out, nothing more to say.

People can write "oh but other bands cancel shows all the time" yeah well not nearly the amount that GNR does.

If you say you are going to do something, you do it. It's called integrity. Something that this band needs to learn. Or a certain red head.

Seriously dude, isn't MyGnr accepting new registrations? I think some people over there might even find you slightly funny.

I just think the whole thing smells of bullshit!!  Sure Tommy probably did break his hand but I think now its a fair chance that they are now just milking that excuse to cover up for other stuff as well.

If they hadn't wanked off and announced the Chinese Democracy World Tour and booked dates etc etc and were just in hibernation still "working on the album", I could actually deal with that - I'm used to that since it's been going on for more than 10 years.

But to still talk about the album, hint at what stage it is at etc, then have the gall to announce a world tour under the name of the title of the album only to axe it before it starts with a lame excuse - I say fuck you!!!

I know Axl has been quoted as saying "live your life" etc etc regarding people whingeing about when the album will be released - well I have. Personally I couldn't give a fuck when the album comes out.  But hey when they announce a tour including dates when they are playing in my own back yard, so I buy tickets and pay money for flights and accomodation, get time off work etc etc and I organise a week or two of my life around it to see them play live, then this......I am gonna be majorly pissed!!!  It just seems like a very weak excuse - I'm sorry!

Fans in the US and Europe obviously don't care and will probably think I am being too harsh - but they have been lucky enough to have the option to see GN'R at numerous shows in 2006 or even the shit tour in 2002 so they probably don't care if there's no more touring before an album.  Well they haven't been down under for 14 years, now this weak as piss excuse is thrown up for a cancellation.  I really feel that they simply don't give a shit.  Surely they could have cancelled the rest of the dates when they cancelled Japan - doctors can usually tell how bad an injury is and the likely recovery time.  But no... they let tickets go on sale and let people (like me and many others) piss their money up against the wall on flights, accomodation etc etc.

Like a lot of people I have been a fan since '87 - even though I'm now 32 I feel like a total child for continually being sucked in and buying their bullshit year in year out.  At some point I gotta open my eyes and accept that GN'R - or I should say Axl - really doesn't seem to care about the fans - the people that actually have supported the band for years and ultimately helped him get to where he is now.  I just feel this is yet another slap in the face and I am getting really tired of queuing up again and again for another one. 

Yeah, integrity is a little more than showing up for a gig.... just ask Metallica.

Whatever.........blow me. :(

Theres nothing wrong with speculation persay. Its just people tend to go a little overboard.

What does it hurt? You need to ask that question?



How would you feel if we posted the same things about you as people post about the band and its members.



"That Neemo always lies to everybody, nothing he says is true. He never canceled that trip because he was sick, he just didn't wanna go. He'd rather sit inside and post on message boards. He just doesn't care about any of you!"




/jarmo

so once it's proven wrong on our part then i will let you tell me im the biggest asshole alive. if i'm right i have the right the "i told you so's..."

Wow, was the delay in the post from you getting out your dictionary?

Because mabey the original GNR is his favorite band, and has been led to believe Axl was going to release an album and to this day it has still never happened. ?Perhaps he is just now recounting the countless amount of tour dates that have been canceled. ?Perhaps he doesn't get backstage at GNR shows like you, so he isn't afraid to speak his mind when needed. ?

I don't get to go backstage at GNR shows, and I don't feel like you.

Jarmo ran this site for FUCKING YEARS before GNR even acknowledged he was alive. You'll need another argument, buddy.

They have at least two months between the injury and Australian dates, one month between injury and South Africa. Lots of time. There's loadsa bass players who'd be well able and would love the opportunity/money.

I know all the songs, I could do it!

You dont need to be proven wrong to be called an asshole.

YOU ARE AN ASSOLE

Speak his mind?  :hihi:

More like take out all the frustrations in his life on a band he doesn't even support.

Well I guess the definition of support for some of you means buying the albums and feeling like the band owes you.



Regarding the rest of your post, I say what I think. That's why I get labeled a prick on a weekly basis by your kind.  : ok:

I'll be happy to admit that I don't think like you or your kind of fans. I'm very proud of that.

I tend to see things differently and not let something that happened in 1996 or 2002 affect me today.

