Pitman and Axl falling out - Lawsuit

[sharkswithlasers]

 http://www.tmz.com/2016/09/13/axl-rose-lawsuit-guns-n-roses-engineer-unpaid-wages/ 

Sad.  Pitman was a big part of last 2 decades.  Pitman referred to only as "loyal engineer". 

  9/13/2016 1:30 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

EXCLUSIVE

0913_axl-rose_tmzAxl Rose and Guns N' Roses are raking in the dough these days, but Axl's way behind on paying the loyal engineer who stuck with the band in the lean years ... according to a lawsuit the guy just filed.

Axl cried poverty back in 2011 -- long before this year's hugely successful reunion tour -- and promised to pay Chris Pitman for services rendered ... down the road when he was more flush ... according to the docs.

Pitman says Axl wrote him a promissory note for the $125,000 he was owed for more than a year's worth of work. In the suit, he says that amount was supposed to be paid by Oct. 2012 -- but Axl never bucked up, and he's been radio silent ever since.

It's interesting, GNR has reportedly grossed more than $100 million already off its reunion -- so, you gotta figure Pitman ain't gonna buy the poor Axl routine now.

He says Axl now owes him more than $163k, due to interest.

[TheBaconman]

I really want to know what went on here

[Ali]

I really want to know what went on here

Why?

How does that change anything for us as fans?

It's entirely possible that there will be a settlement with a NDA signed and we'll never know.

Ali

[jarmo]

Unfortunate, but not the first time Axl gets sued. Remember the Riad lawsuit?



/jarmo

[Voodoochild]

Hum, so he stayed with the band after 2012 even tho Axl owed him money? How does that works?

Anyways, I think this could easily be settled down off the court. Not that much money in the context.

Remember the Riad lawsuit?

Yep. The song is still in its full on Chinese Democracy (like digital copies and stuff) and has no mention of the other guys who did that intro as far as I know.

[GypsySoul]

Unfortunate, but not the first time Axl gets sued. Remember the Riad lawsuit?


/jarmo

For those who don't remember, here's the thread:
GNR sued for plagiarism
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=57776.msg1205883#msg1205883


http://www.mtv.com/news/1623293/guns-n-roses-vigorously-contest-plagiarism-lawsuit/

According to Azoff, the snippets of ambient noise that open the song "Riad N' the Bedouins" ? which the $1 million lawsuit claims are taken without permission from Schnauss' compositions "Wherever You Are" and "A Strangely Isolated Place" ? were "provided by a member of the album's production team who has assured us that these few seconds of sound were obtained legitimately."

lol

If Chris Pitman did that I guess he will have to work pro bono on the next tour 

It sounds strictly the same to me...

So if Chris cost GNR a million for plagiarizing part of Riah but they do actually still owe him the $163K for engineering duties or whatever then by my calculation, Chris owes GNR $837K. 

Hey Chris, Axl will take a cashier check. 

[JustWckd]

Axl should sue Pitman for being useless during his tenure as a "member" of GNR

[JustWckd]

And he was all bitter about not being included in the reunion.  So this sounds like a cheap money grab

[Ali]

And he was all bitter about not being included in the reunion.  So this sounds like a cheap money grab

Maybe he was bitter about not getting more money despite the bigger payday from Slash & Duff coming back?

Either way, he bitched about it publicly, then was let go.  Not a smart move as he lost out on a steady paycheck for the next couple of years.

Ali

[TheBaconman]

I really want to know what went on here

Why?

How does that change anything for us as fans?

It's entirely possible that there will be a settlement with a NDA signed and we'll never know.

Ali

What dos changing anything have to do with anything ?

I want to know why he left/got fired.  I want to hear more about why He says Axl owes him money.  I want to know more about went on behind the scenes for the past 10 years.  I want to har stories about the receding of the album CD


There was zero mention why chore isn't in the band any more.  Then we get someone replacing him

What about all those stupid ghost pictures from the recording studios last year?

Nothing has to change to find out more info from your fav band

Why are you painting here?  It doesn't change anything?

Why do fans call into talk shows to talk about there fav sports teams?   It doesn't change anything?? 

[TheBaconman]

And he was all bitter about not being included in the reunion.  So this sounds like a cheap money grab

Maybe he was bitter about not getting more money despite the bigger payday from Slash & Duff coming back?

Either way, he bitched about it publicly, then was let go.  Not a smart move as he lost out on a steady paycheck for the next couple of years.

Ali

Perhaps he is actually owed money.....   He did say he has a promissory note from Axl.  That's pretty cut and dry.  Either he has a note and is owed money.  Or he doesn't

[Ali]

I really want to know what went on here

Why?

How does that change anything for us as fans?

It's entirely possible that there will be a settlement with a NDA signed and we'll never know.

Ali

What dos changing anything have to do with anything ?

I want to know why he left/got fired.  I want to hear more about why He says Axl owes him money.  I want to know more about went on behind the scenes for the past 10 years.  I want to har stories about the receding of the album CD


There was zero mention why chore isn't in the band any more.  Then we get someone replacing him

What about all those stupid ghost pictures from the recording studios last year?

