The Biden administration (was: The NEW 2020 Election Thread)

[Dr. Blutarsky]

The police misuse their powers -> But most cops are good
Protests get violent -> These left wing protestors are violent people who steal, and need to be dealt with harder. They are terrorists.




/jarmo

Not really Jarmo.

Everyone agrees police departments need to take more steps to ensure all people are treated equally no matter their race.

Liberals refuse to admit that there is violence and destruction at these protests and want to put all of the blame on the police.

See the difference?

The sad thing is liberals are eating up the propaganda being thrown at them online. They use non-specific phrases like “largely peaceful”. What does that even mean? “Largely” is a generic term that could be interpreted many different ways.

Cops are largely great people, so should we ignore the bad ones?

Why believe BS when so much of the destruction is being filmed and posted online all night? Its there for all to see.

Also, liberals should be even MORE angry at the violent protestors because they are making this about THEM instead of the cause at hand. Its also helping Trump enormously. The recent polls in the past 2 days show that this race is far from over.

Some good points Sandman. The left thinks the destruction of property is perfectly fine no matter how much the damage will cost to fix or the people affected by it negatively. I guess it is OK if I go down to my local planned parenthood, break the windows, deface the building with graffiti and set a " small"  fire at the front door. I would be exercising my rights somehow. BTW this isn't something Id ever do or feel like it is justified because I'm not going to infringe on another person's rights or break something that isn't mine.

[jarmo]

Liberals refuse to admit that there is violence and destruction at these protests and want to put all of the blame on the police.

While there's been violence and destruction at some protests, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the original cause.

Imagine a football stadium full of people watching the game. Then afterwards some start fights in the parking lot. You wouldn't label all the fans in attendance as violent, nor would you say the event itself was violent...


There's idiots everywhere.

But some get an automatic pass from the president because they're the part of the right wing. Not the other bad wing.

The left thinks the destruction of property is perfectly fine no matter how much the damage will cost to fix or the people affected by it negatively. I guess it is OK if I go down to my local planned parenthood, break the windows, deface the building with graffiti and set a " small"  fire at the front door. I would be exercising my rights somehow. BTW this isn't something Id ever do or feel like it is justified because I'm not going to infringe on another person's rights or break something that isn't mine.

No, not everybody thinks that. Also, not everybody thinks the people protesting are all there to destroy and steal.


Oh, you mean like shooting up an abortion clinic or a church? Yeah, that sounds like something Antifa would do....






/jarmo

[tim_m]

The police misuse their powers -> But most cops are good
Protests get violent -> These left wing protestors are violent people who steal, and need to be dealt with harder. They are terrorists.




/jarmo

Not really Jarmo.

Everyone agrees police departments need to take more steps to ensure all people are treated equally no matter their race.

Liberals refuse to admit that there is violence and destruction at these protests and want to put all of the blame on the police.

See the difference?

The sad thing is liberals are eating up the propaganda being thrown at them online. They use non-specific phrases like “largely peaceful”. What does that even mean? “Largely” is a generic term that could be interpreted many different ways.

Cops are largely great people, so should we ignore the bad ones?

Why believe BS when so much of the destruction is being filmed and posted online all night? Its there for all to see.

Also, liberals should be even MORE angry at the violent protestors because they are making this about THEM instead of the cause at hand. Its also helping Trump enormously. The recent polls in the past 2 days show that this race is far from over.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

What polls? Are you talking about Trump's invisible polls? Because these show him having no chance in several battleground States. Even Rasmussen has Biden up high single digits nationwide and mid single digits in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania. He's up 1 in Texas. Up 6-13 in Florida. Fox has him double or almost double in the 3 states he absolutely has to win. Gravis same thing.

[jarmo]

The logic were dealing with nowadays seems to be something like:

- No, you can't have your gathering of a large crowd in this state because it goes against our current rules about large gatherings of people. --> Evil Trump hating democrats

- We're gonna cancel the event where we expected a large crowd, in this other state that had allowed us to host it, because we care about people. --> People loving president who cares about peoples' health.


