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Title: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Mr. Mini Mite on January 09, 2007, 02:31:26 PM
The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week?s ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers.

1. (1) Elton John; $1,863,561; $111.15.
2. (2) Cirque Du Soleil - ?Delirium?; $1,295,028; $83.58.
3. (3) Eric Clapton; $1,135,060; $86.04.
4. (5) Red Hot Chili Peppers; $1,001,233; $58.04.
5. (6) Aerosmith / Motley Crue; $950,972; $63.59.
6. (7) Mariah Carey; $896,982; $77.61.
7. (8.) Dixie Chicks; $824,014; $65.77.
8. (9) Tool; $686,402; $50.60.
9. (10) Rascal Flatts; $681,413; $50.45.
10. (12) Guns N? Roses; $500,380; $59.42.
11. (11) American Idols Live; $497,944; $56.98.
12. (13) Sheryl Crow / John Mayer; $494,264; $43.28.
13. (16) Juan Gabriel; $453,085; $82.48.
14. (15) Def Leppard / Journey; $450,230; $51.48.
15. (17) Bob Dylan; $435,687; $57.15.
16. (New) Blue Man Group; $304,930; $51.36.
17. (New) Trans-Siberian Orchestra; $302,828; $38.28
18. (18) The Cheetah Girls; $301,674; $35.64.
19. (19) Paul Simon; $295,938; $73.78.
20. (New) Brad Paisley; $294,738; $44.00.

Source: Pollstar.com


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Loaded NightraiN on January 09, 2007, 02:36:32 PM
Wow no album, no promo, even after the 02 disaster that rocks!!  : ok:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: BangoSkank on January 09, 2007, 02:47:17 PM
The blue man group? where the fuck did they come from, i thought they died. ?Also i will be able to rest easy that GNR beat the American Idols muahahaha


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Crowebar on January 09, 2007, 02:54:21 PM
59 Million dollars is a pretty sweet payday for Axl if you ask me. :o :yes: : ok: :beer:

Regardless what his operating expenditures are. :smoking:

I'd say that gives him more than enough deniro to finish the album and also pay for several kickass videos!!! ;D

Right on Axl!!! :beer: Good for you man!!! : ok:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: AdZ on January 09, 2007, 02:59:31 PM
59 Million dollars is a pretty sweet payday for Axl if you ask me. :o :yes: : ok: :beer:

I'm guessing the $59 is the average ticket price.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: SterileEyes on January 09, 2007, 03:11:32 PM
59 Million dollars is a pretty sweet payday for Axl if you ask me. :o :yes: : ok: :beer:

I'm guessing the $59 is the average ticket price.

It is...almost every city was $75 for good seats and $35 for 'not good' seats


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Edrose on January 09, 2007, 03:20:22 PM
59 Million dollars is a pretty sweet payday for Axl if you ask me. :o :yes: : ok: :beer:

well thats a big fuck off to all those going on about the "album that cost $15m"
 :beer:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: estrangedpaul on January 09, 2007, 03:44:11 PM
59 Million dollars is a pretty sweet payday for Axl if you ask me. :o :yes: : ok: :beer:

well thats a big fuck off to all those going on about the "album that cost $15m"
 :beer:

It's incorrect though - it doesn't say anything about 59 million. Not including warmup shows they played about 32 North American concerts so that's about 16 million which is good going because that doesn't include the european tour. Bear in mind 16m is obviously a gross figure and doesn't take into account the cost of running the shows. : ok:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: LunsJail on January 09, 2007, 04:27:05 PM
Extremely impressive if you ask me.....so much for "nobody cares about this new GNR"


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Chief on January 09, 2007, 04:46:33 PM
wow that is pretty damn good!!  I am impressed!!


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: KIKO2K6 on January 09, 2007, 04:51:48 PM
Wow no album, no promo, even after the 02 disaster that rocks!!? : ok:

Well said. : ok:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: BangoSkank on January 09, 2007, 05:10:43 PM
59 Million dollars is a pretty sweet payday for Axl if you ask me. :o :yes: : ok: :beer:

well thats a big fuck off to all those going on about the "album that cost $15m"
 :beer:

It's incorrect though - it doesn't say anything about 59 million. Not including warmup shows they played about 32 North American concerts so that's about 16 million which is good going because that doesn't include the european tour. Bear in mind 16m is obviously a gross figure and doesn't take into account the cost of running the shows. : ok:


yeah where the hell did all this $59 million bullshit come from.  the 59 is in the average ticket sales column.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on January 09, 2007, 05:31:19 PM
nice :yes:  :smoking:

Axl, if you reed this, please come to Omaha, NE. Thanks : ok: or somwhere near by thanks.


CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS......................eventually :beer:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: mega_music on January 09, 2007, 06:37:10 PM
Very good to know the tour made it to the top 10. I say that is a success. Just think what this band could do when the spot light is on them. 2007 should be a very successful year!


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Refused on January 09, 2007, 06:43:58 PM
Average box office gross (that's BEFORE deductions/expenditure etc) per city:
$500,380
Average ticket price:
$59.42.


Just to clear that up for you all!


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Demon Wolf on January 09, 2007, 06:54:35 PM
But even so... They played over 70 shows this year, no? Dunno the European prices... But I think they all can afford their rent by now.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Falcon on January 09, 2007, 06:56:02 PM
That's an average of around 8400 people at each show..


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: King Axl on January 09, 2007, 07:20:33 PM
What's remarkable, and somewhat disappointing, is that GN'R's tour finished 10th despite the cancellations and very few shows selling out. Could have been top 5 otherwise.



Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: bazgnr on January 09, 2007, 07:27:09 PM
That's fantastic news...imagine what the tours will be like once CD is released.

And is it me, or is that a period in the thread title instead of a comma?? I originally looked into the thread because I thought it was $500 gross per show...? ? ?:o


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: chineseblues on January 09, 2007, 07:27:23 PM
That's an average of around 8400 people at each show..

And with no new album or single out during the tour and little promotion, I think that is still pretty damn good. Imagine what they can do once the album comes out and the major promotion kicks in!


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: madagas on January 09, 2007, 07:32:53 PM
I believe they averaged 8600 on the 16 US dates in 2002- :-\ The shows were clearly better in 06 (better reviews and performance) but the numbers are about the same.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: LittleFly on January 09, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
That's fantastic news...imagine what the tours will be like once CD is released.

And is it me, or is that a period in the thread title instead of a comma?? I originally looked into the thread because I thought it was $500 gross per show...? ? ?:o

More American vs. the rest of the world problems :hihi: ?In Europe, they use a . between thousands and , between dollars and cents. ?Americans are of course backwards :hihi:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Neemo on January 09, 2007, 07:54:32 PM
actually it says shows in north america...GnR played 38 shows in north america (not including the rosario dawson Bday PArty)

in a similar story, GnR didnt make the top 25 for 2006 tours

Quote
Top 10 concert tours of 2006

Rolling Stones: $138.5
Barbra Streisand: $92.5       
Tim McGraw/Faith Hill:  $88.8       
Madonna: $85.9       
Cirque Du Soleil - ?Delirium?: $82.1       
Celine Dion: $78.1       
Kenny Chesney: $66.0       
Bon Jovi: $59.7       
Dave Matthews Band: $51.3       
Elton John: $48.9       

Source: Pollstar. All figures in millions of dollars.

and 38 shows @ $500,380 per show puts them @ about $19M which is nowhere close to the top 10


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: polluxlm on January 09, 2007, 08:05:57 PM
actually it says shows in north america...GnR played 38 shows in north america (not including the rosario dawson Bday PArty)

in a similar story, GnR didnt make the top 25 for 2006 tours

Quote
Top 10 concert tours of 2006

Rolling Stones: $138.5
Barbra Streisand: $92.5? ? ? ?
Tim McGraw/Faith Hill:? $88.8? ? ? ?
Madonna: $85.9? ? ? ?
Cirque Du Soleil - ?Delirium?: $82.1? ? ? ?
Celine Dion: $78.1? ? ? ?
Kenny Chesney: $66.0? ? ? ?
Bon Jovi: $59.7? ? ? ?
Dave Matthews Band: $51.3? ? ? ?
Elton John: $48.9? ? ? ?

Source: Pollstar. All figures in millions of dollars.

and 38 shows @ $500,380 per show puts them @ about $19M which is nowhere close to the top 10

GN'R played over 70 shows last year, and I'm assuming the more popular European tour, who also had all the festivals, generated more per night than in NA. With a rough minimum GN'R then generated 40$ million in revenue in 2006. How much of that is left I leave to someone else to answer. But it's a pretty good figure, considering.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Neemo on January 09, 2007, 08:17:40 PM
those top 10 tours are also northamerican figures...sorry i shoulda put that as well


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: HBK on January 09, 2007, 08:51:54 PM
GNR Move a finger and break records

HBK *

 :beer:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: -Jack- on January 09, 2007, 09:37:14 PM
GNR Move a finger and break records

HBK *

 :beer:

This, while a funny statement, is a great point.

