Ticket prices

[PatrickS77]

last time I saw GNR was in 2012, prices were around 50-70 euros.
well, Putin's and his stupid criminal war & inflation don't help I suppose.

Has nothing to do with Putin. Once the reunion was confirmed, they (at least) doubled their prices.

[PatrickS77]

Just a comparison to my favorite football (soccer) team. Back in the days the tickets for a game were around 50/60 GBP. Nowadays they are around 100 GBP. Hell, from what people say in early 90's the tickets were around 20/30 GBP and yes, it was a shitty football and a shitty performance. People complained and still are that the tickets are expensive for the production they see but that's the way it is. That's why I don't think it's fair to blame the band here. Don't get me wrong, I do agree that it's a lot of money for a concert, football or pretty much any kind of ticket for major act but it's not the band to be blamed. Different times I guess, everything is much more expensive now than it used to before.

Right. Because the band plays for free and has absolutely no say in what is going on around them. You're kidding yourself. For one the band gets what they demand, for the other they absolutely could take an interest in what the fan actually has to pay to get into these shows. But like most other bands, they don't really give a shit about that and when someone touches the issue they blame the promoter.

[jarmo]

155 € for 2 nights (in Gothenborg) with access right to the stage. Not FOS/GC bullshit, which for example in Switzerland, costs 220 €. Nevermind that Metallica has the Black ticket, which on their last tour cost around 700 and now is called I disappear, costs 1000 € and let's you attend every single show on a given tour leg including early entry. So, whenever you try to compare to Metallica, GNR will lose. Also on those 2 nights there will be 2 different setlists with no song played twice. It's no wonder though you would defend the GNR ticket prices, which frankly, have been a disgrace ever since the 3 got back together and are only offset by the fact that they give extremely long concerts.

You forgot to mention that the Snakepit ticket is way more. So even though they don't have the "FOS/GC bullshit", they do offer a premium GA/standing ticket. Over 300€ for one show. So there you go....

I'm not defending anything. Just pointing out that it's 2023. Compared to 2016, everything has gotten more expensive. Call it defending if you want, if it makes you feel better. 

The ticket prices for stadium concerts aren't necessarily cheap. Not everybody will be able to afford the most expensive tickets, or even tickets.





/jarmo

[PatrickS77]

155 € for 2 nights (in Gothenborg) with access right to the stage. Not FOS/GC bullshit, which for example in Switzerland, costs 220 €. Nevermind that Metallica has the Black ticket, which on their last tour cost around 700 and now is called I disappear, costs 1000 € and let's you attend every single show on a given tour leg including early entry. So, whenever you try to compare to Metallica, GNR will lose. Also on those 2 nights there will be 2 different setlists with no song played twice. It's no wonder though you would defend the GNR ticket prices, which frankly, have been a disgrace ever since the 3 got back together and are only offset by the fact that they give extremely long concerts.

You forgot to mention that the Snakepit ticket is way more. So even though they don't have the "FOS/GC bullshit", they do offer a premium GA/standing ticket. Over 300€ for one show. So there you go....

I'm not defending anything. Just pointing out that it's 2023. Compared to 2016, everything has gotten more expensive. Call it defending if you want, if it makes you feel better.  

The ticket prices for stadium concerts aren't necessarily cheap. Not everybody will be able to afford the most expensive tickets, or even tickets.





/jarmo

Yes. The Snakepit tickets. But for one, GNR have no Snakepit, so there is nothing to compare, so why mention it? For 2, being inside the Snakepit doesn't nessesarily enhance the experience. Having the choice being inside the ring and seeing their asses, when they play towards the stadium or outside and see them from the front most of the time, personally I prefer to be outside. Especially if I can get an I disappear pass and see 10 shows with early entry for 100 € a piece. Snakepit is not a must for a good spot. Golden Circle is a must for a good spot. And Early Entry is, if you want to have a shot at front row.

Yes. You are defending and deflecting and "Look what other bands charge". Things did not get in the amount more expensive than what they have gotten more expensive with GNR (which did get expensive with the reunion). Before that shows were relatively cheap and more people could get good spots for affordable prices. That went all out the window when the reunion happened and the money train started. And the bigger the places, the cheaper tickets should get, as more people will be there. But your last sentence just shows the lack of interest on whether fans will make it to shows because they can't afford it (or can't afford tickets that would get them to the seats/spots they are accustomed to). Fuck them, right?  

[jarmo]

Yes. The Snakepit tickets. But for one, GNR have no Snakepit, so there is nothing to compare, so why mention it?

Because you made it sound like their most expensive ticket was cheaper than a GC/FOS ticket. It's misleading.

Both are aimed at certain fans who want to be as close as possible to the action.

