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Title: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 10:57:45 AM
Why in holy hell is Guns being critisised for the VERY thing(s) they are known for???? Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos........

Has EVERYONE joined the whiner, Bitching, complaining, group of insufficient people unable to live their own fucking life?

Sorry Jarmo & Christos...but I have had a really bad morning, and some of these people need to get a fucking hobby......

Sick of all the negativity, the blame game, the speculations, and the people who think they have some insight that will get them written down in the

annuls of history....BULLSHIT!

Yeah, I care, but I know we will see this album emerge...maybe not on YOUR timetable, but.......things are tough all over chucky!

   I for one refuse to enter into the negativity, the naysayers, and the rest of the refuse ramblers....whomever and wherever they may be.....
   It IS coming people................so stuff that in your knapsack and whistle yourself into oblivion...........I believe!



Kill your soul, shut down your vision so everyone can take their "place" in the herd with a minimum of resistance........
and rebellion....these are the hidden hooks and snares of society, that have become to "civil" to be true.......
and blinds and blames those WHO REFUSE to take theirassigned places in life........

These are the madmen, the poets,the Artists the Rebels, the nonconformist.....outcasts who are hated and hunted. HASSLED.......the desperate souls whose crime is searching for TRUTH in the Seas of LIES that is LIFE...........



takes less than death to kill a man.........(c)

WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 11:14:54 AM
AND MARCH 6 IS OVER.......DROP IT! CHRIST! whiners and crybabies :crying:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Mr. Redman on March 08, 2007, 11:24:56 AM
Fuckin' tell 'em WC!


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Axlfreek on March 08, 2007, 11:26:12 AM
Why in holy hell is Guns being critisised for the VERY thing(s) they are known for???? Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos........

Has EVERYONE joined the whiner, Bitching, complaining, group of insufficient people unable to live their own fucking life?

Sorry Jarmo & Christos...but I have had a really bad morning, and some of these people need to get a fucking hobby......

Sick of all the negativity, the blame game, the speculations, and the people who think they have some insight that will get them written down in the

annuls of history....BULLSHIT!

Yeah, I care, but I know we will see this album emerge...maybe not on YOUR timetable, but.......things are tough all over chucky!

? ?I for one refuse to enter into the negativity, the naysayers, and the rest of the refuse ramblers....whomever and wherever they may be.....
? ?It IS coming people................so stuff that in your knapsack and whistle yourself into oblivion...........I believe!



Kill your soul, shut down your vision so everyone can take their "place" in the herd with a minimum of resistance........
and rebellion....these are the hidden hooks and snares of society, that have become to "civil" to be true.......
and blinds and blames those WHO REFUSE to take theirassigned places in life........

These are the madmen, the poets,the Artists the Rebels, the nonconformist.....outcasts who are hated and hunted. HASSLED.......the desperate souls whose crime is searching for TRUTH in the Seas of LIES that is LIFE...........



takes less than death to kill a man.........(c)

WARCHILD

VIVA LA REVOLUTION  :rant: !


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 11:46:16 AM
KUDOS AF and freek.... :beer:

Appreciated!





W. :smoking:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 08, 2007, 11:46:40 AM
Hey man, I definitely agree with you, but do you think your post is any different? ?The people who spend all day bitching on here are only gonna use your post to bitch more - you're not gonna change anything - so why get so upset at them ?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: RitzWalker8 on March 08, 2007, 11:49:19 AM
Warchild,

If makes you feel any better I feel the same way. ?I am always made fun of being that I am huge GNR fan. ?But I enjoy it. ? I invite the envy that I have the integrity to believe in something and stand by it. ?I concur, that the grand irony of the situation is that Axl does not care what anyone thinks, which the last time I checked is what Rock n' Roll is about. ?And Radio DJs hate that because they characterize Axl as a glory hound.

Ritz


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: RitzWalker8 on March 08, 2007, 11:50:39 AM
Axl can take as long as he needs.  I don't care.  I stand by him.   


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 11:56:48 AM
Hey man, I definitely agree with you, but do you think your post is any different? ?The people who spend all day bitching on here are only gonna use your post to bitch more - you're not gonna change anything - so why get so upset at them ?


Any swinging dick hijacking my thread can deal with me...........children are NOT welcome

and SOMEONE has to take a stand against all the negative crying and whining..........which is NOT gonna speed up process one iota!

Warchild


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: TheMole on March 08, 2007, 11:58:32 AM
I'm only going to ask this once, and whatever you answer, I'm gonna believe you...

Are you on drugs?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 08, 2007, 12:01:24 PM
Hey man, I definitely agree with you, but do you think your post is any different? ?The people who spend all day bitching on here are only gonna use your post to bitch more - you're not gonna change anything - so why get so upset at them ?


Any swinging dick hijacking my thread can deal with me...........children are NOT welcome

and SOMEONE has to take a stand against all the negative crying and whining..........which is NOT gonna speed up process one iota!

Warchild


You are fearsome!  Go get em'     If I don't see any negative threads in the next coming weeks, then I will stand corrected, and you are more influential than I thought : ok:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 12:05:54 PM
I'm only going to ask this once, and whatever you answer, I'm gonna believe you...

Are you on drugs?

only perscriptions, I am BP1


manic depressions a frustrating mess......
jimi hendrix



W.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 12:08:42 PM
Hey man, I definitely agree with you, but do you think your post is any different? ?The people who spend all day bitching on here are only gonna use your post to bitch more - you're not gonna change anything - so why get so upset at them ?


Any swinging dick hijacking my thread can deal with me...........children are NOT welcome

and SOMEONE has to take a stand against all the negative crying and whining..........which is NOT gonna speed up process one iota!

Warchild


You are fearsome!? Go get em'? ? ?If I don't see any negative threads in the next coming weeks, then I will stand corrected, and you are more influential than I thought : ok:


they get news, they bitch, they don't get news they bitch.........it is a fucked up situation.......

but.....Thanx for the encouragement......KUDOS


W : ok:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: RitzWalker8 on March 08, 2007, 12:15:34 PM
just live and let die motherfucker. 

Go Warchild!!!!


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on March 08, 2007, 12:23:25 PM
Hey man, I definitely agree with you, but do you think your post is any different? ?The people who spend all day bitching on here are only gonna use your post to bitch more - you're not gonna change anything - so why get so upset at them ?


Any swinging dick hijacking my thread can deal with me...........children are NOT welcome

and SOMEONE has to take a stand against all the negative crying and whining..........which is NOT gonna speed up process one iota!

Warchild


You are fearsome!? Go get em'? ? ?If I don't see any negative threads in the next coming weeks, then I will stand corrected, and you are more influential than I thought : ok:


they get news, they bitch, they don't get news they bitch.........it is a fucked up situation.......

but.....Thanx for the encouragement......KUDOS


W : ok:

Yeah - no problem bro. I really do hear ya - but you're going to war with some crazy f*ckers here!  I get pissed like everyone else too, but try not to bitch as much as most - Just remember - the people that do a lot of bitching are not that different from you and I - just hardcore fans trying to deal with the wait the best way they know how -  :no:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on March 08, 2007, 12:27:06 PM
I don't think the issue is non-conformity or being a rebel.

I think people just expect their favorite band to, you know, make music.  When that doesn't happen, they get frustrated.  That is all.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 12:36:18 PM
Hey man, I definitely agree with you, but do you think your post is any different? ?The people who spend all day bitching on here are only gonna use your post to bitch more - you're not gonna change anything - so why get so upset at them ?


Any swinging dick hijacking my thread can deal with me...........children are NOT welcome

and SOMEONE has to take a stand against all the negative crying and whining..........which is NOT gonna speed up process one iota!

Warchild


You are fearsome!? Go get em'? ? ?If I don't see any negative threads in the next coming weeks, then I will stand corrected, and you are more influential than I thought : ok:


they get news, they bitch, they don't get news they bitch.........it is a fucked up situation.......

but.....Thanx for the encouragement......KUDOS


W : ok:

Yeah - no problem bro. I really do hear ya - but you're going to war with some crazy f*ckers here!? I get pissed like everyone else too, but try not to bitch as much as most - Just remember - the people that do a lot of bitching are not that different from you and I - just hardcore fans trying to deal with the wait the best way they know how -? :no:


Firstly, THANK YOU RITZ....APPRECIATED TRULY!!!!

