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Congratulations to Floyd Landis winning the 2006 Le Tour de France

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American Landis wins Tour de France

July 23, 2006

PARIS (AP) -- Floyd Landis won the Tour de France on Sunday, keeping cycling's most prestigious title in American hands for the eighth straight year.

The 30-year-old Landis cruised to victory on the Champs-Elysees, a day after regaining the leader's yellow jersey and building an insurmountable lead in the final time trial.

Landis picked up where another American left off last year, when Armstrong completed his seventh and final Tour triumph.

With the victory, Landis becomes the third American -- joining Armstrong and three-time winner Greg LeMond -- to win the Tour.

shit I didn't even know it was going on...  :P

AMERICA! FUCK YEA!!

Hmm I was hoping for kloden or Menchov to win since I don't like Landis one bit, but hey Congrats Landis? :-\

Not looking ahead too fast but here's some exciting news. In 2007 the Tour will begin in London. Make your plans now!! :yes: : ok: :beer:


London hoping for Tour de France windfall

Sun Jul 23, 10:59 AM ET

LONDON (AFP) - Organisers believe next year's Tour de France start in London could be worth up to 70 million pounds for the capital.
   
"London is going to be ready for this because it is the sort of spectacular that will be good for the UK and that we do so well," Peter Hendy, London's Transport Commissioner, said Sunday.

"Considering the amount of money we put in, we are getting a lot back over a short period of time. And what's more you get to be right up close to the top stars - you would never be able to get that close to David Beckham."

Transport for London (TfL) "conservatively" estimates it will get a 70 million pounds return on the 1.5 million pounds it paid organisers Amaury Sport Organisation to host the start.

Another five million pounds has been earmarked to cover running costs although this budget has not been finalised.

The hotel industry is set to benefit directly, with 237,500 people staying overnight including 120,000 who will be paying for commercial accommodation.

Bradley Wiggins, Britain's 2004 Olympic individual pursuit champion, said: "This is just like the Olympics coming to town for the day. It is a one-off and it is going to be enormous. It is really going to build up over the next year."

He aims to be on the 2007 start line, as racers prepare to speed past the London landmarks of Big Ben and Buckingham Palace among others.

The Tour, founded in 1903, attracts 15 million roadside spectators. More than 2,965 hours of coverage is broadcast to 184 countries.

The opening ceremony will be in Trafalgar Square on July 6 with the prologue time trial taking place 24 hours later before a 125 mile (200km) first stage the next day through London and Kent, south-east England.

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2006 Tour de France winner Floyd Landis of the US waves the US flag as he rides up the Champs-Elysees avenue in Paris following the final stage of the 93rd Tour de France cycling race between Antony, south of Paris, and Paris, Sunday, July 23, 2006.
(AP Photo/Peter Dejong)

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Yeah!  Landis!  I watched the stage today, the race on the Champs-Elysses was CRAZY!

Crazy? you must not watch the Tour often 'cause the final stage is always boring as hell, same goes for today.....

What do you mean?  It was an exciting finish!

Stage 18 and 19 were pretty intense cause that's where Landis knew he had to give it everything he had. He completely attacked and demolished the field in the last mountain stage. That was amzing to watch. The final stage is always enjoyable cause it's the ride into Paris. And that's pretty special all in itself. But overall, I enjoy all the stages. It's the only sport/event I look forward to watching every year.

another american winning, that should piss the french off again  :D

Tour oganizer, Jean-Marie Leblanc said some pretty kind words today by saying, "Landis showed us the face of yesterday's Tour de France." .....and, "A human face, with exploits and panache." :)

just wait.. there anti american press will eventually roll out there shit..

hehe guess there's no need for that since they just anounced that Landis tested positive for the use of doping. He's been suspended by Phonak until further notice....

How disgusting :no:  Shame on you Mr. Landis!

Steroids have ruined all sports.

Another druggie bites the dust.

My fellow-citizen Pereiro is the winner! : ok:

how can he show a happy face and all on pictures ...
when he KNOWS we gonna KNOW !

