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Assuming the album is released at some point while touring, how many new songs can the band be realistically expected to play? I know alot of people around here complain about the setlist and all, but out of a 20 song set I think getting 6 new songs is not too bad given that 90% of the audience is there to here the classics.

I mean if you look at their back catalog, there are about 10-12 songs they absolutely have to play every show to appease the average fan, so that really doesn't leave a whole lot of room to just play CD in its entirety.

I went to a Bon Jovi show last year and they deal with the same sort of thing in terms of weighing how much new stuff to play versus having a huge back catalog of old stuff fans want to hear. Aerosmith, The Stones and every other established act also face the same situation.

To get a 50/50 split like I think many on the board would like to see they would have to play for like 3.5 hours, and I just don't see that happening with all the down time and solos.

Question is is it more important for Axl to play a set-list that integrates some new ones and appeals to the general audience, or go real CD heavy with the setlist to appease  the hardcore fans but risk alienating the casual fan who was there for their little nostalgia trip?

I have always thought this band should do a bold move like John Fogerty did in the 80's and only play new material. Its not going to happen. GNR has went so long without doing anything, that a nostalgic trip is required at each show.

In my opinion, we arent likely to hear a bunch of new songs. It will be about the same amount, but with a variation on what they play each night. With the album out, they arent required to stick to the same few. One night we might hear IRS, CD, The Blues, and Better, while the next night we could hear Prostitute, CITR, TWAT, and Better.

They could do something similar to a Grateful Dead format when they play multiple dates in the same venue..they play some songs one night and a few different songs the next.
But it's tough to say what should get bumped out of night 2 rather than night 1 and vice versa..of course the hits will stay on the setlist like Jungle or Patience or November Rain..but I could see them mix it up and try some new songs.
I think Hammerstein night 1 they did 6 new songs..CD, TWAT, IRS, BETTER, MADAGASCAR, BLUES ..then they dropped TWAT from the lineup and another song during their 4 night run there.

I'd say 1/3 is about right. Add your own old songs but a  set something like this would be decent I think

 1. Jungle
2. Its So easy
3. Nightrain
4. New Song
5. New Song
6. Civil War
7. You Could be Mine
8. Out Ta Get me
9. Rocket Queen
10. New Song
11. New Song
12. New Song
13. Live and Let Die
14. Dead Horse
15. Sweet Child O' Mine
16. Yesterdays
17. New Song
18. New Song
19. You Ain't the First
20. Paradise city

I think part of the problem (for me, anyway) is that songs like The Blues, Madagascar, and CD itself, aren't new songs anymore - They're songs that were performed live 5 years ago.

As awesome as those songs are, they're hardly "new" material to the fans that've actually been around for a while.

I agree with you in a way. The flip side though is that the 6 new songs we have represent probably almost half of the new CD if you figure 13-14 songs. Unless they played the other half we haven't heard, there isn't really too much else to choose from.

It's weird eh? I me songs we've known for nearly half a decade are gonna be considerd new to everyone. the Blues or Madagascar may end up being singles and they'll be thought of as "new" when in reality we've been listening to them since what? 2001 or 2002.

"First off this guy grabs me and calls me bon jovi.? bon jovi can suck my dick!"  :hihi:
-AXL ROSE

 ::) who cares.? No offence but it's way past lame that people still in 2006 bring that up at the very mention of Bon Jovi. let it go people. It was one quote.

let what go? it was classic. It was a joke. bono stop posting in every single thread you read. its not nessecary.  :P

Anyway, When the CD comes out i hope they play 80% new songs. The old ones I have heard 1000 times over. Ready for some new material.

yeah, yeah. I know it was a joke but it's like so played out. :hihi:

they won't play 80% new songs. that wouldn't go over too well with the casual fans who have bought tickets. You need the olds songs to keep the tempo going. new songs are fine but that'd just be way too many.

Hey Bono you know what is lame?!
IN 2006 Bon Jovi says bad things about AXl early this year...like something '' Why you from the media talk about that freak(AXL) more than me ''.
That is lame...

