Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So, is this the quiet before the storm? GnR touring Japan, South Africa and South America.. Seams like the world tour is planed.. CD is being Mixed, and for all we know done.. Is this the last deep breath for the GnR fans? We have waited for years.. 2006 was a great year, with the band touring.. 2007 can be a much greater year, with the Next Guns N Roses album released... Think about that. a Guns N Roses cd in stores...

The next update can really kick our ass this time around.. think about that  : ok:

There has to news before long ...wether it's about cd or new dates i really don't know ???.The longer this shit goes on without new music officially being released / band photo's /interviews etc the more i begin to wonder.   

Nytunz I love your positivity man, more fans should have that attitude! :smoking:
Here's to 2007 being a great year! :beer:

Um yeah, quiet before storm. More like the quiet before the quiet. 2007 is not looking good.

I would like to think the CD is coming too, but I just don't see anytime in the near future.  I do appreciate the updates on the website, and the tour plans, and the fact the CD is actually being mixed, but NO WORD of a release date or another "tentative" date is not good concerning CD's release.  I'm saying November 2007.  It's the month I've went with the last 7 years so why not this time around?

I cross my fingers

Soon?

Don't worry, you've got a whole lot of waiting left!

june 19th... or november.

Hope so. We'll just have to keep waiting and see.

I agree. This bullshit will never be over. Once 'Chinese Democracy' comes out people will naturally start talking about the next album :rofl:

I for one am excited. I know we've been fooled before, but I feel really good about this time...

Thanks EazyDuz.. ?:peace:

But think about the current situation people...
We know for a fact that the recording is done!
We know for a fact that the album is being Mixed. (Could be done anytime)
A World tour is being booked..

There has never been so many signs for an albumrelease as this.
you can come up with "What about 2002 World tour etc etc.." But at that time we
dident know the recording was finished, Album being mixed and so on... we knew nothing
more then there was a GnR tour..

Under 4 weeks until the tour starts.. In that time, i think it makes sence that
everything the band has to do with the albumrelease is done...

And that the band have started to give us minor updates about the process on theyr
website, is a very positive thing.. They want to keep us interested in whats going on
now..

2002 soon wasnt the word.. but now i have a feeling that word is about to smack us in the backhead..

The album's been mixed before, 2004 and maybe 2002. Hell in 2002 Axl himself said the album, with tracklist and cover art was finished. If the recording's supposedly done where is the tracklist?

Not much has changed.

in the same place as the tracklist from 1999.........smoke and mirrors......sunshine on my shoulders, makes me happy. Spring has sprung! ;D

you cant relate everything to 2002 if you want.. but because plans have changed in the past, doesnt make them change this time around..
im not saying IT IS comming now, but im saying i really belive it is comming soon. Anyway, we wont se a tracklist before the promotion or the
mixing is done.. thats the same way with every album...

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me so many times I can't count them, it's just a shame.

It always seems like the calm before the storm.....and then, no storm.  :hihi:

All this recent activity just reinforces the question in my mind: what the fuck was 2002 about? and why did they do it? I can see no earthly reason.

i like that positivity Nyuntz! am with you! ?: ok:
in the meantime, I wont get so riled by pedantic mutterings or bitchy asides - I'm enjoying booking some tickets to see other bands and festivals this year to tide me over and get ready for the next bit of positive news.

2002 - aside from anything else gave me my first opportunity to see the band live - so that year will always be landmark to me. selfish reasons I know!

...you're a gn'r fan.

Axl himself explained that in the Eddie Trunk interview in May, they were more or less pressured into touring in 2002, unlike in 2006, which is why they felt way more comfortable doing it in 2006, when they had evolved more as a band.

2002 was the greatest year of GN'R, lineup and tour wise. ?Maybe this year will change everyones mind, including mine and make it the best in GN'R's history.

It's the rule of probability, not certainty. In this case we're looking at a high probability chance of plans changing. You may believe it's coming soon, but there's not much evidence backing that notion besides pure faith.

VR is done recording, we know the tracklist.

with a little bit of luck, Bach will do some talking when this tour starts.
he's been a great source for info!