Apparently there are two samples, both taken at the same time and only one is positive so far.  The second one will be tested this week.  If it's positive, he's out.  If it's clean, he stays due to the possibility of a tainted first sample.

I'm not surprised.  Ullrich and Basso were busted, Armstrong has always had a lot of suspicion on him, and the book "Game of Shadows," while dealing mostly with Bonds, also goes into Olympians who were doping via BALCO.  If Olympic athletes were doing it and passed the world's highest doping standards for 20-some years, it shouldn't be a shock if Landis and Armstrong were doing it too.

why do athletes take this shit when they know their gonna be caught...idiots

Armstrong was not doing it.. being a cancer survivor I really doubt he would put that shit in his body.

alot of times they do it because of the pressure to preform atleast according to Mark Lotz it is, he was a pro cycler and he has ridden a couple of tour de frances but he was also caught 2 years ago, I know this because he's a colleague of my dad now since his cycling carreer is as good as over....



I think he probably has

Prove It..

I can't, but can you prove to me that he has always been clean? you can't...the sad fact is that almost all pro cyclists have used some form of doping at one point in their career.

and you do know that Armstrong was a cyclist before he even had cancer right?

yes I do know that.. All there ever was just allegations of him.. never any proof or evidence.. so until you find some hard evidence that he used..

A laboratory has proven that Lance was doped at 1999 Tour de France.
Lance also admitted to the doctors who were treating his cancer that he had been taking drugs.

D, have you entered this race yet?  :hihi:

Last news: Floyd Landis was doped. (testosterone positive)

 : ok:

just seen that on TV ... i'm french.

Now that Landis has been caught red-handed, I have no doubt Armstrong has doped either.  What a shame.  Bad day to be an American...it sucks to have the carpet pulled from right under you...it's like finding out Axl has been lip-syncing all these years. (he hasn't, don't bawl on me :hihi:)


So sad.

That's untrue. Plus, where is source to back your statement up?

If the second test comes back positive also then it's a real shame for Landis. But if the second test comes back negative then it could set things straight. Maybe.

But just as some of you say Landis did drugs without a doubt the same thing can be said that his drug resultes were tainted without a doubt too.

dude everybody knows in france that everybody is doped on the "Tour de France" ... Landis is just like the others.

"Everbody knows". That's your proof? :hihi: :hihi: Dude... :hihi:

Here's the story from Yahoo on Landis:

Team says Landis tested positive during Tour de France
By STEPHEN WILSON, AP Sports Writer
July 27, 2006

LONDON (AP) -- Tainted at the start, the Tour de France may have been tainted at the finish, too.

Floyd Landis' stunning Tour de France victory was thrown into question Thursday when his team said he tested positive for high testosterone levels during stage 17, when the 30-year-old American champion began his stunning comeback with a gritty charge into the Alps.

The Phonak team suspended Landis, pending results of the backup "B" sample of his drug test. If Landis is found guilty of doping, he could be stripped of the Tour title, and Spain's Oscar Pereiro would become champion.

It wasn't immediately known when the backup sample will be tested.

Efforts to reach Landis were not immediately successful. But Arlene Landis said her son called Thursday from Europe and told her he had not done anything wrong.

"He said, 'There's no way,"' she said in an interview with The Associated Press at her home in Farmersville, Pa. "I really believe him. I don't think he did anything wrong."

Second-place finisher Pereiro said he was in no mood to celebrate.

"Should I win the Tour now it would feel like an academic victory," Pereiro told The Associated Press at his home in Vigo, Spain. "The way to celebrate a win is in Paris, otherwise it's just a bureaucratic win."

The Swiss-based Phonak team said it was notified by the International Cycling Union (UCI) on Wednesday that Landis' sample showed "an unusual level of testosterone/epitestosterone" when he was tested after stage 17 of the race last Thursday.

"The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result," the Phonak statement said.

The 30-year-old Landis made a remarkable comeback in that Alpine stage, racing far ahead of the field for a solo win that moved him from 11th to third in the overall standings. He regained the leader's yellow jersey two days later.

