New Duff podcast - "Gn'R taking 2024 off"

[jarmo]

yes it's probably an intermediate title, of course it's guitar driven, but it sounds a bit too modern to me in its structure to be considered as a "could be on UYI" track,  probably because of its hip hop rhythmic too

as Slash said when CD came out, and I know you remember the quote " It’s a record that the original Guns N’ Roses could never possibly make."

Yeah, maybe. But it's still something that could've been on an album that came after Use Your Illusion. Even if the band members didn't go their separate ways.

As a whole, that band in the 90s wouldn't have made exactly the same album (obviously) as Chinese Democracy. But some of the songs created after UYI, I think could've been released in a little different versions. Hard Skool, Perhaps, Street Of Dreams, This I Love etc.





/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

This is a legacy touring band at this stage of the game.  

not only. we had 5 (very good) new songs since the reunion. it's half an album.
quite a lot, in GNR standard.

Yeah, but just in the form of a fresh coat of paint slapped on demos from 20 years ago, composed by other dudes, long gone.

The reality is that they have been back in communication since 2015 sometime and that has not produced one piece of music.  You just can't shine that up.

To which I say...don't put yourself through it.  This band is no longer a creative entity and has not been for some time.  This is not news.

Stop trying to get blood from a stone, I say.  Just enjoy the shows.

[jarmo]

You're really trying to make it seem like what you type has some weight to it.

The fact is, they released four songs since they reunited.

Let's count! 1. Absurd 2. Hard Skool 3. Perhaps 4. The General
That equals four.
And I'm not even including Shadow Of Your Love because that song was actually an old recording. 

You trying to argue that it's not the case because the songs were written in a different era of the band's history doesn't really change that fact.

Or maybe you point out to anyone who likes Shadow Of your Love how it's not really a GN'R track, since it was written by another band and people who weren't in GN'R once it was actually released?




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Or maybe you point out to anyone who likes Shadow Of your Love how it's not really a GN'R track, since it was written by another band and people who weren't in GN'R once it was actually released?

Yeah, you cling to that.  What a good faith argument you are making.  Absolutely the point being made here. 

Funnily enough, our overall point is largely the same.  Things are good in GNR land.  Enjoy what you got.  I'm not disagreeing with that premise.

Yet in 8 years back together, they have no new creative artistic output.  8 years, including a whole year where we were all locked in our houses.  Still no.  Whole music industry...yes.  GNR...still no.

That just is what it is.  I'm not saying it's a crime against humanity.  Just acknowledging a basic truth.

Ultimately, you're in the gaslighting business.  I'm not.  I'm in the reality business.  We all know your motivations for such.  This isn't our first day here.

[jarmo]

Man, I'm just pointing out a fact. They have released four songs since the reunion. You can complain about it because it's not what you wanted, and say the songs are old, but it won't change the fact. Just accept it.

Things are better than you describe!

The alternative that some think is that they would've just written and recorded something from scratch, but is that the only alternative? No, realistically it's not. There's the alternative where they said "Awww, let's not bother doing anything, let's focus on the tour".


Again, your version of events makes it seem like they didn't want to do something. Is it possible they wanted to get these songs out before they focused on something else?

LOL. You're in the reality business? Essentially you really just throw theories to a wall and see what sticks. That doesn't make it reality. A lot of assumptions that sound right in your own head so they must be true. Because "I know for I told me so"....

 


So, the big questions are. How will the next album sound like? And when are/were those songs written? Is there a Best Before Date for the songs?




/jarmo

[GNR4LIFEJD]

I think the fair question to ask that we will probably never get a straight answer to is what Axl's feelings are about releasing new music. His vocals are never going to be like they were on AFD or UYI and unfortunately he gets criticisms for how he sounds live now. Even CD Axl was more UYI era sounding then he has on the recent releases which alot have had a lot of filtering in like in the general and perhaps. He probably has a vault of unreleased music somewhere. When they do tour while we fans that come to sites like these love to hear new music i think alot of the fans that do go want to hear the hits from yesteryear and when they do play a hard skool or the general or perhaps their is not as much of a sentimental connection like with sweet child or paradise city or nighttrain. And axl unfortunately isn't getting younger and not sure how many more years left he has the desire I don't know if he can be like mick jagger dancing and singing into his 70s.

We will just have to take what we get whether its touring, a single release here and there and as far New New material only time will tell.

[jarmo]

I think the answer is somewhere between the release of the singles and the unknown. If he didn't have any interest in releasing new music, he wouldn't have.

Then again, is there interest in making albums because "everyone else does it", or would they find some alternative (like singles/EPs), more appealing? That's the unknown.




/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Again, your version of events makes it seem like they didn't want to do something. Is it possible they wanted to get these songs out before they focused on something else?

