Slash makes everything better.

[EmilyGNR]

The tempo has been a huge concern for me, especially on the ballads (NR and Estranged)

It takes away these song's emotions, especially on the solos... Take the NR's first solo for example. The notes need to "breath" between one another if you know what I mean. With the faster tempo, the solo feels rushed, so does the song.

And on the faster songs, the faster tempo takes away the "swag". It also feels rushed and too punky to my taste

A slower tempo would also help Axl IMO, since his out of breath problem has been a huge concern these past years

I'm quite sure they are playing the songs at a tempo the actual band is in agreement on, if not it would have been remedied after the first show.

Lol at all these would be amateur  musical arrangers and hobby drummers that climb out of the woodwork to critique GNRs and the tempo(s) they have obviously chosen and rehearsed. 

[D-GenerationX]

Lol at all these would be amateur  musical arrangers and hobby drummers that climb out of the woodwork to critique GNRs and the tempo(s) they have obviously chosen and rehearsed. 

Do.....they have ears?

Because all I've seen is stuff discussed that can be conformed by anyone with ears.

Why do you treat so many general observations about events as threats, demands, or both?

The songs are a little quick.  That's all.  No one's taken a hostage.

[ice cream sand pig]

love the sig dx.

i think gnr also has ears, and agree that the tempo must be intentional.

[Voodoochild]

Of course it is intentional. Probably to get a sense of urgency and adrenaline.

When the new band played live for the first time in 2001, they also used a faster tempo - at least compared to the Illusion era. I noticed it more in It's So Easy, WTTJ and Nightrain.

Maybe it's more noticable now because DTJ is "new" and because we are used to listen to Slash playing those songs in a slower tempo.

[McKenzie]

I remember from Tokyo 2012 Axl's IEM bootleg, they're using a click to keep the songs tempo the same intended. I don't know if they're using it now, and I don't know if Slash used to have it in his bands.

[Bazfreak]

I thought I was the only one who noticed they are kinda playing in a faster tempo! I noticed it more in the Mexico concerts...for instance  .Slash solo shows he always plays the songs in a faster tempo than the original recordings, even his own songs.  Maybe is his influence? Axl definitely agrreed on it anyway.

Coma was faster one Mexico night and for me thats bad. Real bad...this song is dark and its slower tempo is a must! (a fan and not pro musician standpoint ok?)

[EmilyGNR]

Lol at all these would be amateur  musical arrangers and hobby drummers that climb out of the woodwork to critique GNRs and the tempo(s) they have obviously chosen and rehearsed. 

Do.....they have ears?

Because all I've seen is stuff discussed that can be conformed by anyone with ears.

Why do you treat so many general observations about events as threats, demands, or both?

The songs are a little quick.  That's all.  No one's taken a hostage.

Your little perceptions, as usual- are off.

Big difference in a general observation and a negative critique about the songs "being played too fast" but you are probably drawn to negativity given your posting history.

The tempo is intentional, apparently it is approved by members of the band, so the wannabe music directors can get over that.

I hardly think Frank has taken everyone hostage and is playing a tempo of his own choosing, regardless of what the others think- that is a silly premise.

[D-GenerationX]

Big difference in a general observation and a negative critique about the songs "being played too fast" but you are probably drawn to negativity given your posting history.

The songs are a bit quick.  This is not up for debate.  A comparison to past tours, which takes all of 30 seconds, confirms this.

However, as it pertains to you, this is one of two things :

1) You also recognize they are a bit quick.  But, as usual, find verbalizing that stone cold fact of life to be treasonous and seditious behavior no "real fan" would engage in.  That's a bit weird.

2) You dispute the songs are a bit quicker than they have been.  That's just straight up denial.  Given how "amazing" you assured us Axl sounded in 2012, this is probably our better bet.

But where a general observation differs from a critique is when a person (like me) says that the 4/9/16 Las Vegas show is the best show in years and that person (again...me) says he's been listening to it non-stop.