Secondly,going to war with crazy fuckers doesn't worry me in the least, I have been called a crazy fuck on a few occasions (i can't imagine why?) and a few other

"choice words"........I suggest all the whiners and crybabies start eating play-dough with staples, isn't that what the chromosome impared are supposed to do?

Don't like that? well go memorize the bible backwards, and pray for Britney Spears (crazy bitch) or immulate her...shave your head, smack people with umbrellas
and sing "the rehab song".............

But STOP whining......THE ALBUM WILL COME OUT WITHOUT YOUR INPUT!!!!!!!!! mmmmmmmmmkaay?


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: floppyfish27 on March 08, 2007, 12:45:03 PM
Warchild = W. AXL ROSE!!!   

All signs point in that direction, read closely...    ;D

all kidding aside, I am on his side as well 100%   

I don't post often, I read more than anything else to keep up and I'll admit I'm frustrated like others about the negative bullshit that comes out of people mouths like they are owed something! It's just fucking ridiculous!..  do something else with your life or join another board.. get your negative nancy's off this board!!


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 12:48:02 PM
I don't think the issue is non-conformity or being a rebel.

I think people just expect their favorite band to, you know, make music.? When that doesn't happen, they get frustrated.? That is all.


They should know by now it ain't gonna happen in their time frame.............or on ther schedule.........

so How does Whining help??? take a long gander at the retarded topics on here (and this is the GOOD board) critisizing everything from clothes, skin tones,
shoes, and soooo many suppositions and predictions, hell is miss cleo a member???

Jarmo does a good job.....it would drive me over the fkn edge!!!!!


pray for me that they might see;
It's the nature of my fate.....
to be misunderstood and stand...
let it not be too late.......(w)


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on March 08, 2007, 12:54:12 PM
Nobody expects the album to come out on their personal time table... however when the band, the management, and Axl Rose himself say one thing and fail to deliver, people get frustrated and complain.

I don't think anyone expects their whining to change things.  But talking about their feelings is one way in which people cope with their frustrations.   When the album finally does come out, they'll be singing Axl's praises again, don't you worry.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Bruno Poeys on March 08, 2007, 12:57:13 PM
Why in holy hell is Guns being critisised for the VERY thing(s) they are known for???? Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos........

Has EVERYONE joined the whiner, Bitching, complaining, group of insufficient people unable to live their own fucking life?

Sorry Jarmo & Christos...but I have had a really bad morning, and some of these people need to get a fucking hobby......

Sick of all the negativity, the blame game, the speculations, and the people who think they have some insight that will get them written down in the

annuls of history....BULLSHIT!

Yeah, I care, but I know we will see this album emerge...maybe not on YOUR timetable, but.......things are tough all over chucky!

   I for one refuse to enter into the negativity, the naysayers, and the rest of the refuse ramblers....whomever and wherever they may be.....
   It IS coming people................so stuff that in your knapsack and whistle yourself into oblivion...........I believe!



Kill your soul, shut down your vision so everyone can take their "place" in the herd with a minimum of resistance........
and rebellion....these are the hidden hooks and snares of society, that have become to "civil" to be true.......
and blinds and blames those WHO REFUSE to take theirassigned places in life........

These are the madmen, the poets,the Artists the Rebels, the nonconformist.....outcasts who are hated and hunted. HASSLED.......the desperate souls whose crime is searching for TRUTH in the Seas of LIES that is LIFE...........



takes less than death to kill a man.........(c)

WARCHILD
yeah, dude, that also pisses me off. It's annoying and I don't know why these people keep coming here. I seriously don't know why... maybe they're Slash fans trying to piss us off.  :hihi:
they won't change anything anyway. The album will be out soon.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 12:59:21 PM
Warchild = W. AXL ROSE!!!? ?

All signs point in that direction, read closely...? ? ;D

all kidding aside, I am on his side as well 100%? ?

I don't post often, I read more than anything else to keep up and I'll admit I'm frustrated like others about the negative bullshit that comes out of people mouths like they are owed something! It's just fucking ridiculous!..? do something else with your life or join another board.. get your negative nancy's off this board!!



Thank you for the support!! Hmmmmm Maybe they can join a Fall out boys board???

but STOP THE NEGATIVITY, THIS IS A FAN FORUM.........mmmmkay?

I guess friends DON'T equal fans..........


I say don't believe a word you hear
and half of what you see
you will scream, but they won't hear you
and you can't make them see...
It's called Society.......(w)


WARCHILD
rabid n' snarlin


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 01:03:24 PM
Warchild = W. AXL ROSE!!!? ?

All signs point in that direction, read closely...? ? ;D

all kidding aside, I am on his side as well 100%? ?

I don't post often, I read more than anything else to keep up and I'll admit I'm frustrated like others about the negative bullshit that comes out of people mouths like they are owed something! It's just fucking ridiculous!..? do something else with your life or join another board.. get your negative nancy's off this board!!



Being that warchild is my fiancee he isn't Axl Rose.

I should know.?

Just don't want anyone thinking that he is Axl.? He's not.
He's a diehard fan just like you are and he's a 40+ male.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 01:05:22 PM
Why in holy hell is Guns being critisised for the VERY thing(s) they are known for???? Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos........

Has EVERYONE joined the whiner, Bitching, complaining, group of insufficient people unable to live their own fucking life?

Sorry Jarmo & Christos...but I have had a really bad morning, and some of these people need to get a fucking hobby......

Sick of all the negativity, the blame game, the speculations, and the people who think they have some insight that will get them written down in the

annuls of history....BULLSHIT!

Yeah, I care, but I know we will see this album emerge...maybe not on YOUR timetable, but.......things are tough all over chucky!

? ?I for one refuse to enter into the negativity, the naysayers, and the rest of the refuse ramblers....whomever and wherever they may be.....
? ?It IS coming people................so stuff that in your knapsack and whistle yourself into oblivion...........I believe!



Kill your soul, shut down your vision so everyone can take their "place" in the herd with a minimum of resistance........
and rebellion....these are the hidden hooks and snares of society, that have become to "civil" to be true.......
and blinds and blames those WHO REFUSE to take theirassigned places in life........

These are the madmen, the poets,the Artists the Rebels, the nonconformist.....outcasts who are hated and hunted. HASSLED.......the desperate souls whose crime is searching for TRUTH in the Seas of LIES that is LIFE...........



takes less than death to kill a man.........(c)

WARCHILD
yeah, dude, that also pisses me off. It's annoying and I don't know why these people keep coming here. I seriously don't know why... maybe they're Slash fans trying to piss us off.? :hihi:
they won't change anything anyway. The album will be out soon.



HA! Damn Straight Bro.........KUDOS! :beer:..He who laughs last.......laughs his ass off!!!!!

WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: MotherGooseLuvR on March 08, 2007, 01:06:19 PM
If you think the negaitvity is bad now, wait until the album comes out.

I think it's easy to lose site of the greater GNR Reality beyond the fanatic message boards...

GnR was the biggest band of their generation, but they've fallen so far off the radar that I doubt most of their long time fans even know who's in the band anymore. ?I'm not talking about people who check the forums. I'm talking about people who love GNR but have gone on with their lives since old band crumbled in the mid-90's. ?

When these people hear that "Guns N' Roses" have a new album, of course they're going to buy it. ?But they'll be expecting something very different than what they're going to get (aka Jimmy Fallon syndrome). ?And when that happens, we might hear a lot more bitching about Axl.

And it's not going to be from die hard loyalists who are pissed about another missed release date... It's going to be from people who are far less forgiving of Axl, and far less willing to accept whoever's in the band at the time as "Guns N' Roses."

