2017 Baseball Season/Off Season Discussion

[JAEBALL]

I see that Bacoman was finally BANNED.....

No more ridiculous Blue Jay rants huh..... how sad lol

[pilferk]

I see that Bacoman was finally BANNED.....

No more ridiculous Blue Jay rants huh..... how sad lol

Yeah, I noticed it last week.

I think his ranting and raving leading up to, during, and just after the live stream on Sirius was the final straw for the mods.

And the Jays have been SOOOOOO bad, he'd basically gone away to hide from this thread, anyway.  He tried to talk some smack, during the Yanks swoon, and then the Jays suddenly couldn't win, again.

[JAEBALL]

I see that Bacoman was finally BANNED.....

No more ridiculous Blue Jay rants huh..... how sad lol

Yeah, I noticed it last week.

I think his ranting and raving leading up to, during, and just after the live stream on Sirius was the final straw for the mods.

And the Jays have been SOOOOOO bad, he'd basically gone away to hide from this thread, anyway.  He tried to talk some smack, during the Yanks swoon, and then the Jays suddenly couldn't win, again.

Do we even still have Mods other than Jarmo? I thought he was the only person really policing anything, maybe I'm wrong.


Jays have been atrocious this year...


Our favorite 150 million dollar bench player played and lead off last night... made me sick lol

I am really curious about what happens when Hicks comes back.... I know Hal won't eat 70 million...but what the hell are they supposed to do...

At this rate... Frazier HAS to play left field every day....

[pilferk]

I see that Bacoman was finally BANNED.....

No more ridiculous Blue Jay rants huh..... how sad lol

Yeah, I noticed it last week.

I think his ranting and raving leading up to, during, and just after the live stream on Sirius was the final straw for the mods.

And the Jays have been SOOOOOO bad, he'd basically gone away to hide from this thread, anyway.  He tried to talk some smack, during the Yanks swoon, and then the Jays suddenly couldn't win, again.

Do we even still have Mods other than Jarmo? I thought he was the only person really policing anything, maybe I'm wrong.


Jays have been atrocious this year...


Our favorite 150 million dollar bench player played and lead off last night... made me sick lol

I am really curious about what happens when Hicks comes back.... I know Hal won't eat 70 million...but what the hell are they supposed to do...

At this rate... Frazier HAS to play left field every day....

I mean...they COULD, feasibly, DFA Holiday and use the DH as the "odd outfielder out" spot and rotate around. But Judge and Frazier are both not going anywhere.  Gardner is playing center VERY well, and is hitting better than you suspect Ellsbury will, AND has been in the midst of a power display recently.  So, even with Hicks coming back...none of the guys playing the OF should be sat, completely.  Their bats are too important.

So, you DFA Holiday (as much as I hate to do it), who hasn't been hitting great and can't actually play the field all that well.  Ellsbury becomes your backup outfielder/DH, in case of injury.

IDK, we'll see.  The thing is: They only have to really hold down the fort til September callups, when the rosters expand.  But you REALLY want Frazier on the post season roster....ditto Hicks.  So....it's gotta be Ellsbury or Holiday on the outside, looking in. Given the economics, I'm betting Holiday. But maybe they'll surprise me.

What I would LOVE for them to do is swap Ellsbury's contract for Verlanders in a waiver wire deal.  Let Verlander spell Monty (or Sevy) for awhile, since he may be on an innings limit.  Both those guys would likely clear waivers, since nobody wants to take those contracts on.  Straight contract swap and bob's your uncle.

[JAEBALL]

I see that Bacoman was finally BANNED.....

No more ridiculous Blue Jay rants huh..... how sad lol

Yeah, I noticed it last week.

I think his ranting and raving leading up to, during, and just after the live stream on Sirius was the final straw for the mods.

And the Jays have been SOOOOOO bad, he'd basically gone away to hide from this thread, anyway.  He tried to talk some smack, during the Yanks swoon, and then the Jays suddenly couldn't win, again.

Do we even still have Mods other than Jarmo? I thought he was the only person really policing anything, maybe I'm wrong.


Jays have been atrocious this year...


Our favorite 150 million dollar bench player played and lead off last night... made me sick lol

I am really curious about what happens when Hicks comes back.... I know Hal won't eat 70 million...but what the hell are they supposed to do...

At this rate... Frazier HAS to play left field every day....

I mean...they COULD, feasibly, DFA Holiday and use the DH as the "odd outfielder out" spot and rotate around. But Judge and Frazier are both not going anywhere.  Gardner is playing center VERY well, and is hitting better than you suspect Ellsbury will, AND has been in the midst of a power display recently.  So, even with Hicks coming back...none of the guys playing the OF should be sat, completely.  Their bats are too important.

