2017 Baseball Season/Off Season Discussion

[pilferk]

Yanks pulled off a pretty good trade.  They've got 2 ELITE bullpen pitchers and a serviceable 1st/3rd basement for Clippard (who has been terrible since June 1st), a VERY green, highly rated prospect who plays a loggerjam position for the yanks (they have a ton of outfield prospects), and 2 guys unlikely to make big MLB impacts any time soon (if ever).

If the Yanks can get their bullpen right, they should be back on track to having a decent season.

Still fun to watch...though almost as much frustration as fun, lately.  And it's all been from the 2 guys who were SUPPOSED to be automatic (Betances and Chapman).  You gotta wonder if something is going on with Chapman...but if it is, Robertson can step right into the closer role.

[JAEBALL]

Always loved Robertson ... hard to knock this move...


Everything you said is accurate.

[TheBaconman]

Awesome.  Early moves drives up trade value

kC
Evil Yankees
Bo sox

Who wants..... 

Mvps.  Young stud starting pitchers, veterans

Take them all please

[tim_m]

Just had to come and quickly say Sevarino is dealing tonight.

[pilferk]

Just had to come and quickly say Sevarino is dealing tonight.

101.2...fastest pitch thrown by a starter in MLB this year.

[tim_m]

Just had to come and quickly say Sevarino is dealing tonight.

101.2...fastest pitch thrown by a starter in MLB this year.

Just wish Chapman could've preserved the shutout.

[tim_m]

Did you just see where Judge hit that ball Pilf? 

[pilferk]

Did you just see where Judge hit that ball Pilf? 

Yup. I'm still not sure its landed yet....

[tim_m]

Did you just see where Judge hit that ball Pilf? 

Yup. I'm still not sure its landed yet....

If the roof were open it might've left Safeco.

[pilferk]

Well...it looks like the level of Jays talk will decline sharply.

[pilferk]

Price had MRI on pitching elbow. Rumor is he's done for this season...and, as we know, if TJ surgery is needed...most of next.

We'll see if the rumors are true.  Up til now...thought was just tendonitis/strain.

[tim_m]

Tanaka dealing in the Bronx tonight.

[tim_m]

Gardner with the walk off in 2 of the last 3.

[JAEBALL]

Gardner with the walk off in 2 of the last 3.

I am nervous about the package we might be giving up for Sonny Gray... I just don't think he's that good... he's under control for two more years, so that's the real appeal.

I wanted to take Verlander off of Detroit's hands... assume the money and not have to give up any pieces.

[pilferk]

I am nervous about the package we might be giving up for Sonny Gray... I just don't think he's that good... he's under control for two more years, so that's the real appeal.

I wanted to take Verlander off of Detroit's hands... assume the money and not have to give up any pieces.

Gray is a decent #3, with a notable injury history. His upside is he is under team control til 2020...and since CC, Pinaeda, and potentially Tanaka (no way he opts out, but it's possible) could all be gone at the end of this year, it's a cheap, long term, solution to rotation questions not just this year, but next.

But they are buying high, by trying to do this deal in season.  I don't think he's enough of a difference maker to sway the Yanks chances at a WS title this year, either way.  He's essentially replacing Pinaeda in the rotation, and while he's an upgrade over him, he's not THAT much of an upgrade (about a half a point in WAR).

I'm with you, by the way. Cash should not overpay for him.  A's seem to want Mateo AND Florial, plus 2 more top 40 prospects.  That's too rich for my blood.  Either/or, and we're in business.

We'll see.  If they really want him, they could go get him this winter and probably pay a LOT less.

[JAEBALL]

I am nervous about the package we might be giving up for Sonny Gray... I just don't think he's that good... he's under control for two more years, so that's the real appeal.

I wanted to take Verlander off of Detroit's hands... assume the money and not have to give up any pieces.

Gray is a decent #3, with a notable injury history. His upside is he is under team control til 2020...and since CC, Pinaeda, and potentially Tanaka (no way he opts out, but it's possible) could all be gone at the end of this year, it's a cheap, long term, solution to rotation questions not just this year, but next.

But they are buying high, by trying to do this deal in season.  I don't think he's enough of a difference maker to sway the Yanks chances at a WS title this year, either way.  He's essentially replacing Pinaeda in the rotation, and while he's an upgrade over him, he's not THAT much of an upgrade (about a half a point in WAR).

I'm with you, by the way. Cash should not overpay for him.  A's seem to want Mateo AND Florial, plus 2 more top 40 prospects.  That's too rich for my blood.  Either/or, and we're in business.

We'll see.  If they really want him, they could go get him this winter and probably pay a LOT less.

I am not unhappy with what we gave up... two guys who are out for a long time... and Mateo... lets face it... with Didi and Torres... you knew eventually he was a goner if the right deal came along.

So I am happy with it considering Gray is under control for two more years... and they needed to fill holes in that rotation now and for next year.

[pilferk]

I am nervous about the package we might be giving up for Sonny Gray... I just don't think he's that good... he's under control for two more years, so that's the real appeal.

I wanted to take Verlander off of Detroit's hands... assume the money and not have to give up any pieces.

Gray is a decent #3, with a notable injury history. His upside is he is under team control til 2020...and since CC, Pinaeda, and potentially Tanaka (no way he opts out, but it's possible) could all be gone at the end of this year, it's a cheap, long term, solution to rotation questions not just this year, but next.

But they are buying high, by trying to do this deal in season.  I don't think he's enough of a difference maker to sway the Yanks chances at a WS title this year, either way.  He's essentially replacing Pinaeda in the rotation, and while he's an upgrade over him, he's not THAT much of an upgrade (about a half a point in WAR).

I'm with you, by the way. Cash should not overpay for him.  A's seem to want Mateo AND Florial, plus 2 more top 40 prospects.  That's too rich for my blood.  Either/or, and we're in business.

We'll see.  If they really want him, they could go get him this winter and probably pay a LOT less.

I am not unhappy with what we gave up... two guys who are out for a long time... and Mateo... lets face it... with Didi and Torres... you knew eventually he was a goner if the right deal came along.

So I am happy with it considering Gray is under control for two more years... and they needed to fill holes in that rotation now and for next year.

No, me either. Great deal, imho, for the yanks. Like...cash used jedi mind tricks great.

Mateo will actually, probably, end up in the of, not if. I think, most recently, he was projecting to ge center fielder.

[faldor]

Price had MRI on pitching elbow. Rumor is he's done for this season...and, as we know, if TJ surgery is needed...most of next.

We'll see if the rumors are true.  Up til now...thought was just tendonitis/strain.

He says he'll be back soon. Doesn't sound too serious.

[tim_m]

Man gutsy 5 innings for Severino tonight without his best stuff.

[pilferk]

He says he'll be back soon. Doesn't sound too serious.

Just FYI:

He said the same thing, via SM, shortly after they found the UCL tear/strain/whatever it really is, back in March-ish.  He was super optimistic he'd be back quickly.

It took him all of spring training, and most of the month of May (so about 12 weeks) to recover from it.  And about 7 weeks later, it's back again.

I know they're saying it's "less severe" than in spring training, but I wouldn't take his word for it or the Sox word for it (who, while saying it's less severe, also wouldn't rule out losing him for the season in the next breath), all things considered.

It's definitely not a complete tear...it doesn't look like he's going to opt for surgery...so that's better than originally expected.  BUT....lets see how long until they clear him to actually pitch.