Just saying... This album's going to rock our world, but if you're expecting the rest of the world to be as enthusiastic as the people on the GNR Boards, then I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Point is -- is someone wants to be negative, let them. ?Live with it. ?That's the world we live in. ?People have different tastes and different feelings. ?You're never going to change their minds, so don't lose any sleep over it. ?Love what you love and don't waste your time on what other people think.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 01:22:42 PM
The press ALWAYS hated Gn'R...........deeply, and it showed!! Their position hasn't changed much over time.........fuck em'

and may I reiterate this IS a fan forum.......the bashers, whiners, and haters are perfectly free to pursue their own site.....(oh, they have one...inside joke)

Jarmo does his damndest to keep this site on a positive upswing, and if you don't like it.......go to "Other Places"(cough;mygnr;choke)

 So If YOU are unhappy about the situation as it stands right now......kindly go regurgitate your venom on a site where it is encouraged.........


THE ALBUM IS COMING MOTHERFUCKERS.............FACT!

twin storms of anger and fear;
cheap and easy mysticisim;
hollow people grasp at anything
that would fill the hole....
and make them feel less empty.......(w)

WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: estrangedpaul on March 08, 2007, 01:29:09 PM
Why in holy hell is Guns being critisised for the VERY thing(s) they are known for???? Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos........

Has EVERYONE joined the whiner, Bitching, complaining, group of insufficient people unable to live their own fucking life?

Sorry Jarmo & Christos...but I have had a really bad morning, and some of these people need to get a fucking hobby......

Sick of all the negativity, the blame game, the speculations, and the people who think they have some insight that will get them written down in the

annuls of history....BULLSHIT!

Yeah, I care, but I know we will see this album emerge...maybe not on YOUR timetable, but.......things are tough all over chucky!

? ?I for one refuse to enter into the negativity, the naysayers, and the rest of the refuse ramblers....whomever and wherever they may be.....
? ?It IS coming people................so stuff that in your knapsack and whistle yourself into oblivion...........I believe!



Kill your soul, shut down your vision so everyone can take their "place" in the herd with a minimum of resistance........
and rebellion....these are the hidden hooks and snares of society, that have become to "civil" to be true.......
and blinds and blames those WHO REFUSE to take theirassigned places in life........

These are the madmen, the poets,the Artists the Rebels, the nonconformist.....outcasts who are hated and hunted. HASSLED.......the desperate souls whose crime is searching for TRUTH in the Seas of LIES that is LIFE...........



takes less than death to kill a man.........(c)

WARCHILD
yeah, dude, that also pisses me off. It's annoying and I don't know why these people keep coming here. I seriously don't know why... maybe they're Slash fans trying to piss us off.? :hihi:
they won't change anything anyway. The album will be out soon.



HA! Damn Straight Bro.........KUDOS! :beer:..He who laughs last.......laughs his ass off!!!!!

WARCHILD

Actually, he who laughs last...took longest to get the joke.

Take a look at all the threads on the first page of this board - they all seem fairly positive to me - except "the dissing...has begun." I think people are just pissed off because Axl said they would be informed if there was any change or if the March 6th date wasn't going to happen. Instead he just went completely quiet. Well, unless you count Del James's letter, I suppose, but that didn't really explain anything. There are also many issues which the fans deserve explanations about (Philadelphia incident, for example). I'm not complaining myself, just saying its understandable some people might have grievences. The good news is threads proclaiming "this is not Guns N' Roses" have for the most part disappeared. I have no problem calling this band Guns N' Roses, but people saying they're better than the original band or that Finck is better than Slash, etc., even though they haven't released any official music, is just rediculous. So saying stuff like that is bound to get some replies which may appear negative.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Bruno Poeys on March 08, 2007, 01:30:48 PM
HA! Damn Straight Bro.........KUDOS! :beer:..He who laughs last.......laughs his ass off!!!!!

WARCHILD
true. They can talk as much as they want, when Chinese Democracy is finally out we'll be laughting our ass off. Oh, and singing...
So bittersweet, this tragedy won't ask for absolution
This melody inside of me still searches for solution
A twist of fate, a change of heart
Kills my infatuation
Of a broken heart
To provide the spark for my determination
 :beer:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: TrixAreForKids on March 08, 2007, 01:31:37 PM
If you think the negaitvity is bad now, wait until the album comes out.

I think it's easy to lose site of the greater GNR Reality beyond the fanatic message boards...

GnR was the biggest band of their generation, but they've fallen so far off the radar that I doubt most of their long time fans even know who's in the band anymore. ?I'm not talking about people who check the forums. I'm talking about people who love GNR but have gone on with their lives since old band crumbled in the mid-90's. ?

When these people hear that "Guns N' Roses" have a new album, of course they're going to buy it. ?But they'll be expecting something very different than what they're going to get (aka Jimmy Fallon syndrome). ?And when that happens, we might hear a lot more bitching about Axl.

And it's not going to be from die hard loyalists who are pissed about another missed release date... It's going to be from people who are far less forgiving of Axl, and far less willing to accept whoever's in the band at the time as "Guns N' Roses."

Just saying... This album's going to rock our world, but if you're expecting the rest of the world to be as enthusiastic as the people on the GNR Boards, then I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Point is -- is someone wants to be negative, let them. ?Live with it. ?That's the world we live in. ?People have different tastes and different feelings. ?You're never going to change their minds, so don't lose any sleep over it. ?Love what you love and don't waste your time on what other people think.

Your absolutely correct.

Anyone who spends 13 years making an album for themselves deserves some criticism.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: LunsJail on March 08, 2007, 01:35:55 PM
Unfortunately most fans appreciate nonconformity and rebellion early on in a band's career.  After that, they want things played out exactly like they do in their own minds. Which explains all the armchair band managers on GNR boards giving advice about first singles and marketing schemes.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 01:45:53 PM
Well, the Eagles spent 14 years between releases........this is not a precedent........


and THANK YOU for that remark LunsJail.......armchair managers, designing marketing in their head.......and we have had some armchair mixer experts lately!!!
AMUSING!!!


and if THE album wasn't such a hot commodity, it wouldn't be eliciting such rabid responses in people............some seem well schooled in the art of

savagery.............

and the "fans" are not owed anything, they have this sense of entitlement........the delay message was delivered, but yet they still bitch and moan!

I'll let you know tomorrow....
everything may be alrightI've been through hell, and I can't tell
whats wrong or what is right
hope i make it one more night....
lay it down, get it straight, give it up.and say goodnight ?(w)

Warchild


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: clau68 on March 08, 2007, 01:50:28 PM
I agree with Warchild. The ones who like bitch about Axl must create their own forum. I think this is a forum to support Axl. And the fact that Axl do not act like people expect is something that makes him special.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: EFISH on March 08, 2007, 01:51:55 PM
Putting aside how much I dislike you, I agree. The complaining is ridiculous.

The band have done there job now, they finished recording....and now it's up to the producers, the record company, etc...

Like Jarmo reitterates, Axl does not owe us anything.

This is Axl's masterpiece and I am looking forward to hearing it when he feels it's ready.




Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 01:59:15 PM
Why in holy hell is Guns being critisised for the VERY thing(s) they are known for???? Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos........

Has EVERYONE joined the whiner, Bitching, complaining, group of insufficient people unable to live their own fucking life?

Sorry Jarmo & Christos...but I have had a really bad morning, and some of these people need to get a fucking hobby......

Sick of all the negativity, the blame game, the speculations, and the people who think they have some insight that will get them written down in the

annuls of history....BULLSHIT!

Yeah, I care, but I know we will see this album emerge...maybe not on YOUR timetable, but.......things are tough all over chucky!

? ?I for one refuse to enter into the negativity, the naysayers, and the rest of the refuse ramblers....whomever and wherever they may be.....
? ?It IS coming people................so stuff that in your knapsack and whistle yourself into oblivion...........I believe!



Kill your soul, shut down your vision so everyone can take their "place" in the herd with a minimum of resistance........
and rebellion....these are the hidden hooks and snares of society, that have become to "civil" to be true.......
and blinds and blames those WHO REFUSE to take theirassigned places in life........