Amazing!



/jarmo

[tim_m]

More like he cares about his sagging numbers and dwindling chances for reelection.

[jarmo]

More like he cares about his sagging numbers and dwindling chances for reelection.

But it's quite amazing how the same thing is done by two different people, it's either really bad or amazing.

I mean, if it's suddenly about heath, why didn't he attack the Republican in FL who allowed for it to happen in the first place?





/jarmo

[tim_m]

More like he cares about his sagging numbers and dwindling chances for reelection.

But it's quite amazing how the same thing is done by two different people, it's either really bad or amazing.

I mean, if it's suddenly about heath, why didn't he attack the Republican in FL who allowed for it to happen in the first place?





/jarmo

Exactly!

[Dr. Blutarsky]

The logic were dealing with nowadays seems to be something like:

- No, you can't have your gathering of a large crowd in this state because it goes against our current rules about large gatherings of people. --> Evil Trump hating democrats

- We're gonna cancel the event where we expected a large crowd, in this other state that had allowed us to host it, because we care about people. --> People loving president who cares about peoples' health.


Amazing!



/jarmo

Where do these mass protests / riots  fall in this logic? There are more than 50 people in close proximity on any given night in downtown Portland for example.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

The left thinks the destruction of property is perfectly fine no matter how much the damage will cost to fix or the people affected by it negatively. I guess it is OK if I go down to my local planned parenthood, break the windows, deface the building with graffiti and set a " small"  fire at the front door. I would be exercising my rights somehow. BTW this isn't something Id ever do or feel like it is justified because I'm not going to infringe on another person's rights or break something that isn't mine.

No, not everybody thinks that. Also, not everybody thinks the people protesting are all there to destroy and steal.


Oh, you mean like shooting up an abortion clinic or a church? Yeah, that sounds like something Antifa would do....






/jarmo

Antifa wouldn't have any problem setting a church on fire for example, like the one that was set on fire across the street from the White House several weeks back ( yes, THAT church) . With that said, of course there are violent groups on all edges of the political spectrum. ( and I disagree with antifa as much as the white supremacists and the like)

I dont think everyone at these mass protests are violent and / or destructive, they're a small minority. But they generally get cheered on by the others as opposed to being confronted about it and told to knock it off by the majority. Maybe its because they dont wan the shit beat out of them for having a difference of opinion.

[jarmo]

and I disagree with antifa as much as the white supremacists and the like

Which part of being anti fascist do you disagree with?



My guess is that most regular people would be against fascism. Which essentially makes them antifa.... 

Seriously. It's a label put on a belief that fascism has no place in the civilized world. Suddenly being against fascism is as bad as being in the KKK?




/jarmo

[Dr. Blutarsky]

and I disagree with antifa as much as the white supremacists and the like

Which part of being anti fascist do you disagree with?



My guess is that most regular people would be against fascism. Which essentially makes them antifa.... 

Seriously. It's a label put on a belief that fascism has no place in the civilized world. Suddenly being against fascism is as bad as being in the KKK?




/jarmo

I'd agree with you if Antifa were not actually fascists. Not a fan of a group that teaches its members to go beat the shit out of other people just because they have a difference of opinion politically.

[jarmo]

I'd agree with you if Antifa were not actually fascists. Not a fan of a group that teaches its members to go beat the shit out of other people just because they have a difference of opinion politically.

That's the problem. It's not one group lead by one leader who decides what everyone should do.


So, let me ask you again, what part of being against fascism do you disagree with?


My point is that these generalizations are a bit scary. If you're against fascism doesn't mean you're automatically gonna turn violent. Just because you believe the Republicans aren't doing a great job, doesn't make you a communist or a socialist. People throw these terms around without even knowing that they mean.

