Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Very interesting.

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/#

Click on the link that reads, "Big Show Highlight." It's a few clips of his interview with O'Reilly. I love when they go at it.

I think O reilly made a lot of sense last night.

He agreed that Iraq was a mistake and a mess but if we leave now and Iran takes over Iraq, That makes Iran 10 times more dangerous.

Letterman clearly doesnt know a whole lot about stuff like this.

I agree, Letterman would get backed into a corner and just make a lame joke, but I applaud him for calling O'reilley out on him just spewing a lot of crap.  I don't know about Iran taking over Iraq if/when we leave.  I don't see us leaving until the Iraqi people can defend themself.  If an invasion by Iran occurs the rest of the world will have a say in it, not just the US.  If anything that'd be a fantastic excuse for the US to go to war with Iran.  I don't see it happening to be honest.  If anything its just more fear mongering if you ask me.

This was the best (Reminds me of most of the right on this board actually.)

Letterman: Let me ask you a question ? was there more heinous, more dangerous violence taking place before in Iraq, or is there more heinous, dangerous violence taking place now in Iraq?

O'Reilly: Oh, stop it. Saddam Hussein slaughtered 300,000 to 400,000 people, all right, so knock it off? It isn't so black and white, Dave ? it isn't, 'We're a bad country. Bush is an evil liar.' That's not true.

Letterman: I didn't say he was an evil liar. You're putting words in my mouth, just the way you put artificial facts in your head!

The break up of Iraq is probably going to happen no matter how long we stay. More than likely Iran will be one of those countries that take control.

Yeah I agree he did try to put words in Dave's mouth.


O'Reilly tries to make people be one way or the other but its not like that.


O'Reilly thinks U either have to be for the US winning or u dont love your country and that is wrong.


U should've watched O'Reilly on Oprah, they had some pretty good discussions with the audience.



I think what O'Reilly tries to get across is that Bush isnt evil, that yeah Bush messed up and made tons of mistakes but he didnt do it for oil or for money or just for his own ego.


I dont know if I agree with that or not but t hats what he tries to get across I think.

I like how he says, "We need to stay and start a democracy there..."

As if they won't survive unless they accept the American political ideals.

I say: pull out. It's up to them now. Staying there and trying to enforce another political system is wrong.

If terrorists take over, and Iraq becomes a bigger mess than it is now, well...  :-\

I think giving up though sends the wrong message to terrorists and only fuels their cause.

Like that would give them a rally cry  "Hey we defeated the mighty United States"

That may give them the illusion that they can then do anything they want.

I think pulling out would be dangerous.

No matter how wrong or mislead we were we are now in this and have to try to win it in my opinion.

Even Bush is stepping away from "stay the course" these days. He is moving the goal posts in order to declare some sort of "victory".

It will never happen.

If we leave, civil war will rage on.

If we stay, more troops will die and civil war will rage on.

OR how about , pull out and if they want to fuck themselves up , let the rest of the world deal with it, at least our own boys and girls wouldn't be dying on a daily basis, if Iraq wants to implode let em.

See now thats my thinking, and I think that if that happened , and was to occur, the ball would be left for others, but that cant be. But what needs to be done , IMO and I'm not a political scientist, but if we pulled out, and had a good , no not good, a great body of truly knowledgeable and respected people( the real pioneering , forward thinking political scientist's who really have respect in the word community go and talk, yes talk. Maybe things could be averted instead if constant bloodshed. Thats just my thinking.

It's too bad Bush didn't show up his service in Vietnam......maybe this situation would be familar to him.

Didn't Clinton flee to Canada to avoid the draft?  ???

Not canada, he enrolled in college classes over seas.  Al Gore had a personal body guard and John kerry was there all of a month before he filed his own paperwork, superceding his own chain of command to get a purple star for a scratch to get sent home.  None of our latest candidates have served honorably.  All have been rich assholes that received special treatment.

I don't trust any politicians, liberal or conservative, black or white, orange or green.

I don't know, I def see your POV but it just doesn't make sense to stay, the insurgency isn't going to lose its will to fight.  The iraqi police/military HAS to assume control very very soon, its been 3 years already.  The US in Iraq is only creating MORE terrorists and violence.  When we leave they'll just start killing each other.  Better them then us if you ask me.

I look at this like a high stakes poker game, if you're in the hand and you know you've already lost, shouldn't you just fold instead of putting in more chips (lives) just to have them taken away from you when its time to show your hand? 

Can we PLEASE not start another Bush/Clinton thing......aren't you guys bored of that already?

Split Iraq into 3 seperate provinces.................

Iran is becoming one of the big winners in global politics. They are the de facto winners of the War in Iraq. They now know our military tactics, and our political weaknesses. They are the most dangerous enemy we have ever faced, and they have benefited immensely by the fucking idiot President obsessed with Iraq and blind to the threat posed by Iran. Their leaders are fanatical revolutionaries, who will stop at nothing to achieve those aims, medieval mother fuckers who would kill us all and not blink a tear.