Nothing has to change to find out more info from your fav band

Why are you painting here?  It doesn't change anything?

Why do fans call into talk shows to talk about there fav sports teams?   It doesn't change anything?? 

Posting here and wanting to know details about the inner workings and business affairs of the band are not the same thing.

Ali

[Ali]

And he was all bitter about not being included in the reunion.  So this sounds like a cheap money grab

Maybe he was bitter about not getting more money despite the bigger payday from Slash & Duff coming back?

Either way, he bitched about it publicly, then was let go.  Not a smart move as he lost out on a steady paycheck for the next couple of years.

Ali

Perhaps he is actually owed money.....   He did say he has a promissory note from Axl.  That's pretty cut and dry.  Either he has a note and is owed money.  Or he doesn't

Never brought up the issue of whether or not he is actually owed money. Although, if he is actually the one who opened the band up to the Riad lawsuit, the situation may not be as cut and dry as you suggested. The interesting thing to me is the timing. Coincidentally, right after the Billboard Box Scores come out.

Ali

[Voodoochild]

The interesting thing to me is the timing. Coincidentally, right after the Billboard Box Scores come out.

We don't know when was the lawsuit filled. But yeah, probably not coincidetally.

[dont_damn_me]

I really want to know what went on here

Why?

How does that change anything for us as fans?

It's entirely possible that there will be a settlement with a NDA signed and we'll never know.

Ali

What dos changing anything have to do with anything ?

I want to know why he left/got fired.  I want to hear more about why He says Axl owes him money.  I want to know more about went on behind the scenes for the past 10 years.  I want to har stories about the receding of the album CD


There was zero mention why chore isn't in the band any more.  Then we get someone replacing him

What about all those stupid ghost pictures from the recording studios last year?

Nothing has to change to find out more info from your fav band

Why are you painting here?  It doesn't change anything?

Why do fans call into talk shows to talk about there fav sports teams?   It doesn't change anything?? 

Posting here and wanting to know details about the inner workings and business affairs of the band are not the same thing.

Ali

Thebaconman man is right and makes excellent points.  Why not discuss inner workings and business?
Beats talking about the ac/dc tour Ali.
Baconman raises some great questions.

[Ali]

I really want to know what went on here

Why?

How does that change anything for us as fans?

It's entirely possible that there will be a settlement with a NDA signed and we'll never know.

Ali

What dos changing anything have to do with anything ?

I want to know why he left/got fired.  I want to hear more about why He says Axl owes him money.  I want to know more about went on behind the scenes for the past 10 years.  I want to har stories about the receding of the album CD


There was zero mention why chore isn't in the band any more.  Then we get someone replacing him

What about all those stupid ghost pictures from the recording studios last year?

Nothing has to change to find out more info from your fav band

Why are you painting here?  It doesn't change anything?

Why do fans call into talk shows to talk about there fav sports teams?   It doesn't change anything?? 

Posting here and wanting to know details about the inner workings and business affairs of the band are not the same thing.

Ali

Thebaconman man is right and makes excellent points.  Why not discuss inner workings and business?
Beats talking about the ac/dc tour Ali.
Baconman raises some great questions.

Because it's not why any of us became fans to begin with. Because wanting to know something isn't the same as being entitled to know it.

Ali

[dont_damn_me]

Whatever Ali....honestley dude Iv heard that for so fuckin long." feeling entiltled" to blah blah blah....sorry bud if you sign to a major label then dont be surprised if your fans want to know all about your band and the gossip that surrounds it. What does talking about the questions baconman brought up have to do with feeling entitled to anything? I dont get what your upset about such a reasonable and logical curiosity on this area of GnR?
I bet if GnR announced a new album then this thread would die real fast, so until theres something else worth disussing, i see no prob in talking about such gossip...n neither should you.

[dont_damn_me]

I really want to know what went on here

Why?

How does that change anything for us as fans?

It's entirely possible that there will be a settlement with a NDA signed and we'll never know.

Ali

What dos changing anything have to do with anything ?

I want to know why he left/got fired.  I want to hear more about why He says Axl owes him money.  I want to know more about went on behind the scenes for the past 10 years.  I want to har stories about the receding of the album CD


There was zero mention why chore isn't in the band any more.  Then we get someone replacing him

What about all those stupid ghost pictures from the recording studios last year?

Nothing has to change to find out more info from your fav band

Why are you painting here?  It doesn't change anything?

Why do fans call into talk shows to talk about there fav sports teams?   It doesn't change anything?? 

Posting here and wanting to know details about the inner workings and business affairs of the band are not the same thing.

Ali

Thebaconman man is right and makes excellent points.  Why not discuss inner workings and business?
Beats talking about the ac/dc tour Ali.
Baconman raises some great questions.

Because it's not why any of us became fans to begin with. Because wanting to know something isn't the same as being entitled to know it.

Ali

We became fans to begin with because we loved the music and supported he band thru thick n thin....not our choice we're discussing Pitman getting ripped off instead of a new song or album!!

[reayj2003]

Would Axl seriously need to write an IOU??

Obviously he's making more money now- but did he really fall on hard times??

[LIGuns]

Chinese Democracy Wiki leaks- the Chris Pitman story!!