So, you DFA Holiday (as much as I hate to do it), who hasn't been hitting great and can't actually play the field all that well.  Ellsbury becomes your backup outfielder/DH, in case of injury.

IDK, we'll see.  The thing is: They only have to really hold down the fort til September callups, when the rosters expand.  But you REALLY want Frazier on the post season roster....ditto Hicks.  So....it's gotta be Ellsbury or Holiday on the outside, looking in. Given the economics, I'm betting Holiday. But maybe they'll surprise me.

What I would LOVE for them to do is swap Ellsbury's contract for Verlanders in a waiver wire deal.  Let Verlander spell Monty (or Sevy) for awhile, since he may be on an innings limit.  Both those guys would likely clear waivers, since nobody wants to take those contracts on.  Straight contract swap and bob's your uncle.

Where do I sign for a Verlander swap.....

Holliday... there must be something lingering from that illness... he is behind on every pitch.

[JAEBALL]

Despite the obvious upgrades we made ... I still give the edge in the division to the bad guys ...

Sale is such a difference maker.

[pilferk]

Despite the obvious upgrades we made ... I still give the edge in the division to the bad guys ...

Sale is such a difference maker.

A lot depends on Price.

If it really is a minor issue, and he's back in a couple weeks, so do I.

If it's something more major, and he misses significant time down the stretch, or comes on and off the DL over the last 60 games once or twice.....then I think the Yanks have the edge.

Sale is a difference maker, but he can only pitch once every 5 days.  The Sox were NOT GOOD until Price came back and started pitching well.

All this is assuming the Yanks offense continues to chug along like it has, and their bullpen is lights out.  Neither is a sure thing.  These young guys could regress, and fast. We just don't know.....

[pilferk]

Pedroia to DL with knee something (swelling?).

Edit: To clear up why I can't tell.  The alert I got says "Pedroia to DL with knee adam".

Somehow, I don't think Dustin names his knees, nor do I think naming his knee adam would lead to a DL stint.

I'm assuming they mean edema.....and it's a typo. But I can't tell and haven't seen anyone else comment yet.

Sure they will, soon.

[C0ma]

Pedroia to DL with knee something (swelling?).

Edit: To clear up why I can't tell.  The alert I got says "Pedroia to DL with knee adam".

Somehow, I don't think Dustin names his knees, nor do I think naming his knee adam would lead to a DL stint.

I'm assuming they mean edema.....and it's a typo. But I can't tell and haven't seen anyone else comment yet.

Sure they will, soon.

Boston Herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2017/08/dustin_pedroia_to_dl_andrew_benintendi_out_again_for_red#.WYEiyiyGjNQ.twitter

Eduardo Nunez was acquired because of his ability to play third base, but it?s second base where Nunez will need to get comfortable.

Dustin Pedroia, who has missed the last four games, was placed on the 10-day disabled list with left knee inflammation on Tuesday afternoon.

"We?re hopeful he?s back to us at the end of the 10-day stint," manager John Farrell said.

He met with a knee specialist in Boston today after feeling consistent fatigue and soreness over the last week or so. The determination was that the trouble was caused by a cartilage  issue, not a ligament issue, and some rest was necessary

[faldor]

He says he'll be back soon. Doesn't sound too serious.

Just FYI:

He said the same thing, via SM, shortly after they found the UCL tear/strain/whatever it really is, back in March-ish.  He was super optimistic he'd be back quickly.

It took him all of spring training, and most of the month of May (so about 12 weeks) to recover from it.  And about 7 weeks later, it's back again.

I know they're saying it's "less severe" than in spring training, but I wouldn't take his word for it or the Sox word for it (who, while saying it's less severe, also wouldn't rule out losing him for the season in the next breath), all things considered.

It's definitely not a complete tear...it doesn't look like he's going to opt for surgery...so that's better than originally expected.  BUT....lets see how long until they clear him to actually pitch.

Looks like you were right about Price. Nothing official but he's still experiencing general soreness and certainly won't be back as soon as they hoped. I should know better by now to never trust the Red Sox when it comes to injury news. Carson Smith was supposed to be back by June. Still waiting for him.

[tim_m]

Derek jeter led group to buy the Marlins. I wish him the best in this new endeavour. As for the Loria's goodbye and good riddance to bad trash. May MLB never let those scumbags back in the door.

[pilferk]

Nothin' says wakin' up....like a series with the Mets in your cup.

[tim_m]

Tanaka dealing through 6 tonight in Detroit.

[faldor]

Tanaka dealing through 6 tonight in Detroit.

