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Title: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on February 28, 2006, 01:06:56 PM
remember when AXL threw Faith No More off the summer 92 tour (for 10 minutes but still) here are some inbterview clips of FNM and Mike Patton bashing Axl..This must have hurt AXL seeing as he is a huge Faith No More fan and was responsible for getting them on that tour and getting them at rock n rio 1991.....



NME JUNE 20 1992

Bass player Bill Gould  fingers a 22-date tour itinerary, titled 'GN'FN'R'S: STORMING THE MOTHERLAND'. Among the Gunners' road crew listed are: Personal Assistant to Axl Rose, Assistant to Axl Rose, Assistant to Axl Rose's Assistant, and get this, Witch Doctor.

Keyboard player Roddy Bottum (ex-boyfriend of Courtney Love, trivia fans) tells me that a  female background singer from the expanded GNR stage show employs a crew member specifically to blow cocaine up her anus with a straw.

"It's gossip that keeps this band alive. We're like a bunch of old ladies," muses singer Mike Patton. "It's the only thing that's new when you're traveling in a time capsule. All you can do is talk shit."

FNM have struggled with their reasons for supporting on the GNR tour. Patton will admit openly that he's a "whore." Bill, meanwhile, enjoys an intimate view of the ugly circus: "GNR and their management are like a small government. Axl's the president, and his manager's a personal advisor. A couple of the other more visible band members are vice-presidents. Then there's the little guys who come underneath, to make sure only the right information is leaked out. They're dependent on the band for their living, so they will police themselves. Support bands are like other countries with whom they maintain a diplomatic front. Like, keep your mouth shut, enjoy the ride and everything will be cool. Open your mouth, and jeopardize your own position. It's an interesting thing to experience first hand."

Duff McKagan lopes through the Gunners' terrain backstage. He looks punch-drunk, swollen and decaying. "That's business, man," Patton will comment drily. "You have to hold your hat off to the guy who's done that to him." Duff is hoisted up the back of the stage to watch FNM by two sides of beef in uniform. This is as much as I will see of GNR.

DETAILS SEPTEMBER 1992
 
Faith No More wreak anarchy in the UK. William Shaw reports from London and Manchester.

No one put a pistol to their heads and told them they had to tour with Guns N' Roses. Faith No More thought it would be good for their bank balance. Now, after three weeks of shows, they're bored silly.

Monday they arrive in London from Paris. Tuesday morning, singer Mike Patton gets a phone call in his Kensington hotel room telling him tonight's show in Manchester has been canceled. Axl Rose is suffering from exhaustion. Patton, looking a bit like an auto mechanic no one would trust, howls like it's the funniest thing he's ever heard. Downstairs an unshaven, dispirited bass player sits in the lobby. Unlike Patton, Billy Gould says he was looking forward to tonight's concert, if only because it would give him something to do. "But I can understand how Axl would be kind of exhausted, with this rigorous schedule of ours," he deadpans.

So far, the Guns N' Roses European tour is averaging two concers per week. FNM are used to gigging six nights out of seven.
But FNM don't share a common musical goal so much as a collective loathing for good taste. The whole stadium-tour circus bugs them.

"I wouldn't go to the show," Patton tells me about their upcoming date at Wembley. "It's a spectator sport. If we can be annoying, then we've accomplished something. I think."

 take Gould and Patton for a meal in Portobello Road. They start talking unguardedly about touring with GNR. Out it all pours. Patton claims one crew member got sacked just for bumping into Axl when the singer was changing costumes one night. Warming to the theme, Gould says that he heard Axl hired an exorcist because he believed he was possessed by the spirit of the dead AC/DC singer Bon Scott. (GNR's publicist later denies both of these tales, adding that "it's physically impossible for anyone to bump into Axl.") They paint Axl as a cranky headmaster that everyone's afraid of. But their stories are backstage hearsay. The fact is, they never get to see Axl much at all.

One of Axl's minders has told Patton that Axl really likes Mr. Bungle. The minder says Axl wants to get into something heavier, more industrial. "Industrial," laughs Patton maniacally, banging the table. "That's sick!"

They have sampled Axl's voice and used it a few times in their stage act, but no one seems to notice. GNR don't watch their shows. Patton thinks they may sometimes watch them over the monitors from their backstage area, but he's not sure. "I think watching us might get in the way of snorting coke from some strippers snatch," Pattons says laughing....

In the restaurant, Patton shares a secret. Axl has TV screens on stage that display the song words in case he forgets them. On the last night of the tour, Mike Patton tells me he wants "to take a shit right on top of those TV screens, in front of tens of thousands of people."

Mike "Puffy" Bordin confides to me he's worried FNM will get thrown off this tour because of the way the band is behaving. They're too unguarded about slagging GNR.

When I tell Patton this, he wheezes with laughter. "See?" he says. "That's what he's frightened of, but that's what excites me the most." Mike's eyes shine. "Three weeks into the tour and we're already pushing it. We're going to spend the summer with these guys. To me there's nothing... no real reason why we're doing this tour. I mean, it makes real business sense, but on a personal level we have to provoke. To me, that's our duty."


