2021 US Summer Tour (was: 2021 North America Stadium Tour)

[jarmo]

SummerFest in Milwaukee was first postponed to September and now canceled.

After careful, diligent, and thoughtful consideration and out of an abundance of caution for the health and safety of our community,  Summerfest presented by @amfam
 will not take place as previously announced. Full statement, refunds, 2020 ticket page: https://www.summerfest.com/2020-ticket-refund-information/




/jarmo

[rizzo160]

Thanks for the update

[jordans]

I mean start late August through November. we are starting up local concerts here in mid July. covid isn't what they said it is. the new distraction is racial division and riots since people are waking up to the covid hoopla. I don't want to get political on here but damn

I don't want to go to an outdoor stadium show in November.  I may not be able to cross the border still at that time. 

I wish they would outright cancel.

[tim_m]

They will definitely reschedule for next summer, even if they deemed it safe in the fall for a stadium full of people you gotta consider the weather. Would you wanna go to a concert in a snow storm or ice storm?

[rizzo160]

Anymore updates for the tour?

[dsaddler78]

Anymore updates for the tour?

I am wondering the same!!! Motley Crue just announced rescheduled dates for next year. hopefully we get the same sooner than later

[jarmo]

hopefully we get the same sooner than later

Hope so.

There's two tours that need to be rescheduled. Not just the North American leg, but also the European one.




/jarmo

[pilferk]

So, there's some interesting info out there right now that might be part of the issue with a delay in the information.

Apparently, LiveNation wants a 20% discount from the artists fees to reschedule dates for next year.

From what I'm hearing, that's leading to a LOT of extra time in this process, as negotiations are ongoing.

Edit: Here's the tip of the iceberg on this...

https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/live-nation-reduce-artist-payments-1234641466/

[rizzo160]

A lot of changes that are not favorable to the artist. Hopefully the South America tour goes off without a hitch.  Crazy times with the covid reappearing again in China.  Untill there is a vaccine I think most concerts will be postponed/cancelled.

[tim_m]

And it is still raging in the states because many states didn't follow guidelines for reopening.

[allwaystired]

So, there's some interesting info out there right now that might be part of the issue with a delay in the information.

Apparently, LiveNation wants a 20% discount from the artists fees to reschedule dates for next year.

From what I'm hearing, that's leading to a LOT of extra time in this process, as negotiations are ongoing.

Edit: Here's the tip of the iceberg on this...

https://variety.com/2020/biz/news/live-nation-reduce-artist-payments-1234641466/

There's a lot of extremely bad news for artists in there.

If they cancel they have to pay promoters twice their fee?! That'll lead to a lot of very shit concerts if things like illness or a band splitting up are included in that. Bands slogging on simply to avoid having to PAY the promoter not to play!

Ultimately, yet again, Live Nation are fucking over bands and ultimately fans even more it seems.

[pilferk]

There's a lot of extremely bad news for artists in there.

If they cancel they have to pay promoters twice their fee?! That'll lead to a lot of very shit concerts if things like illness or a band splitting up are included in that. Bands slogging on simply to avoid having to PAY the promoter not to play!

Ultimately, yet again, Live Nation are fucking over bands and ultimately fans even more it seems.

For awhile now, artists really make their money on the road.  The label system, and the move to digital, have completely screwed the artist when it comes to album sales.  They're just not that lucrative once the label is done carving out their piece of the pie.

So, albums are basically used to promote a tour, where the artists have gotten a much more fair shake.  Until, it appears, now.  Live Nation, after one "bad season", is crying poor and making artist hostile changes.  And THIS is the issue with having what amounts to a single vendor monopoly on booking large concert venues and ticket prices.

Note: Live Nation isn't intending to lower those ticket prices....they're just going to stuff the extra in their own pockets, instead of the artists.

Not. Cool. Where is Pearl Jam when you need them!!!

[allwaystired]

There's a lot of extremely bad news for artists in there.

If they cancel they have to pay promoters twice their fee?! That'll lead to a lot of very shit concerts if things like illness or a band splitting up are included in that. Bands slogging on simply to avoid having to PAY the promoter not to play!

Ultimately, yet again, Live Nation are fucking over bands and ultimately fans even more it seems.