PhillyRiot.....  :hihi:



/jarmo

Then why have a message board about GNR. Everything is in darkness nobody knows the truth about anything anymore, without speculation there would be nothing to discuss. ?

well if i was rich and famous i'd be pretty niaeve to think all press about me would be good....i'd also prolly update my fan base as much as possible to the truth of the situation instead of letting it boil over...but maybe thats just me.

besides if i had a message board dedicated to me with over 8000 members I'd be pretty fucking flattered :D The response this thread is getting shows that there are many people that care about GnR and want them to suceed...I'm sure we've all been ridiculed for staying by this band after all the crap that has gone down..all the bad press they've received

You know the biggest thing that will happen to each and everyone of us? the peopel we know personally in our day to day life are gonna just laugh and shake their heads and say "Damn....why do you follow that washed up has-been for?" and that more than anything pisses alot of us off...yeah the majority of us dont have tickets, but we've stuck with the band through all the shitty times, and now even the fanbase is imploding on itself with constant bickering and bullshit, on top of that when this news hits mainstream attention...we will be ridiculed for believing that Axl and GnR would rise from the ashes and take the rock world by storm again...be cause instead of that he jsut cancelled a whole goddamned tour again :rant:

Yeah, Jarmo started this board so everyone could make up their own lies and then speculate on the result. I think it's mentioned on the front page.

I can't believe people can criticize Jarmo, when you've got other GNR sites with webmasters who try and make tons of money of their sites through ticket advertisements and shit.

GNR 2007 MOTHERFUCKERS!

nothing to discuss ?


-Gnr playing over 80 shows last year
-The leaks
-The new official website
-the updates we have been getting on the official web site
-the new songs they have been playing at there shows
-axl not being a recluse any more

the list goes on

To share news about the band and have discussions about the band. To have a place where fans who feel the same way about the band can connect with others.



It's not about spreading lies, attacking the band or about posting shit about them.




/jarmo

If what other people think of you pisses you off so much, go back to ROV and let them kiss your ass.

Seriously, are you really that concerned about your friends making fun of you for still being into GNR? That's really lame, doesn't say a lot about you as a person.

Press? It would be your so called fans who spread the bullshit speculating about you. In addition to the press.

And you'd "owe" them even after they treat you this way!





/jarmo

fuck, you cunt, i dont give a crap what anybody thinks of me...especially you and i'll go to whatever board i damn well please...if jarmo wants to ban me he can but you have no say so go fuckyourself and go back to your own shitty forum. And thank god you dont know me as a person, you have no idea what I am like and if you did you woulnd say that shit to my face. Those who dont like me can fuck off

and i dont care if my freinds laugh at me for liking the band, i've grown used to it....but i try and avoid talking about gnr as much as possible these days, i'm sick of making excuses for them

gnr2006
And just who the fuck are you.

Neemo and Jarmo might disagree on things but Neemo is very respectful of jarmo and will not tolerate any bad talking about Jarmo on his board. It gets deleted or they get hammered big time.

You have been saying FUCK YOU a few times in this therad to other members untouched.

WELL FUCK YOU TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you reap what you sow.... this is what happens when you play with people hopes and trust for over 15 years. if fans react like this... it's from past experience.

There comes a time when even the strongest of heart begins to feel they are beginning to falter.  Oh the pangs...the pangs...."...love lift us up where we belong..."  :rofl:

i still dont understand who Axl owes to...I've never claimed he has owed me anything, in fact i have really see anybody say that...when you build a mystique around yourself tongues are gonna wag...people lack info then people try to fill in the blanks for themselves...you wanna stop speculation? then talk about shit openly...you keep a ton of secrets? then people make up the truth

If by past experience means me headbanging my head off at the columbus 2002 and cleveland 2006 shows, then the past has treated me pretty good.

You haven't noticed how some feel like they're owed something because they've been fans for years and bought all the records?


Axl has been open about a lot of things and it's just not good enough for some. He gets called tall kinds of things when he says something.....



/jarmo

Well lets discuss the facts.

The promoters world wide are putting out statements the tour is cancelled.

No update form the band.

Tommy is hurt, how bad we do not know, obviously worst then first thought by promoters response.

Axl said in December the Album would be out as close to March 6th as possible.

Del said a month ago the album was in mixing.

We have heard nothing from the label.

I think it is time ?we get a full update that touches on all this subjects from the band.

Atleast lets hope soon anyway.

I've been reading the board all day and got lost in everything written. ?So GNR will not be at these SA shows. ?How does that affect Mexico and Australia, because when I first read the post this morning it said all 2007 shows are postponed ?

There is no better time than right now to release a really good press release.  If they dont do it now, I fear they never will.

i'm also disappointed by news from SA, it's the first time i'm disappointed since 1987 but i can't believe that news about GN'R could make some people going so crazy  :nervous: why this info is so horrible for some of you, that you allow you to insult people, members of GN'R or members of this forum  ???

Or you can not give a damn what anyone thinks, fans, critics, and the pope alike.

