Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Who is it, and why?

I say my favorite KC Royals. They have lost 100 games in 3 of the past 4 years. A record. They are in rebuilding mode, but are old, have no speed, no power, and are slow. And no pitching. Worst record in MLB so far this year. Any other nominations?

I think you are right too

As far as combined records, yes the current Kansas City Royals are the worst.

But, if you want single team records, the 1960 mets with 120 losses and the 2003 Detroit Tigers with 119 losses are the worst teams of all time.

The Royals are on pace to break that record.  They are on pace to lose about 140 games!

theres too many bad teams, you can even though the tampa bay devilrays among the worst.  i mean all you hear is how their building toward the future, but eventually enough is enough

New York Yankees


210 million dollar payroll and still struggle.


KC,TB are small markets so its hard for them to compete

Yankees have by far the biggest payroll and still have a hard time, they should destroy everyone.

I would say the Marlins but the talent is there they just have to develop.

I think Krispy Kreme was right. KC bad now and no hope for the future.

At least for a change its not my damn Mets

I'd say the Royals are the worst team in Major League Baseball this year.  They really don't have anything going for them.  Even Mike Sweeny has gotten off to a bad start.  However, the worst franchise in baseball has to be the Devil Rays.  They've been in the league since 98 and have never even come close to sniffing the playoffs.  They've only finished above last place once.  They have a terrible stadium to play in also.  If baseball could drop one team it should definitely be them.  I know this debate hasn't been discussed in a fe years, but I'm still for dropping a couple franchises from the league.  As a follow up question...which franchises if any do you guys and gals think should be dropped from the league?

D you must be on shrooms!  The Yankees have been in the playoffs for the last 9 consecutive years.  Only the Braves can top that.  Jst because they don't win 120+ gamesa year doesn't mean they struggle.  Sorry but I don't consider a team that is currently in 1st place the worst in baseball.

First I agree the Yawkees aren't the worst team in baseball however they are the best choke artists in the history of baseball, gotta give'em props for that. Secondly their tied for 1st place with Red Sox who will beat em tonight, thats a given. Now Lastly the Yawkees have the most expensive payroll in baseball argutively one of the best line-ups in baseball for the past 6 years, of course i dont agree with that, but they haven't won a championship in the last 6 years and thats where the problem lies for most baseball fans, unlike myself most people think these guys should be winning with that kind of talent, personally I'm glad their not as F-Rod's a cheater, i mean its on film, and the anti-christ can go to hell cuz thats exactly where he belongs.

Choke : the official soft drink of the new york yankees.? :smoking:

P.S. The royals are the worst club in baseball right now, its a given. Well besides the yawkees.

I'll give you the choke artist part because obviously they choked on it pretty hard last year and the year before and the year before.....

NY can spend a billion dollars on their everyday lineup and they may have the same results because the pitching isn't there and neither are the role players.  Nobody bunts, steals bases, hits sac flys, etc.  They live and die with the long ball and they have been dying with it in the post-season.

Overpaying for people and not winning the championship isn't choking, its bad management.

Look up choke in a baseball dictionary and you will find this:

(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2001/1008/photo/c_buckner_i.jpg)

Up by 1 run in the bottom of the 10th. 2 outs and an 0-2 count with the bases empty, and the RedSox find away to lose that game and than 2 nights later blow a 3-0 lead.

Actually Choking is when you go into a League Championship Series with every media outlet backing you, you take a 3-0 lead in this said series than you lose said series 4-3. You can say all you want about the red sox choking but you will never be able to deny this:

The New York Yawkees are the only team in the history of MLB that have ever been up a series 3-0 and lost that series therefore they are the biggest choke artists in the history of baseball. I belive papers around the world had the word choke written in the headline at least my local paper did: "Yankees CHOKE, Red Sox somehow win series 4-3".

And just for good measure I'll once again include my statement from before:

Choke : the official soft drink of the new york yankees.? :smoking:
^^its a T-shirt and its great.  : ok:

That was definitely a choke by the Yankees, I'm not arguing that.

I would rank that as #1b. If it happened in the World Series it easily would be the worst.

Being up 3-2 with a lead in the bottom of the 10th, needing 1 strike to end what was than a 68 year drought, in my opinion was the worst choke in baseball. Well, there was that big lead the Cubs blew in the '69 season as well.

Worst team on the field in the last 5 years has been the KC Royals, Every year they seem to be 10 games back and out of contention in the END OF MAY. They are on pace to loose 118 games this season.

Worst team in the last decade for me would be the Tigers, Year after year they start out decent and then drop like rocks in water, being a fan of them its hard to watch them even now, when they are second best in the AL, because I know they will get to a point where they will drop 8 or 9 in a row and 14 of 16 and be out of contention.

