News Greatest hits out in March!!

[padje]

Right. But then if GN'R where finished, why would dizzy send me an autograph last thursday, signing GN'R '04? But ofcourse, a high ranking official in Universal circles would know better then one of the artists himself, wouldn't he?

[misterID]

Why wouldn't Universal know about GNR? Oh that's right, they have no direct contact with the band.  

There's no way that info would leak, especially to someone who would post it on a message boad.

If you would have said Geffen or Interscope it would've given you more credibility...

Isn't it possible that Universal would know since CD is supposed to be a major release?

Also, the original release of the GH was leaked to someone on the internet. Someone on Sludge posted about it at least a month before it appeared on any music sites but no one believed him. In fact his claims were very similar to this poster's. He said CD was scrapped in favor of a GH.

So this poster very well could be telling the truth. It may not make much sense to scrap CD, but since when did anything regarding CD make any sense?

The last sentence of your post should answer your question.

Things do get leaked, and if it were true there would be rumors going around like wild fire.

Look at it, he's friends with one of the "top guys" for Universal music in Europe. Why would this big wig say to someone (who would run as fast as he could to the nearest message board and post it):

"Last time they had a relase date for CD was almost 2 years ago, at that point they recived new Dates from the States every quarter.
Suddenly there were no more dates.
He also asked the States if the relase of "greatest hits" had anything to do with
CD as a promotion campaing, the answer was NO!!!!!
They want to get some money back after all investment put into CD.
He also mentioned that if CD was such a great record it would have been relased years ago, otherwise he had no other explanation.
If they were to show up in Rio, we are probally going to see the same set list again I guess."

Does this sound right to you? He basicly just did what every other "false insider" does by grabbing a lot of old rumors and tying them together. There was nothing new in his post. It wasn't like when Mysteron said the GH album was going to be cancelled, and then it was. He didn't say anything. Look at the last part of his post about Rio. I don't think he knew what to do with the Rio gig, since it didn't fit with his story.

If someone in Europe found out about this, why wouldn't Mysteron or someone else in the states? If this was true, why hadn't this leaked out by now here? If they said CD was cancled, you don't think that would make some noise? Why would they release a GH to re-coup the money, when they know there would be more interest in CD. Look at Live Era, you'd see the same sells figures for the GH CD, plus most of the tracklist was covers. How would they make their money back with that? Why would the band be looking to go on a European tour? What would the label gain by shelving the music?

[Acquiesce]

If someone in Europe found out about this, why wouldn't Mysteron or someone else in the states? If this was true, why hadn't this leaked out by now here? If they said CD was cancled, you don't think that would make some noise? Why would they release a GH to re-coup the money, when they know there would be more interest in CD. Look at Live Era, you'd see the same sells figures for the GH CD, plus most of the tracklist was covers. How would they make their money back with that? Why would the band be looking to go on a European tour? What would the label gain by shelving the music?

I'm not saying I necessarily believe this guy, because we are all too familiar with people posting bogus rumor. However, this particular rumor is deja vu of the first time we heard of the GH so I can't help but wonder if it is happening again.

You are saying if this is true it would leak out, but it did not leak the first time the GH came about. Mysteron seemed to find out about the GH at the same time the rest of us did. In fact, I was under the impression the band did not find out about it until then either. So isn't it possible the same thing could be happening this time?

The only difference between this time and last time is GNR is playing RIR and it does seem odd that they would play RIR without new material, but they have done it before so who is to say they won't do it again?

[HoldenCaulfield]

dial F for failure. If, and that's a fucking HUGE if, there is a "greatest hits" released, it definitely would not take the place of 'Chinese Democracy', or even used as filler until they can get the album out.  

[misterID]

Anything is possible. That's true.

I don't remember the rumor coming out months before GH was placed on amazon.com, all I remember is someone posting the tracklist when the mysterious GNR cd popped up on Amazon and no one knew what it was, and he was lambasted. But I'm saying that obviously something was sent out to Amazon.com and other sites saying something is coming, so its not hard to believe that someone obtained that information THEN.  If CD was cancled don't you think the band members would know? If someone tells a distributor this info, don't you think the band would know it, or other people who have insiders in the record label? Or at least the word would get around?

Last time they played RIR they did play new material remember.

[Acquiesce]

Anything is possible. That's true.

I don't remember the rumor coming out months before GH was placed on amazon.com, all I remember is someone posting the tracklist when the mysterious GNR cd popped up on Amazon and no one knew what it was, and he was lambasted. But I'm saying that obviously something was sent out to Amazon.com and other sites saying something is coming, so its not hard to believe that someone obtained that information THEN.  If CD was cancled don't you think the band members would know? If someone tells a distributor this info, don't you think the band would know it, or other people who have insiders in the record label? Or at least the word would get around?

Last time they played RIR they did play new material remember.

