Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Hey Mods...

This is getting a little crazy with you forcing people to post under the same one thread for a show...who the hell has time to tread through 50 pages of comments - all on different things - with the only commonality being that there is mention of a particular show...

This is supposed to be a message forum but you're turning it into somewhere where people aren't free to post and discuss, rather be relegated to tacking onto already wandering postes full of one liners that take twists and turns that no one is going to read through where posts easily get missed and go unread.

I posted a topic about Canadians going to any particular shows, out of curiosity to see how many people from the place I live will be venturing out of the country to catch Guns N Roses shows.  I don't see how locking my thread and telling me to post t the end of other threads helps that discussion along...what, you want me to post a comment at the end of all 30 threads of all the different shows that no one will probably read through because they're already so long?

Loosen the reigns a little dudes!  I can't believe the level of censorship on a Guns n Fuckin Roses message board, it's a shame.

um i don't want to start a huge argument but i just want to say that if the mods did what u said we would have a million threads about the same shows....

Also, this thread is on the wrong section. :hihi:

So?

Then people would post several comments at the end of each thread, as people read them, post, and they loose relevance they will drop off the page, then the next page, then the next page...that's the way message forums are supposed to work!

Not some hyper organized mess with threads that have 50+ pages. ?That's useless.

Guns N' Roses
Everything GN'R related, including discussions about present members.

(i dont think this includes "whos going to a show from canada")  : ok:

Why not?? How is who's going go a Guns N Roses show from Canada not about Guns N Roses?  It's about Guns N Roses and the band containing it's present members...I'd say that falls under "everything Guns N Roses related"

bacause its not about guns n roses,its about the poeple going to see guns n roses.i dont want to come and see the latest gossip on guns n roses and have to look through 50 pages of "im from philly,who wants to share a road trip with me to the new york shows".  nobody does and thats why rules are set out.this is a very active board and needs rules like this  :peace:

The board needs less rules.  A board that has 9 sticky's in it's main forum, may of which are posted to regularly?? sticky's are supposed to be for thigns ilke reminders, rules - not contain some of the most active threads on the board!!

Let people intereste dictate what stays on page 1.  If no one is into it, in 30 mins it'll be off the main page because no one cared to post in it...funny how everyone's so eagerly anticipating an album called chinese democracy as this board is turning into a dictatorship!

if the board had less rules then there would be more useless threads like the one previousely stated  :peace:

its not your board get over it....

its not run by the government and the admin can do whatever the hell he pleases.

and you're breaking the rules again by not posting in the administration section

for crying out loud

Dude have you forgotten how message boards are supposed tto work?? if a topic isn't popular it won't stay on the main pages, and you won't have to read through it - simple as that.

Every board is different.

Some rules here I like, others I do not.

Such is life.

oh ya and last i knew jarmo didnt try to exterminate the jews or take over the world

Well he didn't exterminate the jews anyway.........

i think youll find this message board works 100 %.your fighting a loosing battle so give up.the rules are set so go and enjoy yourself posting in threads and posting topics that are relevent to the board rules ?:peace:

oh right there was that one time....we dont talk about that much round here anymore

I had chicken parmesan for dinner.? It was really good.

Liar!

You think this message board works 100%? ?No it does't douche. ?I don't think it does - so how can it work 100%? ?Whether you agree with my opinino or not I'm a part of it.

not for long  : ok:

Oh right, i forgot, you ban and censor the things that you don't agree with....riiiight.  Not like the Nazi's at all now is it...

Why are you trying to put a monkey in the wrench?

ya its not like the nazis at all




...its like rules

What's wrong with standing up and voicing my opinion??

Man, you guys! ?Too funny. ?You idolize axl for him saying whatever the hell he wants when he wants and non-conformity - but when people do it here, oh my, it's wrong wrong wrong let's ban them!!

you are such a fucking hippie dude grow up get over it its a message board

listen bigfoot (cool name by the way),if its attention your after then search the net for some breaking GNR news and post it in this section ?: ok: instead of trying to get attention by yapping on about he nazis and shit.

We have a rebel over here in the Nazi Moderators thread. ?Breaker, breaker. ?Come in, over.

im just trying to get my post count to vip status so when i post my fake news from my fake insiders people will believe me

I'm stating my point. Bugger off if you don't like it, stop ?posting in this thread, and it will disappear! ?Simple as that. ?That's how it's supposed to work.

rebel-no ? attention seeker-YES ?:yes:

I hear ya big chicken parmesean dinner, over..........

your story is sooooo tragic you had a topic locked dear lord the nazis march again quick everyone out of poland shit has hit the fan

i had beef in yorkshire pudding ?:drool:

any way bigfoot is right,stop posting here and it will dissapear and eventually get locked. ?ta ta

SLC, what did you have?

alright bigfoot you win

Who saw scary movie 4??

Freedom fries served up with a side of heavy sarcasm..............

i did,not as funny as the others but i liked the part where the baseball hit her in the face and she said "its ok,ive taken balls to my face before"  :rofl: .also when leslie neilson says "ok kids,now for rumpled foreskin" (im laughing while i type this  :hihi: )

i agree...not only that but worst than the moderators are the dicks that sit here all day and have nothing better than look at this board all day to find something that a new poster has done wrong cause it makes them feel good about themselves i guess. ?They all talk about how they hope gnrs new album is gonna be huge...well then can help out by not being assholes to the people that are trying to find out some info on the new cd, and might not know their way around the forums that well

I agree with him actually. I never said anything because it's my choice to use the forum as it is.
But I do want to say that I'm a very active member of another forum (not GNR related) and it's a very organized one. But the big difference is that the moderators only help moving the topics to the right section (if they're posted in the wrong one that is) and/or only get involved or close the topic if it's reported. Other than that, everyone's free to start new threads about whatever they want because we know people are smart enough to use common sense. Even if it's a thread with a similar title and/or subject, it usually becomes unique. That way, the original post of each thread doesn't get lost in 60+ pages!
Anyway..... That's only my 2 cents! : ok:

this message board is the best run guns n' roses message board on the internet.

you are a barnacle on the hub of it's genius.

but this is a GNR section of a GNR board and is used for news on GNR and nothing else.there are places on this board for every type of topic.i cant see what the problem is.bigfoot started a thread about canadians goin to the 2006 tour and was told to do it in the TOUR section,wheres the nazi in that

I moved this because, apparently, I'm a nazi.  :hihi:


You want everybody to be able to start new threads? One problem, page one will be filled with useless threads about the same things. All the "real" discussions will be bumped down to page two etc.

What happens next? People will start new threads because the ones they're looking for aren't one page one.




/jarmo

No, I disagree with you...you're trying to force the "real" conversations instead of letting the people of the board vote for what they want with their responses...social engineering, power tripping, whatever you want to call it...true, it's your board it's your right, I really just wish you would take the high road and lighten up a bit.

Moving this post (that was getting quite a response) to this section will effectively kill it - who the hell comes to this section?? like you wanted to.

Dude, it used to be a better board, you're going overboard, and yeah you're gonna have a bunch of yes men and posters without brains of their own agreeing with you, but mygnrforum, roses of velvet, and others are more active now because people like me are moving away from this board and your mods' overzealous cencensorshit.  It'll carry on but as a die hard gnr fan who likes seeing people's opinions expressed freely, you're killing the board man.

^ dude. your a total lameo.

hows that for nazism?  : ok:

the only response this topic was getting was a discussion about what poeple had for tea or weather poeple had seen scary movie 4 or not.when a topic like this one pops up in the GNR section,it gets full with sarcastic comments and wastes poeples time who read through it trying to find the point of it.we are the ones with the brains,and this board is far superior to those you mentioned (not licking arse but im a member of all the boards and i find this one works better because of its censorship) ?: ok:

You couldn't be farther from the truth, and you obviously just came here today for the purpose of starting trouble and getting attention for something else......

You under estimate the fact that Jarmo has run a forum for 390 years, and he's seen how quickly something can sloppy and a bitch for the regulars to read. Mygnrforum is a fucking mess, dude, horribly organized, information not marked at all. You might think that means it's busier, it just means it's a lot harder to read and manage. As for rosesofvelvet, come back here when you celebrate YOUR 3 year anniversary and let us know how that's going......

Dude you going to be in new york on the 12th - 15th? I wanna give you a smack...

You don't like what I have to say so you want to smack me?

Sounds like censorship........

Were you guys aware that Jarmo started this forum in 1933....  :o!?

The very same year Hitler and the Nazi party came to power in Germany!