Being called an anti fascist shouldn't be an issue to anyone. Republican or non-Republican. Unless you idolize Mussolini or others of that kind...


Meanwhile, the KKK isn't seen as a terrorist group....



/jarmo

[PermissionToLand]

Still...one person's criminal act doesn't define thousands of others actions.  Much as the right would like to paint it that way.....for the protesters.  For the cops, a completely different story. Hypocrisy much?

You'll never get a response for this because they have no response.

It was from a local  Fox affiliate, not the big evil racist FOX NEWS. I knew you'd go there. 

Going after buildings with hammers and spray paint as well as setting fires isn't  peaceful.  WAPO left out that part.  Regardless of the timeline, it isn't justified.

... whines the guy who literally posted that link because the original was from the big evil "liberal" WaPo....

Was the mayor going at buildings with hammers? I find it amazing how you people repeatedly blame individuals for the actions of others they have probably never even met. What ever happened to individualism and personal responsibility? Isn't that what your party claims to stand for? But now you want to blame collectively?

White Supremacists in Charlottesville protest, actually KILL SOMEONE, and Trump says there were many good people on both sides.  The right supports their right to protest and Trump doesn't send in federal agents. And....tear gas isn't deployed on the KKK and other Supremacists marching, but is later used on counter-protesters.

Even worse, the police stood back and allowed the violence from NeoNazis. That seems like it would reflect on how the "good apples" intervene with the "bad apples", doesn't it? Maybe that's why so any of them turn out to me actual white supremacists...

https://theappeal.org/the-epidemic-of-white-supremacist-police-4992cb7ad97a/

https://www.revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-facebook-police-officers-trade-racist-memes-conspiracy-theories-and-islamophobia/

Everyone agrees police departments need to take more steps to ensure all people are treated equally no matter their race.

Everyone agrees? You're not even good at lying. There are TONS of conservatives out there denying institutional racism exists and saying nothing needs to be done except INCREASE police budgets. Ben Shapiro has been saying that nonsense for years and has a massive following.

Liberals refuse to admit that there is violence and destruction at these protests and want to put all of the blame on the police.

Notice what he's doing here; he cannot argue on the specifics because then, he might actually get nailed down on something. So he defers to generalizations and strawmen about "liberals".

Cops are largely great people, so should we ignore the bad ones?

Who has suggested we ignore any property damage here? Quote them. Oh, you can't? Because that's a pathetic strawman? I thought so.

No, the actual analogy would be "Cops are largely non-violent, so we should not tear gas, assault and imprison the good ones who had nothing to do with the behavior of the bad ones"

[PermissionToLand]

Where do these mass protests / riots  fall in this logic? There are more than 50 people in close proximity on any given night in downtown Portland for example.

As always, you display a complete lack of knowledge on the topic you're speaking on. Research has found that Floyd protests have not spread Covid because of mask usage, whereas anti-lockown and anti-mask protests - no shit - HAVE spread Covid:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/07/05/researchers-say-protests-didnt-increase-covid-19-spread-but-republicans-are-still-blaming-them/#6a8a9d716e13

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/18/lockdown-protests-spread-coronavirus-cellphone-data

I mean, anyone with half a brain could tell the difference here...







You can practically see the spittle flying into that innocent officer's face. But of course, threatening the life of an officer with a deadly disease is somehow not interpreted as a deadly threat requiring the use of deadly force. I wonder why...

they generally get cheered on by the others as opposed to being confronted about it and told to knock it off by the majority.

Don't let facts interrupt that propagandizing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Al_OCpYFk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBbPJsNZMPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvUe7pJVYD4

I'd agree with you if Antifa were not actually fascists. Not a fan of a group that teaches its members to go beat the shit out of other people just because they have a difference of opinion politically.

Thanks for letting us all know how ignorant you are of the tenets of Fascism. Fascism stands for a lot more than violence. By your logic, a dog that attacks a human is Fascist because violence = Fascism. My god, you need to stop embarrassing yourself.