8 years, dude.  One of them, locked in our houses for a year with nothing but time and literally zero real life conflicts.

In 8 years time, you find some time.  If you want to.  if you don't, you don't.  And that's all I'm saying.  I'm not saying that's illegitimate, if that's your call..

What I am saying is illegitimate is that you couldn't find a window for even a new piece of music you did, one song...is preposterous.

It's just not a priority for them.  And it's not all part of some masterplan either, 8 years in.

Come on, now.

[DeN]

This is a legacy touring band at this stage of the game.  

not only. we had 5 (very good) new songs since the reunion. it's half an album.
quite a lot, in GNR standard.

Yeah, but just in the form of a fresh coat of paint slapped on demos from 20 years ago, composed by other dudes, long gone.

The reality is that they have been back in communication since 2015 sometime and that has not produced one piece of music.  You just can't shine that up.

To which I say...don't put yourself through it.  This band is no longer a creative entity and has not been for some time.  This is not news.

Stop trying to get blood from a stone, I say.  Just enjoy the shows.

you have to start with something.

it doesn't matter if the songs were co-written by people who aren't in the band anymore, and when.
I wanted The General, I want Monsters, I want Eye On You, because these are great songs.

I don't give a damn if Duff wasn't in the studio when they were composed, or if Slash wrote a pre chorus in 2018 instead of 1996.
these are not fans concerns. I don't care if Roger Waters wrote The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking for a proposal to Pink Floyd and finally released it as a solo artist.

I understand what you mean by "this band is no longer a creative entity" but we have no clue.

Slash and Duff have apparently already wrote material and likely had Axl listen to it (no point to write stuff if not)

was he into it? that's a question I'd like an answer.
how does it sounds? old Guns? Velvet Revolver? something different? 

and yeah, when can we expect the first post reunion single written by this line up?

[jarmo]

Again, your version of events makes it seem like they didn't want to do something. Is it possible they wanted to get these songs out before they focused on something else?

8 years, dude.  One of them, locked in our houses for a year with nothing but time and literally zero real life conflicts.

In 8 years time, you find some time.  If you want to.  if you don't, you don't.  And that's all I'm saying.  I'm not saying that's illegitimate, if that's your call..

What I am saying is illegitimate is that you couldn't find a window for even a new piece of music you did, one song...is preposterous.

It's just not a priority for them.  And it's not all part of some masterplan either, 8 years in.

Come on, now.

But you must have missed the fact that during lockdown they were working on those songs...

I know you don't like being reminded that you can't control nor do you really have any idea about what the band thinks.
Sorry to have to remind you of that again.

Just like Use Your Illusion was used as a way to record and release songs that had been around since before Appetite was released, maybe this was their plan. To get songs they had ready out first. You don't know, I don't know. You don't like it, so you go on about how it can't be true.



/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

Slash and Duff have apparently already wrote material and likely had Axl listen to it (no point to write stuff if not)

was he into it? that's a question I'd like an answer.
how does it sounds? old Guns? Velvet Revolver? something different?  

and yeah, when can we expect the first post reunion single written by this line up?

Obviously, we got the songs we got so far because Axl opened up the Magical Mystery Vault and they all thought they could do something with some of that they heard.

And I think, overall, that's been good for us, as fans.  I love 'Perhaps'.  Play it all the time.

But musicians, creative people by nature, have not produced one new song in 8 years.  And, I'm sorry, "how do you know they haven't" is just a coping mechanism.  It does not advance the conversation forward, frankly.

[D-GenerationX]

Just like Use Your Illusion was used as a way to record and release songs that had been around since before Appetite was released, maybe this was their plan. To get songs they had ready out first. You don't know, I don't know. You don't like it, so you go on about how it can't be true.

"When people show you who they are, believe them". - Maya Angelou

In the past 30 years of this band, roster has undergone some serious changes.  There is one common denominator.  And he calls the shots.

Amongst all those folks that have been in this band in some capacity over those 30 years...they all seem to be able to release things once they get away from his control.  That can't be an accident.

I don't claim to know what goes through the man's head.  I know I would not want to get into a discussion armed with the last 3 decades of his career and argue with a straight face the man is a creative workaholic.

Live performer?  Excellent.  Clearly still digs that very much.  Doing new stuff?  About as welcome to him as a kid told they have to clean their room.

[DeN]

But musicians, creative people by nature, have not produced one new song in 8 years.  And, I'm sorry, "how do you know they haven't" is just a coping mechanism.  It does not advance the conversation forward, frankly.

both Duff & Slash wrote songs for themselves in this period of time, so I don't know why you assume they didn't in GNR context.