These are the madmen, the poets,the Artists the Rebels, the nonconformist.....outcasts who are hated and hunted. HASSLED.......the desperate souls whose crime is searching for TRUTH in the Seas of LIES that is LIFE...........



takes less than death to kill a man.........(c)

WARCHILD
yeah, dude, that also pisses me off. It's annoying and I don't know why these people keep coming here. I seriously don't know why... maybe they're Slash fans trying to piss us off.? :hihi:
they won't change anything anyway. The album will be out soon.



HA! Damn Straight Bro.........KUDOS! :beer:..He who laughs last.......laughs his ass off!!!!!

WARCHILD

Actually, he who laughs last...took longest to get the joke.

Take a look at all the threads on the first page of this board - they all seem fairly positive to me - except "the dissing...has begun." I think people are just pissed off because Axl said they would be informed if there was any change or if the March 6th date wasn't going to happen. Instead he just went completely quiet. Well, unless you count Del James's letter, I suppose, but that didn't really explain anything. There are also many issues which the fans deserve explanations about (Philadelphia incident, for example). I'm not complaining myself, just saying its understandable some people might have grievences. The good news is threads proclaiming "this is not Guns N' Roses" have for the most part disappeared. I have no problem calling this band Guns N' Roses, but people saying they're better than the original band or that Finck is better than Slash, etc., even though they haven't released any official music, is just rediculous. So saying stuff like that is bound to get some replies which may appear negative.


only if the reciever of such said joke being told is brain-damaged in some way................if it wears, fit it!

You are a good example of a "fan" with a "I deserve this" mentality....the message was given, does the messenger matter????

and it is RIDICULOUS........if you are going to label something. at least spell it correctly , scooter.

Fans are not Friends.........and you do not deserve explanations for anything besides what the band CHOOSES to release.......New News??? Tape it to your forehead

until it sinks in!!!

you WILL see the Album.....no ?worries!


Each being wars with his own angels and demons
each being succumbs to an essential set of values
a theme, as it were from living a life......
even dark angels have nightmares too.......


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 02:03:22 PM
I agree with Warchild. The ones who like bitch about Axl must create their own forum. I think this is a forum to support Axl. And the fact that Axl do not act like people expect is something that makes him special.


THANK YOU CLAU68...truly appreciated!!!! Kudos!


and also Thank you to Efish, I am rather abrasive at times, a lot of people don't like me!!!  KUDOS and thanks for your support!!!


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: 33 on March 08, 2007, 02:04:52 PM
Warchild good posts my man. Anyone who knows my thoughts know that I hate the negative shit, period. So fair play to you! Positive fans and people who are in this for the long run will always stand by the band. It's fucking coming people and it's gonna be wild when it does, and as I always say the negative people are the ones who will look pretty fucking stupid. The negative ones are the same people who say they are realists and not negative! I love that comment! How does them moaning about anything from the colour of axls teeth, his hair or the old band reuniting etc etc make them a realist? Thats just negative and a waste of everyones time! So respect to you for your thoughts mate! Mike ?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: novrain91 on March 08, 2007, 02:16:25 PM
Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos is cool as long as there is Fucking Music To Go Along With It. Otherwise Axl might as well be Paris Hilton! (and don't bring up that she released a cd, that doesn't count)


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 02:20:10 PM
Warchild good posts my man. Anyone who knows my thoughts know that I hate the negative shit, period. So fair play to you! Positive fans and people who are in this for the long run will always stand by the band. It's fucking coming people and it's gonna be wild when it does, and as I always say the negative people are the ones who will look pretty fucking stupid. The negative ones are the same people who say they are realists and not negative! I love that comment! How does them moaning about anything from the colour of axls teeth, his hair or the old band reuniting etc etc make them a realist? Thats just negative and a waste of everyones time! So respect to you for your thoughts mate! Mike ?

COOL 33, I tend to stay away from negative people, they are a bring-down......and I don't need it!!!!!!

Yeah,

 when the album is released get ready for life at Mach 4...............


sincerily appreciate you dude!



You think fate is gonna kiss you on the mouth
grant your dreams with shivers and chills.....
But in reality, it's gonna fuck you up and give you one of it's pills......



WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 02:26:20 PM
Nonconformity, Rebellion, and general chaos is cool as long as there is Fucking Music To Go Along With It. Otherwise Axl might as well be Paris Hilton! (and don't bring up that she released a cd, that doesn't count)



AAARGH since you brought up PARIS.....im gonna veer off for a minute (sorry Jarmo) and let you read this



 WHACKO SICK BRITNEY



Here's the deal, Britney. I don't blame you. It's not your fault you had terrible parents that pushed you into show business. It's not your fault that we bought all of your shitty music. It's not your fault we kept talking about you and snapping pictures of you even after you stopped making albums. It's really not even your fault that you were a bad mother. I mean, you don't get mad at a retard for dry-humping a watermelon and taking a dump in the middle of Wal-Mart.

This is all on us, the American public. With every abortion of an album that we bought and with every magazine we purchased just because you were slapped on the cover, we helped ensure that you would eventually become the mayor of Crazy Skanksville. This is all our fault, and I would like to apologize on behalf of the entire country.

Having said all of that...PLEASE kill yourself. As I have already clearly stated, you didn't get yourself into this mess. But you're the only one who can get you out of this mess. If you leave us to our own devices, we're just going to keep discussing you for no good reason. Every time you eat a Starburst or paint your toenails a new color, we'll be there to take pictures and turn it into a weeklong gab session.

So, to repeat, PLEASE kill yourself. It's clear that none of us are going to help you. Because the only way we can help you is to leave you alone, and as I'm sure you're already aware, we're incapable of that.

But I'm not asking this of you for your own sake. I'm asking you to do this for the sake of the entire nation. We're slowly being crushed to death under the weight of our own ignorance and stupidity, and it's up to you to save us. I mean, I can't tell you the name of my state's congressman, but I know virtually everything you've done for the past five years. In short, help us help ourselves. The only way you can get us to move on to more important things is to get rid of yourself. Sometimes even that doesn't help, as Anna Nicole's corpse can attest to, but you should at least try.

How you do it is up to you. Hang yourself, jump off a building, take an entire bottle of pills, divorce an ex-football player. I don't care how you do it, just get it done.

And don't mistake this for pity. I'm not trying to say 'Oh, leave the poor girl alone.' Not only do you not deserve pity, it also wouldn't do you any good. If anything, pity would just get you addicted to a different form of attention. Right now you're being barraged with mockery and scorn. And throwing pity into that mix would be like trying to get someone off of heroin by getting them hooked on crack. So don't confuse my request as pity. This is simply a plea for you to do what's best for everyone involved.

And that goes for all of you starlets, not just Britney. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, the Olsen twins and all the rest. As is the case with Britney, none of you are responsible for this. You're just young, dumb people doing what any young, dumb people would do if they had fame and fortune. When you get right down to it, WE are the problem, but YOU can be the solution. So grab a razor and get to slashing...for a brighter tomorrow.

(Note: If Britney has already killed herself by the time you read this, it would be fucking awesome.




yeah I know.......wicked sick.......back on topic...........

Sleepless nights come with the territory
the price you paid for what you have
hang on a little longer,close to despair
one of those sleepless nights you bought and paid for.....

YES VIRGINIA, THE ALBUM IS COMING!!!!!


warchild


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Sharky-dude on March 08, 2007, 02:28:04 PM
Alright, warchild. You really need to chill out.

People complain about axl, and you complain about the complainers. What makes you any different?
Why don't you just relax.
The CD will drop in due time and trust me:
people will complain before, during and after it comes out. That will never change.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 02:32:14 PM
If anyone knew anything about Axl and the way he works, they'd know that he puts out quality over quantity.

I have faith we'll see CD.  And it'll no doubt put GNR back on the map(not that they really fell off the map) but they will get the recognition as the greatest band again.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Bruno Poeys on March 08, 2007, 02:32:51 PM
WHACKO SICK BRITNEY



Here's the deal, Britney. I don't blame you. It's not your fault you had terrible parents that pushed you into show business. It's not your fault that we bought all of your shitty music. It's not your fault we kept talking about you and snapping pictures of you even after you stopped making albums. It's really not even your fault that you were a bad mother. I mean, you don't get mad at a retard for dry-humping a watermelon and taking a dump in the middle of Wal-Mart.