For awhile now, artists really make their money on the road.  The label system, and the move to digital, have completely screwed the artist when it comes to album sales.  They're just not that lucrative once the label is done carving out their piece of the pie.

So, albums are basically used to promote a tour, where the artists have gotten a much more fair shake.  Until, it appears, now.  Live Nation, after one "bad season", is crying poor and making artist hostile changes.  And THIS is the issue with having what amounts to a single vendor monopoly on booking large concert venues and ticket prices.

Note: Live Nation isn't intending to lower those ticket prices....they're just going to stuff the extra in their own pockets, instead of the artists.

Not. Cool. Where is Pearl Jam when you need them!!!

Couldn't agree more. That bit about "the promoter will set ticket prices" also means that musicians have zero say in what they're charging for tickets, meaning that the gap between when a musician is getting paid and the money made from ticket sales could widen massively. And if bands don't like the fee Live Nation are offering them, as you, say, what else can they do? There's a monopoly and it's 'play by our rules or don't play at all'.

People did warn of the risks of the Live Nation monopoly, and were largely ignored.

[cineater]

There's a lot of extremely bad news for artists in there.

If they cancel they have to pay promoters twice their fee?! That'll lead to a lot of very shit concerts if things like illness or a band splitting up are included in that. Bands slogging on simply to avoid having to PAY the promoter not to play!

Ultimately, yet again, Live Nation are fucking over bands and ultimately fans even more it seems.

For awhile now, artists really make their money on the road.  The label system, and the move to digital, have completely screwed the artist when it comes to album sales.  They're just not that lucrative once the label is done carving out their piece of the pie.

So, albums are basically used to promote a tour, where the artists have gotten a much more fair shake.  Until, it appears, now.  Live Nation, after one "bad season", is crying poor and making artist hostile changes.  And THIS is the issue with having what amounts to a single vendor monopoly on booking large concert venues and ticket prices.

Note: Live Nation isn't intending to lower those ticket prices....they're just going to stuff the extra in their own pockets, instead of the artists.

Not. Cool. Where is Pearl Jam when you need them!!!

Couldn't agree more. That bit about "the promoter will set ticket prices" also means that musicians have zero say in what they're charging for tickets, meaning that the gap between when a musician is getting paid and the money made from ticket sales could widen massively. And if bands don't like the fee Live Nation are offering them, as you, say, what else can they do? There's a monopoly and it's 'play by our rules or don't play at all'.

People did warn of the risks of the Live Nation monopoly, and were largely ignored.

So if the 2020 concert gets delayed to 2021 do they stay under the old contract or are they forced into the 2021 contract?  If they say fuck you and fuck your contracts was there penalties under the old contract that have to be paid?

I think Live Nation is pretty much the game if you want to play.  I wonder what the change is to the venues contracts?

[allwaystired]

There's a lot of extremely bad news for artists in there.

If they cancel they have to pay promoters twice their fee?! That'll lead to a lot of very shit concerts if things like illness or a band splitting up are included in that. Bands slogging on simply to avoid having to PAY the promoter not to play!

Ultimately, yet again, Live Nation are fucking over bands and ultimately fans even more it seems.

For awhile now, artists really make their money on the road.  The label system, and the move to digital, have completely screwed the artist when it comes to album sales.  They're just not that lucrative once the label is done carving out their piece of the pie.

So, albums are basically used to promote a tour, where the artists have gotten a much more fair shake.  Until, it appears, now.  Live Nation, after one "bad season", is crying poor and making artist hostile changes.  And THIS is the issue with having what amounts to a single vendor monopoly on booking large concert venues and ticket prices.

Note: Live Nation isn't intending to lower those ticket prices....they're just going to stuff the extra in their own pockets, instead of the artists.

Not. Cool. Where is Pearl Jam when you need them!!!

Couldn't agree more. That bit about "the promoter will set ticket prices" also means that musicians have zero say in what they're charging for tickets, meaning that the gap between when a musician is getting paid and the money made from ticket sales could widen massively. And if bands don't like the fee Live Nation are offering them, as you, say, what else can they do? There's a monopoly and it's 'play by our rules or don't play at all'.

People did warn of the risks of the Live Nation monopoly, and were largely ignored.