Good for VR, that's got nothing whatsoever to do with GN'R.

i see the tour comming soon, as a good enough evidence for the album coming out.. you have to put all the parts together to see the picture...
Recording Done + Currently Mixing + World Tour in the plans + quality leek of better = Evidenve enough for me..

No, apparently nothing got anything to do with GN'R. They're (he) simply a seperate entity breaking all the rules.

There's no reason to not reveal simple details about the project if it's indeed close to being released, even Axl does this when he can. Since it's not happening, well....

There was a tour coming in 01, 02, 04 and 06 too.

Recording done, we've heard that before. No telling how credible it is. Recording is only done until Axl decides it's not done after all.

Mixing's been done before, nothing new there.

We've had leaks before, just because we have a 'better' version doesn't mean it's finished.

For the record, we have never had an official announcement about mixing before now.

I don't want to be negative and would rather believe that we are about to get the long promised "storm," but I'm not holding my breath.

The reason for my negative attitude is that I have read posts exactly like the one that started this thread in 1999, 2002, 2004 and again in 2006. I always laugh when I think about what I would have said if someone had told me in 1999 that we'd be sitting here in 2007 still without an album.

We've never had alot of things. In reality it doesn't have to be more than another link in an endless chain being put in place.

If things are so close, where are the circumstantial evidence? Only thing we know is that they might be in the studio trying to finish something. It shouldn't take long, but it shouldn't have taken a decade either.

Have the official website said the recording is done before? Have the official website said that thay are currently mixing the album?
Have Axl been given an exact tentative releasedate before? I know that got delayed, but in the letter Axl said that it could be...
On the current tour we heard new songs played live... .. alot have changed since 02.. and if you can add 1 + 1 you see that..

GnR dont need to release an album just because they tour.. in 2001 and 2002 he just wanted the guys in the band to get out and
play... To have expirience with the playing in GnR... In 2006, the plan was to release the album while touring... But we know there was some
shit happening with the managment and the band... Shit happens.. But because that happend back then.. does not mean the album cant come
out this time.. Axl canceled 4 dates in january to finish up the album... .. and now we see new Tour dates.. They wouldent set up new tour dates
if the album wouldent be done.. they would do some more work on it... and cancel the dates...

It would be funny if they announced the album in asia. Ever think about that?

i have never said we had any evidence, i said it was evidence enough for me.. ?And that i dont see a reason to be negative about things right now...

I'd probably call him a hater, and bash the crap out of him.:D

Yes, in 2002 the official website stated that recording was done. And the 'fact' that they're mixing and giving out tentative dates doesn't mean much, it's all been stated before by sources close to the band, Rolling Stones 21st of November was one of those tentative dates. Only difference is as you say 'it being on the site'. Well, when previous options have been used the tend to new ones. Next thing we'll hear is that mixing is done, but that negotiations are slowing things down.


Funny that the reason for touring in 2002 was to get the guys out there, but what do you know, last year Axl said he was forced to tour. Which one is it?

And there might have been some shit going on with management last year, although I'm leaning towards that being mostly in Axls mind. We all know the real reason the album didn't get released last year, it wasn't finished! It's only so much a manager can do you know.

On that note, I tend to think it's unlikely they'll release Chi Dem and then leave North America for 6 months and let it stagnate.

I think that the overseas tours indicate that the CD is not imminent.   But maybe we'll see the release towards the end of the overseas tours. 

I agree that Bach was a good source of info., but he has his own Japanese tour dates June 1-5 so I'm not so sure he will be along on this one.

a summer release would be awsome... when they have played the dates in Japan, South Africa, South America and Australia..

 :beer: For that one  : ok:

I think we will get our gift within 2 weeks, think about it. a tour starts in april hell that's within 2 weeks,(april)
so we should get news soon.

Well, i do not agree with you on many things here.. and im sure we wont agree no mather how much we discuss it.. but i got your view on things, and that was the point with the thread...
I do belive things are looking very bright now.. and cant wait to listen to a new killer GnR record.. well.. lets hope the album is killer... haha..

no worries...it will be killer. :drool:

That never happened.

doubt it.

a common thing to say is "the album has never been done before--2007 is different!" it's just a different lie. the same people that told you the album is finished are the same people that told you the album was done in (pick one) 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006. if this was a court of law there credibility would be nothing you wouldn't believe anything they said right? but no, you dudes still do. fandom goes so far, but common sense goes farther.