The Wembley show is in a couple hours. Patton changes into a shirt that features the Route 666 logo of a Texas noise band. Jim martin puts on one that sports the moniker of his favorite defunct metal band, the Mentors.

Slash, Duff, and Matt from GNR appear in a rehearsal room down the corridor and start jamming. Slash is wearing a t-shirt that says "Fuck." A cigarette pokes out through a mass of hair.

Queen's Brian May appears, looking sheepish in white clogs and a loud shirt. He plugs in a guitar and joins in the jam, rehearsing a GNR encore he's going to play on.

Jim watches them rehearse. "What's up, Satan?" he calls to Slash.

Slash looks up. "Hey," he waves at Jim, "where'd you get that shirt?"

FNM don't get a soundcheck. They haven't had one all tour. Behind the stacks of gear, they wait to go on. One GNR flight case lays open, drawers marked with roadie jokes like "Lesbian Awareness Literature" or "Spare Panties." Billy lolls his head around, looking depressed. "People ask, 'Don't you get excited when you get onstage?'" he tells me. "For these gigs, it's more like I finally get to the head of the line in the department of motor vehicles."

Roddy, chain-smoking, explains that at concerts like this, even the audience knows how to perform. "They cheer the first group a little, the next band more, and so on."

Afterward, the group sit backstage in painful silence. After cooling their heels for a week, and pulling a hundred stupid stunts to pass the time before their show, they come away hating the set. They thought they performed abysmally.

Kerry, the pierced fan, disagrees, swearing it was a great show. The band's reaction to the show has more to do with their own depressed state of mind than anything else. In reality it was a riveting performance, dominated by Patton's frantic charisma. He'll crouch down on his haunches like a medieval gargoyle, then spring up and fling himself forward until his feet sail over his head and he'll slap back down on the stage, barking out dementedly the whole time. Before launching into a song, he'll boom out at the crowd of 70,000, "I bet you feel pretty stupid out there."

"Actually," Roddy says, in the dressing room post-match analysis, "I've got to say, Sometimes, Mike, you come off a little arrogant."


GEE I WONDER WHY AXL HAD THEM THROWN OFF THE TOUR


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: ARC on February 28, 2006, 01:14:14 PM
I don't care how many people tell me how great and "cutting-edge" Faith No More were...

.... their music still cannot hold my attention.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: WARose on February 28, 2006, 01:17:09 PM
fuckheads...


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: DeN on February 28, 2006, 01:23:32 PM
faith no more were brilliant, and mike patton is a fucking great artist and singer.
i understand both sides, and i agree guns n'roses was a big pathetic circus sometimes.

anyway, the music of the two bands was great, and that's the important point.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Butch Français on February 28, 2006, 01:26:14 PM
Mike Patton is a well known as an asshole :hihi:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Walapino on February 28, 2006, 01:28:52 PM
hahahahaha  those articles rocked, damn i miss FNM.  :'(


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: mrlee on February 28, 2006, 01:36:10 PM
mike patton has alot of caffene lol...hes like a mad hyper kid on stage, tis funny. like on the DVD, he farts into the microphone  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: GNROSAS on February 28, 2006, 01:36:20 PM
Faith No More are quite unique musically and have influnced a lot of modern groups and possible Axl too..

Mike Patton is a phenomenal singer who can sing everything..

Now about the bashing if you read the official FNM book you would understand why they made such comments and actually
thay say some nice things about Axl. They admit that they went over the top with their comments spometimes and that they were just reacting to a situation ?that they couldn't relate to.. Some of their points are quite valid and i believe they were more mature and clear headed than GNR at that time....

One thing that characterises FNM is sarscasm not only about others but about themselves too...They pass their messages in that way... It is like Brain interviews who says a lot of things with sarcasm and you can't distinguish easily if he is joking or not...

By the way i really enjoyed these interviews...I couldn't stop laughing : ok:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Olorin on February 28, 2006, 01:44:05 PM
You will be hard pushed to find anyone who has a good word to say about GN'R throughout that era.
Most of the Axl Hating all stems from his behaviour from these times.
GN'R were a fucking joke in 92.

Things improved in 93, I always thought Axl's "Dust in the Wind" performances were a statement, almost like an acknowledgment in recognition of ?being as asshole sometimes.

By all accounts GN'R were a much better unit in 93 and Axl seemed more content.

But he has been labeled the biggest prick in rock ever since.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Elle on February 28, 2006, 01:44:33 PM
lets face it they were all most likely drunk n drugged off their faces and pissed off with the sight of each other. So I can sorta understand the bitchin!


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Mr.Intensity on February 28, 2006, 01:50:47 PM
I never was a huge Faith No More fan... but Patton has a great voice and is a pretty funny guy.



Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: The Dog on February 28, 2006, 02:05:41 PM
I find it funny for all the bands/artists who have done their fair share of Axl/GNR bashing that none of them come close to the legacy that GNR has.  I doubt todays music fans would even know who half those bands/people are.