Landis rode the Tour with a degenerative hip condition that he has said will require surgery in the coming weeks or months.

Phonak's statement came a day after the UCI, cycling's world governing body, said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour.

Phonak said Landis would ask for an analysis of his backup sample "to prove either that this result is coming from a natural process or that this is resulting from a mistake."

Phonak manager John Lelangue said the team would ask for the second sample to be analyzed in the next few days.

"He will be fighting ... waiting for the B analysis and then proving to everyone that this can be natural," Lelangue said in a telephone interview.

Arlene Landis said it could take two weeks for the results of the backup test to be made public.

"Of course he wasn't happy about it, but they're spoiling everything he's supposed to be doing right now," she said. "Why couldn't they take care of this before they pronounced him the winner? Lance (Armstrong) went through this too. Somebody doesn't want him to win."

"Why do they put you through two weeks of misery and spoil your crown? My opinion is when he comes on top of this everyone will think so much more of him. So that's what valleys are for, right?"

If the second sample confirms the initial finding, Phonak said Landis will be fired.

USA Cycling spokesman Andy Lee said that organization could not comment on Landis.

"Because it's an anti-doping matter, it's USA Cycling's policy not to comment on that subject out of respect for the process and Floyd's rights," Lee said. "Right now, we have to let the process proceed and we can't comment on it."

Carla O'Connell, publications and communications director for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, said: "I'll make this very brief: No comment."

UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani said Landis was notified of the test Wednesday morning. He said the cycling body doesn't require analysis of the "B" sample, but that Landis requested it.

"We are confident in the first (test)," Carpani said. "For us, the first one is already good."

"It is obviously distressing," Tour director Christian Prudhomme said at a Paris news conference, stressing the backup test still must be done. Prudhomme said it would be up to the UCI to deretmine penalties if Landis is found guilty of doping.

Under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The threshold was recently lowered from 6:1. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1:1.

Testosterone is included as an anabolic steroid on WADA's list of banned substances, and its use can be punished by a two-year ban.

Landis wrapped up his Tour de France win on Sunday, keeping the title in U.S. hands for the eighth straight year. Lance Armstrong, long dogged by doping whispers and allegations, won the previous seven. Armstrong never has tested positive for drugs and vehemently has denied doping.

On Thursday, Armstrong was riding in RAGBRAI, an annual bike ride across Iowa that attracts thousands of riders.

At the first break in Sully, Iowa, about 50 miles southeast of Des Moines, Armstrong had little to say at the Coffee Cup Cafe, where he grabbed a slice of coconut cream pie and a big glass of ice water.

When asked about Landis, Armstrong told The Associated Press: "I'm not here to talk about that."

Landis' inspiring Tour ride reminded many of fellow American Tyler Hamilton's gritty 2003 performance. Hamilton, riding for team CSC, broke his collarbone on the first day of the Tour but rode on, despite the pain, and finished fourth overall.

But, a year later, Hamilton, then riding for Phonak, tested positive for blood doping at a Spanish race and now is serving a two-year ban. He has denied blood doping.

Also Thursday, one of Germany's main television channels threatened to drop coverage of the Tour de France because of Landis' doping test. The ZDF channel demanded guarantees from the UCI and tour organizers that they will take firms steps against doping.

Speculation that Landis had tested positive spread earlier Thursday after he failed to show up for a one-day race in Denmark on Thursday. A day earlier, he missed a scheduled event in the Netherlands.

On the eve of the Tour's start, nine riders -- including pre-race favorites Jan Ullrich and Ivan Basso -- were ousted, implicated in a Spanish doping investigation.

The names of Ullrich and Basso turned up on a list of 56 cyclists who allegedly had contact with Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes, who's at the center of the Spanish doping probe.

World Anti-Doping Agency chief Dick Pound, speaking before Landis was confirmed as the rider with the positive test, said it was amazing any cyclist would risk doping after the scandals that rocked the Tour before the start.

"Despite all the fuss prior to the race with all these riders identified and withdrawn, you still have people in that race quite willing and prepared to cheat," he told the AP by phone from Montreal. "That's a problem for cycling."