We?ve sorted it down to what songs are on the record. What the sequence of the songs is. The album cover art is ready.

Normally you wouldn't say that if things weren't set to go, but as we all know...

Point is gn'r saying something doesn't really mean anything. When Universal says it's done is when people should start to get exited. Axls word doesn't hold any water at this point.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we are in no position to demand that the record comes out.
This is Axl's project, his art, he doesn't owe it to us, so as fans we should wait patiently for it.
Complaining will only leave you miserable. I complain about stuff to, but a record being delayed? No.
When it is ready it will come out, just live your lives in the meantime and stop obsessing over this.

And he is in no right to mislead the fans who desperately want to see it released. If you don't know when it'll be out stop talking about it like you do.

I personally think it's coming berfore they tour North America again for sure. I would guess before Summer! I know there has been ''RUMOURS'' on my radio stations that the album couln't be mixed and was scrapped, but then I was told by a fellow board member nothing is Impossible to mix. If GNR wants to they can release this before VR album. I think it is ultimatly up to Axl and when he feels he is ready it will come out, and it will be great!

They had an idea of what would be in the album by that time. They could have sorted it down songs, sequence and cover art without all the recording being done.

It's kinda obvious that the major recordings were done back in between 1999 and early 2003. But since then, they went in a hiatus and Buckethead left the band. It may changed the previous situation of which songs would make the final cut. Also, the band could have written some new songs from that point till last year, which made them to think again about what would be in the album.

Point is: the band NEVER really said that the recording process was done and they were mixing. You only assumed this, but that's not a fact.

I dont know, last year I was the most positive and optimistic fan. The tour was great, Axls voice was back, the setlist was more diverse, I was really thinking the waiting was over. Then 2007 arrives and everything its so quiet. Some news that doesn't worth a crap, the official site hasn't even the tour dates for this year, wtf?

Seriously, it doesn't feel like the quiet before the storm, I have many reasons to believe this could be another 2003-2005 period...

Heh, the quiet before the storm. There's been many quite moments, followed by mini storms: Leaked Tracks, Live Gigs, TV Ad's, New Band Memebers, and sometimes a small piece of news on the offical Gn'R web site.


So what will the next Gn'R 'storm' bring?

A. News on the Gn'R Offcial Website
B. A Track Leak
C. The Album!
D. A Leak of the Cover Art  ;D
E. Something Else(?)

Excuse me? When did I say I knew anything about when the record will be out? All I said was we should be patient and stop obsessing over the release date.
That is my opinion, and it is my right to express it. Your blatant negativity is depressing reading.

Beta marries Axl
Tour cancelled
Negotiations break down with record company
Axl destroys all of the chinese democracy recordings and we are left in a constant 'what if' scenario

Seriously there will come a point when people will be more interested in the real story as opposed to the music, but I hope that won't be the case and all is better soon. Some sort of closure would be nice, lets hope its the album.

I'm talking about Axl.

And your blatant positivity is irritating, doesn't mean I have to point it out.

Of course not...

 ::)




/jarmo

Well I didn't want to point out your negativity at first either, until it became more and more unbearable as the thread dragged on.

If you only want one answer don't ask the question.

i honestly believe, this time around, we're in the calm before the storm.

Can you imagine that, a fire down at the mixing studio. That would delay the whole damn process. They'd annouce that the album was all ready to ship when a fire destroyed the master disc. They'd have to mix the thing from scratch thus making the fans wait another year or two :hihi:

The feeling I'll have when the album is in my hands will likely be indescribable.

Year 2002 all over again.  : ok:

 ::)

You mean chinese democracy starts again?

Why all the negativity, 2002 wasn't a great year for Guns, but at least they toured a bit and made it clear that they're back. 2006 at the other hand was the best year for gunner since around 88. Gn'R are touring this year and do you really think this album is never going to get released ? Sooner or later it will. I'm 99 % sure that Axl didn't even finish his vocals  on the album until last year. He's a perfectionist, I bet he's redoing what he did before and tries to make everthing sound just like he pictures Guns N Roses to be. 2007 may not be the year, but as long as you're a Gn'R fan, its worth the wait.

same here man totally : ok:


c'mon guys be positive :peace:

So, CD has completed recording and mixing in the past?  GNR completed a world tour in 02?  How is this 02 all over again?

i think axl is going to release the album really close to when VR releases libertad, and then when it sells more scott weiland will become a recluse for 10 years.

