New Duff podcast - "Gn'R taking 2024 off"

[DeN]

...and now generative AI with which you can create your own music tracks,
in the style you desire, possibly with the voice of your favorite singer.

In the near future, we might be able to subscribe to artificial intelligences of
well-known musicians and form our own bands with them, to then create our
own albums. Imagine Universal creating this service that will allow artists to
have their AI double, the dream of seeing musicians, whether deceased or
alive, playing together.

[NaturalLight]

It's amazing how much the way music is "consumed" has changed. Most of us used to listen to the radio and watch MTV when GN'R released Appetite. We would get records from a store, record club or maybe a mail order catalogue. If you couldn't afford to buy a single, you'd tape it off the radio.

Fast forward to the early 2000s. Now you could download any track you wanted and get a digital copy of it for free. No more taping off the radio or borrowing your friend's CD/LP to copy that. Until people started buying tracks for $0.99 on iTunes.

And now. Streaming and songs catered to the Tik Tok crowd where songs are basically made to fit in a video clip posted on social media....



If you look at the people who buy tickets to go see GN'R. I wonder how many of them actually buys physical records. Of any artist.





/jarmo

I'm gonna sound like the old guy that I am, but damn those were the days! The countdown to a new video (which often meant a new song if you didn't own the cassette or album); the rumors that took longer to verify since there was no internet; the radio stations that would say something like . . . "Tune in at 5 p.m. today for a major concert announcement." (the then-96 Rock in Atlanta did that in the 80s).

In regards to your last question, my guess is that if you look around at the crowd, you will see a mix that can be determined by age. Those my age might buy the hardcopies and the younger crowd might be more into streaming - or albums, since they're making a comeback (even the younger folks are jumping onboard). Oddly enough, I'm a spotify guy now but that's only because - when I got a new car about three or four years ago - it didn't come with a CD player. If it did, I'd still buy them. Of course, I'm pretty much stereotyping here and could be completely off.

But I wanted to reply because your comment created an enjoyable sense of nostalgia that I'm glad I was able to partake in. I will admit, however, I did not enjoy camping out for concert tickets or trying to call in and buy them over the phone and getting a constant busy signal. However, because it was the musical hardcopies making the bands money, the tickets were cheaper. That I do miss!

[D-GenerationX]

...and now generative AI with which you can create your own music tracks,
in the style you desire, possibly with the voice of your favorite singer.

You ever check out the Axl ones on YouTube?

Some, obviously horrendous.  I would put the vast majority as good, not great.

But the ones that are great are EXCELLENT.  I have a few of him doing Roxette tunes and Adele tunes.  Not artists that typically populate my iPod.  But they are fucking incredibly well done.

[jarmo]

In regards to your last question, my guess is that if you look around at the crowd, you will see a mix that can be determined by age. Those my age might buy the hardcopies and the younger crowd might be more into streaming - or albums, since they're making a comeback (even the younger folks are jumping onboard). Oddly enough, I'm a spotify guy now but that's only because - when I got a new car about three or four years ago - it didn't come with a CD player. If it did, I'd still buy them. Of course, I'm pretty much stereotyping here and could be completely off.

Personally, I buy physical copies from artists I really like. But I buy less than I used to for sure. Thanks to streaming, I don't need to buy every single CD/LP that has a few good tracks.


There's all kinds of fans at shows. Some, as you pointed out, still like to buy CDs and/or LPs. But I'm sure there are people there who like to listen to the artist on streaming only, and they will still go see the artist every single time. And not just young people.

On top of that, how many of them listen to albums start to finish.

But I wanted to reply because your comment created an enjoyable sense of nostalgia that I'm glad I was able to partake in. I will admit, however, I did not enjoy camping out for concert tickets or trying to call in and buy them over the phone and getting a constant busy signal. However, because it was the musical hardcopies making the bands money, the tickets were cheaper. That I do miss!

The first show I saw was GN'R in 1991. I think my ticket was about $20.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

The first show I saw was GN'R in 1991. I think my ticket was about $20.