Bush has made dealing with these realities impossible. He blew it. He attacked the wrong country, and now we look like a bunch of goose stepping Nazis. The result is that any attempt to actually defend ourselves from a real threat has been compromised.

don't you mean another iraq war thread??? that's what these threads turn into.

and then all the extreme left wingers call everyone fascists if they have even a small difference in opinion. and they cut and paste the same "thoughts" (aka liberal talking points) from their crazy left wing websites.

and they group everyone into a single category (i.e. "fascists") so they can throw insults at them and equate them with scum-bag politicians. cause obviously they need someone to direct all their anger at. anger that i'm sure is reflective of their own life, not politics.  :hihi:

but then we have to miss out on having these discussions cause the mods are then forced to lock the threads. which is unfortunate for everyone else...righties and lefties alike.

and just read all the posts - it's crystal clear who the guilty parties are. usually their posts bring zero value or original thought whatsoever. and are loaded with anger and insults.

Do you realize your post is nothing but more finger pointing and adds nothing to the conversation accept for trying to bait the very people you are accusing of stirring things up into responding to your post, which is basically stirring things up to begin with.  Let the mods worry about who the people are who aren't  contributing intelligent posts.  :peace:

hanna - Yes. i do realize that. that was the point.

and my thoughts were not directed at you, but let's be honest, your previous post was exactly the same thing.

Which post?

Unfortunately the rest of the world would just do nothing about it. Look the other way & pretend it is not a problem.

Look what is happening in Sudan.

We went from having a problem with Iraq, we ( USA)  along with some other countries got involved and we have a different problem now. We have to give the Iraqi Govt a fighting chance to handle things themselves in the future after we leave.

Saddam kept the different groups in line by killing 30,000 or so and that pretty much scared the shit out of them. Purely a crime against humanity, but nonetheless effective in controlling the country.

Sorry if I went off topic.

You really believe this?

Speaking of O'Reilly, did anyone see him on Oprah (I saw it on youtube - not an Oprah watcher ok!! haha).

I have to say he didn't completely piss me off.  SOME, def not all, of what he said did make me think for a minute or two.  But most of the time he just sounded SO out of touch with todays world/reality.

The main reason I dislike him is b/c if you differ with him, he'll just say, "oh your'e a Bush Hater, you're a Fox News hater, you're an O'Reilly hater..."  instead of actually listening to the other side.

Look for it on youtube, its in 4 parts, kinda long but if you have nothing to do, go for it.

btw, his new term, "SP" is such a pathetic attempt at creating the new "L word".  Really lame.

Sounds like about a half a dozen people here..............

No matter whether you like him or not, you have to give him credit for being willing to go on these shows when he knows this type of sniping is gonna take place.  He is preety fearless in that regard.  He's been on Letterman and The Daily Show and other liberal outlets and has taken a pretty good  verbal beating from them.  That's way way more than you can say for some (actually the list is long) of the liberals that won't face O'reilly on his home court.

That being said, I watched the show and Letterman looked like a fool.  Whenever O'Reilly made a point, Letterman went straight to the snappy one-liners like the one SLC mentioned on the previous page.

In all fairness John Stewart went out of his way to keep it cool with OR. He even asked his audience "not to be like that" (Not exact words) when they began to boo him.

Brave though? LOL, please. He tried to treat Letterman as if he was on his show, and Letterman was not having any of that. His pretend bully tactics were not going to work on his show.

has nothing to do with bravery - its all about selling books.  he joked around (but he was being serious) that he'd sell at least another 100,000 books just from being on her show.  hes a douche, but hes not a dummy - its all about the $$$, not him being brave.

Brave O'reilly who beats up on grieving war Moms. Yea, he is so brave...................

Read what I wrote about O'Reilly:

http://themovieaddict.com/rants/topten.html

"You give Republicans a bad name with your hypocritical ranting and raving, name-calling and political and economical ignorance."

I have to disagree, they have done a pretty good job of that all on their own.

Yup, everyone that disagrees with your point of view has a self-interested purpose for expousing that point of view.  O Reilly calls out the left; you guys hate that, and thus hate him.  I don't agree with everything he says, but the criticism of  him in this thread just confirms this.

Cindy Sheehan is dishonoring her son who chose to re-enlist and fight that war.  He openly chose to go back there.  Sheehan went on a crusade using her son as the base.  O'Reilly has every right to criticize that.  Sheehan wasn't a simple grieving mom as you would like people to believe.

HAHAHA Then you're not reading all of my posts (or you choose to only read the ones that back up what you're saying - which I'm not even sure what that is). Berkeley you are sooo funny.  You always end your posts with a "i'm not a republican but..." or "I don't agree with everything he/she says but...".   PICK A SIDE for god's sake.  You're centrist/moderate posturing is so transparent.  All anyone has to do is read a few of your posts and they know where you stand on the political spectrum.  I've agreed with some of you guys on the topics we've discussed here and disagreed with a lot of it too, but at least I SAY where I stand - none of this wishy washy, "well, hes ok sometimes, but...."   

I am not wishy washy at all.  I am a conservative independent.  Your post was a classic ad hominem.