I doubt the album will be released soon.  Don't you think they might wait until their tour returns to the United States?

What about '87? Not to mention '88 - the early 90's when they were - literally - the biggest act on the planet?

Anyways - back on topic - I'll be honest that I'm skeptical about the wait being over.
That's not being negative, before anyone has a go, just - as others have said - we've seen a lot of this before.

I'm remaining neutral, and have long since held a "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude. I'm curious as to any updates, sure - but as far as predicting anything goes, I gave up a long time back.

I would have thought the website would have a album update before the tour dates being confirmed, surely if the album is getting near completion and they have a (even a rough) idea of the release date it would make sense to put that on the website to increase ticket sales? To me personally, looks like CD will not be coming out before this leg of the tour ends.

There again as everyone says - GNR and make sense do not often go together.

I'd imagine they do another tour of Europe before they play the US again.

Well since the last time they announced a "Rough idea" of a date it dont go over so well.
I dont think they should or will announce a release date until everything is finished and it is set in stone.

The problem is it could be set in stone next week or 5 years from now. ::)

Imagine June 19

Its when Bon Jovi release their countryesque cd.  Be great both on same day.  Let batle commence.  But it wont happen BJ have announced already that their cd will be released June 19th (3months away) so when everything is finalised your looking around 12 weeks from then so axls 8 weeks is around right.
 

When they announce the release date set in rock, your waiting may be over but my wait starts then.
Mine will be short as axl letter says
that the album will be released as shortly after the announcement as is possible.

Honestly (polluxlm) has brought up some very good points.

True, and when the album comes out, people will get heywire and rock on like hell, but the thing is..Will the album really be the masterpiece everybody is talking about..That?s the question ;)

and EXACTLY how much "water" do YOUR words hold???

why is this place painted "battleship grey?"......because it's a fucking war zone..., but the best war zone on da lovely internet!!

hello Jarmo! : ok:


warchild

Dont be silly Warchild. I wont bother to explain what i mean coz you should know. Polluxim is quite right.

well opinions are like sphincters........or so I've heard.....

right??


wc

Yeah, but you didnt offer an opinion. you just had a go at polluxim whos post was based on a fact of what axl said years ago, not an opinion.

And why did you forget what Axl said a few weeks later?

Axl: Umm you'll see it, I dont know if soon is the word. But it will come out and we will, we'll go back, we'll do some more recording and then we'll start the American leg of the tour... And see how it goes from there.




Hahahaha!

First you quote Axl and use his quote as evidence of your point, then say his word doesn't hold water.

You can't have it both ways.....


You don't seem to understand that things change. Sometimes out of your control.



Next time you call Axl a liar, show some proof. And no, Axl saying it'll be out in 2006 isn't him lying.

Because we both know that in order to call somebody a liar, you should know what that person knows.






/jarmo

It's not a lie if you plan something and it doesn't work out for whatever reason, get real haters.

well as far as I am concerned Jarmo has proved BEYOND ANY POINT that Pollixim doesn't know his facts, and twists words.......you would be hard-pressed to convince me

polluxim is nothing but a hater.......makes me wonder why he is here, and not at the fall-out-boys site...........

some people don't WANT to listen to fact, they already have their versions of facts in their pointed little heads.......

 I have little patience with ignorance, and IF Pollixim had any wisdom he would listen to Jarmo......mmmmmmmkay???

wc

He is here to start shit and to try to force his negativity onto other people. Utterly pathetic.

My point exactly. He says one thing then he says another. If the man at the top don't even seem to know what's going on, who does? Why trust any information? And that's not an attack on Axl, just an observation.




Evidence of what? The album being finished or him claiming it's finished? My point that you're seemingly deliberate trying to ignore is that Axl has said many different things, many of them conflicting. Which means there are no reason to take his word as gospel this time around either.

Things change, but there are limits to how many external and uncontrollable events can happen to a person. In Axls case I'll say the track record indicates that he himself is the source to many of those problems causing plans to change.