Associated Press writers Michael Rubinkam in Ephrata, Pa., Lalo Villar in Vigo, Spain, and Todd Dvorak in Sully, Iowa, and AP Sports Writers Arnie Stapleton in Denver, Jamey Keaten in Paris and Melissa Murphy in Sully, Iowa, contributed to this report.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=Aj75KGpkaeolpy0NVP.41b85nYcB?slug=ap-landis-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns

All I said was he was suspected of it for a long time and it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone if he did.

Nowhere did I, or anyone else, say that he was doping.

Did you miss this false comment?

It wasn't a "false comment" Mr Drew... The samples from 1999 have been tested with today's techniques. The results are irrefutable : Lance was doped in 1999. Like everybody...
source (in French): http://www.lequipe.fr//Cyclisme/DOPAGE_ARMSTRONG_2.html

While true, a 1999 sample did test positive on the A sample, the B sample was proven to be clean.  Therefore, it is possible, but not conclusive.

So it's not a blatantly "false comment," but rather a misunderstanding due to a poor explanation from the media.

hmm.. let me try to find the spanish doctors quotes from some article on why testosterone levels would be elevated.. I guess this doctor has defended lots of riders..

i can't explain myself in english but in france everybody knows yes... many proofs of it.

Okay, I guess there's no reason trying to have a converstion/debate with you then.


About the drug test. Has anyone ever thought that testosterone levels in American men could actually just be higher then other men in other ocuntries? It is a genetic posibility.

That "proof" was with a damaged B sample. His A sample was clean, undamaged, and if he really was doping it wouldn't have taken 7 years to figure it out.

The French are just pissed at Lance because it's a French race and Americans are better than they are at it.

Landis may have, but I still have my doubts about the whole thing...

I dont believe he is guilty.

The press want to slay cheaters so bad they jump the gun in my opinion.

The dudes testerone was high but not the performance enhancing testosterone which was actually low. The dude had been taking cortisone shots for his hip and Im sure thats what has his tests all fucked up.

This is a country that has only existed for 200-some years.  It would take much longer for genetic changes like you're suggesting to take place.

Besides, the normal radio of testosterone is 1:1.  It requires a 4:1 to set off a positive test via the Tour's testing standards.  Do you really think testosterone might NATURALLY be four times higher in American men rather than European?  And if so, why hasn't this shown up on several other Americans' tests?

A 4:1 ratio does not occur in anyone naturally unless they've got something going really wrong (such as an extra Y chromosome).  And the fact he hasn't tested positive before this makes it even more questionable that it's natural.

Let's get that B sample tested!

Great points D.


But there still stands a possibility about the higher levels of testosterone in American men. Small maybe, but it's still there.

Good points made on why the high testosterone level havn't shown up before in previous test.

Yes.. I think your right on..

Landis however screwed himself by saying he has naturally high levels of testosterone.

This was ignorant in my opinion for him to say cause if that were true,  his other tests wouldnt have been negative.


Facts are he was struggling, and the day he went from 12th or whatever he was to first with a bullet is the day his levels were off.

I dont know, I want to believe him but its lookin kinda fishy.

On July 27, 2006 the Phonak Cycling Team announced that Landis had his "A sample" test positive in a drug test given to him after Stage 17, as part of the Tour's standard doping precautions. His "A sample" tested positive for an abnormally high ratio of the hormone testosterone to epitestosterone during Stage 17 of the race (B sample testing results which could confirm or refute A sample tests are not yet complete). On the same day the allegations were made public, Landis denied doping in order to win the 2006 Tour de France.

Landis has been suspended pending the results of a second test or "B sample." His team has stated he will be fired from the team should his B sample prove positive.[8] There is some debate as to whether the test necessarily proves doping.[9] In particular, hypothyroidism, which Landis has, causes low levels of SHBG, which in turn can cause relatively high levels of testosterone (since testosterone must bind with SHBG before it can be biologically processed out of the system). The net result is an accumulation of testosterone and an abnormally high T/E ratio. Even though he is on medication for his hypothyroidism, thyroid levels are notoriously unstable in those with hypothyroidism, even if taking medication[citation needed].