In fact, I literally posted the tenets of Fascism like 2 pages back. Let's see, what does this sound more like to you, Antifa or the GOP platform?

(As explained by Yale Professor and descendant of Holocaust survivors Jason Stanley)

1. A mythic past. “Fascism always promises to return us to a mythic past,” Stanley said. For Hitler, that meant returning to the past of the Holy Roman Empire, when Germans ruled over non-Germans; for Mussolini, that meant the Roman Empire itself.

This past is a place where the patriarchy rules supreme, where in-group men are warriors and in-group women are mothers and wives. This past is mythic, Stanley said: it is fake. It never really was, except in the words of fascist politicians.

2. Propaganda. Stanley said fascist politicians always revert to anti-corruption campaigns, even when they themselves are transparently corrupt. He said the Nazis were among the most corrupt regimes in history, plundering the wealth and property of European Jews, and yet still waged a merciless propaganda campaign that promised to rid the continent of corruption supposedly introduced by Jews.

Trump branded Clinton as “Crooked Hillary” and promised to “drain the swamp,” despite his long history of underhanded business and political dealings. Vladimir Putin, the same time that he is reviving mid-20th century Russian fascist thinker Ivan Ilyin, consistently lambasts the European Union as fascist.

3. Anti-intellectualism. “The enemy of fascism is equality,” Stanley said. He said universities are continually attacked by fascist politicians as hotbeds of cultural and political Marxism. He said these politicians uphold a mythical “common man” as always knowing what is right, and deride women and racial and sexual minorities who seek basic equality as in fact seeking political and cultural domination.

4. Hierarchy. As opposed to liberal democracies, which are based on freedom and equality, fascism enshrines a dominant group’s traditions as the unequivocal rule.

5. Victimhood. Throughout fascist politics, the dominant group always portrays itself as victims. Stanley said the Nazis said they were the victims of the minority Jews. He said that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán held an international conference on the persecution of Jews in October 2017, during which he declared that Christians are the most persecuted group in the world.

6. Unreality. Fascist politicians rely on conspiracy theories instead of facts to justify their calls for power. “When ‘Birtherism’ came,” Stanley said, “everyone should have been terrified.”

7. Law and order. The fascist politician promises a regime of law and order not to punish actual criminals, but to criminalize “out groups” like racial, ethnic, religious and sexual minorities. “Right now,” Stanley said, “we’re seeing criminality being written into immigration status” in the United States. He said fascist politicians thrive on launching purportedly specific attacks against certain segments of a population, like “criminal” immigrants or Jews, and then broadening that definition to include the entire group.

8. Sexual anxiety. Stanley said the fascist politician always foments panic around the threat of rape perpetrated by out-group men against in-group women. “The particular threat is rape,” he said, “and then you create fear among people by talking about rape, and then you try to attack people’s diminished sense of traditional manlihood by fomenting fear about sexuality.”

9. Sodom and Gomorrah. Fascist politicians always locate virtue in the countryside and in small towns, and never in cities with their mixtures of people, races, “decadence” and permissiveness.

10. Arbeit macht frei. Fascist politicians identify out groups as lazy, attack welfare systems and labor organizers, and promote the idea that the group on top is hard working, the groups on the bottom are lazy and drains on the state and should be forced to work, ideally for free.

Hmm...

[pilferk]

Notice what he's doing here; he cannot argue on the specifics because then, he might actually get nailed down on something. So he defers to generalizations and strawmen about "liberals".

Who has suggested we ignore any property damage here? Quote them. Oh, you can't? Because that's a pathetic strawman? I thought so.

No, the actual analogy would be "Cops are largely non-violent, so we should not tear gas, assault and imprison the good ones who had nothing to do with the behavior of the bad ones"

I mean, I've seen no one...literally no one...suggest those actually committing the property damage be allowed to get off scott free.  They should face the consequences of their individual actions, individually.  And do you want to know why that is? Because there are laws and protections already in place that ensure those people can be held accountable! INDIVIDUALLY.  And...heh heh....you can see they're being "used" since a handful of arrests are being made each night.