This is all on us, the American public. With every abortion of an album that we bought and with every magazine we purchased just because you were slapped on the cover, we helped ensure that you would eventually become the mayor of Crazy Skanksville. This is all our fault, and I would like to apologize on behalf of the entire country.

Having said all of that...PLEASE kill yourself. As I have already clearly stated, you didn't get yourself into this mess. But you're the only one who can get you out of this mess. If you leave us to our own devices, we're just going to keep discussing you for no good reason. Every time you eat a Starburst or paint your toenails a new color, we'll be there to take pictures and turn it into a weeklong gab session.

So, to repeat, PLEASE kill yourself. It's clear that none of us are going to help you. Because the only way we can help you is to leave you alone, and as I'm sure you're already aware, we're incapable of that.

But I'm not asking this of you for your own sake. I'm asking you to do this for the sake of the entire nation. We're slowly being crushed to death under the weight of our own ignorance and stupidity, and it's up to you to save us. I mean, I can't tell you the name of my state's congressman, but I know virtually everything you've done for the past five years. In short, help us help ourselves. The only way you can get us to move on to more important things is to get rid of yourself. Sometimes even that doesn't help, as Anna Nicole's corpse can attest to, but you should at least try.

How you do it is up to you. Hang yourself, jump off a building, take an entire bottle of pills, divorce an ex-football player. I don't care how you do it, just get it done.

And don't mistake this for pity. I'm not trying to say 'Oh, leave the poor girl alone.' Not only do you not deserve pity, it also wouldn't do you any good. If anything, pity would just get you addicted to a different form of attention. Right now you're being barraged with mockery and scorn. And throwing pity into that mix would be like trying to get someone off of heroin by getting them hooked on crack. So don't confuse my request as pity. This is simply a plea for you to do what's best for everyone involved.

And that goes for all of you starlets, not just Britney. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, the Olsen twins and all the rest. As is the case with Britney, none of you are responsible for this. You're just young, dumb people doing what any young, dumb people would do if they had fame and fortune. When you get right down to it, WE are the problem, but YOU can be the solution. So grab a razor and get to slashing...for a brighter tomorrow.

(Note: If Britney has already killed herself by the time you read this, it would be fucking awesome.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
PERFECT!


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Bruno Poeys on March 08, 2007, 02:34:09 PM
Alright, warchild. You really need to chill out.

People complain about axl, and you complain about the complainers. What makes you any different?
Why don't you just relax.
The CD will drop in due time and trust me:
people will complain before, during and after it comes out. That will never change.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

maybe what makes he different is the fact that he is in a GN'R forum and people that come here keep bitching about Axl/GN'R ?
yea, that makes he different. He supports the band. He doesn't bash the band.  : ok:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Sharky-dude on March 08, 2007, 02:39:01 PM
Alright, warchild. You really need to chill out.

People complain about axl, and you complain about the complainers. What makes you any different?
Why don't you just relax.
The CD will drop in due time and trust me:
people will complain before, during and after it comes out. That will never change.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?

maybe what makes he different is the fact that he is in a GN'R forum and people that come here keep bitching about
Axl/GN'R ?
yea, that makes he different. He supports the band. He doesn't bash the band.? : ok:




Totally.
But bitching about other people bitching is a pointless waste of time (and a thread)


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Jim Bob on March 08, 2007, 02:47:35 PM
This isn't McDonalds, this isn't Burger King,  This isn't have it your way.  :peace:

We choose to be fans of Guns N' Roses music, this does not put Axl Rose in debt to us in any way at all. 


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 03:49:27 PM
Alright, warchild. You really need to chill out.

People complain about axl, and you complain about the complainers. What makes you any different?
Why don't you just relax.
The CD will drop in due time and trust me:
people will complain before, during and after it comes out. That will never change.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?



OOHHHH Sharkey.......you don't know warchild very well....this IS chilled out.........I can go much more ballistically primative!!!(too many synapses gone wild)

I am suggesting the haters, the negative fucks, and people here just to rag the band go hopping down a rabbit trail and get their OWN website!!!!!

This, Thanx to Jarmo is a POSITIVE GNR forum..........mmmmkay?

Nobody OWES you any info except for what the band chooses to release information-wise....fact!
The Album delay WAS announced, maybe not to your liking, but hey...get over it!

sooooooo sharkey, you are in the minority here.......

ALBUM IS COMING...no doubts here......

repeat, that is your mantra....




Shaking my days loose
from the tangle in my head
mangled in the mainline frame
in my brains electrical spread    (w)


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 03:54:01 PM
This isn't McDonalds, this isn't Burger King,? This isn't have it your way.? :peace:

We choose to be fans of Guns N' Roses music, this does not put Axl Rose in debt to us in any way at all.?



JIM BOB..you fucking ROCK........KUDOS! :beer:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 04:08:41 PM
Nothing is more rebellious than lying to your fans to sell tickets to an unrelated tour. :P

I love GN'R and Axl, but the backlash is a direct result to THEIR actions. AC/DC has been supposedly making an album for many years now too, and the reason you don't see their fans bitching and moaning like we do is because Angus Young doesn't go on the radio every month and say "It's done. Should be a couple months" Then they don't name a tour after their new album and not deliver it.

We need hobbies? Probably. The album IS coming? Maybe, but you have no way of knowing and you've been saying it's coming so long that your opinon is worthless.

Axl may not owe me an album, but he owes me 135 dollars for getting me to buy tickets and shirts for a concert thinking the album would be out in 2006.

Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 04:15:09 PM

Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.


Warchild is warchild.? He is a man who is in his mid 40s.? I am dolphin his fiancee and I am a woman in my late 30s.? We are two different people.?
When are you going to realize that your little clique at unleashed and Madison at mygnr.com told you wrong information?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Jim Bob on March 08, 2007, 04:16:57 PM
Axl may not owe me an album, but he owes me 135 dollars for getting me to buy tickets and shirts for a concert thinking the album would be out in 2006.

what?  ???  thats absolutely ridiculous.   ::)

so you didn't get a concert for the money you paid for the ticket?  and the shirt?   

you need an album to see a good show?   since when?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 04:25:07 PM

Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.


Warchild is warchild.? He is a man who is in his mid 40s.? I am dolphin his fiancee and I am a woman in my late 30s.? We are two different people.?
When are you going to realize that your little clique at unleashed and Madison at mygnr.com told you wrong information?


The way you feel the need to state the fact that you're gettiing married and need to state your ages each time you claim to be different people is very suspicious. As is the fact that you hover over each and every one of his posts.

JB, you're right-- I got a great $50 show and two great $20 t-shirts. But the prices for both were that of a relevant band who put out albums, and I feel like I paid 60 bucks more than I should have.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 04:28:11 PM

Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.


Warchild is warchild.? He is a man who is in his mid 40s.? I am dolphin his fiancee and I am a woman in my late 30s.? We are two different people.?
When are you going to realize that your little clique at unleashed and Madison at mygnr.com told you wrong information?


The way you feel the need to state the fact that you're gettiing married and need to state your ages each time you claim to be different people is very suspicious. As is the fact that you hover over each and every one of his posts.

JB, you're right-- I got a great $50 show and two great $20 t-shirts. But the prices for both were that of a relevant band who put out albums, and I feel like I paid 60 bucks more than I should have.


Not suspicious.  Stating a fact.
If you honestly think that the info JL and Madison gave you about my identity and warchilds is indeed fact then you have been given wrong information by them.  Just letting you know that you have made a mistake and that is the truth.   


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: floppyfish27 on March 08, 2007, 04:32:48 PM


JB, you're right-- I got a great $50 show and two great $20 t-shirts. But the prices for both were that of a relevant band who put out albums, and I feel like I paid 60 bucks more than I should have.
Quote

So in other words, money wasted on your part?   
kind of like your time here then since nothing is yet released?  sorry to hear you've wasted part of your life here bud..
maybe you can find other things to kill time, possibly spending more time working to earn a little more dough, that way disposible income won't be such an issue for ya..