GN'R hardly did anything for this tour and did surprisingly well.

When the time comes they will do amazing.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: The Dog on January 09, 2007, 11:25:08 PM
Whats really insane is looking at that list and the avg. ticket price for all the shows.

So fucking expensive!!!   :-\

over $100 for Elton John!  Does he do your dishes after the show?



Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Eazy E on January 10, 2007, 12:23:06 AM
Whats really insane is looking at that list and the avg. ticket price for all the shows.

So fucking expensive!!! :-\

over $100 for Elton John! Does he do your dishes after the show?

Well, it's a concert in an arena...  Compare it to the prices of hockey and basketball tickets at the same arena and it's not that ridiculous.  It will obviously be more than a 1,000-2,000 seat club show, and I don't find the $30-$50 prices for those to be too out of control.  Throw in the fact that Elton John is a big time musician and that price seems about right.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: bigbri on January 10, 2007, 12:42:56 AM
Whats really insane is looking at that list and the avg. ticket price for all the shows.

So fucking expensive!!!? ?:-\

over $100 for Elton John!? Does he do your dishes after the show?



Yeah, ticket prices are way outta control. GNR's is about average. I remember going to concerts in the early 90s for $20-$25. Can't do that now, unless it's Buckethead at a club for $15.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: The Legend on January 10, 2007, 04:11:23 AM
That's an average of around 8400 people at each show..

And with no new album or single out during the tour and little promotion, I think that is still pretty damn good. Imagine what they can do once the album comes out and the major promotion kicks in!

Exactly.

But the 'Tool' thing kind of hurt...  :-\


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: madagas on January 10, 2007, 07:21:45 AM
If you are talking about Tool the band, they were promoting a new album with their original lineup. ::) ::)


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: gandra on January 10, 2007, 10:54:05 AM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: BLS-Pride on January 10, 2007, 12:31:20 PM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good

Not in America. There is no way they played to 10K per night.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: gandra on January 10, 2007, 12:36:00 PM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good

Not in America. There is no way they played to 10K per night.
man,don't be so stupid...
it is annuall

if gnr annual grosses for show is about 500k and annual price about 50$ than just use mat

i do that in forth grade(11 years)

did you miss school


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Neemo on January 10, 2007, 01:42:15 PM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good

Not in America. There is no way they played to 10K per night.
man,don't be so stupid...
it is annuall

if gnr annual grosses for show is about 500k and annual price about 50$ than just use mat

i do that in forth grade(11 years)

did you miss school

what? maybe i didnt go to school but i cant follow that post at all :hihi:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: chineseblues on January 10, 2007, 01:48:18 PM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good

Not in America. There is no way they played to 10K per night.
man,don't be so stupid...
it is annuall

if gnr annual grosses for show is about 500k and annual price about 50$ than just use mat

i do that in forth grade(11 years)

did you miss school

what? maybe i didnt go to school but i cant follow that post at all :hihi:

I think he meant average instead of annual...


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: comatose on January 10, 2007, 02:27:41 PM
To say they averaged 10000 out of those numbers is pretty stupid.
Do the very simple math and you?ll see they averaged 'bout 8400


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Crowebar on January 10, 2007, 03:05:16 PM

So fucking expensive!!!   :-\

over $100 for Elton John!  Does he do your dishes after the show?


No, Elton John doesn't do your dishes for you. :no:

I'm sure he could be persuaded to do something else for you though. :hihi: :rofl: :confused:


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: ftheup on January 10, 2007, 03:38:20 PM
I couldn't find the original post on poolstar, but I believe this is a week to week poll.  The poll at the top of the thread is not the entire year.  It also mentions something about the previous weeks spot(12).  Otherwise this would read that they were 12th in 2005.  I would like to see the complete original poll with it's release date.  The Elton John shows are probably just the Las Vegas shows.  I have seen this poll many times and unforutnately, it is usually dominated by Celine Dion with her Las Vegas shows at over $250 per ticket.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: wolftread on January 10, 2007, 03:41:02 PM
where's Pearl Jam on this list..they were selling out everywhere for multiple dates...killer shows too!!


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: The Legend on January 10, 2007, 04:52:10 PM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good

Not in America. There is no way they played to 10K per night.