I wonder if a large part of all the shit talking was pure jealousy.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: SLCPUNK on February 28, 2006, 02:08:15 PM
Breaking news: Somebody said something "bad" about Axl 14 years ago.

Zzzzzzzz............................


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on February 28, 2006, 02:20:03 PM
Patton has a rep for getting into feuds with many singers....He and Anthony Kieidis have gone to war several times.....I have a lot of Faith No More bootlegs from when they opened for GNR and every concert Patton would talk shit about GNR on stage!! Like him or not that takes balls......At the Wembley show he told people to phone in a bomb threat when GNR would take the stage, he would say shit about Axl giving him head before the shows, saying that the feebdack from his mic would sound better than anything the crowd would hear the rest of the night....Funny thing is in Sevilla Spain FNM say that was the best show they ever played--the crowd was insane and Patton told the 60,000 people to throw bottles at the stage during the FNM set----so of course the fans did it to AXL and he went nuts threatening to stop the show..haha


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: badintentions on February 28, 2006, 02:47:01 PM
that's some funny stuff. Patton is a very talented individual. He puts out like 4 albums a year with different projects and they are always quality.

its no wonder he talked so much shit at this time about GNR and Axl. They had become a parody of themselves and rock and roll in general. I agree with one of the above posters that said this period is why Axl is so hated and made fun of nowadays.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Gunner80 on February 28, 2006, 03:11:28 PM
that's some funny stuff. Patton is a very talented individual. He puts out like 4 albums a year with different projects and they are always quality.

its no wonder he talked so much shit at this time about GNR and Axl. They had become a parody of themselves and rock and roll in general. I agree with one of the above posters that said this period is why Axl is so hated and made fun of nowadays.
Yeah, and that's why the greatest hits moves 16,000 copies a week.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: W. Botaxl Rose on February 28, 2006, 03:15:01 PM
FNM was great. The funny thing is although I loved Jim Martin, my favorite songs were made after he left. Weird.

Funny how Slash still seemed to get along with them.  :peace:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: badintentions on February 28, 2006, 03:37:40 PM
that's some funny stuff. Patton is a very talented individual. He puts out like 4 albums a year with different projects and they are always quality.

its no wonder he talked so much shit at this time about GNR and Axl. They had become a parody of themselves and rock and roll in general. I agree with one of the above posters that said this period is why Axl is so hated and made fun of nowadays.
Yeah, and that's why the greatest hits moves 16,000 copies a week.

i didn't say that gnr wasn't popular. believe me i am a huge fan and recognize they have and continue to sell many records. but if you don't recognize how much Axl gets made fun of in the media and how a lot of people really hate him (check out the sludge boards etc. someday) you are blind. i am guessing the reason for most of that negativity is because of axl's actions during the time period around the FNM tour. let's take fred durst for example (one of my least favorite people ever). his band has sold a lot of records, but he gets made fun of and is hated by a lot of people including the media. same for scott stapp, lots of records sold, hated and made fun of by millions. btw, i hate scott stapp and fred, and am a huge fan of axl, but can you understand the comparison just in those regards?


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: mikegiuliana on February 28, 2006, 03:47:35 PM
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Mike Patton tells me he wants "to take a shit right on top of those TV screens, in front of tens of thousands of people."
:hihi: :rofl: :hihi:just made me laugh


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: KeVoRkIaN on February 28, 2006, 03:55:38 PM
FNM also wanted to get kicked off the tour as the rescheduled dates after the Hetfield incident was screwing up their planned North American headlining tour for Angel Dust (which in the end - never happened)


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Lord Kayoss on February 28, 2006, 04:48:30 PM
Whew, that article is waaaaaaay too long.

I have no idea what was said, but still I say fuck you, Faith No More... : ok:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: mikegiuliana on February 28, 2006, 05:16:24 PM
Whew, that article is waaaaaaay too long.

I have no idea what was said, but still I say fuck you, Faith No More... : ok:
such typical response when axl might have been dissed :hihi:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on February 28, 2006, 05:17:16 PM
"FNM also wanted to get kicked off the tour as the rescheduled dates after the Hetfield incident was screwing up their planned North American headlining tour for Angel Dust (which in the end - never happened)"

They DID headline on their own in the USA for Angel Dust from mid September to mid October 1992 then again from mid January to March 1993..........They left the GNR tour on their own accord in mid September 1992 and thats when Axl had Ice T and Body Count replace them.......

Roddy Bottum made a great comment saying that FNM could not relate to the GNR circus round 92 but that FNM DID relate to mid-late 80's GNR...that was an honest statement


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: mikegiuliana on February 28, 2006, 05:19:41 PM
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Roddy Bottum made a great comment saying that FNM could not relate to the GNR circus round 92 but that FNM DID relate to mid-late 80's GNR...that was an honest statement

amen... I'll still never forget that quote about the different guys in gnr now, basketball coach, pilot ,car mechanics :hihi:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Grouse on February 28, 2006, 05:46:08 PM
Whew, that article is waaaaaaay too long.