Anyone suggesting that people in this thread have suggested the property damage should be ignored is lying.  They're not wrong or mistaken...because people have LITERALLY said they want those people held accountable. And they've been corrected on that front already.  Witness the post where I said that the perpetrator in the pawn shop burning should absolutely be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for the crimes they committed. And then had to reiterate it because it didn't seem to penetrate.

What I do NOT think is that you tear gas, beat, and gestapo style arrest the REST of the LARGELY PEACEFUL protesters for the actions of the few bad apples. Amongst the THOUSAND plus protesters , you're seeing less than a dozen a night get arrested.  Meaning roughly 99% of the protesters are behaving.  Even at 10 times that number, you're still talking about the VAST majority of protesters being gassed and beaten for doing exactly nothing.  And hell, many times the gassing and beatings are being done BEFORE there are any acts of vandalism or violence committed.

It's not "the property damage should be ignored"...it's that punishment for the property damage should be a) commesurate with our existing laws and the severity of the vandalism, b) carried out AFTER the crime is committed and c) carried out by the justice system, not jackbooted federal agents who are not authorized to do so (or be there).  Is it right to shoot unarmed people committing petty theft? Is it right to taser jaywalkers?  In normal circumstances, many of the crimes mentioned (chipping bricks and painting buildings) would be a citation, fine, and maybe community service (which involves washing away the graffiti) if put in front of an actual judge, and using actual sentencing guidelines.

At the end of the day, you know this is all a strawman.  It's something they think they can latch on to in order to distract from the thing that makes them uncomfortable talking about: Systemic racism and the trend toward excessive force that law enforcement directs toward minorities (and, apparently, those protesting on their behalf). In short, he issue, which is the one the conservatives don't want to address, is one of excessive force....and they are tacitly admitting they are all for it.  They want to misrepresent the debate, intentionally, as the left not wanting accountability...because they can't (well, won't, really) actually address the issue at hand. Witness the good Senator repeatedly ignoring tims points.  They know they can't win the actual debate, so they try to change the subject. It's employing the Trump playbook:  Deflect, obfuscate, ignore.

Honest question: What do you think would have happened if the armed protest at the state capital or one of the antimask protests had been tear gassed to break them up, BEFORE they had actually done anything wrong?

I suspect the conservatives would have flipped their lids, and screamed about the liberals trampling all over their 1st amendment rights.  But when they don't agree with the cause?  Tear gas those malcontent antifa loving communists!!

[sandman]

No, you have one side being peaceful

I needed this laugh today. seriously. Mondays can be rough, especially in the summer, but that was good.

Property damage is not violence. That you equate human life with property says everything.

It also says a lot that you leave 90% of the argument on the table with every reply. Literally a tactic from the Alt-Right playbook:

https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA?t=282

you said "PEACEFUL". that's what I referenced. Rioting and looting is not peaceful.

you then imply that you meant "violence". and you then make a false statement that I am equating human life with property. 

you lie and misrepresent.

this whole discussion started with this comment. you said one side was being peaceful. clearly a false statement. 

you lied.

you then tried to change your comment from "peaceful" to "violent", and then tried to twist around what I said by suggesting I equate property with human life. just so you can "win".

everyone sees your true character.

[sandman]

Peaceful protests and violent clashes erupted this weekend
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/us/us-blm-protests/index.html

Portland
"Around 11 p.m., people began shaking a fence while others shot fireworks over it, police said. A large group of peaceful protesters appeared to approach the group rocking the fence and tried to de-escalate the tension, according to a CNN team on the scene.

Police "attempted to disperse the crowd using various munitions," the PPB said in a statement. According to police, members of the crowd had gas masks, shields, leaf blowers, power tools, fireworks and lasers."