The first time the original rumor popped up it was very similar to this. Some guy on Sludge claimed that he heard from the record company that CD was scrapped in favor of a GH which was to be released around Christmas time. This was at least a month before the tracklisting or anything like that appeared. Of course no one believed this guy and the rumor died off extremely fast until it reappeared a month later.

I didn't believe it myself because it made no sense that CD would be scrapped, but we now know the guy was at least partially correct.

The idea of CD being scrapped still confuses me, but I would not be suprised if the GH pops up again. That's all I am saying.

Oh and you're correct they did play new material the last time. I should have said they played without an album to support.

[pilferk]

I am back again, i didn?t mean to dissapoint you guys.
I cannot name my source but he?s high ranked Universal boss.
He knows I love GNR. Last time they had a relase date for CD was almost 2 years ago, at that point they recived new Dates from the States every quarter.
Suddenly there were no more dates.
He also asked the States if the relase of "greatest hits" had anything to do with
CD as a promotion campaing, the answer was NO!!!!!
They want to get some money back after all investment put into CD.
He also mentioned that if CD was such a great record it would have been relased years ago, otherwise he had no other explanation.
If they were to show up in Rio, we are probally going to see the same set list again I guess.
Guns forever/Johan

Interesting.  Very interesting. Mostly because Universal (the company known as Vivendi Universal) and Universal Music, since the NBC/GE deal, have absolutely nothing to do with each other.  Universal Music is now run as it's own seperate company, and is no longer part of Vivendi Universal.  What's REALLY interesting is, last I knew, Universal Music (UMG) was run entirely (at least from an executive control standpoint) from within North America (and mostly out of the U.S....CA and NY to be exact).  So, I don't know who Johan's "source" is, but again, last time I checked, Universal Music doesn't have any "European Executives" or "high ranking Universal Bosses" outside of North America.  Universal Music International (UMI) does, but have NOTHING TO DO WITH TOP LEVEL DECISION MAKING at UMG OR INTERSCOPE.  UMG does own LABELS outside the U.S. and North America, and even publish and distribute outside the U.S. and North America (usually, but not always,through UMI), but the executive structure and major decision making is entirely housed in North America (and mostly in the U.S.).  

And another point:
Last I heard, UMG pretty much allowed each label to operate as a seperate entity, even though they were all under a common umbrella.  That means Interscope/Geffen executives make decisions about their label,  Island Def Jam executives makes decisions regarding their label, etc, etc.  While UMG is kept "in the loop", they do not make decisions about releases, artist signings, etc.  I haven't heard that's changed, and in light of UMG begin cut loose from Vivendi Universal, and UMG's more independant operation, I would be very surprised if it did, given how profitable this method has been.

Just thought that might add a bit to the conversations going on here.

[misterID]

I am back again, i didn?t mean to dissapoint you guys.
I cannot name my source but he?s high ranked Universal boss.
He knows I love GNR. Last time they had a relase date for CD was almost 2 years ago, at that point they recived new Dates from the States every quarter.
Suddenly there were no more dates.
He also asked the States if the relase of "greatest hits" had anything to do with
CD as a promotion campaing, the answer was NO!!!!!
They want to get some money back after all investment put into CD.
He also mentioned that if CD was such a great record it would have been relased years ago, otherwise he had no other explanation.
If they were to show up in Rio, we are probally going to see the same set list again I guess.
Guns forever/Johan

Interesting.  Very interesting. Mostly because Universal (the company known as Vivendi Universal) and Universal Music, since the NBC/GE deal, have absolutely nothing to do with each other.  Universal Music is now run as it's own seperate company, and is no longer part of Vivendi Universal.  What's REALLY interesting is, last I knew, Universal Music (UMG) was run entirely (at least from an executive control standpoint) from within North America (and mostly out of the U.S....CA and NY to be exact).  So, I don't know who Johan's "source" is, but again, last time I checked, Universal Music doesn't have any "European Executives" or "high ranking Universal Bosses" outside of North America.  Universal Music International (UMI) does, but have NOTHING TO DO WITH TOP LEVEL DECISION MAKING at UMG OR INTERSCOPE.  UMG does own LABELS outside the U.S. and North America, and even publish and distribute outside the U.S. and North America (usually, but not always,through UMI), but the executive structure and major decision making is entirely housed in North America (and mostly in the U.S.).  

And another point:
Last I heard, UMG pretty much allowed each label to operate as a seperate entity, even though they were all under a common umbrella.  That means Interscope/Geffen executives make decisions about their label,  Island Def Jam executives makes decisions regarding their label, etc, etc.  While UMG is kept "in the loop", they do not make decisions about releases, artist signings, etc.  I haven't heard that's changed, and in light of UMG begin cut loose from Vivendi Universal, and UMG's more independant operation, I would be very surprised if it did, given how profitable this method has been.

Just thought that might add a bit to the conversations going on here.

