Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Since Gn'R has posted it tour schedule and Philly is not on there, what is the reaction like on radio stations?  Not trying to be funny, but I think Gn'R needs to do something for Philly. 

I think they'd like to but the tricky part is finding a place that will allow them to play without having to pay an insane amount for insurance!

They havent announced the 2nd leg, so theres still hope for all yall  :rofl: :rofl:

If I remember correctly people, Philadelphia was not the only show cancelled on that 2002 tour.

What about Biloxi, Mississippi? Doesn't anyone think GN'R needs to do something for them and the rest of the cancelled shows on that tour also?

But it's ALWAYS about Philly!

Yeah Houston, TX was cancelled to, hopefully on the 2nd Leg in late January.

Were the dates cancelled while people were sitting, waiting for the show to start in the arena??

Yeah, thought so. : ok:

So that gives them the right to riot, steal from the band, and cause alot of damage to the facility?

I don't think so.

Vancouver also had a riot in 2002 when axl never showed up. :yes:

Axl WAS ON HIS WAY! Someone in manangement pulled the plug on that one!

and that makes it all the more right to cancel a show? people were still disapointed

I agree. A cancelled concert is no reason to riot! Some people just use concerts as a reason to act like jerks. I'll never forget the jerk who practically dislocated my shoulder because he wanted a stupid $5 toy from Buckethead. Or what about the people In Chicago and La who set fires and destroyed cabs when their basketball teams won the National Championships!

that's bullshit. Axl wasn't even in Canada. That's on Axl. At least have the damn courtesy to be in the country of the show your supposed to be playing by the time the doors to the venue are supposed to open. "Axl was on his way" is such a load. I don't buy that for a second never have. The band, management and Axl himself can say it all ?they want. it's nothing more than spin and excuses as far as I'm concerend. Why does everyone believe that story? It's not a stretch to think he simply wasn't coming. What happend in Philly? Exactly. ?The only difference between Philly and Vancouver was there was no lame ass excuse giving after the Philly riot. ?

I'm not condoning the rioters but C'mon. It's a Gn'R crowd not a Neil Diamond crowd. What do you expect to happen when people find out the guy's not even gonna show up. That was the biggest let down ever in terms of concerts for me. 16 hour drive through the mountains at night in a winter blizzard for nothing. :(

I don't see the relevance of that to the rest of the topic or discussion at hand. ?Throwing an obscure fact/opinion wont change the fact that there was a riot at the Philly show, which is all that I stated, rendering it different from a cancellation.


Well at least you know why the other shows were cancelled. ?Do the Philly fans have any reason? No. Did the Philly fans have the opportunity to make alternate arrangements after hearing that the show was cancelled? No. ?People were already there. ?Everyone else received a refund and didn't have to leave the house to sit in a venue while a riot broke out.


As stated above, this response that you responded to had nothing to do with my statement. ?Sorry to hear about the shoulder though.. ?:peace:


Well said.  Thank you for that!

well said, i agree completely, hopefully nothing like this will happen again though

Although the possibility is always there (it is still GNR), I don't think we'll see anything like that this time around.  I've got a good feeling about this for some reason.. it just feels right this time  :peace:

The thread started off by asking if anyone thinks GN'R should do something for Philly? I don't see why Philly fans are more important than other GN'R fans who had bought tickets and planned trips so they could attend the other scheduled shows. I'm tired of hearing Philly fans complaining about their cancelled show and whining that they deserve something.

So you were at the Philly show?

I am too to an extent. If Philly fan gets somthing than Vancouver fan should get somthing and in my opinion neither should get anything other than a concert which you have to pay to see. I travelled to Vancouver in 2002 for the show and it pisses me off but I don't think the City should get any special reward for it, nor do I think they should be skipped altogether.

Well said.? I'll accept any opinion from anyone that was at a show that was cancelled.? Hearing people complain about the riots and the fan's opinions of the riots, when they weren't at any of the related shows, is bullshit.? There are no grounds for anyone to speak on a subject that they have nothing to do with.? Granted, I personally don't think that any city deserves anything. I also don't think that it's cool for the cities to be skipped over for any reason. Additionally, I also don't think that people should bitch when they've got no stake in the situation.