And instead of 'next time you call him a liar' how about you show me where I've ever called him a liar. I don't believe him to be the lying type, never has, but I do believe he's not fully in control of himself, meaning you can't trust everything he says.

How about you take your 40 days on this forum and do something else than trying to stir up shit with me. You can call me alot of things but I'm not known to resort to personal attacks. Advice.

Look einstein, when you say someone's words don't hold water.......that usually means you are inferring they lie.......

It is truly remarkable how you seem to know what is going on, when really you DON'T....

Now, go play.......Jarmo has discredited anything you have to offer, and while you are sitting there stunned out of your jammies......


LISTEN..for the "POP".....that is the unmistakeable sound that your head makes when it comes out of your ass.......


advice, pal...you'd be smart to listen to Jarmo!!!!


mmmkay?
WARCHILD

You first use his quote as evidence that the album was done, then you say his words don't mean anything.

Well, if his words don't mean anything, why did you quote him in the first place?




How is your example conflicting?




Let me guess, because things are the same as in 2001?






So you're saying you're blaming Axl even though you don't know what exactly went wrong?




I got the impression from your post that you were basically calling him a liar because apparently his word doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, there's some so called fans who would be happy to call him a liar because of things he's said.


By the way, nobody can be in total control. There's always things to take into consideration.




/jarmo

lol @ using time spent on forums as an argument.
You have no clue how long I have been around in the online GN'R community.
If you are here for other reasons than complaining, feel free to prove so.

No, I used the quote to show that he's said before the album was done, or if you will, indicated that it was.



That one isn't, and I never claimed it was, hence the 'he's said many things'.

Here's 2 though:

2002: "We just wanted to go out and have some fun, get some chemistry going" (not the exact quote, but it gathers the thrust of it)

2006: "That was something I was forced into"

2002: "We've sorted it down to what songs are on the record, the art work and tracklist is finished"

2002(next sentence): "Don't hold your breath....if it were to never happen"

Now, I realise like you say that the reason for such statements is most likely connected to things he know that we don't, but they're still pretty conflicting statements. You can take it as you wish, I take it as the words of a troubled man with a conflicted mind, meaning I never take any statement from him at face value.




No, because there are no new evidence on the table suggesting otherwise. He dropped around ambiguties in 2001 and he does it now. You can argue semantics all you want, it won't change the picture I'm looking at.





No, I'm saying patterns suggest something.




You go out pretty harsh on an assumption then, funny since you're using the very same trait against me. Now I've hopefully made clear how me not taking his word as gospel doens't necessarily imply me calling him a liar.

And 'other users' got nothing to do with me.

Pollixim, are you a fucking masochist??? do you ENJOY having an ass made out of yourself?????

You keep getting discredited,knocked down, and coming back for more...I am beginning to wonder..hmmmm Idiot or just plain cretin??

I would tell you to stop while you still have credibility left, but that has LEFT THE BUILDING........


You DON'T Know what the fuck you are babbling about.....is it verbal diahrreah time at your house??? You damn sure have a case.......

WARCHILD

I don't need to prove shit to condescending (insert favorite description here) who got nothing better to do than chase a petty grudge. Disagreement is one thing, constantly fishing for fights and personal attacks is something else. Everybody with half a brain can see who's acting like a child here, no matter how much they hate my opinion.

But he never said it was done.

He said they knew what songs were gonna be on it, in what order and what the cover would look like.

There's a difference.

You're assuming a lot of things....




So the fact that the band has played full tours and they've played more new songs live than in 2001 means nothing?

I know you don't believe what Axl says, but I believe Ron also mentioned dthe recording being done.




Well I guess it's only fair I use that on you if you're gonna be assuming things about Axl.  :P




/jarmo

I don't need to prove shit to condescending (insert favorite description here) who got nothing better to do than chase a petty grudge. Disagreement is one thing, constantly fishing for fights and personal attacks is something else. Everybody with half a brain can see who's acting like a child here, no matter how much they hate my opinion.


EXACTLY..it is YOUR opinion, don't try to force it onto us, because you are DEAD WRONG, and assuming a hell of a lot.........Don't try and present it as FACT!!



OK....time to shut up now Polluxim ...surely you must feel the need to insert suppositories into your stupid mouth right about now........