Not as well as Doug Fister. Yes that's right, Doug Fister. Gave up a lead off homer and then didn't give up another hit for a CG one hitter. I can't imagine this will become commonplace so I'll enjoy it while I can. Indians are falling apart health wise. Put Miller and Salazar back on the DL today, lost Santana last night, and Kipnis tonight. What a difference a couple of days make.

[tim_m]

Tanaka dealing through 6 tonight in Detroit.

Not as well as Doug Fister. Yes that's right, Doug Fister. Gave up a lead off homer and then didn't give up another hit for a CG one hitter. I can't imagine this will become commonplace so I'll enjoy it while I can. Indians are falling apart health wise. Put Miller and Salazar back on the DL today, lost Santana last night, and Kipnis tonight. What a difference a couple of days make.

Ouch that's really bad.

[JAEBALL]

Wrong sport.... but you C fans like the trade?

I did a double take when I woke up and saw Fister throws 1 hitter...

[faldor]

Wrong sport.... but you C fans like the trade?

I did a double take when I woke up and saw Fister throws 1 hitter...

I think the Kyrie trade could be good for both teams. Obvious risks on both sides. I selfishly was hoping the Celtics wouldn't have to give up that much since Kyrie pretty much demanded a trade. But the package was certainly substantial. I like it, just hope that last Brooklyn pick doesn't turn into a generational player. The Lakers pick could end up being better anyway, the lottery and draft itself is a crapshoot.

As for Fister, he has pitched a couple good games this year against the Indians. Obviously he was great last night, but I still won't feel comfortable when he takes the hill against the Yankees next or anytime thereafter. But it looks like he'll be the 5th starter the rest of the way. Price is still nowhere close to coming back and at this point I wouldn't expect anything more than a relief role for him if he comes back for the playoffs. Far from a certainty though, but he's running out of time to build back up the arm strength to be a starter for the stretch run for sure.

[JAEBALL]

Wrong sport.... but you C fans like the trade?

I did a double take when I woke up and saw Fister throws 1 hitter...

I think the Kyrie trade could be good for both teams. Obvious risks on both sides. I selfishly was hoping the Celtics wouldn't have to give up that much since Kyrie pretty much demanded a trade. But the package was certainly substantial. I like it, just hope that last Brooklyn pick doesn't turn into a generational player. The Lakers pick could end up being better anyway, the lottery and draft itself is a crapshoot.

As for Fister, he has pitched a couple good games this year against the Indians. Obviously he was great last night, but I still won't feel comfortable when he takes the hill against the Yankees next or anytime thereafter. But it looks like he'll be the 5th starter the rest of the way. Price is still nowhere close to coming back and at this point I wouldn't expect anything more than a relief role for him if he comes back for the playoffs. Far from a certainty though, but he's running out of time to build back up the arm strength to be a starter for the stretch run for sure.

Yeah considering they had to trade Kyrie, they did very well to get back an all star and what could be a TOP draft pick. Like it for both sides...but regardless.. for Cleveland... Lebron is going...

I don't think the Yanks are gunna chase you guys down... those blown games last week were hugeeee... the Devers hH and the 6-3 lead we blew in Boston were gross.


BUT where do I sign for a good ol Yanks- Sox ALCS.... we need one... haha

[pilferk]

Wrong sport.... but you C fans like the trade?

I did a double take when I woke up and saw Fister throws 1 hitter...

I mean..I'm OK with the trade.

I don't think it makes them better. I don't think it makes them worse. I do think KI is easier to build around. And IT is a perfect "piece" for Cleveland, and will fit in much better with Lebrons style (however long he's there for).

[pilferk]

Yeah considering they had to trade Kyrie, they did very well to get back an all star and what could be a TOP draft pick. Like it for both sides...but regardless.. for Cleveland... Lebron is going...

I don't think the Yanks are gunna chase you guys down... those blown games last week were hugeeee... the Devers hH and the 6-3 lead we blew in Boston were gross.


BUT where do I sign for a good ol Yanks- Sox ALCS.... we need one... haha

It would take an EPIC Sox meltdown (or a sudden Judge resurgance of epic proportions) for the Yanks to make up those 4 loses in 38 games.  It's possible....but I just don't think they are built to do it.  Their youngsters have regressed some, their rotation is...shaky? (and that's being kind) and the back end of their bullpen (*cough* Chapman *cough*) has not been the juggernaut it was supposed to be.

That being said: I didn't expect them to do SHIT this year.....so they are far exceeding my expectations. They have a 4 loss lead for the first wild card, and I think they can probably manage to hold on to that. Realistically, that's better than I thought they'd do, so....I'm good.

NEXT year.....NEXT year I have expectations.