The excuse/reason may or may not ever come. I too would like to know but I've moved on from it. It's 4 years old, it's history!!


That's a fan problem not being able to control their own actions. Not a GN'R problem.

I was at the Philly show, I'm going to withhold alot of comments re; the 2002 show. All I can say is I would not call it a quote unquote riot.. Alot of soda's & beers came flying down from the 2nd level, then maybe 20-30 kids throwing fold up chairs at the mixing board. Fuck it, I could care less about that mixing board. And I can't beleive Drew actually said something about "Stealing from the band" How about the band stealing 5 hours on a Friday night away from 12,000 people??


But I'd like to stay On Topic. Really the radio doesn't comment on it, I'll post if I hear anything. But there's only 2 rock stations on in Philly.. I can't see them getting "upset" over it, let's face it, right now this tour isn't quite taking America  by storm. I'm sure they'll have jokes but they're DJ's, that's what they do, make lame jokes.

Nor do I.

Granted fans could cordially leave in an orderly fashion - but that's just not human nature. ?Especially given the Philadelphia mentality. ?Those people get pissed when cheese isn't melted properly. ?Nobody can blame GNR for the riot until a reason is provided. ?That day may never come. Many have moved on, but unfortunatly, until there is some sort of answer, I doubt the promoters will even discuss bringing them to Philly. ?

I doubt Philly was skipped by GNR.. I'd lean more toward the fact that Philly promoters weren't interested in bringing them back. 

I also like your call on "stealing from the fans" - but it wasn't a stone and knife riot, you're right.  But a lot of damage was done to the place - to the tune of $2million, if I recall an older article.

Ok, but that is to the complex, not the band directly. Drew made the following comment:



That is what I was referring to.

From the last couple posts it sounds as if the Vancouver riot was a bigger deal. That shit got ugly fast. Cops and dogs and fans throwing huge rocks at the huge glass windows of GM Place. Dogs chasing fans and fans fireing roman candles at cops. Fans dropping rocks off the bridge at cops, cops running over a guy on his mountain bike who was trying to get away(I saw it, he wan't hurt). Baracades being used ot smash inot GM Place, fans reaching through the boxoffice window to grab computers, fans rocking the tour bus and getting blasted with pepper spray and more dogs chasing. it was pretty nuts for about 20 minutes. Lots when down in that short time.

the sad part was this crowd was amped ina ?big way and chanting Axl's name outside even before the doors opened(which they never did) and when the security guy came out to announce the cancellation the mood changed in an instant. it was n errie feeling. If there was ever a time when you could feel an atmosphere change ina mili second this was it. The poor guy who had the duty of informing us looked scared and he was a huge man. ?he had ?a mega phone and when he went to anounce it with that, the thing cut out and wouldn't work. he looked at people at the front of the line(I was third in line) and with a very worried look on his face said "You guys aren't gonna like this" then he yelled the announcment to the crowd. very surreal the whole thing.

the 2002 guns n roses Vancouver Riot was nothing compaired to the 1994 canucks vs rangers riot when they had 20,000 drunk hockey fans who just lost the cup in their home town, but you know shit happens.
now that was a fucking riot my friend. :beer:

i was in vancouver in 2002 i live in saskachawan look at a map and you can tell why i was pissed but that was a long time ago and I'am looking forward to rocking out in edmonton which is a shorter drive than vancouver : ok: I just hope the weather is good in december :nervous:

I haven't heard anything about this tour yet, but then again I don't listen every day.  WMMR's dj's always rip Axl.  Oh well, it's their loss.   :-*  Fuck 'em.  The funniest part is that they don't know what the hell they're talking about.  For instance, the whole story of Axl demanding a roast duck dinner and delaying a show on the European tour (which was a made up story) was something they feasted on in Philly.  Just stupid shit.  Like I said f 'em.
Real fans will go to NJ, MSG, or Baltimore.  Seeing as how I'm in Delaware, Philly would have been nice, but Jersey allows for my passengers to consume even more legal  ;) beverages.   :beer:

yeah man i hear that, iam from Van and spending alot of money to go to the calgary show, and being from vancouver its the mildest place in canada, doesn't get very cold so the weather in calgary during december isn't gonnq be very fun for me.
i'll just have to drink lots of fireball : ok:

philly fans don't deserve a show

last year we had a very mild winter. barely any snow. it wasn't untill January where really really got any. I work outdoors all year and I think I put my actual winter boots on maybe half a dozen times and I'm sure they were all from January on.. That was last year but ya never know it might be like that again. hahahahaaa!!!!! :rofl: yeah right. You're gonna freeze you fucking as off.  :hihi: Just kididng.

Thanks for the insight.  Go away  : ok:

I think a date can still be announced. Theres 3 days inbetween NYC and Baltimore. I was at the Philly show as well in fact i had 6th row seats too. I wouldnt call it a riot either. Hopefully theyll announce a date and if not ill try to find tickets to the NYC show.

No one is saying Philly fans are more special but that Philly fans went through was completely different than the fans affected by the other cancelled dates (except Vancouver). It's one thing to have a concert cancelled in advance, but it's a completely different thing to actually travel to the show and to sit through the opening acts only to find out the lead singer never bothered to show up. I've had shows cancelled by my fave bands and its disappointing and a bit frustrating, but it doesn't compare to the frustration of what went down that night. I don't think Axl should do anything special for Philly but I think its a slap in the face if they don't play Philly.

You really dont see the difference between Philly and the cancelled shows?

Theres a vast difference in disappointment between being inside a venue, two acts in, and waiting for the band to take the stage before being told the shows over and hearing that a future show is cancelled.  A lot of people came from different states.  Thats the difference, its not hard to comprehend.  People in other cities planned on attending; the Philly crowd did attend.  Of course theres no excuse for rioting, but the majority didnt riot and the "riot" that did occur was surprisingly tame.

* I shouldve read the whole thread, Acquiesce said it well.

I also dont think Philly fans are owed anything special, but to get no explanation in four years and to be skipped over on the follow-up tour is a bit insulting. 

I was there as well. I was disappointed for a long-ass time, but guess what? I got over it, I saw the best show of my life at the Hammerstein back in May!   : ok:

Really, its not totally out of the question for Philly fans to go to MSG or the Jersey shows - they're both what..an hour and a half away from center city? Yeah, its now a show in your backyard, but its still a GN'R show, and The Garden show is gonna be a million times better than any show in Philly ever could be!

If you guys had to sit through an hour of Mixmaster Mike you'd know why Philly fans are pissed over the noshow. :hihi:

I was at the Philly show, and why the riot wasn't a gigantic one, it was a big enough one.  The 1,000,000 dollar soundboard that Axl uses was completely destroyed by folding chairs, and there was about 5,000 dollars worth of damage done to the arena (according to comcast specticor).

Anyone who says Philly fans don't have any right to be pissed (or more pissed than the other cancelations of 2002 not including vanccover) is an idiot.

Of course we do, we were all there and the band didn't show up.  After waiting over 10 years to see a Gn'R show and sticking with the band through all the shit that we've been though, to sit there that excited and have the concert canceled because of a lame excuse of "one of the band members is sick", and not to even get a real reason or excuse coming up on 4 years later?  You don't think we have a right to be pissed?

Well what about this, it was my first Gn'R show, I've been a fan since I was 14 (1997) and it was my first oppertunity to see them.  I was a hardcore fan for 5+ years at that point, and the rug was pulled out from under me.  We don't have a right to be pissed? fuck you.