Floyd Landis was doped. Period.
His performance in the 17th stage was, hmm, unbelievable. ?

If he doped when they say he doped, it wouldn't have helped him in the 17th stage. These aren't short term drugs. You can't take a bunch of steroids, and the next day have a really good day. It doesn't work like that.

If steroids helped like that, athletes would take them day before for lots of events. Like the Super Bowl. They don't test you on Super Bowl Sunday. So if you wanted, you could take every steroid on earth on that Saturday. But it wouldn't make you any better.

Well, that's not the opinion of the experts. Testosterone is a stimulant that works instantaneously. Floyd needed that kind of thing to recover after being in difficulty during the 16th stage.

No seriously It takes about 2 weeks.. thats coming from the experts

Breaking news : 100 meter recordman Justin Gatlin doped. ::)
Testosterone again...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2006-07-29T200735Z_01_L29766302_RTRUKOC_0_US-DOPING-GATLIN.xml

This isn't a doping thread, this is a Tour de France thread about Floyd Landis.

You must be kidding...
By the way, testosterone seems to be very much in fashion lately.

"Naturally" high testosterone levels, eh?

Synthetic testosterone found in Landis sample
Associated Press


NEW YORK -- Lab tests show that some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' urine sample taken at the Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he had claimed, according to a newspaper report.

The French antidoping lab testing the American cyclist's samples detected that some of the hormone came from an external source, The New York Times reported on its Web site Monday night, citing a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the result.

The result undermines the defense that Landis has stood behind since the news last week that he tested positive for an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following his stirring comeback in Stage 17 of the Tour de France.

Landis won that Alpine stage and went on to claim the Tour title.

Earlier Monday, Landis officially requested the testing of his backup urine sample.

"We've sent the fax to the UCI this afternoon," said Jose Maria Buxeda, one of Landis' two Spanish lawyers, of the Swiss-based International Cycling Union. "Now we'll have to adjust to their calendar."

If the "B" test is negative, Landis would be cleared. If it's positive, the 30-year-old American would face formal doping charges and could be stripped of his Tour victory and banned for two years.

Buxeda said he's not sure when the "B" test will be carried out at the Paris doping laboratory, though it could be sometime this week. Landis, who has returned to the United States, is willing to attend the analysis depending on the date, Buxeda said.

Landis' lawyers say they fully expect the backup test to confirm the original finding.

Landis, speaking in Madrid on Friday, said his test results had nothing to do with doping and that the high level of testosterone in his body was the result of his natural physiology.

Testosterone is a naturally occurring male hormone that is banned when it is found in a ratio greater than 4:1 to another hormone, epitestosterone.

Oscar Pereiro of Spain, who finished second overall in the Tour de France, would be declared the winner if Landis loses the Tour de France title.

It would be the first time in the history of the Tour of France that the winner has been disqualified for doping.



And from ESPN...

"Since Landis' abnormal A sample was taken on a day that he turned in an extraordinary performance, making up eight minutes in a mountain stage on a solo breakaway, it seems logical to presume a cause-and-effect relationship. In the interest of balance, it should be mentioned that synthetic testosterone isn't generally used for instant recovery purposes, but taken in long cycles during strength training to help with workout recovery and build muscle mass. Cyclists aren't interested in bulk -- they worry about weight nearly as much as jockeys -- and if you've ever taken a look at their upper bodies, you know they're not doing a lot of lifting. A cyclist rifling the medicine cabinet for a quick fix would have been far more likely to get a transfusion, take a blood-boosting substance like EPO, or pop some speed -- all of which are now easily detectable in doping tests. There's no doubt that athletes do stupid things and are fully capable of taking an ill-advised or possibly ineffective drug in a given situation, but a number of experts raised their eyebrows over this result, which didn't recur in Landis' two subsequent tests at the Tour."

Landis' backup doping test result expected Saturday

By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Writer
August 1, 2006

PARIS (AP) -- Tour de France champion Floyd Landis is expected to learn the results of his second doping test Saturday, and even if that sample is positive it could take weeks to decide if he will be stripped of his title.