 :nervous:

I remember, he had that little mustache picture avatar the day it first went online

 :hihi:

I agree every topic should be in the right section..... I have no problem with that and even hate it when people don't do it. ?:P But I was talking about threads being closed because a similar thread had been started before. It just creates huge threads in which sub-topics get lost.

theres no need for the attitude dude.if jarmo had come on here and said "i dont want this topic in this thread,im gonna smack you bigfoot" you wouldnt have liked it.

any way,i can see you getting banned soon with comments like that so keep it in dude and enjoy your stay at the hotel HTGTH ?:beer:

would you rather come here and siv through 50 100page long threads to find what you were after or look through probebly about 8-10 threads for all the latest news on GNR?coz if similar topics werent merged then the board would be full of topics about the same subject

It was called a joke - he isnt going to get banned. ?Dont take yourself so seriously. ?This is why I hate some newbies!? ?You come in with like 40 posts and think you can change the whole board into a better place?! No. ?It dosent work like that. ?You need to build up some respect. ?

You dont think Jarmo and EVERY OTHER MOD has been called a NAZI before?! ?Gosh... for just about every rule there is one person who wants to come in and break it. ?Get the hell over it. ?If you dont like the rule... break it, PM jarmo or GET THE FUCK OVER IT BECAUSE NO-ONE CARES. ? ;) ?Either way it isnt going to change. ?Jarmo obviously made the rules for a reason and not just to piss you off.

I dont like some rules here, too bad, I just obey them and everyone is happy. You had better learn that aswell.

Man you shouldn't obey them if you dont like them...what is this work?

I'm posting cause I've been reading the board for years, but lately it's sad to see what it's turning into...

What so I should just not obey ANY RULES!  Because I dont like them!  GOOD IDEA MAN!!!  Im gonna go and speed and drink drive and then go and swear at a cop.  Wow think of all the things I could do without rules?!

 ::)

Seriously, I may not like them but still jarmo made them for a REASON, not just to piss me off?!  SLC isnt allowed to go around posting pictures and nothing else.  As funny as it is... hes not allowed to do it all the time because its a RULE.  It has a PURPOSE... to keep the board an actual MESSAGE board. 

Maybe jarmo knows we are going to keep getting more and more newbies and we need to make the rules a bit stricter.  I have found that within the last month probably we have alot of newbies posting random stuff because they havent read the rules, i did it.  But jarmo knows what will happen.

We have the rules for a reason.  Go make your own GNR board without rules and see how well it goes!  ;)

We've always moved posts that were complaints/compliments (there was one on 1998 I think) here in the Admin section. Not because we're trying to 'kill' the threads. But because this has nothing to do with GN'R, and people reading the GN'R section, usually expect to read stuff about GN'R.

And we don't delete/lock posts just because we don't agree with someone. That would be just stupid. Sure we might lock a topic called "Axl's tits" but if that's the kind of thing you'd want to write about then, no, we will propably not give you the opportunity to discuss it here. And some call it Nazism, I just think it's keeping the board at least remotely sane.

(gotta go now, but I'll post more later if you feel your rights have been violated. I'm sure others will comment as well.)

thats it right there in 13 words

"nothing to do with GN'R"-
" GN'R section"-
"expect to read stuff about GN'R".  :peace:

Now, you're onto something there!!

I'm not here to debate..... I'm not even gonna get into the "if you don't like it get out of here" kinda thing. I like a lot of things about this web site and the only thing I don't like so much is exactly that the threads are over watched.
I give people a little more credit than that.......
And just to answer your question, I really don't believe people would start two threads about the same topic just to be annoying. And if they did, one of them would eventually be forgotten and just one would remain updated. That's common sense and I believe most of us have it!


And I'll always agree with moving the threads to the right section!!

i understand what your sayin but poeple do start multiple topics about the same thing.take this one for instance,theres already is a topic about "hey mods,why did you move my topic".if bigfoot had searched (and read the rules) then he would have found it.but if the mods were slacker here then it would be even harder to find certain topics which would result in even more topics about the same thing.ive done it myself,but it doesnt change the fact that the rules on this board make it the best run board. :peace:

No you missed the point dude - you don't go and drink and drive...you live and let live...live and LET live. ?(or like some smartass I'm sure will post live and let die) the point being LET! ?LET people do. ?Don't make them...andwhile we're on teh point about "hey hey why don't I just drink and drive and kill people" I'm not gonna get into a philosophical debate with you but punishment as a form of deterrence is one of the least effectiev manners of enforcement there is. It's good in alot of other ways - mainly a way to maintain control and a hierirchal system - but as a form of preventing crimes etc, deterrence by punishment isn't effective.

 ???  ???  ???  oooookkkkkkkk.

ill tell you what,ill opt for the easy option......LIVE AND LET DIE  :hihi:

Please don't smack anybody. We're supposed to love each other. Now let's all hug. :)

this is like every story, there are 2 sides to every coin. i for one really agree with bigfoot, i think this board is very very athortarian (spelling??). i visit other boards not related to gnr, that are very organised and dont find half the bitching/hassle/ difficulty in finding relevance in threadsas there are pages of shit to trawl through.

bigfoot and others like him aren't a problem........what is a problem is some fuckin tit who has 3000 odd posts thinking that they have some god given right to berate "newbies"...what a crock. i have been coming to this board or (or actually the EZ board that it was at the time) since '99 i think.

now just because i don't have a lot of posts doesn't mean im a newbie, fact is i been watching the board a lot longer the say 75% of the people here....that doesn't give me any devine right either, but it does aloow me and others who don't post that often, though who do read often, the right to an opinion and to post that opinion in a way that they see fit. thats whats called DEMOCRACY (no not a chinese one!) : ok:

hope this post made sense to anyone that read the 4 pages previous, and please always think before saying things like "fuckin' newbies....." this should be a welcoming place, not one of the most hostile boards on the net

 :beer:

I dont know who you are bigfoot , but Ill be at all the shows in NYC, you wanna smack someone, look for me, you dissed a friend of mine, dont take very kindly to that..!!!!!!!!!!!! We will see who hits the floor punk.


Anyway, on topic, your whole argument is completely rediculous, and and you obviously  are more comfortable jsut talking crap than being on a board that is structured IMO, one of the best GNR sites, maybe you missed getting a GED or something. I dunno.

BUt I do know the reason for rules is to keep things organized, to keep things in a orderly fashion.

Jarmo has runa great site here for many yrs, and to call his tactic Nazism , tells me you really dont know what the word means. And its ignorant. BUt seeing as you are still not banned obiously your whole argument is fucked.

If ya dont like how things are run, like others say create your own board, or just post whatever you wish where others like your rants of nonsence. Im on basically all boards, moderated many, and rules are inplace for reasons.  You dont like em, oh well , follow them or  just go.

 

Power tripping?

That's a classic one. Just because I like to have some kind of order in the place instead of chaos, I'm a nazi on a power trip....





Obviously you have a very weird idea of what I want and what you think I want.




Can't please everyone, that's been my policy since day one.

A lot of people prefer other boards, that's cool. I don't care about that. I don't count how many members we have or compare to others.

All I know is that there are people here who do prefer this place to others. Maybe because we actually have rules and don't let bored teenagers, who think they're tough by acting "cool" on the Internet, run the place.


By the way, in most cases, the ones who call us nazis or say we're on a power trip are people who got their thread locked. Wonder if you had cared this much if I had let your "Who's going to NYC from Canada" thread be open?? ::)



One more thing to all the fans who say GN'R were against all rules blah blah blah. They made their own fucking rules and if you didn't live by them, well..... Ask Steven Adler what happened.  :hihi:




/jarmo

the only bitching here is the poeple who get their dumb threads locked.if it was in the right section or if it had any relevence to the section it was in then there would be no bitching......the situation is "think before you start a thread"

Rainx, the minute I seen this guy mention ROV, I had a feeling you or chineseblues would have something to say. Its like you guys search threads and forums where either me or ROV are mentioned. Get over it.

"Teat suckler extraordinaire, the story of Axl's teats and the women who loved them."

Coming soon to a forum near you.........

fair enough, but daily we see people express an opinion and its met with "fuck you..." or my fave "Source!". i know we get a lot of cunts on here trying to bullshit, but people get flamed here a lot for no reason, other than someone disagrees with their opinion. :-\

Poor bastard needs to spend all of his time coming up with funny MESSAGES now... ?:-\


At least there's a purpose. ?:hihi:

Hey...  :D

Great, another one just called me a nazi.

Well, as someone said, there are 2 sides to every story.

Read mine (As I'm the 2nd side to THIS story), and then let me know what you think...

1st of all a GREEK cannot be a Nazi. Read history.

Now let's recap...

Section:


bigfoot posts the following new thread:

TITLE: CANADIAN THREAD

Message:
Now someone PLEASE tell me where do you see the relevance in the section's description and the message this guy posted.