But on the other side, I see it as kind of cool now.  12/06/06 is a show that Gn'R fans won't soon forget, like Montreal and St. Louis.  The Philly show was the end of the Buckethead era of Gn'R, the era that didn't work.  Obviously for whatever reason Axl wasn't ready to unleash the new Gn'R onto the world at that time (it's a shame, but hey..).  Our show is the only show that will be remembered from that tour, because it's the only one that mattered in the end.  It was the end of one of Gn'R's many eras.  I think it's cool, after all how many Gn'R fans can say they were at one of the band's many famious riots?

On the plus side the NJ show at the Continental Airlines Arena isn't that far away from where I live (maybe 30-45 minutes farther than Philly) and I'll be at that show.  Let's hope it goes better this time. ;D

Philly will be alright as it's written in Sequal heaven that Philadelphia's own Rocky Balboa is coming to town on Christmas for one last round.

booker, acquiesce, and eclipsed explained it best.

and i'd like to add that there were probably about 20 people responsible for all the damage (which was minimal)......out of 20,000 that showed up (one of the few sellouts in 2002). so to classify philly fans as undeserving is really unfair, and makes no sense.

also, philly area is a HUGE rock market that everyone plays. so it is kinda of a big deal for a band to do a large tour and not play here.

to answer the original question of this thread. there is no talk whatsoever about this tour. none of my friends had heard of the tour until i mentioned it. but everyone's reaction is the same, "they HAVE to play philly".

anytime the philly fans get shit on, it's a good thing.  if i saw axl wearing a mcscabb jersey or that thug iverson in 02 i would have puked.  philly fans are the worst in the country....a stain on humanity...when bad things happen to them i'm happy...skip philly for life axl!!!!!!!!

This is just silly.

The 1,000,000 dollar soundboard that Axl uses was completely destroyed by folding chairs, and there was about 5,000 dollars worth of damage done to the arena (according to comcast specticor).

I bet thats why most of the tour is general admission  :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Dude whats your point? Your narrow-minded approach to this discussion is less than intriguing.  Find something constructive to say.

is there a source to the "fact" that a soundboard was destroyed? and the value of any destroyed soundboards?

In an interview with Kurt Loder Axl said tht $1000000 worth of their equipment was damaged didnt specify soundboards

Axl gave a post-Philly interview to Kurt Loder?

i think it was like a year after hang on ill upload it give us 10-20 mins

Yep, he had no idea that the gig he was supposed to play that night had been cancelled.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CCUFVB2K

Hm, when I was there I didn't see anything else of Gn'R's get destroyed, there were chairs thrown on stage but there really wasn't anything up there to break.  The soundboard was completley trashed though, at the end of the wreckage it just looked like a pile of chairs. :P

:rofl:

How about showing up on time instead of leaving the venue hanging. The venue had everything to cancel it because Axl wasn't responsible enough to even be in the country on time. Axl was 100% to blame on that one.

He was in an airplane enroute from La to Vancouver. The flight was delayed due to weather conditions.

I really wish people would get over any of the riots that have happened. I still can't understand trying to justify wanting to destroy an arena and other people because Axl didn't show up or walked off stage.

good call annie. : ok:


Thanks emo dude!

yeah the way i figure.it's election time.and the city just doesn't want hassles right now.maybe after election time.politic's rule over rock i guess.that's a bitch.

grrr not funny

 :-X My bad mbv is not emo. I see nothing wrong in people being into emo or noise tho.

well it takes about 2to3 to fly from L.A. to Vancouver i know that much..but weather conditions in L.A.? please..and what weather conditions are there in Vancouver? oh yeah rain! and rain doesn't delay flights.

rain does delay flights, all the time!  Once I had to actually go to a different airport because rain was delaying all flights and i would have had to stay overnight if they hadn't got me on another one at the other airport.  it wasn't even heavy rain that day!

I didnt download, but it said Axl Arrested 1992...The Philly incident was 2002.

:-[

err shit i got confused sorry i was thinking of St Louis ill go sit in the sin bin for a while :'(

I was at that Philly show, so for all you people who say to get over it, it's really tough to when you know people who got hurt.