They are a bit quick.  It's not the end of the world.  But it's there.  That's just life in the big city. 

[Factory Girl]

Unless you became a GNR fan because of CD, I can't really understand someone who's not happy with Slash's and Duff's return. For me, Slash and Duff returning is the return of GNR, the guys who made all that records that we love, so it's not even a matter of discussion. I would love to have Izzy, but I won't even start on that one. Besides, I'm really happy with what we have right now.

Doesn't matter to me that Buckethead, for example, is technically a better guitar player. That's not the vibe of the band to me. Never was, never will be, quite the opposite actualy. IMHO five Bucketheads doesn't worth one Slash. And I'm not being disrespectful to him, his work or anyone who's a fan, it's just that he doesn't belong and it has nothing to do with the music I love and the reasons why I became a fan many decades ago. But that's just my opinion.

This! Great post. I couldn't agree more 

^ people that can say such things, and people that say bucket doesn't play with feeling/soul...

i have to guess that you've never listened to buckets electric tears album in full.

There's no right or wrong, my friend.
It's just a matter of taste.

[D-GenerationX]

love the sig dx.

Of all the songs tonight, that's the one I want to have a decent video of that I can throw on my FaceBook page ASAP.

I think it 's going to be awesome.

[EmilyGNR]

Big difference in a general observation and a negative critique about the songs "being played too fast" but you are probably drawn to negativity given your posting history.

The songs are a bit quick.  This is not up for debate.  A comparison to past tours, which takes all of 30 seconds, confirms this.

However, as it pertains to you, this is one of two things :

1) You also recognize they are a bit quick.  But, as usual, find verbalizing that stone cold fact of life to be treasonous and seditious behavior no "real fan" would engage in.  That's a bit weird.

2) You dispute the songs are a bit quicker than they have been.  That's just straight up denial.  Given how "amazing" you assured us Axl sounded in 2012, this is probably our better bet.

But where a general observation differs from a critique is when a person (like me) says that the 4/9/16 Las Vegas show is the best show in years and that person (again...me) says he's been listening to it non-stop.

They are a bit quick.  It's not the end of the world.  But it's there.  That's just life in the big city. 

None of those 3 little choices at all.

The tempo is a bit faster on some of the songs than the studio versions, but so what? If you want to hear the studio versions play the damn record and don't go to shows.

The "faster tempo" claim is being used by some "fans" to take shots at Frank, when it is clearly intentional the band has determined to play at these tempos.

The faster tempo of some songs is a non-issue, GNR still sounds great so I don't really understand why some take issue or state their "supposed concern" about the tempo.

[D-GenerationX]

The only one I think it doens't really work is 'Rocket Queen'.  That's a groove song that could use a little move groove.

But this band has played all of 5 shows together.  They'll figure it out.

[Bazfreak]

I dont want to sound like a negative guy but take Dont Cry for instance.... fast tempo makes it sound a cheesy ballad imo...c'mon guys you can do it right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZuE0w4B-E

EDIT: After listening to Axl on ACDC rehearsals...listening to this makes me wonder...why no rasp in GNR Axl??? He definitely can do it!

[EmilyGNR]

I dont want to sound like a negative guy but take Dont Cry for instance.... fast tempo makes it sound a cheesy ballad imo...c'mon guys you can do it right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZuE0w4B-E

EDIT: After listening to Axl on ACDC rehearsals...listening to this makes me wonder...why no rasp in GNR Axl??? He definitely can do it!

The band that wrote said song is definitely playing it "right".

If you want the album version, play the album. 

[EmilyGNR]

The only one I think it doens't really work is 'Rocket Queen'.  That's a groove song that could use a little move groove.

But this band has played all of 5 shows together.  They'll figure it out.

Opinions vary, I think they have it "figured out" already.