My answer before locking his thread:


(IRONY MODE ON) Now, that's what I call NAZI... (IRONY MODE OFF)

Let's all take a look at the ON TOUR section's description:


Do you see me starting a new thread about Greeks who are going to any shows?

No.

Why?

Because there are rules.

Why follow the rules?

Because this is isn't YOUR board. You get access here for free. Now, someone owns this board.

Who?

Jarmo. He sets the rules.

Like them?

Stay.

Don't?

Leave.

I don't see any nazis in this case.

All I see is someone who obviously can't read and then whines because his thread got locked and he can't get any attention.

And ofcourse, after I've proved my point I could very easily lock your thread. But I won't.

I'll let you humiliate yourself even more.

as far as the "source!" part goes, i don't think that asking fo a source on a news someone posted is that bad. this band has a lot of rumours surrounding it and it will get uglier as the shows will get closer so we can't have different threads for each person that maybe heard somethin being said about gnr.

i am reading the gnr section to find things gnr related not the meetings from different people in different countries. haw would u like it if every country had a thread in the gnr section about meetings? there would be the first 2 pages only with that and no gnr news.

as far as the 50 page threads, i agree, sort of. there's a lot of people quoting 4-5 posts and just say i agree or yes or just add a smiley. that's wrong. maybe the mods should delete those posts too because in the rules it clearly says not to post those kind of things.

but, in the end, i still chose this board cos it's the most organized one.

As far as I know, when you agree to register at some board, you also agree to follow the rules. Of course, the adm/mods assume you would actually read the board rules.

There is democracy, of course, but don't mistake it to shit in the room. You have to be social, respecting the majority of other people's desires and needs. You may think its right to post whatever you want, but this is a free place to all GNR fans, so it needs to work for all of them, not just for you.

You don't like the rules? Fine, move on, go to another board and be happy. You're not obligued to be here either. Now, that's democracy: if you don't like how jarmo run the forum, you don't have to stay here. But bitching and whinning about a rule that worked very well for the others in the past years is dumb.

Also, for people complaing about huge threads: use the search function. Is not that hard.

no it's not that hard, but when you finally find the post you're looking for and you'll want to find the post that goes on with that disscussion you'll find it 3 pages later because the thread is filled with posts like i agree, you're right, ok and stuff like that. people should think twice before posting :yes:

The reason I prefer this board over others is because it is moderated this way. I fully understand US fans getting excited about these great NY gigs, but I'm happy their eagerness to post was channeled by the moderators, making it easier to read for other fans.

I'm quite new here, although I have been lurking the forum for some time before posting, and I have to say everybody has been most welcoming.

There are a lot of GNR forums on the internet. I am sure everybody can find one they like  :beer: Good luck searching for a board with rules that you an appreciate.

I agree 100%.


Post that quote five other posts and just say "I agree" do not contribute anything to the discussion.





/jarmo

Then go find (or start) a board more to your liking....one with less rules and much more anarchy.

If you don't like the way jarmo runs the board, go post to another one.

jarmo's yard, jarmo's rules.? Don't like 'em? Go "play" somewhere else.

It's really that simple.? I'm not exactly sure why people fail to understand it.

Edit: Oh, and the Nazi comment?  It's neither particularly original nor particularly apt.  It is, however, particularly offensive.

Read up a bit on the atrocities of the Nazi party.  Learn the history a bit better.  You might be less likely to improperly bandy the term around so wrecklessly.

Eh hem....

Try to follow your own logic here, OK?

If you don't like the rules, go post at one of the myriad of forums you mention above.

If enough posters felt the same way, this forum would, effectively, die.

And the "other' forums would prosper.

So, essentially, by asking jarmo to change the way the boards are moderated to suit YOU, you are effectively doing exactly what you're accusing jarmo of (in your brain)...not letting "survival of the fittest" take place.

Of course, the real point is that this forum WON'T die because, quite frankly, it's the best and busiest on the net.  And the rules are pretty much the same as they've always been.  Under them, the site has not floudered but, really, prospered.

You can read the Admin section to see that whining about the mods accomplishes nothing.  Nothing.  You asked why you shouldn't be allowed to voice your opinion on the subject?  The answer is: you should.  Of course, then everyone should be able to voice THEIR opinions on YOUR opinion (that priviledge is not yours, alone).  What you SHOULDN'T do is expect that opinion to change anything.  What you SHOULD do is shit or get off the pot.  Either abide by the rules or go elsewhere.

i've been thinking the same thing... and i agree, the locking of threads is ridicilous, i have several examples of moderators locking a thread just so they could show some "muscle" and add a smart-ass comment to go along with it. pathetic. as long as it's on topic, let people create threads, it doesn't harm anyone.

Of course.

BIGFOOT is entitled  to share HIS opinion.

But, of course, nobody who disagrees with him is.

THERE is the problem.? People are not clear on what this board is.

The board is not a democracy.

It is owned, operated, and payed for by one person: jarmo.

It is a sole propriatorship.? Or, to stick to the government analogies, it is a monarchy (and I'm sure now the smart ass remark "dictatorship" will be made.? ::) )

You want to start making decisions?? Start your own board or...hell..see if jarmo is interested in making it a partnership with you footing some of the bills.

I see people saying "Well, I don't want to get into "accept it or leave"" discussions.? But, really, it's that simple.

You either can live with the rules, and function within the community, or you can go somewhere else that more closely fits your "style".

You wanna voice your opinion? Go for it (and accept you will have to listen to the opinion of those disagreeing with you).? But your opinion is not, just because it is yours, at all relevant to the person making the decisions...and it doesn't need to be.  Knowing that, you have a decision to make...

Moderators aren't robots.

Sometimes we get tired of people just ignoring the rules because they're too lazy to use the search. That's when you might get a sarcastic comment when a thread is locked.

When people post "I know this has been posted before but I'm too lazy to look....", how would you feel?  ::)





/jarmo

well i often tell them to not start duplicates of other threads myself, but jarmo, when someone starts a thread asking a specific question they would like answered, and some mod closes it because he/she thinks the topic is "unnecessarry" while the poster is genuinly interested in the question, do you feel that closing the thread is just?

^ No, that wouldn't be 'just', but as far as I know, people are kindly re-directed to another thread where the question was answered or discussed.

When mods lock threads, they usually ask the poster to use the search function or give a link.

Sometimes threads get locked without a message but most of you don't understand or appreciate the amount of work moderators do here, and for free, which means that I could be spending my time going to a bar, having a few drinks with friends, but no, I'm here moderating a board, cause I think it's an honour to be chosen as a mod on such a big board for my favorite band.

It's really frustrating to see that someone is so bored that he/she can't even READ the brief description of the SECTION they post in, not to mention the rules.

And this is something that happens here all the time. We're talking about 5500 members and most of them haven't even posted yet.

So many new members everyday, some are long time visitors and some have just learned how to use the internet.

The point is that everybody has the right to go through a bad time, but when it happens to mods, they're nazis...

Still noone has answered my post about this particular poster and his thread.

You've read my side. Now tell me if I was wrong or impolite.

thats exactly what im talking about, its not exactly welcoming behaviour is it?

don't get me wrong i love this board its really great i just think that somwetimes the treatment of people by mods is less than great at times. it is true that on occasion that mods are just trying to flex some muscle and to be honest, if thtas the only place you can feel tough then thats a sad life :(

I prefer the board run the way it is; it's easier to browse for topics of interest instead of having to run through 50 "Guess what about the New York Shows" or "What sweater are you going to wear to the concert?" type threads. Just find the relevant topic, and there's all the info you need...pretty easy. Plus it makes everything look neater and more organized.

Of course this way you might have to take 15 seconds before starting a new post to make sure it's going in the right spot. Oh noes! It's just like Auschwitz! ?:rofl:

Did you read my post or have you chosen to simply ignore it and just post anything that comes to your mind?

Cause all I see here is talking with no proof.

I explained the situation. I didn't see anyone of you talking about that...

[/qoute]
You've read my side. Now tell me if I was wrong or impolite.

no one said that you personally were wrong or impolite, at least not what i read. i just think that it wouldn't hurt to be less authorotarian.

 i think evryone is greatful that this board is here, its just that people don't get treated that well at times, and thats ok when there is someone hiding behind a keyboard 1000's of miles away, if half the stuff said to some folks here was said face to face, there would be a heck of a lot of punch ups. but thtas life i suppose. :-X

i actually tried to post the message and it came out on the board after your message. hence i did not see your post and thanks for the sarcasm and increasingly strengthening the argument that mods and normal users do a lot of flaming for little to no reason. ;)

Trust me, if I was face to face with half of the people whose threads I've locked, I'd simply ignore them cause you can't win stupidity or cause I'm probably 15 years older than most of them.