Why not inform the fans at the same time as they inform the promoter, or within hours after?

I have no problem with a cancellation due to tommy being hurt.

Just so we are clear, my problem is with no official word.

Phew. At least there's still some humor around here.

We go through this every month or two...it's really cleansing for the mind body, and spirit...it's kinda like a cathartic spring cleaning...and the catalyst is usually a bonehead event like today...it's all good!

dont ask anything if you don't agree, just gtfo and leave the fans alone.

While I don't feel that Guns N' Roses "owes" me anything, I agree with this post.

oh and by the way, my friends never laughted at me cause i'm a Gn'R fan.
if someone laughted at you maybe some friends like Iron Maiden and other heavy metal bands, so they always say that hard rock is shit and etc.

What did you log in now under your other username.

You GTFO  :rant:

Speculation comes along with any type of message board. I agree it should be kept in check. The problem is the factual info that is given is very small .

i think we're not the only one to be sad, people in SA and members of GN'R must be too. I hope that they didn't make choice against us but they take best decision for people who want to see them at gigs  :smoking:

Tommy has an injured hand, its that simple. No Tommy, no live gigs  ;)
The band could have used a temp bass player, but for whatever reason chose not to  :peace:

There are those that think the whole Tommy thing is made up, and Axl is behind the delays  :peace:
The official Gn'R site should post a photo of Tommy's hand  :hihi:

If I have this right the only promoter we have heard from is from South Africa.

There has also been reports in the Mexican press and in the South African press...and the Australian information was reported in the South African article. 

I have seen nothing so far in the Australian press or from the promoter there.

Do I have this straight?

Took a break from posting links that having nothing to do with Guns N' Roses to recap the thread?

Lol. jk.

I by no means think I'm owed anything .

It is just common curtisy to be honest and informing when possible when you are make a living off of a fans or poeple who support your art.

IMHO anyhow

Well we can also feel sad for the folks in Mexico because it is appearing that those shows are too "unofficially" cancelled....Next Up...Australia and New Zealand!

a protocol droid that is fluent in over 6 million forms of communication and service would be really useful right now as a replacement for tommy.

Yep....I honestly don't see how it's out of line to feel that way.

read what you said. read that again. now i'll quote it again... alright, then... WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE?

Seriously, why piss off multiple country's by cancelling shows when you could find a temporary replacement? ?This isn't adding up to be something good. ?There's trouble in the henhouse! Methinks!

peopel usually use the (I bought all the records) thing to justify their opinion...."I've been following GNR for X years so my opinion matters" not "I bought all GNR's albums so Axl owes it to me that CD be released now"

Of course peopel are anxious to get their hands on the album and the more setbacks we hear about then the further away the album feels from our hands....and that bums us out....in the end our fav band is in limbo at the moment and alot of people are scared.

people take the dead timearound the forums differnetly......so some people bitch about not knowing anything, some bitch about VR and how shitty they think they are....other complain that Axl cant get his shit together...some leave.....


axl hasnt talked directly in a while....the tentative date was the last time....how about him answering some questions about GnR for us

When will GnR tour? We dont know
Who is in the final lineup of GnR? We dont know
Is the album finished yet? We dont know
When is the release date? We dont know
Any other tentaive plans for gnr? nope

gee why are the fans frustrated? ::)

No.....but thank you for inquiring.

i know what happened, in fact, Axl was very upset about tommy's trousers and he pushed Tommy right down stairs. Tommy tought that axl will offer him beautiful flowers to apologize but Axl forgot and Tommy is sulking  :hihi:



PS : it's a joke for those who believe   :hihi:

"They say misery loves company
We could start a company
And make misery, Frustrated Incorporated "

Soul Asylum

To discuss GNR , like everybody else. But I know that people will disagree and that is fine. i just do not go off like some on here saying get out of here, or you do not have the right to question anything.

I thought you were gnr2006 signing in under a diffrent username if you were confused and if your not sorry. I did not type it out correctly. He had the same shtick 5 pages ago with the gtfo to others.

i feel that the least Axl can do for us as a G'n'R community is give us full word on everything. The album, tommy, him, the rest of the band, ect. But i too feel that Axl owes me nothing. But wish he'd give us more updates on things.

Axl, Your communtiy is growing tired and doubtful. Rejuvenate us, give us new life new hope that we still have a chance at seeing G'n'R succeed in everyway every fan wants to see them succeed in.

and Tommy get well soon man if ya have to take steriods ;)

:peace:

its ok, i'm not gnr2006... but you asked why a Gn'R board and you're still discussing here. ::)
if you dont agree with the forums, shouldn't stay. well... at least my point of view. its not a fact, of course, lol.