So if the 2020 concert gets delayed to 2021 do they stay under the old contract or are they forced into the 2021 contract?  If they say fuck you and fuck your contracts was there penalties under the old contract that have to be paid?

I think Live Nation is pretty much the game if you want to play.  I wonder what the change is to the venues contracts?

I was wondering the same thing. Is it a case of 'same show, less money'? I think whatever is going on some sort of announcement needs to be made very soon. Pretty much every other band have announced their 2021 rescheduled dates now. Whether they're doing that under these new rules....who knows?

One thing looks certain though- bands aren't going to be paid what they used to, and the burden of responsibility is being moved to them. Live Nation have got their fingers burned recently......and aggressive monopolising entities like them really don't like that.

[dsaddler78]

There's a lot of extremely bad news for artists in there.

If they cancel they have to pay promoters twice their fee?! That'll lead to a lot of very shit concerts if things like illness or a band splitting up are included in that. Bands slogging on simply to avoid having to PAY the promoter not to play!

Ultimately, yet again, Live Nation are fucking over bands and ultimately fans even more it seems.

For awhile now, artists really make their money on the road.  The label system, and the move to digital, have completely screwed the artist when it comes to album sales.  They're just not that lucrative once the label is done carving out their piece of the pie.

So, albums are basically used to promote a tour, where the artists have gotten a much more fair shake.  Until, it appears, now.  Live Nation, after one "bad season", is crying poor and making artist hostile changes.  And THIS is the issue with having what amounts to a single vendor monopoly on booking large concert venues and ticket prices.

Note: Live Nation isn't intending to lower those ticket prices....they're just going to stuff the extra in their own pockets, instead of the artists.

Not. Cool. Where is Pearl Jam when you need them!!!

Couldn't agree more. That bit about "the promoter will set ticket prices" also means that musicians have zero say in what they're charging for tickets, meaning that the gap between when a musician is getting paid and the money made from ticket sales could widen massively. And if bands don't like the fee Live Nation are offering them, as you, say, what else can they do? There's a monopoly and it's 'play by our rules or don't play at all'.

People did warn of the risks of the Live Nation monopoly, and were largely ignored.

So if the 2020 concert gets delayed to 2021 do they stay under the old contract or are they forced into the 2021 contract?  If they say fuck you and fuck your contracts was there penalties under the old contract that have to be paid?

I think Live Nation is pretty much the game if you want to play.  I wonder what the change is to the venues contracts?

I was wondering the same thing. Is it a case of 'same show, less money'? I think whatever is going on some sort of announcement needs to be made very soon. Pretty much every other band have announced their 2021 rescheduled dates now. Whether they're doing that under these new rules....who knows?

One thing looks certain though- bands aren't going to be paid what they used to, and the burden of responsibility is being moved to them. Live Nation have got their fingers burned recently......and aggressive monopolising entities like them really don't like that.

bump....I am starting to get nervous now. most all other major tours have rescheduled. damn

[rizzo160]

I'm surprised they have not rescheduled the dates yet

[Mysteron]

I'm surprised they have not rescheduled the dates yet

Until you guys vote out Doughnut Trump, nothing much is going to happen. To the rest of the world, the US appears on a different level with the virus, and that is coming from the UK, the numpty land of Europe. (England really)

Hopefully we can all get back on track next year.

(Not meaning it to be a political post btw. Just want the world to get back to normal)

[allwaystired]

I'm surprised they have not rescheduled the dates yet

Until you guys vote out Doughnut Trump, nothing much is going to happen. To the rest of the world, the US appears on a different level with the virus, and that is coming from the UK, the numpty land of Europe. (England really)

Hopefully we can all get back on track next year.

(Not meaning it to be a political post btw. Just want the world to get back to normal)

Yeah, we're giving America a run for it's money in the stupidity stakes at the moment for sure......but fuck me does the USA look in a state at the moment. It's the one thing me and my friends keep messaging to each other when we're down about the state of England at present, how at least we're not in America at the moment.

Stay safe all you guys out there.

[rizzo160]

Lucky here in Maryland the cases are down to 300 hundred a day and 450 in the ICU.  The cases are bad in Florida, Texas, and Arizona all Trump states. Hopefully get the vaccine next year and then the concerts will be back on.