Covid-19 (not gnr related)

[tim_m]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

[cineater]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

But that's not the point.  You have people who would argue going to the public beach is their constitutional right.  What makes the beach unsafe for people right now is lack of social distancing which is even more pronounced in people gathering and marching in protest.  Covid doesn't exempt anyone because society has a higher priority over other constitutional protected activities.  It's just as dangerous to gather in protest as it is for any other gathering of people (according to science).

[cineater]

I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.

[tim_m]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

But that's not the point.  You have people who would argue going to the public beach is their constitutional right.  What makes the beach unsafe for people right now is lack of social distancing which is even more pronounced in people gathering and marching in protest.  Covid doesn't exempt anyone because society has a higher priority over other constitutional protected activities.  It's just as dangerous to gather in protest as it is for any other gathering of people (according to science).

All true but I think we can all agree this is more important then going to the beach or whatever.

[tim_m]

I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.

And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

[cineater]

I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.

And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.

[tim_m]

I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.

And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.

I would rather they weren't but that's not uncommon while awaiting trial.

[cineater]

I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.

And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.

I would rather they weren't but that's not uncommon while awaiting trial.

It is for the rest of us who commit minor offenses and have no reason to run away. 

One just needs to assume you are always on camera and every electronic communication could be public information.  They just caught a Ferguson officer on camera doing shit.  Unbelievable he would do that to begin with and especially now.

[COMAMOTIVE]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

[cineater]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

They need to take a tip from the GNR fans.  We do a pretty good job of rioting online. 

Went to Home Depot, Tuesday at 11 and the place is packed.  Think we're over covid prevention until it sneaks up and gets you.

[COMAMOTIVE]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

They need to take a tip from the GNR fans.  We do a pretty good job of rioting online. 

Went to Home Depot, Tuesday at 11 and the place is packed.  Think we're over covid prevention until it sneaks up and gets you.

Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 

2020 - Lunacy

[jarmo]

Europe is opening up slowly. The Spanish football league is restarting this week, without spectators.

Meanwhile things are getting worse elsewhere.




/jarmo

[tim_m]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

They need to take a tip from the GNR fans.  We do a pretty good job of rioting online. 

Went to Home Depot, Tuesday at 11 and the place is packed.  Think we're over covid prevention until it sneaks up and gets you.

Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 

2020 - Lunacy

Except they've already walked that back.

[tim_m]

Europe is opening up slowly. The Spanish football league is restarting this week, without spectators.

Meanwhile things are getting worse elsewhere.




/jarmo

Yep, my state had a record number of hospitalizations with covid-19 yesterday.

[tim_m]

Protesting is a constitutional protected right, going to a beach or get a haircut isn't. Lets keep things in perspective here.

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

Ok beach was a bad example because most are public. No business is constitutionally required to open so you can do xyz. Point is there is no scenario where the government, federal, state or local can stop you from protesting. Closing things to protect the health of the public is completely different.

[tim_m]

I know it's the covid topic but those dozens of police officers who resigned in Buffalo, I'll take their resignation.  They knocked down an old man and walked by him while he laid bleeding on the sidewalk.

And the cops who perpetrated the attack have been charged.

And released on their own recognizance.

I would rather they weren't but that's not uncommon while awaiting trial.

It is for the rest of us who commit minor offenses and have no reason to run away. 

One just needs to assume you are always on camera and every electronic communication could be public information.  They just caught a Ferguson officer on camera doing shit.  Unbelievable he would do that to begin with and especially now.

I agree they shouldn't have been released while awaiting trial.

Yep and that's not how  they're acting. Even with the world watching they just can't stop using excessive force and all around bad behavior.

[pilferk]

Please explain

How is going to a beach or a park not a constitutional right in a free society?

What if the protests were taking place on a beach? Would that be allright?

The courts have said we have an ABRIDGED right to go to the beach (or a public park).  The caveat being if something in, on, or associated with that beach/park could reasonably effect the public (down to the individual level) health, the municipal agency that owns the park/beach can shut them down.  It's the same basic provision that applies when there is a bacteria water quality issue in parks with standing water: The states and/or fed can close those parks. The courts have consistently upheld that caveat.

And yes, to some extent, protesting on the beach might make it mostly "allright", at least legally.  I haven't seen any watermark case law that bears that out, though.  I suspect those protesters would face trespassing charges, as was the case in Miami:

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/woman-protesting-covid-19-closures-arrested-after-refusing-to-leave-miami-beach-cops/2231710/

Now, if you're talking about from a public health perspective....I'm of the mind it's NOT OK.  We'll see in a couple weeks if there is a spike.  They are outdoors.  In most places they're in warmer weather.  I see a lot of masks.  But it's still essentially creating a petri dish.

[pilferk]

The potential for exposure is the same in either situation. But one is OK and not the other.

Pretty much goes to show it was always about politics and not health.

The irony of this post is thick.

[pilferk]

Yep - but don't worry - WHO is now saying asymptamatic people may not be a risk to transmit
 

2020 - Lunacy

Not true.  They've clarified what they meant on that front.

The headlines were bad, and the research summary wasn't clear on the abstract.