Seattle
"Demonstrators also entered a construction site at a local courthouse, where they set fires to portable trailers and broke the windows of personal vehicles in the area, police said in a separate statement. Some demonstrators then moved on and broke the windows of several businesses on 12th Avenue."

Louisville
"Seventy-six people were arrested Friday night for allegedly blocking off a street with barrels filled with water, urine and bleach, according to Louisville Metro Police Department Deputy Chief LaVita Chavous. Some demonstrators allegedly threw water bottles at police. Charges include assault and disorderly conduct, Chavous said."

 

[sandman]

From a week ago:
Seattle Protesters Smash Amazon, Starbucks, Walgreens in Riot Videos
https://www.newsweek.com/seattle-protesters-smash-amazon-starbucks-walgreens-1518970

From this weekend:
47 arrested, 59 officers injured in Seattle protests that turned violent
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/thousands-gather-capitol-hill-solidarity-with-demonstrations-portland/STVDEK5XUJHWLL2HQZT2NWDYVY/


SEATTLE —  Nearly four dozen people were arrested, and more than 55 officers were injured Saturday after protests turned violent with trailers set on fire, windows at businesses smashed, cars damaged, and explosive devices thrown at police.

During a media briefing with Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best, she said Saturday’s protest was not a peaceful demonstration at all, and many people were put at risk. She described the path that rioters took.

What started with thousands of people gathering peacefully Saturday afternoon in Capitol Hill in solidarity with the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests in Portland changed later in the day.


The group met at Seattle Central College at East Pine Street and Broadway at around 1 p.m. before starting their march and loudly making their message heard to defund SPD.


Consistent messages here include abolition of police.The crowd is now large enough to stretch for a city block when they begin marching. Seeing a lot of gas masks and brand new batting helmets. It’s also getting hot. pic.twitter.com/ZRG0WiJptn
— Gary Horcher (@GaryKIRO7) July 25, 2020


Things shifted at about 4 p.m.

During the march, Seattle police said about a dozen people devolved into a rampage of destruction as they marched past the King County Youth Detention Center at 12th Avenue and Alder Street, targeting the site.

Some rioters carried sledgehammers and began shattering workers’ car windows in the parking lot.

At one point, a rioter grabbed a flagger’s stop sign and used it as a weapon.

Protesters through incendiary devices into construction trailers at the new construction site of the juvenile justice facility. It was spray-painted before it was torched pic.twitter.com/qJxETMeXC5
— Gary Horcher (@GaryKIRO7) July 25, 2020


At the same time, a row of construction trailers next door on 12th Avenue were firebombed after some rioters scaled a fence.

The site used to be where the old juvenile detention center stood, but KIRO 7 was told workers at the site were building a parking lot.


Fire crews responded and reported that five construction trailers were on fire. They were destroyed.

King County youth detention officer Daryl Breaux saw her SUV’s smashed windows and slashed tires. Her fellow workers were overcome with emotion seeing the damage to every worker’s car.

“I didn’t deserve this, OK! I’m a hardworking individual, college-educated young lady, Black lady at that! Born and raised in Seattle!” she said.

When she saw her co-workers’ cars also destroyed, Breaux wondered what the point was when county leaders had already committed to closing the facility in five years.

In this video you will see the first sighting of an SPD swat armored vehicle. Until now I saw zero police officers anywhere around the protest pic.twitter.com/r5gPjCsKoJ
— Gary Horcher (@GaryKIRO7) July 25, 2020

The destruction did not end there. A Starbucks was destroyed five blocks up 12th Avenue at Columbia Street.

Everything outside and inside the Starbucks appeared to be shattered, mangled and looted. Even nearby parking pay stations were destroyed.

Seattle police said some protesters spray-painted the East Precinct at 12th and Pine Street, tried to disable cameras and caused damage after someone breached a fence line.

Moments after the breach, a device exploded, leaving an 8-inch hole in the side of the precinct, according to police.