I have no idea what was said, but still I say fuck you, Faith No More... : ok:

You might wanna try to read it 'cause it actually is pretty funny :hihi:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Axl4Prez2004 on February 28, 2006, 05:50:58 PM
"I think watching us might get in the way of snorting coke from some strippers snatch,"
 ???
What's a snatch??   ???

Seriously, I saw FNM, Metallica, and GNR in Buffalo, July, '92.  If memory serves me correctly, I heard FNM warming up, and it sounded just as bad when they went on for real.  The rest of the show was great.   :yes:

Axl rules.  : ok:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: mikegiuliana on February 28, 2006, 05:52:22 PM
"I think watching us might get in the way of snorting coke from some strippers snatch,"
 ???
What's a snatch??? ????

Seriously, I saw FNM, Metallica, and GNR in Buffalo, July, '92.? If memory serves me correctly, I heard FNM warming up, and it sounded just as bad when they went on for real.? The rest of the show was great.? ?:yes:

Axl rules.? : ok:

oh a snatch is an amazing thing, it's warm gets wet when excited .......... Girls have them :-*


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: G n F n R on February 28, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
I like some of Patton's Fantomas stuff but what an ungrateful douche bag. I have more respect now for Cobain who declined to tour with GN'R than being an ungrateful turd like Patton who bitched while getting a paycheck. :rant:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: metallex78 on February 28, 2006, 06:39:48 PM
I don't blame for FNM for saying what they said, GN'R did seem like a circus at that point in time.
I think that's when all the success started to get over the top.

In a way, I can see how all that extra stuff can seem so over the top to an outsider, but at the same time GN'R were HUGE and it takes a lot of people working on a team to keep such an entity so huge.
GN'R were no longer a "small club" band, maybe that's why FNM couldn't relate either.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: mikegiuliana on February 28, 2006, 06:42:32 PM
I don't blame for FNM for saying what they said, GN'R did seem like a circus at that point in time.
I think that's when all the success started to get over the top.

In a way, I can see how all that extra stuff can seem so over the top to an outsider, but at the same time GN'R were HUGE and it takes a lot of people working on a team to keep such an entity so huge.
GN'R were no longer a "small club" band, maybe that's why FNM couldn't relate either.

by the time izzy left the band and they started doing the rest of the illusion's tour it was just way over the top, big band or not half that shit wasn't needed..  they changed way to much from someone who might have seen them on headbanger's ball or the ritz then seeing them with fucking blow up afd monsters six million outfit changes two ladies singing three playing horns.. Way too much by then.. More theater then rock n roll


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: jimmythegent on February 28, 2006, 06:46:48 PM
I don't care how many people tell me how great and "cutting-edge" Faith No More were...

.... their music still cannot hold my attention.

they were a great band - one of the greats of the 90s IMO - hugely overlooked


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: estranged88 on February 28, 2006, 07:06:50 PM
Am I the ONLY one who thought it was funny that a person was employed to blow cocaine up someones ass with a straw? :rofl:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: jabba2 on February 28, 2006, 07:22:57 PM
Am I the ONLY one who thought it was funny that a person was employed to blow cocaine up someones ass with a straw? :rofl:


Yea what the hell was that about?


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: D on February 28, 2006, 07:52:47 PM
Breaking news: Somebody said something "bad" about Axl 14 years ago.

Zzzzzzzz............................

No shit, I read bout half of that and then a light bulb went off.

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT FAITH NO MORE?

ARE THEY EVEN STILL ALIVE?


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: W. Botaxl Rose on February 28, 2006, 09:18:48 PM
A perfect little snippet as to who GNR invited on tour with them here. From MTV sometime during the '92 tour.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdOtUrpSLZM

Here's some live FNM from 1997 & I always thought these two FNM songs are what Axl had in mind for what he wanted GNR to become. These songs rule.

Ashes to Ashes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tW9cw3MohUw

Stripsearch
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEU_XSsFFwO


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: KeVoRkIaN on February 28, 2006, 09:40:37 PM
"FNM also wanted to get kicked off the tour as the rescheduled dates after the Hetfield incident was screwing up their planned North American headlining tour for Angel Dust (which in the end - never happened)"

They DID headline on their own in the USA for Angel Dust from mid September to mid October 1992 then again from mid January to March 1993..........They left the GNR tour on their own accord in mid September 1992 and thats when Axl had Ice T and Body Count replace them.......

Roddy Bottum made a great comment saying that FNM could not relate to the GNR circus round 92 but that FNM DID relate to mid-late 80's GNR...that was an honest statement

I'm sure they played shows but the tour that was planned never made it to most of the States or Canada at all.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Gunner80 on February 28, 2006, 09:59:52 PM
Breaking news: Somebody said something "bad" about Axl 14 years ago.

Zzzzzzzz............................

No shit, I read bout half of that and then a light bulb went off.

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT FAITH NO MORE?