Glad I'm going to the the MSG show :hihi: as you know Axl won't skip out on his new favorite city :rofl:

Don't blame Axl for not goig to Philly though

My point is that the people you know that were hurt were hurt by people looking for an excuse to get away with something. I am not jusifying the no-show, but how people re-act is not the bands fault.

It's hard to understand unless you're actually there. ?A lot of people, not just you, find it easily justifiable to say that it's no big deal. ?Well, hopefully not, but one day maybe all of the people sing their song of 'get over it' will witness something firsthand and be whining about their own incident. ?No harm intended, but I find the split among the fans to be amusing. ?People that were there find it acceptable to complain a good bit and those that weren't say get over it. ?Neither party is totally correct, but at least the people that were there have a point toward rationalization.

 :peace:


On a separate note, there again, unless you know who the people in question are, how do you justify talking about them or their intentions?  Doesn't make sense to me at all.  Frankly, unless you were there to witness it firsthand, there's no reason to argue.  There are a lot of different stories from a lot of different people that attended the show - and I'm sure that they're all accurate by one's own perception.  Facts are facts, over $1mil in damages and I saw INNOCENT people trying to leave that were getting hurt.  People were throwing seat cushions (with the metal attached) over the balcony - I watched them hit people as they fell 40 feet from the upper level down to the floor.  Nobody is blaming the band for the actions of the fans, but seriously, don't say people were hurt because of their malicious intentions.  Innocent people got fucked that night.   

:peace:

People were hurt because of someones malicious intent or else the riot would've never taken place.

I've been in two different potential GNR riot situations. One turned into a riot, the other didn't. We had sat through Smashing Pumpkins twice at the Palace in 92 just to be told around midnight that GNR wouldn't be playing the show because Axl had been in route and somehow  got snatched up by St. Louis officials for charges stemming from the riot there.

Now this is in Detroit (we pretty much invented riots) and it's midnight. Drunk metal guys have just sat through an alternative band they don't even know (Gish was the album they were touring for) TWICE. Then they get told as a whole that GNR is not even coming. There were a TON of people actually saying things like "Lets tear this fuckin' place apart!" and shit like that. But alot of other people ended up talking them down and just saying "Why? It's no ones fault. We'll just see them again soon" and things like that.

It took awhile but the Palace ended up clearing out and everyone got a makeup show a year later that rocked.

The same cannot be said for Toronto. We all know what happened, but the same sentiment was the in the crowd. There were two types of people. The ones who didn't see a reason to destroy everything and people who wanted to use what happened during the show as an excuse to do something terrible.

That night, the bad half won. I can't understand how the exact same thing didn't happen in Philly. How is it any different?

Yeah, I actually think that we're saying the same thing here... Just in different words.  :beer:

Very well said. I agree with both of you. :peace:

obviously this guy is a dallas cowboys fan  :hihi:

Yeah, he should give himself the T.O. treatment  :hihi:

Well considering he's a moron there's a 99% chance of that.  Either that or a NY Mets fan. :P

Philly 2002 was going to be the first time I saw GNR live.
I had tix for Wilkes Barre - CANCELLED
Then the incident occurred - I was angry for not seeing GNR but remained a fan.
Made peace in May at Hammerstein.

Hoping to see them at Tweeter or Borgata - I think Wachovia Center was to blame as well for the 2002 madness... so I doubt they will play there.

Same, but my tickets ended up being 1st row for both nights after the cancelled wilkes barre.  I was supposed to be like 12th row..  I don't know who to blame.  It's everyones fault.  Axl for not being there, fans for making a mess and Wachovia for doing a piss poor job throughout the night in terms of security and even staff... Read the reviews, people noticed it all.

i felt that way too.i got to go to ny.and it was great !
so im not all that upset about no philly this time i guess.it was horrible telling my friends ''he is coming out just late.an no show omg !
what a let down.

since you say that have i missed something? does ANYONE know what happened at the end of that tour?

Nobody knows. Axl wont comment.

I was there in '02. ?It really was no big deal to me. ?I was over it in a couple weeks. ?Seems kind of silly and quite frankly a waste to still be upset over the experience 4 years later.