Analysis of the "B" sample is expected to take place Thursday through Saturday at the Chatenay-Malabry lab outside Paris, the International Cycling Union said Tuesday.

If the "B" sample is negative, Landis would be cleared. If it is positive, which his lawyers expect, he could be stripped of his Tour victory and banned for two years. Landis could become the first Tour winner to lose the title in a doping case.

He will be given "due process" to defend himself before an arbitration panel -- which could delay any possible penalties -- if he continues to deny the allegations, UCI president Pat McQuaid said.

"It could take weeks," McQuaid told The Associated Press by telephone. If the test is confirmed, no penalties could be decided "until the disciplinary process is completed."

It could take even longer if the case goes to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Landis tested positive for an unusually high ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following the 17th stage of the Tour de France, where he staged a remarkable comeback in the Alps to make up for a poor performance the day before.

The American cyclist has insisted that his body's natural metabolism -- not doping -- caused the result, and said he would undergo further tests to prove it.

The New York Times reported Monday that tests on Landis' "A" sample show some of the testosterone in his system was synthetic, putting his defense into question. The report cited a person at the UCI with knowledge of the result.

McQuaid said he had not seen the lab findings, and could not confirm the news report. He and other UCI officials said the union's rule book restricts release of such information.

"It's big news, certainly, but it doesn't change the protocol," McQuaid said. "It's not our policy to give out details about such cases."

UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani insisted the results of the test are confidential and no one at the governing body would have leaked results to the Times.

Landis' personal doctor, Dr. Brent Kay, of Temecula, Calif., said he hoped the results of Landis's carbon isotope ratio test and of the initial T/E test were false positives, the Times said. He did, however, acknowledge that the initial test found a ratio of 11:1 in Landis's system. He and Landis are seeking an explanation for that high level.

The results were expected to be released Saturday morning, Carpani said. The UCI asked the French lab to speed up its analysis before it closes for the holidays, officials said.

"The longer it goes until the 'B' sample is tested, the more speculation, and the more denial and the more of everything that goes on," McQuaid said.

Landis' lawyers in Spain filed an official request for the "B" test late Monday. The UCI had already filed its own request earlier Monday because of concerns about the case dragging on.

Landis' Swiss-based team, Phonak, said it wants the results as quickly as possible.

"The sooner that's done, the better it will be for the team," said Phonak team manager John Lelangue, who declined to answer any other questions.

On Friday, Landis said he would "explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence."

But after determining that Landis' ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone was more than twice the limit of 4:1, the lab performed a carbon isotope ratio test on the first of Landis' two urine samples to determine whether it's natural or synthetic, the Times reported.

UCI lawyer Philippe Verbiest confirmed that an isotope test had taken place, but refused to indicate the ratio or provide any other details of the first lab test.

Oscar Pereiro of Spain, the Tour de France runner-up, would be declared the winner if Landis loses the Tour de France title.

Associated Press writer Jean-Luc Courthial in Paris contributed to this report.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=AqSg06jhiN4ljZE80aYvkft.grcF?slug=ap-landis-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns

I heard from someone that not only was his testosterone more than twice the legal limit, but it was nearly 3 times-- 11:1.

If the B sample comes back clean, someone has a lot of explaining to do.

I hope it's clean. :-\

It isn't clean. Floyd's backup urine sample confirmed high levels of testosterone.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060805/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_landis_doping

Disappointing. But I guess it's not all that surprising in todays world of cheaters and greed.

Typical.  Justin Gatlin, Floyd Landis, and anyone coached by Trevor Graham all getting nailed in a week's time.

Way to represent your country, idiots.

It's not so simple nor only one country this is happening in. Many other countries are "representing" under the radar for now. The world is full of idiots.