For 2, being inside the Snakepit doesn't nessesarily enhance the experience. Having the choice being inside the ring and seeing their asses, when they play towards the stadium or outside and see them from the front most of the time, personally I prefer to be outside. Especially if I can get an I disappear pass and see 10 shows with early entry for 100 € a piece. Snakepit is not a must for a good spot. Golden Circle is a must for a good spot. And Early Entry is, if you want to have a shot at front row.

When I saw them, I was in the so called Snakepit. Wouldn't call it a band spot.

Yes. You are defending and deflecting and "Look what other bands charge". Things did not get in the amount more expensive than what they have gotten more expensive with GNR (which did get expensive with the reunion). Before that shows were relatively cheap and more people could get good spots for affordable prices. That went all out the window when the reunion happened and the money train started. And the bigger the places, the cheaper tickets should get, as more people will be there. But your last sentence just shows the lack of interest on whether fans will make it to shows because they can't afford it (or can't afford tickets that would get them to the seats/spots they are accustomed to). Fuck them, right?  

Call it whatever you want. So what?  Whatever makes you happy.

Saying tickets for a show are expensive when other tickets obviously cost about the same, is called a comparison.


You are comparing prices from like 2012 to now. How much did you pay for a burger and a beer then?

Also, the show changed. The venues changed. Everything has changed.


Your idea that the more people a venue holds, the cheaper the ticket should be, is interesting. Why do stadium shows cost more than club shows? Or is that only GN'R?

I paid 38€ to see a band in a club last summer. Why are Metallica nosebleed seats almost 70€? Shouldn't they be cheaper if they can fit tens of thousands of people into the venue instead of hundreds? Or wait, could it be that costs go up when venue sizes go up? Instead of a couple of security guys, you need a lot more? Maybe you need more people working in a stadium than a club? Maybe you can't have a tour manager who also mixes the sound and drives the truck with the gear, if you are touring stadiums?


The concert industry changed once people started thinking paying for music is stupid. It sucks that people can't afford tickets. Unfortunately that's how things are.




/jarmo

[PermissionToLand]

Just for reference, if we take $50 and simply adjust for inflation since 1999, that is equivalent to $87.50 in 2023 dollars.

[PatrickS77]

Because you made it sound like their most expensive ticket was cheaper than a GC/FOS ticket. It's misleading.

No. It's absolutely not misleading. I compared ticket sections that are comparable. A general admission ticket at Metallica gets you to the same spot than a Golden Circle ticket at GNR. That there is section that supposedly gets you "closer" (and I explained why it really doesn't), is irrelevant, if we want to compare, since GNR has nothing like that. But what's interesting is, that you still haven't acknowledged that for 1000 € I can see every Metallica concert on the given leg at the very same spot, which costs 350 to 450 € per show if I want to get there at GNR (and to get there I need an early entry ticket).

So Metallica tickets clearly do not cost the same.

Like I said before, prices for other stuff did not go up the same way prices went up once the reunion started. And I'm not so sure what about the show and venues, other than the venues being bigger and a different song here and there has really changed. 2 original players is the biggest change.

As for the rest, I don't believe I was talking about clubs. Obviously cost goes up, but instead of 10,000 -15,000 people in an arena, you can have 40,000 - 70,000 people in a stadium. That should offset whatever it costs more to rent a stadium.

Right. Blame it all on the fans. Fans are the enemies after all. Artists either don't care and live in their own bubble or are greedy and use whatever excuse they can get to make more money (and apparantly not only artists think like that, also people working in that industry). It doesn't have to be like it is. This is a choice.

[jarmo]

Like I said before, prices for other stuff did not go up the same way prices went up once the reunion started. And I'm not so sure what about the show and venues, other than the venues being bigger and a different song here and there has really changed. 2 original players is the biggest change.

Again, you don't seem to understand the reality. If one part of the explanation is called inflation, and another part is called a different production compared to 2012 ticket prices, then you'd assume you can understand that both can play a part. You don't seem to understand that there can be multiple explanations.

As for the rest, I don't believe I was talking about clubs. Obviously cost goes up, but instead of 10,000 -15,000 people in an arena, you can have 40,000 - 70,000 people in a stadium. That should offset whatever it costs more to rent a stadium.

It was the most extreme comparison I could make for you, for you to realize that things aren't that simple. Once again, you're not able to look at the whole picture. Did you know for a stadium show, the stadium is blocked from hosting other events for days, but an arena it's just a day?

Right. Blame it all on the fans. Fans are the enemies after all. Artists either don't care and live in their own bubble or are greedy and use whatever excuse they can get to make more money (and apparantly not only artists think like that, also people working in that industry). It doesn't have to be like it is. This is a choice.

I'm not blaming fans. What's this poor me mentality that you have? Record sales dropped, the music industry found a way to make up for the loss. Are you angry about that too?




/jarmo

[Mysteron]

I went to a couple of big concerts in 86, 87. Tickets were 20 and 25  pounds and beer was £1.10.