Give it up.......You ARE the weakest link......

and Jarmo KNOWS his shit!! so take that and insert it into the nearest orifice......YOU are wrong, JARMO is right.....now that isn't so hard is it?

ohmygodihatestupidpeople

hi Jarmo!
WC

I'm a hell of an assumptionist, won't deny that. Kinda figured that was the way to go when I discovered real truths were hard to come by. Fact is we're all assuming things, difference is I don't have any problem with what people are assuming, that's part of the discussion. Instead of putting labels on people I try and counter with my own view on things. Sometimes arrogant, yes, but if there's one thing you can say about me is I never attack anyones character (public figures excluded). I don't feel the need for that.




It means nothing in regards to the album, obviously.

And Ron's word is hardly something you take to court. He's a diplomat, and I respect him for reaching out in the ways he can, but I won't put the responsibility for delivering CD news on him, simply because he's likely to not know the whole picture. Just like Dizzy and his 2003 comments. It doesn't mean anything cause it's never led to anything substantial.




To wrongs make a right, eh?

All I would want from you is to accept that assumptions is an integrated part of almost anything. You don't know the facts either, it's all assumption. Using it against somebody however is slightly hypocritical and uncessary.

And btw, how about you do something about these 2 'fans' chasing me around here? I'd hope you'd be big enough to see that shit is in breach of alot of things.

Who are you to talk about  credibility Huh ?!
What you have to do whit Jarmo and Polluxm debate ?!
If you have nothing good to say,keep your mouth closed.

Maybe because often the assumptions are either wrong or based on false information.. Or both?





And why is it ok to attack somebody you don't know anything about?

Especially when the person in question is part of the reason why we're all here.






So by comparison, when the tour ended abruptly in 2002, you wouldn't say things look better regarding the album now?






Just asking if two different sources mean anything to you.

Obviously nothing this band says means anything to you.


I'm kinda puzzled by this attitude. Not necessarily from you personally, but others. They have the same opinion. Nothing the band says means anything, but they think the band should listen to what they say. The band should do this, should do that etc., but when the band says something, it doesn't matter because it means nothing.




/jarmo

Polluxium......

You ARE using assumptions against Guns & Roses, are you not????

Don't expect to come here, that doesn't fly......lack of info is no reason to make up your own stories, and you will get more info when it is released.......
You are not "owed" a damn thing, understand? EXCEPT what the band chooses to tell you.....so file that under T.S.

Actually, you should have shut up several posts back. ...you have no idea what you are talking about...why is this soooo hard to understand????

Time to pick up your half-assed arguements and self-assumptions and go the fuck home........

you won't win....

WC

because Jarmo knows the truth, and polluxium is an assuming hater......now, go play, KID..I am out of your league

mmmmkay?

The truth is there is no official release date. ;D The truth is who gives a fuck why? The truth is 1 original song officially released in 16 years. Everything past that is irrelevant. : ok:

Those assumptions...





I like his music, always has, probably always will. I don't care too much about him personally though, neither do I think I should. Him being a genius does not exclude him from being human, and that includes fucking up and covering your ass. I'm not saying anyone should throw away their records, dl the album or don't go to the shows, but I do like to point out that what the man says isn't necessarily something to fly off the map for. I you want to call that attacking him I guess you're in your right to do so.





No, I would say GN'R going on yet another tour doesn't have to mean anything in regards to the album. It's just a tour, they've done it before without an album and they can do it again. Things look better now than in 2002, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that means things are looking good.





Everything means something, I just don't think they mean the same as you do.

Pollixium:

Everything means something, I just don't think they mean the same as you do.
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No, you just don't Think........a waste is a terrible thing to mind.....


But you obviously don't want THE truth.....you want YOUR truth........

sometimes they don't match up.....Revelation?

Way too late to stop before you make a fool out of yourself..but, I warned ya!

ohmygodihatestupidpeople
WC

Yeah, and why is it that you seem to always assume the worst?


I guess you can say you do it because of what's happened in the past, but then I show you why things are different now. Yet you keep assuming the worst time after time.

You never give the band the benefit of the doubt.


What if for once you thought "ok, so this is the first time they've said the album is 100% recorded and they've played a lot of shows, maybe it means the album is coming sooner than before"?