ARE THEY EVEN STILL ALIVE?
Amen brother.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: KeVoRkIaN on February 28, 2006, 10:09:36 PM
Are Faith No More still alive??? Nope - and the world has been a sad place since - sorry you missed out


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: ironfin on February 28, 2006, 10:39:41 PM
FNM more were awsome. The best live band I have ever seen. Its irrlevant what they think about GNR


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on February 28, 2006, 11:04:01 PM
Faith No More werent exactly a club band when they dissed AXL....they had just come off The Real Thing which sold several million and they had headlined many stadium festival dfates in Europe.....The thing is GNR at that point had become like The Rolling Stones-this big rock show circus atmosphere and FNM were more the type of band that will hang out at a burger joint 10 minutes after a concert..........I think Patton doing the tour and then talking shit pushing the envelope took more balls than that junkie Cobain who declined to tour with GNR even though the rest of Nirvana begged him to do it


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: DoubleTalkingJive on February 28, 2006, 11:19:47 PM
I find it funny for all the bands/artists who have done their fair share of Axl/GNR bashing that none of them come close to the legacy that GNR has.? I doubt todays music fans would even know who half those bands/people are.

I wonder if a large part of all the shit talking was pure jealousy.

Mike Patton actually does alot of shows in smaller clubs now.  He just did 2 shows in NYC about a month or 2 months ago.   He has like a cult following now.   I agree with what you say about todays fans knowing who those bands were....I was in the FNM error and when my friend said he was going to see Mike Patton, I was like who?? LOL


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: RichardNixon on March 01, 2006, 12:20:05 AM
Faith No More werent exactly a club band when they dissed AXL....they had just come off The Real Thing which sold several million and they had headlined many stadium festival dfates in Europe.....The thing is GNR at that point had become like The Rolling Stones-this big rock show circus atmosphere and FNM were more the type of band that will hang out at a burger joint 10 minutes after a concert..........I think Patton doing the tour and then talking shit pushing the envelope took more balls than that junkie Cobain who declined to tour with GNR even though the rest of Nirvana begged him to do it

The rest of Nirvana wanted to tour w/GN'R? No way.

While some say GN'R became bloated later on, the thing you have to remember is it was just one stage in an ongoing metamorphosis. I wouldn?t have wanted the GN?R of ?92 to be the leather, big haired GN?R of the golden Ritz era. And remember, the huge band w/horns, ?the circus act? was very short-lived. In ?93, it was just the six guys, stripped down, even doing an acoustic break for the show. The whole ?bloated circus act? bit is overblown, IMHO. And for the record, I did enjoy that era. I love the horns especially in ?Move to the City? and ?Bad Obsession.?? ? ?


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Dead Flower on March 01, 2006, 01:01:05 AM
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Mike Patton tells me he wants "to take a shit right on top of those TV screens, in front of tens of thousands of people."
:hihi: :rofl: :hihi:just made me laugh

Haha, Patton was obsessed with shit. While on tour he would take dumps in hotel air vents & hotel elevators.  :hihi:

Funny guy. And an insanely talented singer - possibly the best of all time, just for his sheer versatility.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: axlsalinger on March 01, 2006, 02:27:41 AM
Faith No More was a really great band, they were in my top 5 or 10 favourites for a long time. Patton was a great singer, but also completely out of control in those days. Obviously in this interview on some level he was trying to get kicked off the tour. If being the opening act on a stadium tour wasn't his thing, so be it. I prefer small venue shows, too and I know a lot of people hate the bigger ones, but it just makes no sense for a band like the Rolling Stones or GNR to play 60 nights in every city at a 1000-seat bar. It is just not feasible.

Oh well, who really cares if they didn't get along. FNM and GNR were both great bands.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: electricmage on March 01, 2006, 03:03:06 AM
Breaking news: Somebody said something "bad" about Axl 14 years ago.

Zzzzzzzz............................

No shit, I read bout half of that and then a light bulb went off.

WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT FAITH NO MORE?

ARE THEY EVEN STILL ALIVE?
Typical response from another uneducated person. FNM was probably one of the most musically revelant groups of the past 25 years. They were in a class all their own. You may not give a shit about FNM, but there are tons of people out there who still give a shit about them and Mike Patton. He declined a VR audition to if memory serves. He does fine on his own, a FNM was a fucking amazing band live. How fucking old are you?


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: The Dog on March 01, 2006, 03:07:18 AM
Faith No More werent exactly a club band when they dissed AXL....they had just come off The Real Thing which sold several million and they had headlined many stadium festival dfates in Europe.....The thing is GNR at that point had become like The Rolling Stones-this big rock show circus atmosphere and FNM were more the type of band that will hang out at a burger joint 10 minutes after a concert..........I think Patton doing the tour and then talking shit pushing the envelope took more balls than that junkie Cobain who declined to tour with GNR even though the rest of Nirvana begged him to do it

The rest of Nirvana wanted to tour w/GN'R? No way.

While some say GN'R became bloated later on, the thing you have to remember is it was just one stage in an ongoing metamorphosis. I wouldn?t have wanted the GN?R of ?92 to be the leather, big haired GN?R of the golden Ritz era. And remember, the huge band w/horns, ?the circus act? was very short-lived. In ?93, it was just the six guys, stripped down, even doing an acoustic break for the show. The whole ?bloated circus act? bit is overblown, IMHO. And for the record, I did enjoy that era. I love the horns especially in ?Move to the City? and ?Bad Obsession.?     