If you are still affected in a negative way having to endure that riot, then you probably should not subject yourself to the possibility of being stuck in a riot again anyway.

Hammerstein was a great experience for me so I'm fine going to NYC again to see them.

ust that it never made sense to me. AT ALL Axl seemed so happy in NY and seemed confident the whole band did. then Philly happened. I heard Tommy say things happened that nobody else knows but id like a bit of an explanation...a reason even if its  abad one.

Just about the same for me! ?I did see GNR in the late 80's and early 90's but this was going to be the first since then for me. ?I also had tickets for Wilkes Barre and then when it was cancelled, I bought the Philly tickets.

Did I talk to you on the subway after the no show? ????

Agreed, but it's a little unsettling to not have a reason.

Thing is...If this was all on Axl...if everything was his fault like ppl said then why didnt the rest quit? Robin could easily have left but he didnt...Thats part of why it didnt make sense.

Good point... we'll probably never know either.  That band stuck with him through a lot of shit - it's more than I can say for the last group.

If he had left then others would have followed (thankfully Bucket was not followed) GNR could really be no more

Yeah Bucket is not much of a song writter though Robin is. If Robin ever left GNR would be in bad shape.

Agreed.  Glad Robin stuck around...

It has been said that Clear Channel gave Axl 1 million dollars prior to the tour as a pre-tour bonus. ?After the Vancouver riot and repeated late arrivals on stage, Clear Channel insisted that Axl return the million as insurance that he would "behave" for the remainder of the tour.

If Axl did not comply, CC threatened to pull the plug on the tour. ?Axl refused and stayed in his NYC hotel room watching a basketball game as a helicopter sat atop the hotel waiting to wisk him away to Philly. ?The other band members were in the building in Philly waiting for Axl to show.

Clear Channel banked on Axl giving in as they allowed the opening acts to take the stage in Philly. ?Axl was only an hour away via a helicopter ride. ?Clear Channel knew days in advance that they were gonna try and strong arm Axl. ?They hired people to walk around the arena and sell non-refundable $10.00 tickets to the second show that was to occur the second night in Philly. ?CC took advantage of fans knowing that the second concert would not go on as planned.

 ?

Cornell,  I did not talk to you on the subway in 2002 but I know many true fans left disappointed but did not cause the destruction that took place.  Hope to see ya at the Meadowlands - if you are going.

Side note: Venue knew (VIA security guard that night) of the no-show hours before they announced (Hockey game/kids attending across the street) they waited so the other venue cleared out safely!

yes philly was not the only show cancelled...however philly was the only show where the opening acts played and GNR didnt show up....I was going to go to that show, but didnt, I will be at msg and continental...I cant wait!!!!

First time I've heard that... but it seems logical enough.  Fucking clear channel... that blows.  :rant:

stupid clear channel.. i hope to hear the whole story some day.
the stupid vancouver riot wasn't even in their control because they pulled the plug on show when Axl was on his way!  hopefully whatever happened will clear up in time and they will be able to play philly and vancover again.  all the 2002 fiascos really hurt the band, its taken a long time to come back....

haven't heard a thing on the radio about it...no one really cares...besides, NY is close, Worcester MA, is only about 5 hours away, if you really wanna see Axl and company that bad, and you're from Philly, you can...it's not that big of deal... : ok:

this is pure speculation on your part. at least that's what i'm assuming unless you have a source. if you do, please provide.

also, the reason they were selling tix to the second philly show for $10 is because the second show was in danger of being cancelled because of low ticket sales. i had seats in row 2 for the second night just by ordering through ticketmaster. a few days before the show you could still get tix very close to the stage. i believe they sold less than 1,000 tix for that show.

so i don't think it is fair to say CC took advantage  of the fans.

Does anyone know anything more of the mention that an AC (Borgata) date was going to be announced soon?

Well said.  That sounds like what I recall hearing in the past.. but the other theory fits the same mold.  Without a source, I'll be more conservative in my opinion - we may never know. I was 2nd row also, through ticketmaster..