Oh I know.  But still, way to go guys.  Not only are you drugging yourselves up, but you're also getting caught doing it.  Under the radar doping: immoral and illegal.  Getting caught doping: immoral, illegal, AND stupid.

ahah.

no, we just don't like cheaters. Landis is, and Lance was.

he was just more lucky.

read the specialists comments about the *surhuman* efforts in the tour de france.
no one can develop this power, or maybe Hulk or Superman.  :hihi:

So by that comment, you are saying that everyone cheats in the Tour de France? Whether they get caught or not? Cause if Landis got caught and Lance did cheat then I guess everyone else is cheating too. There are no clean riders, right?

Cheaters get caught. If Lance was doping for 6-7 years, someone other than small French organizations would've noticed. Landis may have cheated, but insulting Lance is downright wrong. What made him so amazing was his experiences battling cancer, which gave him focus and determination. Plus he only had one ball. Maybe that helps.

Well, racing IS all about aerodynamics.

That and a little synthetic help never hurt :hihi:

When you've only got one ball you don't need steroids.

Okay guys, let's not start to derail this thread and turn it into a waste please.

of course not. there's just some of them who get caught.
cheaters still have some advance in technologies so you can't detect products.
but yes after some years "small French organizations" controled him positive.  :hihi:
so....

Watch The Tonight Show with Jay Leno tonight, Landis is going to be on the program.

I just can't see how you can prove a statement like yours as fact. How are you absolutely sure or prove the race cannot be won without cheating/drugs?

because specialists who registered efforts between the tour can say
without any doubt it's impossible for a human being to do that.

if you compare landis efforts with other people, you just find the same
performances with guys who took EPO in the 90s.

Some breaking news concerning Floyd Landis today.......

Report: Lab in Landis case made 'administrative error' on 'B' sample

November 15, 2006

PARIS (AP) -- The French anti-doping lab that tested American cyclist Floyd Landis' urine samples made an "administrative error" when reporting its findings on his backup "B" sample, the French newspaper Le Monde reported Wednesday.

The newspaper cited unnamed sources as saying the Chatenay-Malabry laboratory gave the wrong number in its report about Landis' second sample. Tests on the rider's two samples indicated that Landis had elevated levels of testosterone in his system when he won the Tour de France in July.

In its report, the lab wrote that the "B" sample tested was number 994,474, while the actual number was 995,474, Le Monde said.

"The error, of an administrative nature, does not mean the positive B sample was not that of the American," Le Monde said. "But it is being used today by his lawyers ... to contest his positive doping results."

The lab referred questions to the French anti-doping agency, when contacted Wednesday by The Associated Press. Its secretary general, Philippe Dautry, said the agency had no official comment and that it was not for him to say whether an error had occurred with the sample's number. He said the agency would respond when Landis' case is heard.

Landis' attorney, Howard Jacobs, has already alleged that the French lab made repeated errors in its analyses, including mismatched sample code numbers.

In a letter sent to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency in September, Jacobs said the positive finding on the "B" sample came from a sample number not assigned to Landis.

"It's incredibly sloppy," Jacobs said at the time. "It has to make you wonder about the accuracy of the work."

On Sunday, Landis said in a French television interview that the lab made crucial errors in his tests.

"Even the best people make mistakes," he said. "I can't say that the lab is always a bad lab, but I can say that in this case it made some mistakes ... I did not take testosterone."

Le Monde's report came a day after French authorities said they are investigating a complaint that hackers stole data from computers at the same lab in an attempt to discredit the lab's credibility.

Tour de France organizers no longer consider Landis the Tour champion. He will contest the test results at an arbitration hearing in the United States. If found guilty of doping, he would be formally stripped of the title and face a two-year ban.

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Landis should sue for millions of dollars,this error cost him his career and robbed him of an amazing accomplishment.

firstly the test still shows him as being positive and secondly he has no right to claim millions of dollars because a) cyclists don't earn anywhere near that amount, b) The courts don't work like that here in europe (thank god).....

With sponsors, they certainly make millions of dollars easily.

They linked the wrong test with him though, So someone elses dirty test got mistaken for Landis' test.

His reputation and career are finished thanks to incompetence and they should have to pay for what they've done to his career.

Landis was doped. I don't see why they should pay him anything.