Whenever anyone posts an old concert ticket stub, I am immediately drawn to the price, like...damn.

[cineater]

The first show I saw was GN'R in 1991. I think my ticket was about $20.

Whenever anyone posts an old concert ticket stub, I am immediately drawn to the price, like...damn.

I got some that say $5 and I was right up front.     Last few posts are bringing back a lot of memories.  Lots of regrets I missed a lot of bands because at the time the money wasn't there.  Albums I didn't get to own.  But music sure had it's place in my life at one time and it was good.

[NaturalLight]

There's all kinds of fans at shows. Some, as you pointed out, still like to buy CDs and/or LPs. But I'm sure there are people there who like to listen to the artist on streaming only, and they will still go see the artist every single time. And not just young people.



The first show I saw was GN'R in 1991. I think my ticket was about $20.


/jarmo

Haha, I can guarantee it's not just young people. I'm getting up there in age now and try to see my favorite artists every time. But, like I noted earlier, I sold or gave away most of my CDs once I got a car that didn't have a player and went to Spotify. I'm like you, however, in regards to (uber) favorite artists: I will still buy hardcopy editions of new music, although, admittedly, some of it is more for display.

I saw them about the same year as you and my ticket also was about $20. 

[jarmo]

I guess it's a convenience thing. Streaming doesn't take up any shelf space. 




/jarmo

[DeN]

...and now generative AI with which you can create your own music tracks,
in the style you desire, possibly with the voice of your favorite singer.

You ever check out the Axl ones on YouTube?

Some, obviously horrendous.  I would put the vast majority as good, not great.


But the ones that are great are EXCELLENT.  I have a few of him doing Roxette tunes and Adele tunes.  Not artists that typically populate my iPod.  But they are fucking incredibly well done.

yes, "AiXL ROSE" is a very well trained AI for example, my favorite

[Oliver]

I've heard AI Axl has refused to record new vocals. 

[Mysteron]

The first show I saw was GN'R in 1991. I think my ticket was about $20.

Whenever anyone posts an old concert ticket stub, I am immediately drawn to the price, like...damn.

I got some that say $5 and I was right up front.     Last few posts are bringing back a lot of memories.  Lots of regrets I missed a lot of bands because at the time the money wasn't there.  Albums I didn't get to own.  But music sure had it's place in my life at one time and it was good.

I saw Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Vixen et al at Milton Keynes Bowl in 1989 and the ticket was only £10 lol

[The Wight Gunner]

In regards to your last question, my guess is that if you look around at the crowd, you will see a mix that can be determined by age. Those my age might buy the hardcopies and the younger crowd might be more into streaming - or albums, since they're making a comeback (even the younger folks are jumping onboard). Oddly enough, I'm a spotify guy now but that's only because - when I got a new car about three or four years ago - it didn't come with a CD player. If it did, I'd still buy them. Of course, I'm pretty much stereotyping here and could be completely off.

Personally, I buy physical copies from artists I really like. But I buy less than I used to for sure. Thanks to streaming, I don't need to buy every single CD/LP that has a few good tracks.


There's all kinds of fans at shows. Some, as you pointed out, still like to buy CDs and/or LPs. But I'm sure there are people there who like to listen to the artist on streaming only, and they will still go see the artist every single time. And not just young people.

On top of that, how many of them listen to albums start to finish.

But I wanted to reply because your comment created an enjoyable sense of nostalgia that I'm glad I was able to partake in. I will admit, however, I did not enjoy camping out for concert tickets or trying to call in and buy them over the phone and getting a constant busy signal. However, because it was the musical hardcopies making the bands money, the tickets were cheaper. That I do miss!

The first show I saw was GN'R in 1991. I think my ticket was about $20.



/jarmo

I still buy CD's and vinyl, my 1980's  Hifi is the envy of my kids    Love getting oriignal pressings of vinyl too, loads of artist have been run through my stylus and the analogue sound and richness of those recordings still rock. Caught the postman the other day sat on my doorstep "taking a breather  " whilst I played The Wall by Floyd. He did say he loves that album and is minded to get a copy himself.