Instead you just stick to "it means nothing because the past has showed us that".





/jarmo

I don't think anyone knows the truth.....why we're here, to vent, to say what we want to say, and feel how we want to feel, it's what a forum's all about.  ::)

ITsnot your bussines and you are ?off topic.
Of course i am out of your league..


You have no credibility,you are ?fucking annoying person.. ?a joke on others GN sites.
So stop to don your alter ego and fuck with people here.
 

It's funny how some of us suddenly turn haters. That's right, we weren't always 'haters'. In fact you saw most of us not later than last year fuzzyling anticipating Chinese Democracy. Things were good then, for a while, until all those strange events started happening. Then when Axl and Merck both respectively stated their explanation some of us saw it for what it was. You certainly don't seem to agree with that picture, but what I saw was a man seemingly not able to work unless the circumstances were absolutely right. 3 days? Now you may say Mercks word is bullshit, but his claims are not disputed by Axl, quite on the contrary when he himself admits that the main reason for non-deliverment is that he's not been able to finish it. Further backed up by what band members have said about recent recording, and Del James own statement(See, I can believe what they say). But despite these facts he still somehow suggest that Merck is the cause of all this. Put that into context with him blaming Buckethead for the 04 cancellations, the record company for 2002 and Dougie for the 2001 tour. All 3 accusants dismissed, 1 voulentarily, from service. To me that paints a picture of an insecure and dillusional man with certain ego issues. Now it's sad to view a man you admire like that, but if it is, it is.

Some of us always suspected this, and when looking back at previous events and statements you kind of have to start seeing it for what it really is. This doesn't lower my respect for the musical and live abilities but it does get me to the point where I'm tired of the game being played. Maybe we'll see the damn album soon, I'll shut it then, but I don't currently see what should be seen. It's still the same game. Disagree all you want, this is the way many have started seeing things, and it's no coincedence. Watching the biggest 'Axllite' Dave suddenly having a dramatic change of heart didn't ring a bell?

I'll believe what I believe, and I will assume what I assume until I see some hard evidence of what we've been told, over and over. I'll wait, and this here is my way of doing it.

Exactly: "we're an American band, we come into your town, we help you party it down, we're an American band."

The only funny thing is that a lot of you are either or. You're either really supportive or you're not.


Many of you seem to take this album very personally. You get really upset when it's not out on its tentative release date.

I just have the attitude that it'll be out when it's done. In the meantime, I have other things to be excited about.

Seems like you don't.



You're also saying that since somebody said one thing, and Axl didn't, it must mean that person is right.

It doesn't always work like that....

That's why many people think what Slash says is the truth. Because he's the only one who's been speaking for years and years. So when Axl says the opposite, he gets labeled a liar and unreliable.







/jarmo

No, I just have no patience with stupidity, and ignorance which is present in a LOT of the posts that are "claiming" to be fans.....

seems more like a lynch mob to me!  And I do have an ego....but an Alter ego??? nope, you were misinformed (act surprised!) I am sure I know where that came from..........and you do not know the half of it.......those "other" sites were still supporting Darknemus

and in league with some very unsavory, questionable, people.....you have no fkn idea!

and some OTHER GNR sites are a "Joke" to me , for very well founded reasons.....I lump them in with metal sludge and such......

complete drivel by a herd of drooling cretinoids.......

Really sick and tired of the negativity, all the assumptions,all the"predictions", and the sense of "entitlednes" that some people have

it is the embodiment of stupidity to come on a bands forum just to drag everyone down with falsities and items taken out of context.

I am content to wait until the album IS released, and until then I have a life.......music is a big part of it, don't misunderstand me

But to whine bitch moan and belittle someone's character just bacause YOU don't have what YOU want in your hot little hands AT

the time YOU want it, is not showing much character, brain capacity, and I don't respect that attitude....and won't play games....

I shoot straight from the heart, and this seems to upset "fans" such as yourself.............

I do not see someone that constantly posts negative things and slags the band OR it's members as a "fan" in any way.....

And if this wears...FIT IT !!


Damn, isn't this fun?
WC

I believe the right word for this would be a "pest"

Excellent! I have some other words for these said people too, but I'll try really hard not to use them at this particular time........

KUDOS :beer:W.