Now, if they choose to fight, well, that's a race they probably can't win unless they got some black belt... I'm not exactly a 15-year-old skinny boy who hides behind his computer...

Also, please explain to me where I made excessive use of authority.

We have to keep the board clear of threads that don't belong to  the sections they were posted in.

It's pretty simple. There are rules, people must follow them. If you don't like them, don't post on this board. You've got the freedom to choose where you want to post...


You can talk about sarcasm all you want, but I still don't see proof of excessive use of "authorityyyyy" as cartman used to say...

I agree.........

Eh hem....

Try to follow your own logic here, OK?

If you don't like the rules, go post at one of the myriad of forums you mention above.

If enough posters felt the same way, this forum would, effectively, die.

And the "other' forums would prosper.

So, essentially, by asking jarmo to change the way the boards are moderated to suit YOU, you are effectively doing exactly what you're accusing jarmo of (in your brain)...not letting "survival of the fittest" take place.

Of course, the real point is that this forum WON'T die because, quite frankly, it's the best and busiest on the net.  And the rules are pretty much the same as they've always been.  Under them, the site has not floudered but, really, prospered.

You can read the Admin section to see that whining about the mods accomplishes nothing.  Nothing.  You asked why you shouldn't be allowed to voice your opinion on the subject?  The answer is: you should.  Of course, then everyone should be able to voice THEIR opinions on YOUR opinion (that priviledge is not yours, alone).  What you SHOULDN'T do is expect that opinion to change anything.  What you SHOULD do is shit or get off the pot.  Either abide by the rules or go elsewhere.

Because people usually follow the path of lease resistance...even if that means stickin around the board you've been on for years as it slides downhill...there are alot of people here already, the board is very active, and what better place to have a truly great board with truly open dialogue?

Oh, as for being 1000's of miles away I'll be in NY on GnR weekend for anyone who's interested...and like my thread that was locked said, I'd LIKE to see any Canadians that made it down...and I'm sure most of them would have seen that title in a thread - however I'm sure most did NOT read every post throuth 50 pages about a show in New York...

So you think it would be fine to have 50 threads about Canadians, Dutch, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Scottish, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Japanese, Brazilian etc etc etc fans going to the shows?

How about "Anybody from Toronto", "Anybody from Vancouver?" plus all other major cities. Why limit yourself to a country when you could just ask if anybody is going from your city?


You could also add a little signature with the following text:

Looking to get in touch with fellow Canadians going to the NYC shows in May. PM me!




/jarmo

 :rofl:

jarmo's got a point! : ok:

Actually no I don't see a problem with everyone posting stuff like that - first of all, it probably wouldn't be as bad as you thingk with teh # of new topics.  And secondly, those topics (if there AREN'T alot of Canadians, Irishmen, Scandanavians etc) will die down and not last long.  What WILL survive is what people on the board really care to talk about, NOT what the mods think they do....

I've never had a problem with this site or with the mods. Everything is really organized, unlike some websites I've been to. This particular site has been doing very well for 10 years (right?). So I think they must be doing something right.

You don't seem to get it.

Most of the mods don't dictate what people should talk about. For example, you're free to talk about Canadians going to the NYC shows, but please make sure you do it in the right place.

The only time mods might interfere with what's being talked about is when the subject is breaking the rules (for example two people are talking to each other and they're just throwing insults at each other).

Or when somebody is posting personal information about a band member, posting links to illegal downloads etc etc.


Occasionally a useless thread will get locked because it was clearly just started as a "joke" or to annoy.

I guess you don't like that either, but I'd rather have relevant threads in the GN'R section than 30 "Look at this pic OMG! LOL!" threads.

There was a thread posted today about cowbell in the GN'R section. To me it looks like it was another attempt at being funny by the poster who started it. I'm still waiting for his reply to the question he asked. If he fails, I will lock it. If you start a thread asking for peoples' opinions on a subject, why not post your own while you're at it?

Seems like some people don't see the difference between a blog, a chat room and a message board.



/jarmo

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=29021.0 <---- locked

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=29022.0 <---- remains open by jarmo's decision

makes sense, jarmo. thanx.

You guys have way to much time on your hands.? Jarmos site=Jarmos rules.? End of story.? He's had this board for 10 years and it's the most popular board on the net.? Obviously he's doing something right.? I don't understand the arguments. :no:?

it was MY fucking thread, that's why i asked the question. i thought that was what this section was for?

Listen, Jarmo has gotten pissed at me and I have gotten pissed back at him a couple times.  But it's like someone coming into your house that you own and start talking shit and doing stupid stuff.  It's his house, his rules.  Why don't you just PM if you have issues instead?  You might get a better answer.

next time you have something to say jackass keep my name out of it you obsessed little troll.

You seem to underestimate the appeal of causing a dramatic scene.  :hihi:

Dudes... nothings gonna get through to this guy....

Yeah I'm a lost cause.

Well brother its true.

Jarmo's point was exellent. If everyone made a "any *insert nationality* going to NY?" the forum would be reduced to trash.

True, its doubtful that EVERYONE would create a thread like that.. but why bump an important topic for one 2-3 people will respond to?  Like Jarmo said, create a "If your canadian going to NY, PM me" signature. Or even just (god forbid) post in the 50 (DUN DUN DAA!) page NY thread.

A board will run well if people use common sense. When I have a question I search for it.. I may PM people.. I might even just ask it in a random thread. I don't go and create a new topic just because I want to. Its about thinking about whats good for the community. Does the forum really need me asking this question? Should I clutter the forum with this? Is this helpful to others?

Questions like that are important. Especially if you want to be taken seriously on this forum. It's run exellently and its sad to see that recently its been flooded by people who seem to have no respect or common sense. Im not saying that your one of those people, but maybe thats why your topic got locked, maybe the mods are on edge? And so what if they are.

If the mods being "nazi's" means I dont have to read another

"Whats your favorite new song?" thread
or a
"Questions for Axl" thread
or a
"what would be cool for a new guitarist even though im basing this off absolutly NOTHING" thread
or a
"i think CD will be loaded with COWBELL!" thread

then im totally ok with that.

And yeah its true, they haven't locked the cowbell thread, or the new questions for axl thread... but thats ok.

Bottom line, its Jarmo's site. And he can do what he wants.

    -jack

Didn't take you very long. Even having my online status hidden doesn't keep you and these other goons from looking for me. It seems like you would finally get tired of it.

Let me explain it to you once again before you get banned for the tenth time: Stop bumping your own threads and they might remain open.

Anybody can see what you did in that thread.  ::)




/jarmo

What does this have to do with my site!

Once again, follow your own logic:

If people WANT that type of thing, they'll gravitate toward forums that allow it (as you should do, if this is that big a deal to you), and this forum will die.

Again, you want the boards moderated FOR YOU.  That's just not going to happen here.... If you'd like a forum where that's done...you should look into running your own.  Others have done it...

Exactly my point.

In one breath bigfoot advocates "survival of the fittest" and in the next he' saying exactly the opposite (change the board).

Again, it's just as simple as you put it:

Jarmo's site=Jarmo's rules.

OK, this just proves my point that people don't fully read through multi page threads on topics...I already responded to that whole "well by your logic the board will die then"....

Eh hem....

Try to follow your own logic here, OK?

If you don't like the rules, go post at one of the myriad of forums you mention above.

If enough posters felt the same way, this forum would, effectively, die.

And the "other' forums would prosper.

So, essentially, by asking jarmo to change the way the boards are moderated to suit YOU, you are effectively doing exactly what you're accusing jarmo of (in your brain)...not letting "survival of the fittest" take place.

Of course, the real point is that this forum WON'T die because, quite frankly, it's the best and busiest on the net.  And the rules are pretty much the same as they've always been.  Under them, the site has not floudered but, really, prospered.

You can read the Admin section to see that whining about the mods accomplishes nothing.  Nothing.  You asked why you shouldn't be allowed to voice your opinion on the subject?  The answer is: you should.  Of course, then everyone should be able to voice THEIR opinions on YOUR opinion (that priviledge is not yours, alone).  What you SHOULDN'T do is expect that opinion to change anything.  What you SHOULD do is shit or get off the pot.  Either abide by the rules or go elsewhere.

Because people usually follow the path of lease resistance...even if that means stickin around the board you've been on for years as it slides downhill...there are alot of people here already, the board is very active, and what better place to have a truly great board with truly open dialogue?

Oh, as for being 1000's of miles away I'll be in NY on GnR weekend for anyone who's interested...and like my thread that was locked said, I'd LIKE to see any Canadians that made it down...and I'm sure most of them would have seen that title in a thread - however I'm sure most did NOT read every post throuth 50 pages about a show in New York...