[ice cream sand pig]

Unless you became a GNR fan because of CD, I can't really understand someone who's not happy with Slash's and Duff's return. For me, Slash and Duff returning is the return of GNR, the guys who made all that records that we love, so it's not even a matter of discussion. I would love to have Izzy, but I won't even start on that one. Besides, I'm really happy with what we have right now.

Doesn't matter to me that Buckethead, for example, is technically a better guitar player. That's not the vibe of the band to me. Never was, never will be, quite the opposite actualy. IMHO five Bucketheads doesn't worth one Slash. And I'm not being disrespectful to him, his work or anyone who's a fan, it's just that he doesn't belong and it has nothing to do with the music I love and the reasons why I became a fan many decades ago. But that's just my opinion.

This! Great post. I couldn't agree more 

^ people that can say such things, and people that say bucket doesn't play with feeling/soul...

i have to guess that you've never listened to buckets electric tears album in full.

There's no right or wrong, my friend.
It's just a matter of taste.

i get that. but i really do recommend the album to those that haven't heard it. you will see that bucket is more than just technique.

love the sig dx.

Of all the songs tonight, that's the one I want to have a decent video of that I can throw on my FaceBook page ASAP.

I think it 's going to be awesome.

looks like you got your wish!

[Cocaine__tongue]

Been reading the forum the last couple of years in a passive way.... (Thanks Jarmo and company for keeping up with your passion!).

I really appreciated the "new gnr" era (saw them in madrid 2006, bilbao 2006 and san sebastian 2010). I am grateful for Axl and the rest of the often sadly called "hired guns" for keeping up the goods. I truly believe cd is a masterpiece I'll never get tired of listening to...but I simply can't believe some of the things that are coming up these days:

- slash: who can really critizise his takes or solos in the cd song?? They are amazing. They move, they're emotive. It's fucking Slash, common. Just his presence should be enough.

- Dj Ashba:  he has been a down to earth feel good presence and member. Great playing. And now he is being critized for just saying that Axl wanted him in the reunion?? DJ, bumble, robin, bucket...we should all be grateful for their services and dedication. Sure, they all got well paid for those services, but as we say in Spain "de bien nacido es ser bien agradecido"!

[Bazfreak]

I dont want to sound like a negative guy but take Dont Cry for instance.... fast tempo makes it sound a cheesy ballad imo...c'mon guys you can do it right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZuE0w4B-E

EDIT: After listening to Axl on ACDC rehearsals...listening to this makes me wonder...why no rasp in GNR Axl??? He definitely can do it!

The band that wrote said song is definitely playing it "right".

If you want the album version, play the album. 

Emily poking others for having a different opinion as usual... 

[jazjme]

A very easy answer for songs being played a bit faster, is to program set lists to make sure they squeeze in every ounce of music they can get without going overtime, and maybe its a bit easier, its not like you turned a 33rpm record into a 45rpm.lol

[ice cream sand pig]

Been reading the forum the last couple of years in a passive way.... (Thanks Jarmo and company for keeping up with your passion!).

I really appreciated the "new gnr" era (saw them in madrid 2006, bilbao 2006 and san sebastian 2010). I am grateful for Axl and the rest of the often sadly called "hired guns" for keeping up the goods. I truly believe cd is a masterpiece I'll never get tired of listening to...but I simply can't believe some of the things that are coming up these days:

- slash: who can really critizise his takes or solos in the cd song?? They are amazing. They move, they're emotive. It's fucking Slash, common. Just his presence should be enough.

- Dj Ashba:  he has been a down to earth feel good presence and member. Great playing. And now he is being critized for just saying that Axl wanted him in the reunion?? DJ, bumble, robin, bucket...we should all be grateful for their services and dedication. Sure, they all got well paid for those services, but as we say in Spain "de bien nacido es ser bien agradecido"!

there hasn't been a guitarist i havent liked yet, including slash. gnr has always been the go to band for some of r and r's best guitar work, imo anyway.