Back on topic
They will play more new songs,at some point the set list will be 50/50 10 new songs and 10 olds. : ok:

In my opinion Jungle, Sweet Child, November Rain, Patience and Paradise City are staples. They should play 5 or 6 other old ones, but not the same ones every night. Maybe one night play It's So Easy, another night play Brownstone. One night play Nighttrain, another play YCBM. And so on and so forth. Then play around 10 songs from CD, and cut down the solo's.

I know. That wasn't the point at all. Who gives a crap what Bon jovi says. The point was that old quote from Axl is from the 80's. ::) And yet it gets mentiond every time Bon Jovi's name comes up. At least Bon Jovi has some new trash talk :hihi:

I knew Axlsroses was joking but I couldn't help but post the rollseyes smilie. I guess I've just heard it one too many times.

Anyways yeah back on topic.

I think that's exactly what'll happen. 4-5 new songs every night- they'll just switch em up.

Then they'd have to deal with alot of pissed off fans who paid to hear the classics.  Most people don't go to concerts to hear songs they've never heard before.

Also, there's absolutely no reason to keep changing a setlist on a tour. It's a new group of people in every venue (who paid to hear certain songs). It's different from downloading every live show they do and listening to the same songs over and over.

after the album comes out i'd hope to hear about 8 new songs at the show but of course, who knows what will happen!

I still havn't managed to sort this quoting business out yet. I was responding to a quote from jamesloften, and some how bad apples ended up in my post. Appoligies for the error

Personally, I'd love to see a half new/half old set - but that'll never happen. I think realistically, even after the album comes out, we'll get 7-8 new songs a night and 10 classics.

If they do a 20 song show, why cant they just play 10 songs off CD and 10 old songs? 

They could pick and choose from the old catalog and make it a little different each night, and play almost the whole new album.

CD will be out and people are gonna want to here those songs and the band is gonna wanna play them.  At the same time , people will hear plenty of old songs and be satified,  win win all around. : ok: :peace:

That'd be good enough. A lot of people (most of the crowd) wanna hear the classics. GN'R must play WTTJ, SCOM, PC, YCBM and NR, but as I see things they can rotate Easy, Mr Brownstone, Nightrain, Patience, LALD, KOHD with playing always at least 4 out of the 6. I'd welcome CW and a lot of people loves DC but GN'R don't seem to consider these song. They can play other 2 or 3 old songs like Out Ta Get Me, My Michelle, Think About You, RQ, UTLH and Dead Horse.

So they have like 5 classic songs to play every night
Another 4 rotated classics
Like 2 or 3 old songs for the hardcore fans

But there is room to play 8 new songs. At least 6 new ones in heavy rotation. Every night. That's what I expect them to do.? :yes:

I hope they focus on new material more

playing the classics makes it harder for people to not pine for the guys who performed and wrote those classics

this band needs to succeed or fail on its own material/merits.

Its doubtful theyll stop playing classic Guns songs per se, but they really need to start promoting their new stuff a hell of a lot more - why not play the whole of CD with 5-6 classics?

Yeah, I would prefer that sort of setlist, but its not likely, at least in the beginning. When Cd comes out, alot of fans that haven't paid any attention to GNR for years will likely come back into the fold. Those people will want to hear classics. Axl should ease the band(and the fans) slowly into playing more new material. While us forum fans would prefer all new, its not really logical at this point, at least in the aspect of selling tickets. Since new GNR has zero albums, it makes it even harder to not play old material. If they had done an album in say 2000, another album or EP in 2002, then doing this CD tour to promote the new album, people might not expect a trip down memory lane.

It will be interesting to see how this tour(and a revamped setlist) play out. The only scenario I could see playing all of CD like you said would be to open the show with 3 or 4 classics, play all of CD, then end the show with 3 or 4 classics.  That way you pump up the crowd right off the bat, hope to sustain the energy with the new album, and then give them another surge of energy to close out the show.