I agree, I don't think it was their best period, but it was different and worked on some levels.  And lets be honest, rock should be larger then life, not at the expense of the music, but if you have both elements, i think your'e getting your monies worth.  Everyone complained about the excess and then we got grunge.  Now look at what we have....pure crap extract.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: electricmage on March 01, 2006, 03:15:44 AM
Faith No More werent exactly a club band when they dissed AXL....they had just come off The Real Thing which sold several million and they had headlined many stadium festival dfates in Europe.....The thing is GNR at that point had become like The Rolling Stones-this big rock show circus atmosphere and FNM were more the type of band that will hang out at a burger joint 10 minutes after a concert..........I think Patton doing the tour and then talking shit pushing the envelope took more balls than that junkie Cobain who declined to tour with GNR even though the rest of Nirvana begged him to do it

The rest of Nirvana wanted to tour w/GN'R? No way.

While some say GN'R became bloated later on, the thing you have to remember is it was just one stage in an ongoing metamorphosis. I wouldn?t have wanted the GN?R of ?92 to be the leather, big haired GN?R of the golden Ritz era. And remember, the huge band w/horns, ?the circus act? was very short-lived. In ?93, it was just the six guys, stripped down, even doing an acoustic break for the show. The whole ?bloated circus act? bit is overblown, IMHO. And for the record, I did enjoy that era. I love the horns especially in ?Move to the City? and ?Bad Obsession.?? ? ?

I agree, I don't think it was their best period, but it was different and worked on some levels.? And lets be honest, rock should be larger then life, not at the expense of the music, but if you have both elements, i think your'e getting your monies worth.? Everyone complained about the excess and then we got grunge.? Now look at what we have....pure crap extract.

Just because you have the funds, doesn't always mean band should use it all to the fullest extent. Tom Petty has a shitload of money, but I don't see all kinds of added crap at his shows. I think those shows from 92 are ridiculous sounding and looking. Why they wanted to use those songs from 92 on the live era album is beyond me. The guitars are muddy, Axl is running around like a fucking moron out of breath. Two piano players, backup singers and Horns?


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on March 01, 2006, 09:09:59 AM
I dont think they recorded any of the Appetite shows themselves other than marquee 87 so that explains why live era was mostly songs from 92-93.......the bloated circus act of 92 must have been influenced by the stones (remember in 89 axl sung on stage with them) keyboards, background singers, huge stage, horn players.......i do not prefer the circus act either but once the boys would rip into 'Nightrain' or "Its so Easy' you forget about all that extra shit.........................as for Patton and FNM, Patton seems to want to be the Johhny Depp of music, and yet he is releasing a 100 percent pop/trip hop album in 2 months called Peeping Tom which may be his way of trying to ge into mainstream..............I have a Patton JJJ interview from 1993 where he made fun of Axl coming up to him and telling him the song 'Midlife Crisis' helped AXL get thru "a lot of tought times"..


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: Disco Volante on March 01, 2006, 09:29:25 AM
Are Faith No More still alive??? Nope - and the world has been a sad place since - sorry you missed out

I am still recovering from the Mr. Bungle breakup. :'( At least there's still Tomahawk/Fantomas and Peeping Tom is coming out soon. 


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on March 01, 2006, 10:27:16 AM
ANOTHER FNM EXCERPT TRASHING AXL

Rip Magazine issue December 1992
Faith No More
Dusted
By Mark Putterford
Singer Mike Patton is the least beautiful of all. He shuffles from table to table in the huge catering tent erected behind the stage at Gateshead Stadium, the outdoor arena near Newcastle in the northeast of England where the Guns N' Roses/FNM/Soundgarden carnival has alighted this day, clad in the most stomach-wrenching pair of leather knickers imaginable--bought, he boasts, at an Iranian flea market in Paris and made from such crusty hide "it feels like I've got half a dead cow wrapped around my balls." On his feet are boots a gravedigger wouldn't be caught dead in; on his back an old rag masquerading as a T-shirt; on his head enough grease to fry a full English breakfast.

The 10 p.m. curfew at Gateshead means that FNM have to go on in blazing sunshine, and it's clear that conditions are hardly conducive for a classic perfomance. But as the band churns through "The Real Thing," "Midlife Crisis" and "We Care A Lot" into the guts of the set, they fall into a measured stride that once again seems at odds with their apparently disjointed delivery. This, after all, is the only place you'll encounter a deadpan rendition of the theme from the 1969 film Midnight Cowboy rubbing shoulders with a vicious spurt of hyperblur like "Introduce Yourself." And thus, what better as an encore than an alarmingly authentic cover of the Commodores' super-smoochy smash "Easy"?

It's 6:30 p.m. when Mike Patton slams himself the stage for the last time, and within a minute FNM are slumped across the leather sofas of a dressing room equipped with a sumptuous spread of food and several crates of ice-cold beer.