Oh no, I read it. It's just nonsense. I've been on boards (not GnR) where moderation changed, or got too strict for posters tastes.? Know what happened? The forums died.?

It wasn't that I didn't read your response.? It's that I obviously needed to repeat myself because you're just not getting the point.

There's a reason WHY the board is so active. Again, use your own logic. Saying it's because "it's the path of least resistance" is a cop out ( and the same COULD be said of your suggestion to just let things go along with no forms of organization...it would be "the path of least resistance".... ), and one proven to be untrue in a vast number of cases/forums in the past.? It also doesn't explain why membership CONTINUES to grow.  You want "survival of the fittest", you got it!

This board is not going to be moderated FOR YOU.? Why should it be?? The MAJORITY of posters (obviously, because they're still here, active, and posting) like things this way. YOU don't.? So, given that, and given jarmo owns the site and can moderate any damn way he chooses (just like we, if we don't like it, can leave).....

We're right back to you following your own logic.

YOU want "survival of the fittest" in the discussion areas because it suits your "agenda" of getting your post up.

You DON'T want "survival of the fittest" in the forum, as a whole, because it DOESN'T suit your "agenda" of getting your post up.

It's that simple, really.

So you have a decision to make:

Follow the rules or leave.

Why is that so hard to understand?

hmm you post something about me when i havent done anything and you expect me to not respond? you really are a moron.  : ok:

Could some1 just tell me what what my site has to do with this!! you guys seem to bring it up alot! I never visit your site nor mention you guys! whats with all the hate towards my site that comes from you guys!

Path of least resistance?

Maybe for you that path would be if we changed instead of you......


So it seems like you want the board to suit your needs and make everything easier for you. Instead of you adjusting to the way the board is, which requires some work from you....  :hihi:



/jarmo

show me where i said anything about your site?

I think Brody was referring to a post that he made earlier at http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=29011.msg548753#msg548753.  No one responded to him.  : ok:

Sorry Backslash, I responded in a PM to Brody, as I don't feel like this thread is the right place to argue about your forum, as you guys already have a thread about that.

And in my PM it's quite clear why I said it and quite clear that it wasn't a dig on your forum.

Well i guess i just go around looking for fights to start! right allmysalvation! I hardly call defending myself starting fights!

You haven't defended yourself at all dude. You just asked what something had to do with your forum, you offered no defense as to why ROV should be used in comparision to heretodaygonetohell, which is what my post was about.

All you've done is use a lot of exclamation points and get off topic. Keep anything with your forum that is directed personally to me like this last statement to PM.

As for this topic, I think you see in this thread exactly why Jarmo has to be the way he is..... and I love him for it.

actually he was referring to myself and rainx saying we always bash his site etc. So I want to see where Im always bahsing him. I really dont think that's too much to ask now is it?

Ok, back on topic, please... we don't want another thread to turn into who hates vs. who doesn't hate ROV, it's not worth the time and effort, really. ?And please, don't IM me about it saying that the mods don't like you. ?I'm sure they have reasons, I don't like to get myself involved with those discussions either. ?It doesn't concern me, so why try and drag me into it? ?Anyways, this thread is about HTGTH and their supposed "Nazi moderators". ?

Personally, I haven't had any problems with the mods here and I think that violation of the rules calls for a response from mods. ?It's Jarmo's forum, let him call the shots. ?He has to pay to keep this site going, after all. ?Whatever rules you have a problem with, put up with them or leave. ?It's not like he has to change his rules to suit a few people. ?The site has been working this way for years.

EDIT: yeah I edited my post... Jesus... everything anyone says gets picked apart.

Why would i defend, why my board should be in comparison to this one!! there is none! I never did compare it!!!!!



And no i wasnt refering to you and rainx idk who rainx is! i never talk to you!!

Just like your board then.

Boo!

Board war!

(But seriously, I'm kidding. So, back on topic please. The topic being... What a bunch of Nazi's we are)

We all know you not nazi's you guys do what you have to do here! Its would be chaos! without ya guys! whats the deal with everyone throwing around nazi all the time now!

Ignorance, pretty much.

Scratch that,

it's a lack of originality or the ability to coin a term themselves.

Ooh, I've got another one, it... Never mind.

I challenge you to a "board off"............

Is this game like chess or checkers! Cause im told nazi's were only good at checkers!

You're listening to too much Bubba The Love Sponge, SLC.

I assume a "board off" is SLC's version of a "cock off".

A "cock off" is when two guys whip em out and compare size.  Bigger cock wins.

 :hihi:

Only in a "board off" no one wins.  :peace:

Welp im out! Im sure i wont be able to win this cock off!

I only did that once at summer camp and that does not mean I'm gay..........



I'm sorry, what did you say? I was too busy looking at your avatar..............

Examples would be here, your forum, and cd.com. I'm not wasting my time digging up the examples. Anyone that wants to see the examples can just look at your post history at these sites.

you wont simply because it doesnt exist. It's all a figment of your twisted little imagination.

exactly 8 mins after you posted james your shadow appears!!!

HEY,

stay on topic.

We're the nazis here...

 :hihi:

Come to think about it, that would be a cool name for a band...

THE NAZI MODERATORS

Maybe we should do a board band again...  :rofl:

lmfao @ the avatar and the text :rofl:

Wow that avatar is fucking hilarious!

(http://www.gunsnroses.gr/images/nazimoderator.jpg)

"Locked..."

Oh but it isnt!!! ;D

Sorry - I couldnt help myself

Will you please post this everytime you lock a thread!!! Please!

This is how Christos dances every time he locks a thread:
(http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/ktklahti/hitlerdance.gif)

I'll play guitar.

You're not a nazi moderator... It's not just a band, it's a cult...

"Ladies and gentleman, we are the Nazi Moderators......... See you next summer!"

 :rofl:

so wrong but still so funny...

Christos, you're explanatory post back on page 4 (I think) was excellent. :)? And Jarmo has good points about moderating, and the problem with tons of posts.? (I'm an Admin on a non-GNR forum, I know how it works).

But I do disagree that having a thread like the one asking if Canadians are going to the show is a problem, because the tour topics does have its own forum.? Posts like that in the main section would be hell, but if I wanted to know who else from Vancouver or Toronto were going to the NYC shows, even with the search function, scrolling through the 30 to 50 pages dedicated to that one series of shows is its own hell.? I don't find it workable.? It truly is impossible to do any networking (sharing rides, etc) the way it is now.? And not everybody will see, or be able to react to, the? suggestion about putting a query in a sig.? ?

By allowing a little more leeway, you may end up with more than one page of touring topics, but it will still be nowhere near the volume of the main section, and I believe it would be better -- especially if members don't chime in with things like 'why do you live in a hellhole like Toronto"', 'why do you want to see Axl and his band of imposters' or 'what did you have for dinner?'.? ?It sure would be easier to search.

So there's my two cents.? :)

(And all Mods are Nazis, didn't you know?)

^ i think that the mods did not complain about the fact that there was a thread about people from toronto going to the show(s), the problem is it was on the wrong page. the gnr on tour is specially designed for everything involved about the shows including forum members meetings and trip organizing.
why fill the gnr discussion board when there is a certain chapter especially for the shows?

I was responding to this post:? (Should have quoted it, sorry).? (And I just realized he was being sarcastic re: the sig!? :hihi:)

Only mods can start new threads in the tour section since we don't want it filled with pointless threads. We get enough of those in the main GN'R section anyway....




/jarmo

sorry bout that. but they can talk about the meetings in the thread created for the certain show no need to go to other sections for that

Well fine then!  I didn't want to play anyway!

*currently crying in a corner*

look...you made him cry.....you nazi :rant: :rofl: :rofl:

Actually one of the mods DID have a problem with me posting my who's from Canada going to the shows thread.

They locked it, and told me to use the tour thread - which, as Jarmo pointed out and I have a beef with, I CAN'T start a new thread in those sections, only append to one that's already dozens of pages long...

Well, after 9 looooong pages you still don't get it. I can't explain anymore. It's basically like talking to a 2 year old child who wants a toy but daddy won't buy it.

Life sucks... Boohoo...

Of course it is...because YOU'RE the moderator, and as such, infallable...doesn't the weight get to you? Always being right...

I don't think it's a matter of not 'getting' it, it's not 'agreeing' with it.?? 8)? But people have now aired their opinions, nobody's going to change their minds after nine pages, so I'd suggest both sides just consider it on the record and leave it at that.

(http://i3.tinypic.com/wr17rq.gif)? ?(http://i3.tinypic.com/wr19p3.gif)

(http://i3.tinypic.com/wr17ok.gif)

What??  Mods dont think they're always right...  the usually are because they have facts and evidence and REASONS backing up their opinions and statements.  Unlike some people I can think of *cough*.  Even counting that, there are times mods are wrong, get noticed, say sorry and correct it.  They're human.