[Chandler]

I saw GnR, Metallica and FNM for $35 in 1992. God how things have changed!

[FreddieJames]

...and now generative AI with which you can create your own music tracks,
in the style you desire, possibly with the voice of your favorite singer.

You ever check out the Axl ones on YouTube?

Some, obviously horrendous.  I would put the vast majority as good, not great.

But the ones that are great are EXCELLENT.  I have a few of him doing Roxette tunes and Adele tunes.  Not artists that typically populate my iPod.  But they are fucking incredibly well done.

I am really ashamed of asking this bc I know Axl will hate these AI cover, but which one of Roxette did you hear? I can't seem to find it anywhere and I am curious which song it is. I listened to the Someone Like You version and I am amazed at how good it is, especially in the chorus. Sounds almost 99% like Axl in early 90's.

[cineater]

Might have dodged a bullet taking 2024 off.  The news ran a story that the post pandemic concert bubble may have burst.  Here's Coachella talking about their problems which is basically what the news story was saying.  Few more rumbles in this area if you google the topic.

https://eraofgoodfeeling.com/post/coachella-slump-has-the-music-festival-bubble-finally-burst

I can tell you too many people, in a too big venue and high ticket prices have me saying no. 

[jarmo]

Might have dodged a bullet taking 2024 off.  The news ran a story that the post pandemic concert bubble may have burst.  Here's Coachella talking about their problems which is basically what the news story was saying.  Few more rumbles in this area if you google the topic.

https://eraofgoodfeeling.com/post/coachella-slump-has-the-music-festival-bubble-finally-burst

I can tell you too many people, in a too big venue and high ticket prices have me saying no. 

You don't like stadium shows?




/jarmo

[cineater]

Might have dodged a bullet taking 2024 off.  The news ran a story that the post pandemic concert bubble may have burst.  Here's Coachella talking about their problems which is basically what the news story was saying.  Few more rumbles in this area if you google the topic.

https://eraofgoodfeeling.com/post/coachella-slump-has-the-music-festival-bubble-finally-burst

I can tell you too many people, in a too big venue and high ticket prices have me saying no. 

You don't like stadium shows?




/jarmo

Hell no.    

I'm waiting for them to put the story I heard up online to post it.  They were talking about cancellations, not for shows like Taylor's, of shows before they even get out on the road.  They went further to say all this expectation that people are going to fly and take vacations and do things like go out to eat are not going to materialize.  The story was mostly about the concert business but they did go into people's spending habits on entertainment. 

The white bison has been born.  Old native American lore, change is coming, good or bad, but there is hope and it will all be worked out in the end.  Depends how you spin it.  But Yellowstone is going to be busy this summer unless the volcano erupts and then we're all in big trouble.

[jarmo]

Are you aware that tours do get cancelled before they start due to costs, or other reasons, already? It's not something new.

It's a business. Bands can't afford to tour for charity.

Ticket sales is also a way to see where the band actually has an audience.



/jarmo

[NaturalLight]

Are you aware that tours do get cancelled before they start due to costs, or other reasons, already? It's not something new.

It's a business. Bands can't afford to tour for charity.

Ticket sales is also a way to see where the band actually has an audience.



/jarmo

Agreed.

I remember back in the 90s when U2 came under fire because they didn't make any money off a tour due to their big production/Stage/etc, so the next time around they got - I believe - Budweiser to sponsor it and people were crying that they "sold out."

Also, here's an article about the Who and Daltrey talking about how bands often start off in the hole and don't make money until their eighth or ninth show.

https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/roger-daltrey-the-who-may-never-tour-america-again-1235300180/

[jarmo]

Big productions cost money and it's not unheard of for a tour not to make a profit until way later into the tour.

And some bands choose sponsors to help pay for the investment.




/jarmo