I know I spent my fair share on seeing them this year, may I say a fucking fantastic show by the way and knowing the history of the band, waiting for a release is not an option but a requirement to hear great fucking music


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 04:34:30 PM

Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.


Warchild is warchild.? He is a man who is in his mid 40s.? I am dolphin his fiancee and I am a woman in my late 30s.? We are two different people.?
When are you going to realize that your little clique at unleashed and Madison at mygnr.com told you wrong information?


The way you feel the need to state the fact that you're gettiing married and need to state your ages each time you claim to be different people is very suspicious. As is the fact that you hover over each and every one of his posts.

JB, you're right-- I got a great $50 show and two great $20 t-shirts. But the prices for both were that of a relevant band who put out albums, and I feel like I paid 60 bucks more than I should have.



Look Goofy, you got a kick-ass concert (i was at a lot of them) you got a tshirt....have you PRICED concert tix lately?????

you are a bitter,bitter person, with a negativity that overides your posts........in fact I AVOID negative people.......If you didn't like concert why didn't you leave???

you weren't chained in your seat........and if you are tired of waiting for album DON'T...real simple........

and hell NO you are not entitled to any info other than what is released by band, there is enough shit floating around the social cesspool as it is..........

don't need more circulating........

If you can't run with the big dogs.....stay on da porch ............


the winds that make us crazy are called sirocco
dance in the wind while you can
the storms will be along soon enough (c)



WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 04:39:50 PM
Axl may not owe me an album, but he owes me 135 dollars for getting me to buy tickets and shirts for a concert thinking the album would be out in 2006.

what?? ???? thats absolutely ridiculous.? ?::)

so you didn't get a concert for the money you paid for the ticket?? and the shirt?? ?

you need an album to see a good show?? ?since when?



he is bitter, negative and has NO idea who he pisseth off......but it is better to be pissed off than pissed on!!!!!


you ROCK Bro : ok:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 04:42:16 PM
I didn't say it was a bad show. I also never said that I was entitled to more information. Literacy is helpful in these forums, WC, I suggest you try to obtain some. You avoid me...fair enough, I tend to avoid your type too in real life anyways.

Am I bitter? Fuck that. You don't fucking know me.

WC jumps into a thread right after dolphin has been in it? Curious...


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 04:47:01 PM
 ::)  If you honestly think that I am warchild you need to stop.  Everyone on this forum knows that I am not him and he is not me.  Madison and JL gave you wrong information.  When are you going to understand that and admit that you made a mistake in judgement?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 04:51:08 PM
::)? If you honestly think that I am warchild you need to stop.? Everyone on this forum knows that I am not him and he is not me.? Madison and JL gave you wrong information.? When are you going to understand that and admit that you made a mistake in judgement?

Please stay on topic. I may make the off-hand remark of the same-ness of you and WC, but I have the common decency to also debate the thread and fufill its intentions.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 04:52:58 PM
::)? If you honestly think that I am warchild you need to stop.? Everyone on this forum knows that I am not him and he is not me.? Madison and JL gave you wrong information.? When are you going to understand that and admit that you made a mistake in judgement?

Please stay on topic. I may make the off-hand remark of the same-ness of you and WC, but I have the common decency to also debate the thread and fufill its intentions.

Read my prior posts and you will see I said already that Axl works with quality over quanity and I don't care how long CD takes to come out.

You added to your posts that I was warchild and I am not so you took it off topic way before I did.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 04:55:35 PM
CC and Lofton are still pissed off about UNLEASHED........yeah, I closed it down........sue me!

the gnr camp does NOT think highly of Mr. Lofton

CC your posts are full of bitterness..it ain't hard to see.........and yeah Dolphin is a VERY intimate friend :love:

but we ain't the same person............not even the same sex.....hmmmmm maybe she could get a penile implant so when I told her to fuck herself she actually could :hihi:

whoops, back on topic............


nobody FORCED you to go to the gig, nobody OWES you shit.........and I can assure you I am far from illiterate, golly I've even been known to read a book or two.......amazed?????

I am older than you, I am smarter than you, and nobody owes you a damn thing......got it??????


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 04:56:52 PM
::)? If you honestly think that I am warchild you need to stop.? Everyone on this forum knows that I am not him and he is not me.? Madison and JL gave you wrong information.? When are you going to understand that and admit that you made a mistake in judgement?

Please stay on topic. I may make the off-hand remark of the same-ness of you and WC, but I have the common decency to also debate the thread and fufill its intentions.

Read my prior posts and you will see I said already that Axl works with quality over quanity and I don't care how long CD takes to come out.

You added to your posts that I was warchild and I am not so you took it off topic way before I did.

So as long as I'm the one who starts a riot it's okay if you kill a cop in the struggle? ::)

Bottom line is, GN'R brought this negativity on themselves and it would serve them well to deal with it honestly, since lying has gotten them very little. As far as Axl working on quality over quantity, agreed, but I have my doubts about the "Axl works" statement considering he needed 3 days last year to finish CD and he couldn't do it.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 05:02:21 PM
the gnr camp does NOT think highly of Mr. Lofton

The GN'R camp doesn't exist past the 8 band members.

nobody FORCED you to go to the gig, nobody OWES you shit.........

This is true.

and I can assure you I am far from illiterate, golly I've even been known to read a book or two.......amazed?????

Not really, because I have read what you have written, and therefore have always known you to be literate. The fact that you dignified my mentioning of it with a response however, was successful in giving me a chuckle.

I am older than you, I am smarter than you,

WARCHILD

Older? Hell yes. Smarter? I have no way of knowing, and neither do you, but honestly, that's probably the most arrogant thing I'v ever read on HTGTH. It's disgusting and is the type of comment that will get your ass kicked if you say that to someone outside of your fantasy world.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 08, 2007, 05:03:08 PM
::)? If you honestly think that I am warchild you need to stop.? Everyone on this forum knows that I am not him and he is not me.? Madison and JL gave you wrong information.? When are you going to understand that and admit that you made a mistake in judgement?

Please stay on topic. I may make the off-hand remark of the same-ness of you and WC, but I have the common decency to also debate the thread and fufill its intentions.

Read my prior posts and you will see I said already that Axl works with quality over quanity and I don't care how long CD takes to come out.

You added to your posts that I was warchild and I am not so you took it off topic way before I did.

So as long as I'm the one who starts a riot it's okay if you kill a cop in the struggle? ::)

Bottom line is, GN'R brought this negativity on themselves and it would serve them well to deal with it honestly, since lying has gotten them very little. As far as Axl working on quality over quantity, agreed, but I have my doubts about the "Axl works" statement considering he needed 3 days last year to finish CD and he couldn't do it.

You honestly don't believe everything you read do you?

The truth is no one walks in Axl's shoes but Axl. ?No one has any idea what he goes thru on a daily basis and what he does or doesn't do.

Axl works CC. ?Just because he doesn't give us updates like other bands do doesn't mean he doesn't work.

Would you rather him be all over the press like Brittney?

I don't think Axl says a lot because everyone takes everything he says to heart and they don't allow for change. ?

It'd be like if you planned something and it fell thru. ?Wouldn't you just keep the replanning to yourself until you had all the kinks worked out?

Axl doesn't live in a bubble. ?He's just a guy like you are.



Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 05:06:06 PM
I don't think Axl is lazy or stupid, but he certainly is not the hardest working member of GN'R. But I will not by sympathetic to his fears because he brought it on himself. When did I ever say I wanted Axl to be like Britney? I don't want a media whore, but that doesn't mean he has to be a recluse whow aits until each little storm passes to pop out of his hole.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 05:28:52 PM
::)? If you honestly think that I am warchild you need to stop.? Everyone on this forum knows that I am not him and he is not me.? Madison and JL gave you wrong information.? When are you going to understand that and admit that you made a mistake in judgement?

Please stay on topic. I may make the off-hand remark of the same-ness of you and WC, but I have the common decency to also debate the thread and fufill its intentions.

Read my prior posts and you will see I said already that Axl works with quality over quanity and I don't care how long CD takes to come out.