I looked up Tickets there, and I can get a ticket for 89 pounds, and beer is 4.30 a pint.

So, overall, it looks comparable

[Mysteron]

I went to that Abba 3D thing in London last year, got charged 8 pound for a pint. I was charged 14 pound for a pint near Elephant and Castle, 22 pound in Holborn. There's a place in Brixton with over £100 a pint for a craft beer.

Lurpak was 85p when I lived in London in the 90s, that's over £5 in Lidl now

[cineater]

I went to that Abba 3D thing in London last year, got charged 8 pound for a pint. I was charged 14 pound for a pint near Elephant and Castle, 22 pound in Holborn. There's a place in Brixton with over £100 a pint for a craft beer.

Lurpak was 85p when I lived in London in the 90s, that's over £5 in Lidl now

As the Dead would say, welcome to shakedown street.   

[cineater]

I'm confused.  I went through the GNR site to order tickets right from the stadium.  I'm seeing adds from Ticket Master.  People were telling me ticket prices before they went on sale that were much higher.  Did they get those prices from Ticket Master and are those prices through them higher?

[jarmo]

I'm confused.  I went through the GNR site to order tickets right from the stadium.  I'm seeing adds from Ticket Master.  People were telling me ticket prices before they went on sale that were much higher.  Did they get those prices from Ticket Master and are those prices through them higher?

Looks like some of the baseball venues sell tickets through their own ticketing site, and Ticketmaster is just reselling tickets.




/jarmo

[stvyrayvhn]

The prices are too much and I make a good living.  I won't be going.  The cost to go to Fenway Park between tickets, parking or train, food, etc it's just not worth it.  If some new music is released then maybe I'd go but for now it's a hard "no"

[cineater]

I'm confused.  I went through the GNR site to order tickets right from the stadium.  I'm seeing adds from Ticket Master.  People were telling me ticket prices before they went on sale that were much higher.  Did they get those prices from Ticket Master and are those prices through them higher?

Looks like some of the baseball venues sell tickets through their own ticketing site, and Ticketmaster is just reselling tickets.




/jarmo

What I paid $125 for, Ticket Master bumped up to $298.  And they have a statement on their site that their tickets maybe more than face value.

[jarmo]

I'm confused.  I went through the GNR site to order tickets right from the stadium.  I'm seeing adds from Ticket Master.  People were telling me ticket prices before they went on sale that were much higher.  Did they get those prices from Ticket Master and are those prices through them higher?

Looks like some of the baseball venues sell tickets through their own ticketing site, and Ticketmaster is just reselling tickets.




/jarmo

What I paid $125 for, Ticket Master bumped up to $298.  And they have a statement on their site that their tickets maybe more than face value.

Yes, reselling tickets. I think it even says so on the page. If you look at Fenway Park or Busch Stadium tickets on Ticketmaster, and choose a section it clearly says Resale Tickets.





/jarmo

[cineater]

I'm confused.  I went through the GNR site to order tickets right from the stadium.  I'm seeing adds from Ticket Master.  People were telling me ticket prices before they went on sale that were much higher.  Did they get those prices from Ticket Master and are those prices through them higher?

Looks like some of the baseball venues sell tickets through their own ticketing site, and Ticketmaster is just reselling tickets.




/jarmo

What I paid $125 for, Ticket Master bumped up to $298.  And they have a statement on their site that their tickets maybe more than face value.

Yes, reselling tickets. I think it even says so on the page. If you look at Fenway Park or Busch Stadium tickets on Ticketmaster, and choose a section it clearly says Resale Tickets.





/jarmo

Their site has something about other buying options and their ads say go to GNR's site to get tickets, all the cheaper price.  They've covered their ass.  But they've also shown their ass to me and I'm highly unlike to buy tickets from these bandits in the future.  Not that they care.   

[dsaddler78]

something I noticed....I bought 2 pit tickets through the fan club presale for Hershey for 325 bucks each before service fees and taxes. I happened to look on the day of the regular public on sale and the same pit tix was 345.....So did I/we get a small discount for being a member of nightrain?

[jarmo]

something I noticed....I bought 2 pit tickets through the fan club presale for Hershey for 325 bucks each before service fees and taxes. I happened to look on the day of the regular public on sale and the same pit tix was 345.....So did I/we get a small discount for being a member of nightrain?

I'm not aware of a specific Nightrain discount.

Maybe they have some kind of dynamic pricing where prices go up once there's more demand? Like when you book an Uber.




/jarmo

[Cousin It]

something I noticed....I bought 2 pit tickets through the fan club presale for Hershey for 325 bucks each before service fees and taxes. I happened to look on the day of the regular public on sale and the same pit tix was 345.....So did I/we get a small discount for being a member of nightrain?

It appears all of Hershey's ticket prices went up right around the time the public sale started.