Worst Market would of been Montreal but sense they finally moved, it would definently be Tampa Bay I don't think people in the city care or rally for the team at all, besides having the smallest payroll, they play in the same division as the Red Sox and Yankees.  Not to mention every few years the Oriole's and Blue Jays make a solid run. Yankes and BoSox are in contention for the division title every year.  They can call it rebuilding but in 20 years the Devil Rays will still not be a contender.  Maybe after the Marlins move out west (sense they can't get a baseball only stadium in Miami) then people in Florida would turn to the Devil Rays. 

Marlins are the only club that can win it all, gut the team, rebuild and win it all agin 5 years later, and then gut the club again.

Hardest Up Fans would have to be Cubs fans as they havnt won it all in almost 90 years, and then a few years back they have a chance to go to the worlds series and one of their own fans screw them.  And playing in the only 6 team division baseball doesn't help their chances.

Most over paid player in baseball would be Alex Rodiquiz 3B from the Yankees, for the money they spent on getting him from the Rangers he really hasnt tipped the team that much. 

Alex could win MVP every year and still not be worth $25 million.

The Mets re-structured Glavines contract yesterday setting aside nearly $5 million. With their rash of injuries to the starting staff, dont be surprised if this is the first step in acquiring Zito from the A's.

KC Royals!

19 game losing streak last year, second longest streak in history.
13 game losing streak this year, preceded by an 11 game losing streak this year. Only team to have 10+ losing streaks in first two months of season.
On pace to  lose 125 games, topping the Mets' 120 losses.
Rebuilding for 12 years. A youth movement in which batters 2-6 average 35.5 years  of age.
No speed, no power.
No starting pitching, no bullpen.
No defense.
Pathetic.

we only get two games a week on telly in britain and they start at like 2am, but for my money its florida.

they are fucking clown shoes.

Finally, the Royals fired their GM and will start over (again). They will lose 100 game  again this year, for the 4th time in 5  years, a major league  record, but at least  this new GM is respected  and there is some hope that the team will be  respectable  at  some point in the near future.

The World Health Organization has changed the official symbol for choking.  Please make note of it.

Old sign: http://www.seattlest.com/attachments/seattle_dan/mini-choking%20man44.jpg

New sign: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~loh/personal/pics/Sticker_YankeesLogo_inv.gif

Not my Mets.  :smoking: But seriously, the Royals are just completely embarassing. At least the Marlins are showing some type of moving forward and building for the future (a plan that has been working for them in the past).

Royals are just completely hapless and their ineptitude is more based on a lack of trying by the players and laxidasical ownership. Royals are not just a bad team. They are a tragic story.

Coulden't of said it better myself, they don't even try.

They (the Royals) are old and bad too.  That's a bad combination.

For the Royals fans of the world.  Or fan, as the case may be.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49108

Well, my Royals have [finally] fired the worst  GM in the history of baseball, and hired a highly respected  man who may actually have a chance of returning respectability to KC. That  is, if the cheapskate owner does  not interfere. Who ever thought that the owner/chairman  of Walmart would be a good baseball owner? He sells cheap stuff in his stores and he runs a cheap baseball operation.

other than the Yankees, arne't they the only multiple WS Champions the last 10 years, and on a shoe string budget??  This year they may be down but they did just have their every 5 year fire sale...

Gotta give it to the Royals....they have a cheap owner, stupid GM, and the owrst roster of middle aged, MLB rejects assembled.....

I could put together a better baseball team.....if your gonna go the cheap route, might as well use your farm systemand let the kids play

Yeah, you are right
97: Marlins
98: Yankees
99: Yankees
00: Yankees
01: Diamondbacks
02: Angels
03: Marlins
04: Red Sox
05: White Sox

I gotta go with the majority on this one: The Royals are the worst team in baseball.  And by a lot.  It's actually TOUGH to be worse than their record, but they are.  They don't deserve the few wins they have.....and given the output of their line up, I'm surprised they've won as many as they have.

they did play the spankees pretty tough when they were in NY, and i'm a Yankees fan ::)

The worst team in baseball are the Royals.. thats a fact because of their record.

But the Florida Marlins are the worst team in baseball in my opinion. Why? The record is pretty bad, but thats not why, just look at what that franchise has done since they won the World Series a few years back. They fired the manager, got rid of a BUNCH of good players like Beckett and Rodriguez(sp?), and are thinking about moving the franchise now.