You added to your posts that I was warchild and I am not so you took it off topic way before I did.

So as long as I'm the one who starts a riot it's okay if you kill a cop in the struggle? ::)

Bottom line is, GN'R brought this negativity on themselves and it would serve them well to deal with it honestly, since lying has gotten them very little. As far as Axl working on quality over quantity, agreed, but I have my doubts about the "Axl works" statement considering he needed 3 days last year to finish CD and he couldn't do it.

CC.......are you always this pleasant and cheery??? :drool:    It is so wonderfully UPLIFTING to meet someone who KNOWS the ins and outs of the GNR camp.......

gee, I bet you were actually there "those three days".........i am soooooooo impressed....... :hihi:


Look, inspiration is a fickle mistress, I myself have days when I can't pick up a fucking pen, or play my guitar.......it just ain't there......and nobody but another

artist would understand this.......work is possible, but it is sub-standard, not up to my standards.......I like perfection too, and refuse to settle for anything less, when

I KNOW I am capable of better......a Perfectionist is their own worst enemy, add into the mixture a diagnosis of Bipolar1, and a constant shitstorm of problems of

every imaginable type...(I am sure Murphy's law is prevalent in the GNR camp to a greater degree..whatever CAN go wrong WILL, and at the worst possible moment)

CC if you were not so selfish you might take some of this into account and not just YOUR immediate wants and desires............

hey I have an Idea, why don't YOU go start the anti-gnr site.........you seem like the perfect person for this!!!! then you can hop on the sludge train and believe every piece of shit that anybody dreams up, you can encourage the naysayers, promote the armchair managers, encourage the dire predictions and run GNR

down as much as your little black heart desires.............

but THIS IS NOT A SITE FOR DOING THAT!!!

do we understand each other now?


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 05:33:38 PM
I don't think Axl is lazy or stupid, but he certainly is not the hardest working member of GN'R. But I will not by sympathetic to his fears because he brought it on himself. When did I ever say I wanted Axl to be like Britney? I don't want a media whore, but that doesn't mean he has to be a recluse whow aits until each little storm passes to pop out of his hole.

And Again.....you have NO way of knowing this........events affect different people in different ways..........Bipolar people have a different view of the world and sometimes have a very hard time just coping..........

who are YOU to judge?????

the Album WILL be out.........and you will probably find 1000000 things wrong with it through your eyes.........I ca honestly say I am glad I ain't YOU!

WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 05:52:08 PM
the gnr camp does NOT think highly of Mr. Lofton

The GN'R camp doesn't exist past the 8 band members.

nobody FORCED you to go to the gig, nobody OWES you shit.........

This is true.

and I can assure you I am far from illiterate, golly I've even been known to read a book or two.......amazed?????

Not really, because I have read what you have written, and therefore have always known you to be literate. The fact that you dignified my mentioning of it with a response however, was successful in giving me a chuckle.

I am older than you, I am smarter than you,

WARCHILD

Older? Hell yes. Smarter? I have no way of knowing, and neither do you, but honestly, that's probably the most arrogant thing I'v ever read on HTGTH. It's disgusting and is the type of comment that will get your ass kicked if you say that to someone outside of your fantasy world.


yes I can be an arrogant asshole to the max.......but an ass-kicking from a cyber-bully is laughable.........

not to mention ridiculous.......

How does it feel to make an ass out of yourself on this forum as well????


The Album WILL BE OUT..........

now, run away and start your anti-everything site...............maybe someday you will believe in SOMETHING......



Feeding on fire, exhaling smoke
Cynicisim laughing like a bad joke;
Chaos in the corners...disaster in the halls
shadows of cracked memories embedded in my walls
Fareheited temper igniting in my brain
inside reaching forward for that train
where's the guiding hand, show me a fucking map
one to many straws, the camels back will snap
clutterd and cliche'd,what would jesus do....
I might die for me,but i wouldn't die for you
                                                                     (w)


WARCHILD


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Fakesmile on March 08, 2007, 06:01:05 PM
It's about fuckin' time someone tells it like it is.

 : ok:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Bruno Poeys on March 08, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
Nothing is more rebellious than lying to your fans to sell tickets to an unrelated tour. :P
Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.
Axl did not lie, merck did. If you can't read or comprehend Axl's letter you should not talk about smart people or about IQ.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Mr. Redman on March 08, 2007, 06:03:04 PM
Like I've said - WC knows what he's talkin' about. n' he's telling you how it is, the best way he does. But some people are too idiotic to realize and notice that he hits the nail right on the motherfucking head.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
Nothing is more rebellious than lying to your fans to sell tickets to an unrelated tour. :P
Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.
Axl did not lie, merck did. If you can't read or comprehend Axl's letter you should not talk about smart people or about IQ.

Merck lied? Merck wrote Axl's letter for him, the only knew part was the part where Merck was fired. Anyone who can't see that is..well, lesser. WC I am a GN'R fan. To attack my liking of the band just shows that you can't debate me. It's obvious I like the band, that's why I came here, but I didn't stay for silence. And I'm not leaving, because I still love the band, and enjoy reading intelligent remarks.

Almost Famous- You ever notice how everything WC predicted last year was WRONG? The album didn't come out, GN'R didn't shit on anyone except some fans in Maine and California. His undying optimism and constant comments of "you don't know what happens in GN'R" (reads: "You don't KNOW what happens
IN gn'r) are just deep denial. He speaks as if he knows anyone in the GN'R camp. He doesn't. He knows as much or as little as any poster here, but occasionally wins fans because being an arrogant ass is popular these days. Just watch cable news and it becomes obvious why some people are devoted to her.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Mr. Redman on March 08, 2007, 06:42:01 PM
Nothing is more rebellious than lying to your fans to sell tickets to an unrelated tour. :P
Warchild, you're wrong as you almost always are, but that's okay, because there isn't an IQ test (and apparently not an identity one either) to be a member here.
Axl did not lie, merck did. If you can't read or comprehend Axl's letter you should not talk about smart people or about IQ.

Merck lied? Merck wrote Axl's letter for him, the only knew part was the part where Merck was fired. Anyone who can't see that is..well, lesser. WC I am a GN'R fan. To attack my liking of the band just shows that you can't debate me. It's obvious I like the band, that's why I came here, but I didn't stay for silence. And I'm not leaving, because I still love the band, and enjoy reading intelligent remarks.

Almost Famous- You ever notice how everything WC predicted last year was WRONG? The album didn't come out, GN'R didn't shit on anyone except some fans in Maine and California. His undying optimism and constant comments of "you don't know what happens in GN'R" (reads: "You don't KNOW what happens
IN gn'r) are just deep denial. He speaks as if he knows anyone in the GN'R camp. He doesn't. He knows as much or as little as any poster here, but occasionally wins fans because being an arrogant ass is popular these days. Just watch cable news and it becomes obvious why some people are devoted to her.

Actually, you don't know who WC knows n' doesn't know. All I can say, is you'd be suprised to who he knows.

AWA. Kudos WC. Succeded once again!


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Bruno Poeys on March 08, 2007, 06:45:57 PM
Merck lied? Merck wrote Axl's letter for him, the only knew part was the part where Merck was fired. Anyone who can't see that is..well, lesser. WC I am a GN'R fan. To attack my liking of the band just shows that you can't debate me. It's obvious I like the band, that's why I came here, but I didn't stay for silence. And I'm not leaving, because I still love the band, and enjoy reading intelligent remarks.
read Axl's letter again. Read that part where Axl says that Merck lied about Chinese Democracy being out till the end of the year. Do you remember that merck even said that he lied to Rolling Stones about the "release date"? He's the one who lied. ;)


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Mr. Redman on March 08, 2007, 06:48:08 PM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:

Ya don't know WC like I do - and I don't know WC like his woman does.

You don't know who he knows, who he is, what he lives for, what's happend to him, you don't know who the fuck he is.



Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:

Ya don't know WC like I do - and I don't know WC like his woman does.

You don't know who he knows, who he is, what he lives for, what's happend to him, you don't know who the fuck he is.