Several shows they did play 10k+, and in several of the bigger markets they sold out (Warfield, MSG).

But keep in mind, heavy-interest in music just isn't America anymore. Whereas my generation, it was all about the latest record, this generation it seems to be all about the new video game.

There's interest, but just not what it used to be, because socially things have changed. They can still play to stadiums in Europe & South America.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: BangoSkank on January 10, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
it is usually dominated by Celine Dion with her Las Vegas shows at over $250 per ticket.

::shoots self:: Good God how is that possible? Even fans of hers must go insane because she ahsn't had an album in years or a single... so for $250 what the hell does she sing?  That's the only thing worse than what the stones were charging.

Anyway i have to agree that the market has changed, not much stadium going on, the last i can think of was Bruce Springsteen in 03 at Giant's Stadium and Shea.  The market has gone down and now people play clubs and arenas, which is WAY better, much more intimate and enjoyable.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: BLS-Pride on January 10, 2007, 07:08:36 PM
this mean almost 10000 people per show

this is very good

Not in America. There is no way they played to 10K per night.

Several shows they did play 10k+, and in several of the bigger markets they sold out (Warfield, MSG).

But keep in mind, heavy-interest in music just isn't America anymore. Whereas my generation, it was all about the latest record, this generation it seems to be all about the new video game.

There's interest, but just not what it used to be, because socially things have changed. They can still play to stadiums in Europe & South America.

Oh yeah Im not doubting their international appeal. But America is a tough market for them to break again. They could still do it with a album and some promotion and maybe a known band on the same bill.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: Loaded NightraiN on January 10, 2007, 08:54:12 PM
Remember shows like LA, Vegas and San Fran will bring down the average, even if they sell out... If i'm not mistaken wasnt Vermont a smaller venue?? So 8000 is a little misleading to anyone thinking all they've played was 20k seaters...


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: DunkinDave on January 10, 2007, 09:01:09 PM
The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week?s ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers.

1. (1) Elton John; $1,863,561; $111.15.
2. (2) Cirque Du Soleil - ?Delirium?; $1,295,028; $83.58.
3. (3) Eric Clapton; $1,135,060; $86.04.
4. (5) Red Hot Chili Peppers; $1,001,233; $58.04.
5. (6) Aerosmith / Motley Crue; $950,972; $63.59.
6. (7) Mariah Carey; $896,982; $77.61.
7. (8.) Dixie Chicks; $824,014; $65.77.
8. (9) Tool; $686,402; $50.60.
9. (10) Rascal Flatts; $681,413; $50.45.
10. (12) Guns N? Roses; $500,380; $59.42.
11. (11) American Idols Live; $497,944; $56.98.
12. (13) Sheryl Crow / John Mayer; $494,264; $43.28.
13. (16) Juan Gabriel; $453,085; $82.48.
14. (15) Def Leppard / Journey; $450,230; $51.48.
15. (17) Bob Dylan; $435,687; $57.15.
16. (New) Blue Man Group; $304,930; $51.36.
17. (New) Trans-Siberian Orchestra; $302,828; $38.28
18. (18) The Cheetah Girls; $301,674; $35.64.
19. (19) Paul Simon; $295,938; $73.78.
20. (New) Brad Paisley; $294,738; $44.00.

Source: Pollstar.com

I can't find this anywhere on pollstar.com.


Title: Re: Guns N' Roses: $ 500.000 gross per show, make #10 in last year Top 20!
Post by: axlssis on January 10, 2007, 10:28:45 PM



::shoots self:: Good God how is that possible? Even fans of hers must go insane because she ahsn't had an album in years or a single... so for $250 what the hell does she sing?  That's the only thing worse than what the stones were charging.

Anyway i have to agree that the market has changed, not much stadium going on, the last i can think of was Bruce Springsteen in 03 at Giant's Stadium and Shea.  The market has gone down and now people play clubs and arenas, which is WAY better, much more intimate and enjoyable.

hey bucket!!  how are ya?  at least now i know you aren't dead!

it's amazing someone can charge that for a ticket and do the same old tired songs.  maybe she adds covers of classics or something.  but it's a vegas show too, and that adds to the ticket price.

i agree smaller venues are better.  i went to msg and hammerstein last year.....and even though the band, axl, the entire show performance wise was better at msg, to me, hammerstein was a better show because it was small, we were up close, and just the atmosphere.  it seemed to be like 90% hardcore fans, where as msg had more casual fans.  i personally don't like stadium shows.  they are too big and you can't see.