  That's why he should have used Geffen or Interscope instead of Universal. Yeah, distributors are going to ax a record to recoup the money they never spent on it

GirlGunner: Okay, I thought you were trying to say this guy might be telling the truth when its obvious he was talking out of his ass. I don't remember the sludge rumor, just the velvetrope tracklisting post. Either that guy heard about the GH coming out and he put his own spin on it (what Pure did with the VMA's, when the rumor had been floating around for about a week), or he made a lucky guess. But I'm sure the GH may poke its head up one day.

[axlsalinger]

Is there no one accessing this message board that can answer one simple question about this band? Surely someone must know, or run into, at some point in time and space, a person like Del James or Tommy Stinson or Beta or Sean Beavan or Bryn Bridenthal who can shed some light on this situation.

Has Axl Rose been committed to an asylum, or is this album completed?

As long as we don't hear that they will soon enter the studio to put the finishing touches on it!!  

[charl!edontsurf]

I totally love darknemus' posts and do somewhat trust his info... but all I can keep thinking about is how he thought MFP was Axl.  

[darknemus]

I totally love darknemus' posts and do somewhat trust his info... but all I can keep thinking about is how he thought MFP was Axl.  

I sure as hell did.  I won't deny that one  Of course, had I heard the entire track initially, I would have never drawn the same conclusion.  Oh well, at least that's one mystery that's now buried.

-darknemus

[vortex05]

Nah, I don't believe it.  

although mtv do have that info...(care of gnr_flyers on newgnr.com)

http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/guns_n_roses/359014/album.jhtml

mtv have not released any 'news' of the release, so i'm not yet convinced it's definate.

That Track list still hurts my eyes. I mean realy.. somethings really dont belong there...

[Johan]

Gunners!
All I am saying is what I heard from my source(reliable).
Remember it?s againts the bands will. Maybe they will do their last
release with Universal by giving out "Greatest Hits".
It?s alot of money and politics involved(beyond our control), and maybe the band as well.
I will come back with more info later, until then wait for "greatest Hits".
/Johan

[misterID]

Why would they release it through Universal? That's not their label.

[misterID]

It doesn't help your credibility by not responding. I didn't even ask you to name your source, just use a bit of logic.

Universal doesn't have a say over Geffen and its artist. What does your source say about Geffen breaking off on its own? Why would they try to re-coup the money spent on the recordings with a GH package with mostly covers on it? What was the breaking point that lead to this decision? Why is the band planning a concert if there's no reason to be a band anymore?

[erose]

Why would they release it through Universal? That's not their label.

ok, this might sound stupid, but i don?t know much about record lables and shit like that.. could someone please explain the deal with geffen and interscope and universal..

why is there universal stickers on the gn?r albums i.e. here in norway... what has universal to do with anything at all... i?m confused as fuck here

some explenation is appreciated

[misterID]

Why would they release it through Universal? That's not their label.

ok, this might sound stupid, but i don?t know much about record lables and shit like that.. could someone please explain the deal with geffen and interscope and universal..

why is there universal stickers on the gn?r albums i.e. here in norway... what has universal to do with anything at all... i?m confused as fuck here

some explenation is appreciated

Pilferk explained it in this thread above, but Universal will distribute music from the labels in Europe. Geffen, Interscope and I believe A&M were working under Universal music. But Geffen (GNR's label) is breaking away, or has broken away from that group, but Universal Music will probably still distribute GNR's music in Europe. But the funny thing is, Universal doesn't have a say in decision making on the labels bands.

[Bubba St. Rose]

Gunners!
All I am saying is what I heard from my source(reliable).
Remember it?s againts the bands will. Maybe they will do their last
release with Universal by giving out "Greatest Hits".
It?s alot of money and politics involved(beyond our control), and maybe the band as well.
I will come back with more info later, until then wait for "greatest Hits".
/Johan

For crying out loud, I've been coming to this site for what seems like the better part of a decade and I still can't understand some of you people. For example, why don't people just name their "reliable source"? Nobody knows who you are and "your source" probably doesn't come to this site. Who are these people trying to protect and from what? Anytime someone says I have a source, i laugh. It's a joke. Out of he hundreds on here who say they have a source, maybe 1 or 2 actually do.
If I had a source, and I don't, I'd name name them, give you ALL the details and give away all the secrets. Until someone actually goes that far, I wouldn't believe very many people on this site...

[Ignatius]

Ok, I'm now through reading 3 pages of replies and I'm still in the same position I was yesterday before reading this thread; Chinese Democracy is coming out. GH album is not.

This first time poster's post doesn't even qualified as a rumour. No source, no names, nothing. Nada.

Shit, At least Raoxsle's posts are far more entertaining and interesting...By the way, where is Raxosle when we need him the most? any insight on this Raoxsle?

[SLCPUNK]

Haven't we gone through all this already?