I've read his posts and they (at least the ones from mid-06 through winter) were wrong. I never claimed to know him, and in fact the personal barrier had already been opened up when dolphin talked about her marital status in a GN'R thread (wtf?) and WC said he was smarter than me. You could've replaced WC with CC and said it to WC and the last line at least would've been right.

All I asked was why you applauded him, what he had done to deserve such praise. Since you did not answer that question, I will assume he has accomplished nothing.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 07:40:01 PM
Tsk Tsk, Still upset about being BOOTED off unleashed.............Surprised because I have FRIENDS here???? You might too if you would pull your head out of your rectum..........

I honestly don't know why you have a personal vendetta against me.........jealousy?

Well pal, you are not converting many to your faith of bitterness......so sad too bad!!!!!!!

What is your personal problem? How Old are you, you complained because you WENT to a GNR gig, got a tshirt and saw a kick ass show.....pal plenty

of these people would change places with you and are much more loyal fans!!!! or so it appears...........and yeah, I have a Girlfriend.....red blooded american male here....nothing unatural about that............


These are the facts...... You paid your money, you got a great show (and a tshirt, don't want it? send it to somebody that didn't get to go!!!!!PM this guy
maybe he will give you the shirt, since he doesn't sound much like a fan!!!

You are NOT due a refund because there is "no album out yet" still don't get that logic!

You are NOT entitled to ANy info other than the band wishes to release........they do not "owe you" so however that sticks in your craw......stick it!

You are being a royal pain.....names don't bother me..been called worse by better!!!

and yes, I am an Intolerable asshole at times, at least I admit it!.....(hint hint)


so Get a Clue Inspector Gadget.......the world does NOT revolve around your wants an, and sometimesd desires....and the Album will be out when it comes out!!!!!!

sometimes good things are worth waiting for, sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men fall through due to unforseeable circumstances........

In short......shit happens! The world is an imperfect place.......screws fall out, shit  and equipment fuck up, people have "off days"..........


you simply cannot have it YOUR WAY all the time.......and it is insane to think otherwise..............


THE ALBUM WILL COME OUT..........guaranfuckintee ya.......

So Chillax, wait for it...or don't..........why are you really fucking even here????????


WARCHILD



Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Mr. Redman on March 08, 2007, 07:42:14 PM
WC - glad your ass is back!! We needed someone here with common sence n' a head on their sholders.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Warchild on March 08, 2007, 07:47:15 PM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:

Ya don't know WC like I do - and I don't know WC like his woman does.

You don't know who he knows, who he is, what he lives for, what's happend to him, you don't know who the fuck he is.




I think somebody took a leak in CC's cornflaks this morning........why does he hate me??? fuck!

I am such a sweet lovable guy..........and the ALBUM WILL HAPPEN! regardless of this carbuncle

GUNS & FUCKING ROSES.......BELIEVE IT!


WARCHILD

Kudos Bro :smoking:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 08, 2007, 08:35:08 PM
I don't "hate" anyone here, internet hate is crazy. But you annoy me because you insult people constantly, mainly those who aren't here to defend themselves, and I think that's crap.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Axlfreek on March 08, 2007, 08:40:38 PM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:






I think somebody took a leak in CC's cornflaks this morning


WARCHILD

Kudos Bro :smoking:

im eating a bowl of cornflakes right now  :hihi:


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: 2112 on March 09, 2007, 10:48:25 AM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:






I think somebody took a leak in CC's cornflaks this morning


WARCHILD

Kudos Bro :smoking:

im eating a bowl of cornflakes right now  :hihi:

Do you enjoy it?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Axlfreek on March 09, 2007, 10:49:43 AM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:






I think somebody took a leak in CC's cornflaks this morning


WARCHILD

Kudos Bro :smoking:

im eating a bowl of cornflakes right now? :hihi:

Do you enjoy it?

its alright, it could have used a little bit more sugar but it was everything i'd hoped it would be.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: 2112 on March 09, 2007, 10:59:55 AM
What did he succed in again? People talk about him like he's been right before. :rofl:






I think somebody took a leak in CC's cornflaks this morning


WARCHILD

Kudos Bro :smoking:

im eating a bowl of cornflakes right now  :hihi:

Do you enjoy it?

its alright, it could have used a little bit more sugar but it was everything i'd hoped it would be.
Do you put any kind of fruit in it at any time?


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Elrothiel on March 09, 2007, 11:01:08 AM
I agree with the original post and I've often thought it myself!

Course it'll come out, and yes it will be fucking awesome and anyone who doesn't think that should back the fuck off and go listen to some N'Sync because that's all they're worth.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: November_Rain on March 09, 2007, 05:26:13 PM
Excellent post WC, as usual.You hit the nail but as usual too people focus on you instead of your post. 
Gee people, give him  a break,the dude?s just a very passionate and loyal GNR fan and he?s optimistic and supporting,what?s wrong with that?!!!

And why are some of you with the same bullshit of WC and Dolphin being the same person AGAIN? ::) Jesus fucking christ!!
They are two different persons. I told you in another post,they are not the same person, they are my friends and unless I?m fucking blind I swear they were two different persons the last time I saw them in January.  So please, stop the shitty comments about them >:(.



Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 09, 2007, 10:18:21 PM
And why are some of you with the same bullshit of WC and Dolphin being the same person AGAIN? ::) Jesus fucking christ!!
They are two different persons. I told you in another post,they are not the same person,

So, we believe you, because...you said so? Pretty fucking weak, if you ask me.

The idea of this thread is to make many long time members here look like they are not real fans, and that the eternal optimists are somehow better than those of us who think and feel. The attacks on him come when people talk about how great he is.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 10, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
And why are some of you with the same bullshit of WC and Dolphin being the same person AGAIN? ::) Jesus fucking christ!!
They are two different persons. I told you in another post,they are not the same person,

So, we believe you, because...you said so? Pretty fucking weak, if you ask me.

The idea of this thread is to make many long time members here look like they are not real fans, and that the eternal optimists are somehow better than those of us who think and feel. The attacks on him come when people talk about how great he is.


Reread November_Rain's post.
Excellent post WC, as usual.You hit the nail but as usual too people focus on you instead of your post.
Gee people, give him a break,the dude?s just a very passionate and loyal GNR fan and he?s optimistic and supporting,what?s wrong with that?!!!

And why are some of you with the same bullshit of WC and Dolphin being the same person AGAIN? ::) Jesus fucking christ!!
They are two different persons. I told you in another post,they are not the same person, they are my friends and unless I?m fucking blind I swear they were two different persons the last time I saw them in January. So please, stop the shitty comments about them >:(.




Please give up your argument Communist China.  Warchild is not me.  Others on here finally see that and understand that.  You were misinformed by whatever Jameslofton and Madison told you. 


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 10, 2007, 10:51:14 AM
So again...I believe her because she said so? Since you used that to back up your denial, I'm upgrading to really fucking weak. I don't know NR, I don't know you, so why would NR's word be enough for me? People do lie on the internet, after all.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 10, 2007, 11:05:35 AM
So again...I believe her because she said so? Since you used that to back up your denial, I'm upgrading to really fucking weak. I don't know NR, I don't know you, so why would NR's word be enough for me? People do lie on the internet, after all.


You are right.? The people who lied to you on the internet were Jameslofton and Madison.
I am telling the truth here.? AOL duplicates ip addresses.? That is why Jameslofton thought that warchild and I were the same person and we are not.? Jameslofton even knows that AOL duplicates ip addresses because once he pmd me and thought that warchild had registered on unleashed with a different screen name and then Jameslofton? discovered he was wrong and told me that AOL duplicates ip addresses.





Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: Communist China on March 10, 2007, 11:18:33 AM
The peculiar part of it is not ips, but the fact that ur always reading and waiting to clean up the mess WC leaves just a few minutes after he posts.


Title: Re: The Nonconformists Creed.....this is GNR, not McDonalds........
Post by: dolphin on March 10, 2007, 11:26:51 AM
The peculiar part of it is not ips, but the fact that ur always reading and waiting to clean up the mess WC leaves just a few minutes after he posts.

I am trying to let you know that he is not me.