Well I haven't heard a sorry :P

Neither have I for your nazi insult...


In case you're still waiting, there won't be a special thread for Canadians going to NYC. Or to Portugal, Spain, Hungary, Germany, Italy, Ireland, UK, Czech Republic, Poland, Austria, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands or Finland.  : ok:


/jarmo

in all fairness, i think the reason he was asking, was about getting a ride from the Greater Toronto Area since it is only 5 hours or so from NY....driving from Europe isn't quite as easy :hihi: :peace:

uh no, but word is they are also playing in europe this summer... :confused:

hmm but we are talking about the NYC shows aren't we now? :-\ not the euro shows :P

And you won't get one from me cause there is no reason...

On the other hand you called me a nazi...

your going to prison for war crimes jarmo!!!!!  :hihi:

Amen!!!!
Mods need to lighten up, and the message needs to come from above, the Chief,  who seems  to set  the tone for  more and more control  over  his  subjects.
At some point it all will become unpleasant  and  people  will migrate  to other sites where  the moderators  are  less heavy handed. The great thing  about the internet  is that options  exist and oligopilies do  not  last long.

Then why don't you just use your options instead of keep on complaining in every possible thread in this section?

Excuse me, mister speech control. We are  discussing a topic in a  calm and reasonable manner. At least I am. I have the right to express my opinion. Or has that been taken away also by the mods? My understanding is that the purpose of this site  is to allow free  people  to express  their opinion freely. I am  following the rules and sticking to the topic and not calling anyone  names. I simply disagree  and have a different opinion. Is that not allowed? I mean, really, am I to understand  that one must conform to the opinions of the mods in order  to post and participate in a discussion?

Why are you getting upset? Have I offended you? Have I told you what you should post and what not (besides the rules)? Did I ask you to leave this board RIGHT NOW? Did I ask you to leave this board at all?

I'm just asking, if you think that the mods here make this place not worth the staying, why don't you just use your options instead of complaining in every possible thread in this section.

I've seen you posting about it in 3 different threads just this morning...

So  what? Is posting  in 3 different threads illegal? I hardly think that I am the only person who peruses  the site  for different topics. Not really clear on what your point is. And  what you call complaining I call expressing my opinion. It is called freedom of  speech. I stand by my statements and by my right to express my opinion. And  I am not upset. I am calm. In fact, I am  going to bed, so any subsequent rebuttal will  fall  on deaf  ears and a computer on standby.

if you want to express your freedom of speech why not build your own forum and post them there?...of course you wouldnt have an audience and this forum has a large one...why is it a large audience? because of the way this forum is run...

this place isnt the Civil Rights movement and you arent Martin Luther King...noone is going to be affected by issues spoken here, noone will die, no political decisions will be made because of what you or anyone here has said blah blah fucking etc...so seriously, give yourself a chill out pill

All this censorship and "karma" points stuff is really getting to me.

I think we need to think right back to the beginning and the reason why the board came into existence in the first place.

Guns N' Roses.

Rock N' Roll.

Freedom. Of. Speech.

Humanity.

As much as I love this board... all this arguing, banning, insulting, karma points... its NOT the human way.

In my opinion, I think Jarmo is just out to make this message board 100% perfect.

And unless we all get brain slugs attached to our heads... that AIN'T EVER gunna happen. Not in a million years.

The more rules Jarmo adds, the more people will feel confined and censored.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to have to hold back when discussing something. I am a very passionate person, and when I discuss something, I say EVERYTHING I have to say. That is me.

And a lot of people are the same way.

Lets just go right back to the beginning, and LET everyone post what they want to.

A better way of filtering out pointless negative arguments from a section where it is not convenient to be there, would be to create an "GET IN THE RING" section, and whenever a topic gets out of hand with people arguing, move it there.

That way, people wouldn't feel so censored. Because there would be a place for arguing and heated debates.

The world is full of arguments, that is the human way. If arguments didn't exist, there would be world peace.

If arguments were censored ALL the time, there would be world peace for a short time, and then all would explode and NO ONE would be able to stop it until all the people in the world had gotten their anger out.

That is just my opinion.

Ignore it if you like... meh!

i agree with your posts 100% skelly. i have now been hit with seven bad karma points without even breaking the rules once in the past few days, all while moderators are calling me an idiot and getting away with it. i like this board but i feel sad that people are using these karma points to destroy a persons reputation for no reason at all, it's become an excuse for showing muscles whenever they don't agree with or like a poster and i think that is sad. and yes, i've thought about it too, gnr was always about speaking your mind. this is ridicilous.

Well, to use your words, I don't need to show my muscles to "a few letters on a screen"...

And to SkynyrdGirl: Sorry, but there are rules, if you don't like it you got other options as well. We've analyzed it a million times and you still don't get it:

Jarmo's yard, Jarmo's rules.

Follow them or swallow them...

Actually I just thought of that but it sounded cool, didn't it? Like it came out from a Tarantino movie... And then blood all over the screen.

I need to sleep a bit.

yeah go to sleep not very tarantinoish at all  :P

Oh come on, I'm a nazi moderator. You should be kissing my ass. :hihi:

hay  :rant: you just insulted yourself,give yourself a - karma point  :hihi:

Just so the rest of the board knows, Skynyrd Girl and speed-stone are two reasons why I decided to try this karma feature.

I didn't want to single anybody out but since these two are opposed to the idea, I might as well point out why I decided to try it.

Their constant off topic posts and speed-stone's insults are something we're gonna have less off in the future.

I couldn't care less what you want to do with each other, you can keep that to yourselves. I don't want to read about it in a thread about photos.


Freedom of speech doesn't work because there's always a small group of people who think they can do anything as along as they use the freedom of speech excuse.

I don't need your " :hihi:" posts or your "OMFG! LOL!? :rofl:? :rant:? :love: " posts. Maybe that's freedom of speech to you, to me it's a waste of space.



/jarmo

Well, you clearly didn't pay any attention to my story now did you.

Posting  :hihi: or  :rofl: is not an exercise in freedom of speech. As I said before, it's as if some of you have created for yourselves this vague notion of freedom of speech, and yet have no idea what it really is, nor the real importance of it. People who bang on about freedom of speech do such in that it is essential that it must exist, in as far as your are able to voice your opinion somewhere; not everywhere.

Though, that was a nice list of why this board was created. Humanity? I knew that eventually jarmo plans on taking over the world, I just never knew that he also intended to save humanity. Unless of course you mean humanity in that it was humane of him to create this board in the first place....................... Or,

maybe even for the good of humanity.

I just been through all 10 pages of this thread, and I fell asleep about 6 times  :rofl: :hihi: ;D

I'm not saying people can get away with anything just by saying "FREEDOM OF SPEECH", but when you start controlling people and saying that we can't comment on something that someone else has said to us, or thank someone when they compliment us on a photo because its "off topic".... that isn't right.

And I don't think I can remember a single time that I have EVER posted emoticon-only posts, and I have NEVER posted an "OMFG! LOL! *insert emoticons here*" post.


I KNOW there are rules! And as far as I know, I follow them. Yes I go off topic occasionally, but so does everyone.


Thanks Jim. Thanks a lot. :(

You know full well that I wasn't insinuating that Jarmo intends to take over the world.

The humanity thing was SUPPOSED to mean that it is human nature to say what they feel and hate being told what they can and can't say.

And yes I do know what freedom of speech is. I don't "bang on" about it, but this is one case where I WILL "bang on" about it because that is what this board SHOULD be all about.


.... oh fuck it! Why should I bother pourin' my heart out and expressing myself when all that'll happen is that I'll get ANOTHER - karma point for "disrespect" or "insubordination" or just plain old "disobeying the rules".

Even though I'm not.

There is only one solution to this problem my friends....

GET IN THE RING, MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!  : ok: :rofl:

hey jarmo

how about a 10 letters minimum per post??

it`d solve the "emoticon only" problem : ok:

Nah... The emoticon posts would just start forming of 10 emoticons.. Well, 5, if one consists at least 2 characters.

Of course there have to be rules, and they have to be upheld...  but I'll admit that is by far the most strict board I've ever been a member of... and yeah, sometimes it annoys me, but I'm not going to get all bent-out-of-shape about it.
There's no need to try to be a freedom-fighter because it's obviously not going to change anything.  I've seen some intelligent posts on the subject and the mods seem to respond very defensively...  this suggests to me that there's no room for change, so let it go.
I enjoy reading the boards and some people here are really great, so I'll stay. I'll live with the rules, because it ultimately comes down to "live with it or leave" doesn't it?