Doesn't get much worse.. oh wait, it does :P

They also have there only good pitcher, Dontrelle Willis, on the trading block.. and he'll probably be gone by the trading deadline.. same thing with there star hitter Cabrera. They have absolutly no idea what they are doing, unless there goal is to lose fans and destroy a franchise :-\

Yeah, but they did the same exact thing after they won the World Series in 97.  And it totally worked.  Many of the players that helped them win in 2003 were players they aquired after completely overhauling the team after 97.  The Marlins have won 2 World Serieses and they've only been a franchise since 93.  They're also one of only three franchises to win multiple World Series since 1990 (Marlins 2, Blue Jays 2, Yankees 4).  The Florida Marlins know what they are doing.  They are excellent when it comes to their farm system and player develoment.  And they already have some good young players coming up to the big leagues.  Just wait a couple more years.  They'll be contenders again before you know it.

Heh heh....my friends and I were talking about this the other day.  They could film the Marlins season and release it as another "Major League" movie.  It almost seems like they're rehashing the plot of the original...minus the success, of course.

The Marlins ownership is a joke. They are getting somewhere close to $40 million dollars from Baseballs profit sharing plan but are fielding a team with a payroll of about $16 million dollars. SOmethings wrong there.

However the players are for real, don't overlook them because you dont recognize their names. This is a good young team that just needs experience. Over their last ten games only the Mets and A's have a better record. Its not too far fetched to see them finishing 3rd in that division. Washington has been hot lately but look at them to dump salary come the trading deadline, and this looks like it will finally be the year that the Braves fall. Of course the Marlins will need to keep Cabrera and Dontrelle for this to happen. The Mets were a possible landing spot for Cabrera but with the success of Lastings Milledge they probably wont make that move unless Cliff Floyd continues to slump miserably. Either of the Bay teams in California are the leading candidates to land Dontrelle. I would lean towards Oakland as they will need a good, cheap replacement for Barry Zito who will probably be traded as he is a free agent at the end of the year.

Kansas City is just old and bad. Their individual ERA leader has a 5.09 ERA.

Same in KC. The ownership collects revenue sharing and puts nothing into the team. There needs to be a minimum salary floor, as in the NFL, in order  to make the league more competitive. It  is not just the Royals and Marlins, but MLB that is screwed up, and we can thank Mr Bud Selig for that. He has been an abysmal commissioner. I don't even know how  or why he was selected. He is a joke and needs to be replaced by a professional who can serve the sport and do something to revserse its downward trend.

ROYALS SWEEP THE PIRATES. The Pirates are now the most  pathetic team in MLB. Welcome to the Jungle, baby!

I agree the lowly Pirates and Royals are the worst NL/AL teams.
  Everyone seems to be selling the Marlins short.  I'm a lifelong Mets fan(It's our year!) :yes: ;D but I live in South Florida, so I see and hear about the Marlins everyday.  And watching them recently has reminded me of what happened in '02/'03.  Rebuilding after the fire sale by shitty ownership.  Talented young players developing quickly, will take everyone by surprise within a couple of years.  Jeremy Hermida, Hanley Ramirez, Mike Jacobs + Dontrelle and Miggy Cabrera?  They won't be in the basement forever like the Royals and Pirates.  If only the would build a stadium in Ft. Lauderdale or Palm Beach County.  Then the team would have a real fan base.


(my 100th post, and its sports!)

Well I was born in Pittsburgh and love my Steelers and Peguins (atleast until they move, if that happens), and I love the Pirates.  But the Pirates are really pathetic, and have a terrible owner.  They have IMO the best ballpark, but nothing to put on it to watch.  I wish they would sell the team to Mark Cuban (a native of the area) and he'd make them legit again.  But Cuban said he would only buy it if they were to be moved out of Pittsburgh.  But I will say this the best and worst thing that happened to the Pirates was Barry Bonds.  They should have brought Jim Leyland back to manage.  Oh well, Steelers training camp opens soon.

I agree about the Pirates....and the Steelers!  Go Pittsburgh./...looks like Rothlisberger may come out of this a better person and appreciate what he has now, rather than the twighlight of his career

royals have won 15 of 22 and now are no longer the worst in MLB. At last.

IMO, definitely the Pirates.

I would love to see them start to sell some players, like Bay and possibly Oliver Perez and Mike Gonzalez. It would be a freaking dream come true to see Gonzalez and Bay in a Yankee uniform. :drool:

The city of Pittsburgh did a great job hosting the game, and the stadium is beautiful. I always liked the Pirates (we are family) and I hope they become respectable again. It would be good for the game.

in my personal opinion padres  :hihi:

Gotta be the Pirates or my beloved Cubbies  :'(

lol it has to be kc royals

i'll go with yankees .. yes the yankees. overpriced and choke way too much. for that kinda money players getting paid should be winning championships year in and out! :beer:

What does that make the team that just lost 5 straight in their home park to the Yankees?

KC Royals

After starting 16-47 (!!) they have been playing about .500 ball (which in KC is like a miracle) and there is some hope under the new GM. Also, they are battling out Tampa for the worst record in baseball.

I think as the season winds down, "worst" has to include not only the W-L record, but also the organization, the direction it is going, and the prospects for the future. The Royals have  some great young talent on the way. So I don't think that they are worst anymore. (At least until next seaons starts  :hihi:)

Young talent that they will promptly trade instead of tying up to a long term deal before they become eligible for free agency.

Johnny Damon
Carlos Beltran

Remember them?

Every single day. What can I say, David Glass is a fool. Maybe now he has  learned  his lesson and will do the right  thing by the fans and the franchise. He did lock up Berrora for 4 years, and look how that turned out. Almost every free agent turned out to be an expensive mistake. Just can't catch a break.

And the end-of-season answer is: Tampa Bay.

Kansas City only had one more win than them. Kansas City must have been playing hard last few weeks to beat out tampa Bay.  :hihi:

What are they going to do with Tampa?  That team will never be able to compete, espechally with the Yanks and Red Sox in their division.

I'm suprised people even go to their games anymore. :(

Not too many do. 

Tampa Bay is just a bad example of the monarch like-system baseball has. There's basically no room for them to move up. Financial or otherwise.

Well, one  more win is one more win. We have so little to cheer in KC that we'll take the one more win. And by the way, the Royals collapsed the last 2 weeks of the season after Bell got sick and there were injuries, so the 'one win more' could have been more. And don't I sound pathetic defending  the second worst team in baseball? :hihi:

Given they swept the last series with Detroit, I'm not sure you could say they COMPLETELY collapsed the final 2 weeks... :)

Bet those wins over Detroit are looking pretty good to you KC fans right now!

Please show me where I used the word "completely" in my description.

Oh god...we're going to argue semantics?? Really? My god, man.

You said they collapsed the final 2 weeks of the season.? I was pointing out that it wasn't TOO bad, and wasn't a COMPLETE collapse, because they won 3 straight, against the eventual AL champs for Christ sake,? to end it up.? But, if we must argue semantics....

They were 62-100, for a .383 winning percentage, for the season.

Over the final 2 weeks they were 4 - 9, for a .308 winning %.? ?And the final week, they were 4-4, or dead .500. And they won 3 straight, matching their longest streak of the year, and against a  Tiger team that actually had something to play for.? ?Yes, they had 8 losses in a row during that 2 weeks. Yes, it was the longest losing streak of the season.? Yes, that sucks and is a collapse of sorts.? I was simply trying to console you, actually, and say that it's not all that bad....

Jesus Christ....there's certainly no reason to get pissy.

It is not "semantics." You stated: "I'm not sure you could say they COMPLETELY collapsed." I never used the word completely and thus it is false attribution. If you quote people correctly there is no problem. So don't get pissy on me.

 ::)

Whatever, dude.  You wanna get pissy, be my guest.

Next time, instead of trying to engage you in conversation, or console you, I'll just remember who I'm dealing with and continue onward.

Must get lonely in one way conversations, eh?

That sounds perfect. In fact, several months ago I clearly expressed my desire not to interact with you. Some people learn more slowly than others. Thus, we are agreed: you leave me alone, and I will you. And by the way, thanks for killing what was an ongoing interesting thread.

Once again, whatever dude.? ::)? I didn't realize you were so hung up on me that you'd respond by flipping out and getting pissy over such a nothing comment.? Who knew you were that sensitive or you were that concerned with what I have to say.

But if you think I killed the thread....you might want to re-read your responses.? Why would anyone want to continue to discuss ANYTHING with you when you get pissy and combative over a throw away, completely innocuous comment?? Had you left it alone for what it was I doubt people would have suddenly stopped talking so quickly....

Oh, and I can only assume you mean, when you say you "clearly expressed my desire not to interact with you" you mean with this quote (which, in itself, speaks volumes):

 
which you made after being proven wrong in the Admin section.? ?You seem to have a history of not being able to deal with contrary opinion and remarks (or anything even closely resembling them).? I'll refer you back to that same admin thread, from several months ago, as to your best course of action in remedying that.... You're right about one thing: Some people do learn more slowly than others.? And some  people (me, for instance) don't obsess on (or even notice) the user who posted when we make an innocuous, throw away comment about BASEBALL, of all things.? Somehow I'll bet, given your response, you can't say the same thing....

Oh, and for the record...we're not agreed.? I'll comment on any damn thing I want as long as jarmo affords me the right to post on this privately owned and operated message board.? I just won't engage you in conversation or try to console you.? "Leave you alone"?? Wow, I'll bet you fail to appreciate the irony of THAT statment.

Toodles.

Too bad I didn't know about this thread during the season....the answer is my beloved Pittsburgh Pirates.