Because of the ongoing damage and violence, police declared a riot.

Large crowd remains at Broadway and Pine Street. Multiple arrests made. Officers continue to work to disperse crowd. Safe exit is to the west.
— Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD) July 25, 2020

Police said a telephone pole at 11th and Pine Street was set on fire, and they continued to receive reports about broken windows and damage on Capitol Hill.

A crowd threw rocks, bottles and mortars at officers during the protests, according to police.

Crowd throwing explosives at officer line at 11th and Pine.
— Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD) July 26, 2020

During the violent protests, 59 officers were injured on Capitol Hill, including one who suffered a leg injury caused by an explosive device, authorities said. Most were treated for their injuries and returned to work.

KIRO 7 caught the simmering tension between protesters and police on camera, including police taking down a demonstrator who tried to tear off an officer’s helmet.

Crowd continuing to throw large rocks, bottles, fireworks and other explosives at officers. pic.twitter.com/3gTGJUonUt
— Seattle Police Dept. (@SeattlePD) July 26, 2020

Police said they used less-lethal tools to disperse crowds, including OC spray, blast balls and 40 mm sponge rounds, but did not deploy tear gas.

During the riot, police made arrests for assault on officers, obstruction and failure to disperse. They reported that 47 arrests were made due to the riots.

[PermissionToLand]

this whole discussion started with this comment. you said one side was being peaceful. clearly a false statement.  

you lied.

Funny, because you've not been able to prove any of the instances of violence you linked were committed by BLM members.

YOU lied.

I stated an objective fact; the protesters have been peaceful. It's the looters who have not. You repeatedly try to conflate the two with ZERO evidence. I will keep calling out your LIES designed to slander a civil rights movement.

Oh look at this, it turns out the guy smashing the AutoZone windows that sparked the looting was a white supremacist!

Minneapolis police say 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting

https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-floyd-rioting/571932272/

you then tried to change your comment from "peaceful" to "violent"

... what? You wanna take another stab at forming a coherent thought there, champ? Are "peaceful" and "violent" not antonyms over there in right wing nutso-land?

, and then tried to twist around what I said by suggesting I equate property with human life. just so you can "win".

Being offended is not a counter-argument. It's clear who is obsessed with the optics of the conversation here and who is exhaustively writing logical rebuttals. You project your own behavior onto anyone calling you out as a diversion just like your boycrush Trump and every other two-bit criminal thug. It's transparent as hell and everyone sees your true character.

I'll point out to the audience how you leave 99% of the argument on the table because you have no logical defense. No counter-argument as to how you were not equating property with human life, just the typical dishonest emotional appeal tactics from you. C'mon, have some self-respect.

I also notice you've been completely silent on the protester who was murdered by a driver opening fire on the crowd...

https://abc7.com/austin-shooting-downtown-protest-murder/6335183/

Funny, you seem to care so genuinely about violence going on in the streets... I guess only if it's toward a garbage can or fence and not a human being.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

I'd agree with you if Antifa were not actually fascists. Not a fan of a group that teaches its members to go beat the shit out of other people just because they have a difference of opinion politically.

That's the problem. It's not one group lead by one leader who decides what everyone should do.


So, let me ask you again, what part of being against fascism do you disagree with?


My point is that these generalizations are a bit scary. If you're against fascism doesn't mean you're automatically gonna turn violent. Just because you believe the Republicans aren't doing a great job, doesn't make you a communist or a socialist. People throw these terms around without even knowing that they mean.

Being called an anti fascist shouldn't be an issue to anyone. Republican or non-Republican. Unless you idolize Mussolini or others of that kind...


Meanwhile, the KKK isn't seen as a terrorist group....



/jarmo

But antifa picked an ironic name. Here is a clip from someone who got the shit beat out of them by antifa members.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFvzM6Ejy2s

The KKK, while wearing a different color identity concealing outfit,  also deserves to be considered a terrorist organization.