Yea it does JennaSide... kinda sad isn't it, that a Gn'R forum has such strict authority... well... its sad in an ironic way.

yeah i've thought the same alot of times.

It's not that strict really. The strict part keeps the clutter down to a minimum. Imagine if there was not what a mess it would be?

There is also nothing wrong with a sex joke here and there, but when the running theme becomes you taking it in the arse.......it may become tired to those of us who do not come here to masturbate.

Well it's pretty simple.

If you don't like it, go away.

that's new. ::) so now people can't even criticize?
"if you don't like my country, go away".
sounds familiar...

You're not criticising, you're just complaining.

i personally had never any problem with the rules on this board..... i can`t really understand all this bullshit....

i think it started when some people were upset about their threads being deleted or merged with other threads......

and speed-stone...  how dare you complain about your karma points?? or about the arbitrariness of our mods?? i just don`t get it... you called SLCPUNK a fuckhead and that his mother should die in a car accident...  i mean, are there still any unanswered questions on this??      you asked for christos to quote you on that and when he did you changed the topic directly and told him that neemo called you a fag.....

i mean do you really feel treated in an unjust way??? from what i read, you definitely deserve the one or other karma point....

The people who think we are strict are usually the ones who like to post pointless insults and other things we don't want here.

Anybody who likes to talk about GN'R in the GN'R section, not bring up the old line-up in every thread about the new one, who can respect other people disagreeing without insulting them etc. etc., won't feel it's that strict.


We like to keep the place tidy. Not have five different threads about the same thing on the first page, not have threads about Bon Jovi in the GN'R section, not have 30 pages of "LOL, me too!" posts....

So if you can't handle the fact that most of us here are excited about the upcoming shows and all the recent activity in the GN'R world and you just want to remind us all how much better the old band is, maybe you're at the wrong board.

Most of us do remember the old band and likes what they did, but it's 2006 now. Time to move on. This board isn't about nostalgia.





/jarmo

Oh Jesus, I thought I was the only one  ::)

Seriously... I mean, I admit I have broken the rules I couple of times by going off topic and Jarmo had to delete not only my posts, but several other posts as well (when the whole Tommy radio thingy was up), and since then, I've been avoiding the same mistake.
But honestly, apart from that, I've never had any problems with the rules.

I don't have a problem here with the rules either with the exception of the -no political threads rule. But, I can post somewhere else about politics, it's okay.

If you take the time to read those intelligent posts, you are likely to find that they are faux-liberation garbabge filled with irrelevant references and pretentious babble about free speech and equality.


I'm not all too sure where I lost you. I was trying to give you a reason why people bang on about freedom of speech, and the real importance of it. I wasn't refering to you or any of the other crusaders. It was directed towards you, but it wasn't about you. If you cannot grasp the true concept of free speech then try not to enter into a conversation concerning it. It's funny, in a sad, ironic way (eh?) that often those on this board who bang on about freedom of speech (this time, maybe I am talking about you) seem to have the least understanding about it. As I said earlier (you really didn't read the story, did you?), views, opinions or the right to express them have never been supressed on this board. If you were in the House and started going 'Fuck sake. We want fucking anal sex (I'm almost tempted to dig out MCT's grammarian post..........) to be legalized in public you mother fuckers!!!! hey!! you with the wig on!! listen to me you fucking fucker', would it be a neglect of your free speech when they threw you out on your ass?

And they ramble about, intrepidly ignorant of the burden of responsibility that falls with each step...

You know with each passing year, the good get better and the bad keep coming. Hence, there is a continually growing disparity, a widening gap, between the two. This forum, replete with its comparatively high quality, is its own worst enemy.

Just an articulation of the truth. I don't really have anything else to say. And yes, I am a bit of an elitist. But no, not like that. And (just for the record), this forum is doing just fine.

Bye now.

arrrgh.... why do people always bitch about rules that they agreed to in joining the board of jarmo? i just dont understand it at all..... ive been heere for along time and it is always the short timers that bitch the fastest, but the long timers bitch the longest..... and im bitching now... so i think ill bitch for awhile..... look there is too much crap going on that is BS complaining.... if you had a thread merged with another pm the mod to ask why and if they say there is already a topic explain civily that it is diff and for the reasons.... maye they will allow it to be reopened.

no for all these people complaing about the short msgs...... or threads that go onto another topic... perhaps the mods should be ontop of them as well and split them into a new thread..... just an idea.... might work better

and what MCT said too....

Well, yeah.. and I have seen several points brought up again and again (some people don't learn) and I don't expect you to sit there and respond to each one in turn, but it seems that once in a while a good point is made.
For the record, I'm not complaining. I'm not bitching about the rules. I commented that they are a bit strict -- and I stand by that. I think they are. No, you're not controlling peoples' thoughts, but if someone directs a slightly off-topic comment to me in a thread, I do think twice about responding because I wonder if that will earn me negative karma.. which is a bit silly, imo. Sometimes a topic started about one thing can spin off naturally into another discussion. This is how life works. It's natural... and, I realize it's hard because there are assholes that do nothing but bring up stale old arguments or subjects - reunions, the old band, etc, but I think there should be a bit of lee-way provided in the whole "off topic" thing. Example: let's say there's a topic about hats. Someone posts a picture of themselves in front of such&such cafe wearing a certain hat. I see such&such cafe and comment that I know where that is, it's right by my apartment and that they have great pancakes. Now someone else says "yeah, I've been there too, the garden-seating is gorgeous" now the topic has drifted a bit, but I'm sure it will come back to hats within another post or two... in the mean time, several people have started talking about something else - which isn't related to hats, but isn't off-the-wall and out-of-nowhere either. I mean it wasn't like I just jumped in and said "I like to be spanked" or something stupid. So would I be in trouble for commenting on such&such cafe? Would I have to make a whole other topic about it so that the three people who have something to say about it can make our three posts? Or, what if no one wanted to talk about hats anyway and my such&such cafe comment just happens to keep the thread alive because it leads to a discussion on breakfast food? I don't know if that makes sense... I guess I can't really explain it. I guess I just think the off-topic rule is overly enforced sometimes.
Oh, and the no-political-threads thing's fine with me. I hate talking about politics, I HATE IT, but you have to admit that's a bit strict.
And people posting smilies for the sake of boosting their post-number or something is a waste of space, but if someone tells a joke and your only response would be to laugh, I don't see why it's a horrible thing to post a breif smilie and say "good one" even though that isn't a "long, meaningful post"

So, yes... I can see where the rules come from and the principle behind them, and I think they should be upheld when they're obviously being broken by an obnoxious snob, but I've seen mods come down pretty hard on people that aren't trying to be obnoxious and really aren't intentionally breaking any rules.

That's all I'm saying.

All in all, I like this place and I have no intentions of insulting anyone with this post.
 In fact, I applaud Jarmo and the crew: you have a hard job! You've also done some great, amazing things (the pre-sale!) that you didn't have to do, but did anyway. I'm more than appreciative. My hat's off to you all...? except Jim - I never knew what the hell you're saying and you called me ugly in the picture thread.? :hihi: (I kid, I kid)

jenna, about the threads going "slightly" off-topic: if i see the thread about hats and i click to enter and read that thread and after a few posts it's going towards the cafe and from there to pancakes and this goes on for 1-2 pagesmaybe that's not the hats discussion i expected to see when i entered the hats topic. and you will say that i can post about hats and we will be back on topic, but i would still be reading all off-topic posts in hope that someone maybe got ontopic again and i'll find myself 3 pages later with still no posts about the hats. (hope you get my point) and that goes for all of the gnr section threads that end up being a who's better fight.
and about the jokes. if someone tells a joke it's enough to laugh while you read it. there's no need to put a yellow face to say that it made you laugh. that's the thing the poster expected when he posted the joke, to be funny. but there's no need of confirmation.
and the non-political thread rule appeared because people were not discussing politics they were just bashing each other
hope you don't take this as a rant. it's just an opinion :peace:

100% agreed.

This is a message board. When someone enters he/she read the topic and enters the discussion expecting to read about that certain topic.

In the real word, discussions evolve, but they always evolve between the people who are discussing and will sometime soon end it.

Here we have more than 5.500 members. Can you imagine what would happen if everyone went off topic in every thread?

You need to understand that message boards work differently, with some rules the admin applied. Those rules change sometimes, cause of experience. And as they say "experience makes you wise".

Most of you don't face what Jarmo or the moderators see in here.

You visit some specific thread, some specific section, you post in the threads you like and that's all.

But the moderators and the admin are not here only to have fun. They have to keep the board clean for all the visitors. And if this means that some will take it badly, well life goes on and if these people don't like the board anymore they can leave.