"I almost squirted shit out of my ass tonight onstage," confesses Mike Patton. "It was a real buttock-clenching time for a while. Shit, I hope Axl doesn't have the same problem tonight, what with him wearing those tight white pants and all."

"Hey," Bordin exclaims, "didn't Axl speak to Jim yesterday?"
"Naw, I think it was Patton," says Bill. "I think he said, 'Huhrrrmmmmmnnn,' as he flashed past with his bodyguards."
"I heard it was more like, 'Rrrraaaahhhggg,' actually," adds Roddy.
"Naw, I'm pretty sure it was, 'Huhrrrmmmmmnnn,'" protests Bill.
"Some guy sad to Patton, 'Hey Mike, Axl just spoke to you!' and Patton was like, 'He did?'"

By and large FNM feel they've been treated well on this European tour with Guns N' Roses, although there've hardly been many opportunities to hang out with their illustrious compatriots. As Bill says: "Touring with Axl has been like touring with Michael Jackson--although I think I've seen Michael Jackson more times on this tour that I have Axl!"
Axl aside, contact with the GN'R inner sanctum has been casual and cool. And walking around backstage at Gateshead, you get the impression that, incessant interference from the media and other unwelcome distractions aside, the atmosphere is a little lighter and more comfortable than when Guns visited Europe on the Get in the Ring tour in the summer of 1991. Last time it seemed you needed a laminated VIP pass to even be allowed to breathe in the vicinity of the band. Now everyone seems more relaxed, with smiling faces and friendly nods being the order of the day. Why, even a journalist stumbling into the Guns' dressing room looking for the toilet is forgiven with a shrug of the shoulders when once he'd probably have been mashed into pulp by a hit squad of hulking musclemen.

Yet despite the friendliness surrounding this tour, you get the feeling that the FNM chaps haven't exactly had the time of their lives on the trip; that somehow the whole concept of playing huge outdoor shows is at odds with the essence of the band's attitude and approach.

"Yeah, we're not the kind of band that's make for this kind of stadium show," explains Bill. "It's just not what FNM is about. It may be good from a business point of view because our record has just come out--what better way to promote it than to get on a big tour like this?--but if we had our way, we wouldn't be doing this. I mean, it's cool to be out there in front of a lot of people, but, man, the sound is shit, the place is too big, the crowd is a fucking mile away...it lends itself to more of a cabaret act--the kind of band that wants to indulge in all that theatrical bullshit, with costume changes every other song. I mean, we do change our clothes, but usually only once a month."

The whole sickly circus (just as intense and absurd in the U.K. as it is in the U.S.) that surrounds any GN'R activaty has made life pretty difficult to bear for FNM as well. Ask any of the band how they feel being at the eye of the hurricane, and chances are the inquiry will be met with an expression that suggests someone nearby has passed wind.

"When is this interview going to be printed?" asks Bill with a nervous laugh. "You see, I have to watch what I say. But, hey, fuck that, just print this: I hate the whole circus thing. We all hate it. But at the moment we don't have the power to do what we want to do, so we still have to eat a little bit of shit. We almost have the power to control what we do, but not quite; so we're just gritting our teeth and getting through it the best we can. Every band in the world might think they want to open for GN'R but, lemme tell you, it's been a real ugly personal experience having to deal with all the shit that surrounds this fucking circus. I've always hated that aspect of rock music, and I've never wanted to be part of it; so to find myself being associated with a tour this big kinda sucks."

"Besides," Roddy pipes up, "I'm getting more and more confused about who's who in Guns N' Roses, and it's blowing my mind. There's Dizzy and Iggy and Lizzy and Tizzy and Gilby and Giddy. Shit, man, onstage now there's a horn section, two chick backup singers, two keyboard players, an airline pilot, a basketball coach, a coupla car mechanics


In the background Guns N' Roses can be heard lauching into "Live and Let Die," and those still hanging in the FNM dressing room exchange silent smirks. Patton starts to cackle uncontrollably. They seem resigned to the fact that they're gonna have to put up with all this until October, when the awesome U.S. arena bill of Guns, Metallica and FNM winds down.

"This is really just the beginning for us," sighs Bill. "Last time we toured, with The Real Thing, I left home at the age of 26 and got back when I was 28. Some of my friends had moved away, some had gotten married, some had had kids--I had a hard time dealing with that. This time I'm 29, and I know I'm gonna be on the road until I'm 31. Fuck, I don't even wanna think about it."

Mike Patton shuffles back into the room with a pint of coffee in a transparent plastic container and the welcome news that it's almost time to get on the bus for the long overnight drive to London, where they'll snatch a few hours rest before heading on to some godforsaken German hellhole. GN'R will be flying down in their private jet. That doesn't bother FNM though--least of all the explosion-in-a-junk-shop figure of young Patton, who is, after all, just as happy playing with and promoting his side project, the mysterious Mr. Bungle.

"I can't see this band going that way," he grins. "We'd probably end up hitchin' rides to each town with truck drivers or something."










Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on March 01, 2006, 10:27:55 AM
HERES ANOTHER FEW

HERE ARE SOME MORE INTERVIEW EXCEPRTS OF PATTONA ND THE BOYS DISSING AXL AND GNR

Hot Metal Issue Mid 1992
ANGEL OF WEIRD
Angel Dust may seriously damage your mental health, but Faith No More's version is seriously good for your ears. Jeremy Sheaffe spoke with Mike Patton and Billy Gould, but still couldn't find out what a Jizzlobber really is

When we did 'The Real Thing'," exlpains Billy, "we had a tiny budget, we were broke and on top of that nobody really gave a shit about us. Nobody knew what kind of music we played and nobody could classify us. We were at a real disadvantage in those days, but now we're at a real advantage." Adding to the advantageous position the band find themselves in is the fact that all through June and most of July this year they joined Spundgarden as support to the metal circus that is Guns 'N' Roses' European tour. And then, from July 17 to who knows when, they'll be warming the stage for Metallica and the Gunners on their co-headlining jaunt around America. Rock 'n' roll or wot?

"Oh God yes," agrees the now sjort-haired Patton. "Its a total spectacle, a sick circus..."

And what part of this sideshow do Faith No More play? My guess is the freak show, or perhaps the clwons. I'm wrong again.

"We're not even involved. We're just watching it. Guns 'N' Roses are the circus... it's amazing... it's just a lot of money and way too much time to spend it in."

Referring back to the tour's carnival atmosphere and blatant excess, and hinting at Faith No More's unerring ability to be the fly in the ointment, Patton adds, "It's more like you see so many thing that are fucked up that you wanna say something - and we're already pushing it. The amazing thing is that everybody knows something is going to happen," he laughs. "By the time we get to the States, I'm sure something will have happened!" Mike didn't have to wait very long for something to happen. On the day of our interview, Guns 'N' Roses decided, two hours before they were due on stage, that Axl was "too exhausted" to play to 30, 000 eager fans in Manchester, England.

Billy says that kind of thing has happened every day, that the Gunners go on stage late "all the time. We wouldn't do it, so I don't know why it is. I'd like to know myself!"

So Bill thinks the best thing about being in FNM is travelling the world. And what about Mr. Patton? Unsurprisingly, Mile's answer is totally different to Bill's.

"I would have to say kiddie porn," he says without hesitation. " I received a video tape of child pornography once from a Japanese fan who was only a little girl herself, very nice and polite. She came up to me and said 'I hear you like porno, here's a present for you!' because in Japan that's the way they express themselves. So I was like, 'Wow, thanks!'
"I took the tape home and put it in my VCR and it was like 'Oh my God!' I didn't expect that at all, especially from a little girl. The fan who gave it to me was like a teenager and the girl in the film, she was probably 12, 11."..I dont know which was sicker, that video or watching Axl switch costumes 10 times a night."

Interview with Mike Patton during the Angel Dust tour
Ten Minutes in the Mind of MIKE PATTON
interviewed by Amy Raphael

Why do you go so mad on stage?
'I always feel a need to provoke, especially if we're supporting some band like Guns N' Roses and people aren't really listening. By insulting them, you make them at least look: it's the lowest common denominator. When I do flips, I always land correctly, I only bruise myself.

What makes you laugh?

'What a nebulous fucking question. Ha ha! I saw two people in a bar recently, really drunk and flirting with each other. My first instinct was "Oh my God!" 'cause I knew one of them. They were sitting on high bar stools and they were learning forwards, just about to kiss, when they fell off and crashed to the ground. Justice!'

Who were they?
'Axl Rose and Warren Beatty.'

Can we print that? Axl probably won't see it anyway.
'Oh yes he will. He has Axl policemen checking things like that for him.'

Rip It Up (NZ Music Magazine) Issue No.180, July 1992
By Tony Miller

This isn't how I imagined Mike Patton. The frantic maniac clad in a McDonalds uniform who drove an Auckland crowd into a slam dancing, stage diving frenzy now sniffles miserably down the line from London, overcome by allergies, exhaustion and the "goddamm shit English weather". But Mike Patton and Faith No More haven't got much else to be unhappy about.

Talking of such, how's touring with Guns n'Roses?

"We never have any contact at all. They seem to live in a whole different world so I can't relate to them. I can tell you funny stories and that's all."

Such as?

"A juicy titbit I heard the other day was that Warren Beatty was fucking Axel's girlfriend. I think he knoes because we had a show cancelled the other day and maybe - just maybe - that had something to do with it."


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: RichardNixon on March 01, 2006, 11:06:53 AM
yawn.


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: GNROSAS on March 01, 2006, 11:31:32 AM
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"Besides," Roddy pipes up, "I'm getting more and more confused about who's who in Guns N' Roses, and it's blowing my mind. There's Dizzy and Iggy and Lizzy and Tizzy and Gilby and Giddy. Shit, man, onstage now there's a horn section, two chick backup singers, two keyboard players, an airline pilot, a basketball coach, a coupla car mechanics


 :hihi: :hihi: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: Mike Patton/Faith No More--- AXL BASHING back in 92
Post by: waxlrose1987 on March 01, 2006, 02:22:59 PM
suprisingly axl never had a rant about this on stage