And, I'm sorry, "how do you know they haven't" is just a coping mechanism.  It does not advance the conversation forward, frankly.

we wouldn't ask you the question if you didn't repeatedly pulling things out of your ass, frankly.

[jarmo]

In the past 30 years of this band, roster has undergone some serious changes.  There is one common denominator.  And he calls the shots.

Amongst all those folks that have been in this band in some capacity over those 30 years...they all seem to be able to release things once they get away from his control.  That can't be an accident.

I don't claim to know what goes through the man's head.  I know I would not want to get into a discussion armed with the last 3 decades of his career and argue with a straight face the man is a creative workaholic.

But you can't compare them.


For example, no one expects a Keith Richards solo project to be like the Stones. And that's ok. He probably has certain freedoms because he doesn't have to take into account that it's for the Rolling Stones audience etc. Same goes for any solo or side project.

Did you listen to Max Creeps? Duff didn't use his own name to put that out. Because it doesn't necessarily fit with what he does as a solo artist. He does his solo records and doesn't have to think about whether or not all GN'R fans will like it.



A GN'R song/album will have certain expectations tied to it. That's just how it is. Does this mean it's a reason why they can't release new music? No. But it means comparing a GN'R release to solo projects isn't exactly a fair comparison.





/jarmo

[D-GenerationX]

we wouldn't ask you the question if you didn't repeatedly pulling things out of your ass, frankly.

It's a pointless retort.  It can't be proven or disproven.

And seems to be driven by <gasp!> having to avoid say something critical.  Perish the thought, I know.

[D-GenerationX]

According to Slash, several other older GUNS N' ROSES tracks have also been reworked during the pandemic. "There's a handful of those songs that we actually fixed up and did when we were in lockdown," he explained to "Trunk Nation With Eddie Trunk". "So those have yet to be released. So those are gonna come out. They're really good, too. So I'm excited for those. We're just gonna put out like one or two songs, and another one or two songs. And I think that's gonna be pretty much all of 'em. I'm not sure exactly how many we did in total."



Cool.  I'm here for it.

Perhaps when they gear it back up in later 2025 or whenever we can at least get a song or two before the tour.

[DeN]

we wouldn't ask you the question if you didn't repeatedly pulling things out of your ass, frankly.

It's a pointless retort.  It can't be proven or disproven.

And seems to be driven by <gasp!> having to avoid say something critical.  Perish the thought, I know.

so mostly what we do here is speculating.
some prefers speculate about positive things. others, negatives ones.
doesn't mean we can't criticize things, but real ones, which are known by you, Jarmo, me, and everyone on this board.

[jarmo]

And seems to be driven by <gasp!> having to avoid say something critical.  Perish the thought, I know.

Once again, thinking you know or understand something, doesn't mean you do.

Personally I don't give a fuck about trying to boost some kind of imaginary online reputation by having a perfect ratio of critique and praise.

Wasting time whining about stuff you can't control might be productive for some, I'd rather focus on more fun things. Also, never understood why fan forums are supposed to be the safe haven for those who actually don't really enjoy whatever the forum is dedicated to. But that's just me.


I've seen plenty of fans assume they know better than the band how to conduct their business over the years. It's kinda cute, because it's easy to say things like "they should...." when you don't have to take any of the consequences of those words. It's like watching sports on TV and thinking you know better than the coach. I mean, if everyone did, how come there aren't more professional coaches in the world? 



/jarmo

[slashsbaconpit]

That’s cool. I hope you’re right. I doubt it, but I’ll bet you a whole dollar we don’t see one in the next five years.

In 2012 Axl said "Not In This Lifetime" when asked about reuniting, and it happened in 2016. So who knows!


The way music is consumed these days, the idea of singles/standalone tracks seem more interesting. I guess on the other hand, some would be annoyed getting new songs every few months instead of everything at once.

Anyway,  ;Dthanks for all you do to keep this place up and running! 

My pleasure.




/jarmo

True story. Are albums even a relevant thing anymore? I’m I just an old man? Are you !?  Are we all oldies for wanting a record!?

[jarmo]

It's amazing how much the way music is "consumed" has changed. Most of us used to listen to the radio and watch MTV when GN'R released Appetite. We would get records from a store, record club or maybe a mail order catalogue. If you couldn't afford to buy a single, you'd tape it off the radio.

Fast forward to the early 2000s. Now you could download any track you wanted and get a digital copy of it for free. No more taping off the radio or borrowing your friend's CD/LP to copy that. Until people started buying tracks for $0.99 on iTunes.

And now. Streaming and songs catered to the Tik Tok crowd where songs are basically made to fit in a video clip posted on social media....



If you look at the people who buy tickets to go see GN'R. I wonder how many of them actually buys physical records. Of any artist.





/jarmo