I know it sounds bad, but it's not that bad if you think about it this way. It's the way boards work.

People come and people go. That's life.

You're right. I agree. 3 pages of pancake discussion isn't appropriate in the hat thread (man, I chose bizarre examples, didn't I?) and I would probably be frusterated if I really really wanted to talk about hats, but if not - I wouldn't mind. I'd read it and maybe have an opinion on pancakes to add to the discussion, maybe not. Maybe the first post about hats inspired a comment about hats - then even though people were talking about pancakes, I'd throw my comment in there. Clicking on a thread ONCE IN A WHILE and not having it be what I thought it would be isn't the end of the world.
? I just figure it depends on the situation, I suppose that was my poorly illustrated point to begin with. And who's to blame when that happens? I didn't mean to start 3 pages of pancake discussion, I just made a quick observation, do I still get punished? What about the people that responded to me? Do they get punished too for helping it along on it's path off-track??
 (Oh, and by the way if I ever tell a joke - which I probably won't - please acknowledge it if you thought it was funny. All my favorite jokes are really lame and to know that someone else liked it would make my day :) )
 I don't do any of those things, but from an objective point of view, I still find it a bit strict sometimes. Not to me personally, but in general. Not that the rules are out-of-line or overly harsh, but the way they're dealt with, now especially with the karma points, can be a little much. I'm not knocking the karma points, it's a good idea to keep track of consistant trouble-makers... but do they have to be public? I see someone with a -1 and suddenly there's stigma with that. Like "whoa, what did they do? That guy must be an asshole." when in reality, that may not be the case. I think for someone to publically get the same punishment (a negative point) for posting a smilie response as a person who calls someone a rude, offensive name is a little harsh.
Oh, and believe me, I'm excited about the current line-up and upcoming shows!!! I'm not dwelling on the past at all, I'm completely looking forward to the future, so I'm not one of those people either.
And I feel that being strict in the GNR section is completely needed, that's why we're here. That's the whole main point of this website. I just feel that the rules can be a little more relaxed in other areas, like the Jungle.  But that's just me, it's not my board. And as long as it's not mine, I'll go by your rules, that's fine. I'm really not complaining.

And I believe I said that I realize running a message board is a hard job and that rules are necessary, did I not? If I didn't or it wasn't clear - I'll say it again. Ya know, I've become friends with the guy who runs another band's official message board. There are 45,926 members on that board to date. I see how crazy it is to keep things in check sometimes -- and I'll even go so far as to say that this board is probably harder because GNR is so confusing. There are so many rumors and divided loyalties and craziness... it's easier for these threads to turn into off-topic bickering. I'm not denying that at all!
? ? I'm just saying that this place is a bit strict, that's all. I'm not a message-board virgin. I've been around and for the record, I've seen plenty of places that survive just fine with more lax rules (including the large one I mentioned above) but I'm not - *NOT* - saying there are any right or wrong ways to run a board, so please don't get all defensive on me.

The only point I ever had was that this place is strict. It is. I didn't even make any judgements on that as to if I thought being strict was a good thing or not. It is what it is.? That's all. I'm not putting anyone down.

I agree that the board is somewhat strict in some ways that other boards aren't. Also, as I'm sure you're aware, there's a reason for that. You said that there are other boards that are not as strict, and they've survived. Well. The reason I decided to stay here is because after some lurking, this board was more than surviving. It had a good vibe to it, and the discussions were good, based on rational arguments, little to no trolls (...good times..), and the place was run well. Also the fact that it was all dark and Rn'fn'R (meaning there was more to the posts than "SLASH RUULLLZZ") was a plus.

About the who started what on pancakes: If a thread goes that much off topic (almost/more than a page) , it's time people started a pancakethread in the appropriate section (not the GN'R section, because "it's the only section people read"). And about who'll possibly be given bad karma.. It depends on the situation. If a person has nothing to contribute to a thread except for comments about pancakes, it is wise to think whether it's the right topic to start a discussion for. There are no absolute thruths on these things, just common sense. That, of course is subjective. So let's all just go by my common sense.

^  :hihi: fine, deal.

and P.S. I really want to get out of this thread, i don't mean to keep posting, but now I'm afriad people got the wrong idea about what i was saying before, so I want to make sure people get what I was saying and know that I'm not complaining or bashing this site or the mods (again, except Jim who called me gross in the picture thread ;) )

I really don't want to get off on the wrong foot with anyone here.

@jenna: nobody is putting you down. you just happen to give the pancakes example (now i want pancakes :rant:), and i was responding to you. and as far as clicking on a thread and finding it's off-topic it's not the end of the world. but some people don't have a lot of time on their hands and only want to talk about certain things and not to spend time with something they're not interested in (i'm at work now :-X).
and about being blamed for going off-topic. just like skeba said, it's just common sense, of course you can post one off-topic phrase but there were topics with long going offtopic discussions and in-between there were several posts from jarmo asking to get back on topic but they weren't listening, and then the topic got locked and everybody asked why?

the main idea is to try and read the rules and think a little before posting (it's not directed to you personally jenna)


p.s.: i'll promise to let you know when i'll read one of your jokes ?: ok:

edit: wrote this without seeing jenna already responded to skeba, sorry.

The Jungle is a bit more relaxed compared to the main GN'R sections....

Going off topic there might not be a problem, but in most cases the off topic posts don't contribute anything. It's usually two or three people "chatting"....


I don't really care if your pancake thread turns to one about waffles... But if it's just two people saying how they want to have pancakes all the time and how they're nude while eating them, then it's gotten a bit out of hand.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Yeah, close the whole Jungle -section for a while. Some of the posters would not post anything after that  :hihi:

i forget "the jungle" exists...

That's cause you're mostly in this section whining...

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nice work, sherlock.

Well, another proof that noone is stalking you...

You think it's cool to be a simple poster and to have more posts in here than all the other sections (besides GNR) alltogether?

Damn, you got the wrong definition of the word cool...

where did i say that was cool? are you out of your mind or something?
this is getting ridicilous, the mods are now ripping up in this shit... wow

Well, you're in here so much, someone would think this is the new place to be... A hot spot or something...

i didn't know i set the standards for this site...

Actually you are setting the standards for something on this site.

It's about Karma and How Soon Can I Get Banned Again...

Don't be fuckin' ridiculous ::)

Excuse me?

Kudos to Jenna
Argued with intelligence
Stayed within the rules

Made known her viewpoints
And posted like an adult
So no karma loss!

That just proves to me
That the karma system works
If you're a grown-up.

Splash

/Mike

Yes Mike... I admire Jenna for saying all that I was trying to say!! She obviously gets a lot more sleep than I do... :hihi:

Seriously, if I've offended anyone or broken any rules, I'm truly sorry, I just really really wish the board was just a bit more lenient. Not the Gn'R section... I understand the strictness there because obviously threads have to stay on topic there. But the Jungle... if that is just a general discussion section for off topic subjects... then threads should be allowed (within reason) to go off topic slightly.

I'm not saying that threads should change completely... BUT, every so often, when a thread has gone off topic, JUST to get it back on track... someone should just quote the very first post (or the last "on topic post) made in the thread and reply to it. That way the thread will go back on topic again, with no harshness, and no people getting a bad rep... unless they just ignore the on topic thing and go back to the off-topic discussion. THEN they should be warned...

That's just my idea... you don't have to take it... I just thought I'd add my two cents, for what its worth. : ok:

I'm not gunna argue any more because there's no point. I'm just gunna live with the rules because this board still means a lot to me. :-*

Sorry I was a whiny little bitch yesterday Jarmo and Mods.

And just for the record... I'm not asskissing. Think it if ya want, but I'm not. I'm just relaxed and in a much better mood than I was yesterday.

so am i girl, i woke up this morning and the sun was shining and i was listening to IRS and it just did something with me, i swear to god i've been posting positive messages all day! ;D i'm flyyyyyyin... :rofl: wow this is a good day! gonna go for a drive later too with a friend :beer:

Paraphrase:


Where, to pick up the other one?

That's good hun! Keep up the positivity... hey, ya might see your karma points go into the +s!! : ok: That is if its convienient to Jarmo though... otherwise peeps'll just have a 0 next to their Karma points... t'would be nice if there could be li'l karma plus rewards for brilliant posts n' stuff... : ok:

hilarious. ::)

I wouldn't expect anything like that...

Thanks man! I appreciate that... : ok:

You're pretty funny too.

 :)

you don't sound convinced man, i'm sorry... maybe you could do something else, like be a clown or something...

I honestly do think you're a little funny though.

Take it easy now... :peace:

Dayum... *le sigh*

Meh! Oh well!! Just an idea! : ok: