Time to bring Robin back

[chineseblues]

It's hilarious that anyone thinks Robin was not important to the band or should just be forgotten. If he wasn't a great guitarist do you really think Axl would have wanted him to replace slash? 

[Thorned Rose]

I like Robin, but why would anyone want him back in the fold now?

He left Gn'R 2 times.

He's my favorite lead player in NU Gn'R. I like some of the things he worked on in CD. So who cares about any of this shit really?

At the same time, this is also a great time to discuss Nu Gn'R, since that chapter is closed, for good.

It isn't about bashing Nu Gn'R, it is about being able to truly evaluate it, since it is done.

[Sosso]

I don't really like the terms "old" and "new". GN'R will always be GN'R for me.  Like a book with different chapters

[Thorned Rose]

Yeah I've thought about that way of thinking about it, and for me I just can't.

I guess maybe the transition of Gn'R, then everyone leaving besides Axl and Dizzy, it was kinda like a reset or something.

Then the revolving door of guitarists coming in around Axl/Dizzy/Tommy. That just kinda makes it feel like a separate thing for me.

[Voodoochild]

In my book, it's always GNR. I jumped a few chapters when Ashba came on board and even closed the book for a while, but here I am, back in this field.

All I am trying to say is that Robin is part of the GNR history, like it or not. And yeah, it is Guns N' Roses history, even more now that Slash and Duff are back and playing Robin's songs.

I like Robin, but why would anyone want him back in the fold now?

Why are you insisting on this? Only one person really wanted him back now.

[Nikki_Sixx]

It's hilarious that anyone thinks Robin was not important to the band or should just be forgotten. If he wasn't a great guitarist do you really think Axl would have wanted him to replace slash? 

Axl did a lot of other stupid things, so why not ...

[Continental_Drift]

I increasingly look at the Chinese-era (1997-2014) as sort of Axl being flung far out onto the high seas as some sort of rock n' roll Odysseus. A fascinatingly strange, epic journey with an elclectic cast of characters along the way (Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Brain, Robin, Dj, etc.)- but still very much part of the "GNR/Axl saga" (to me at least). Anyway- now it feels like (IMHO) Axl's reunited with some of his best warriors (Slash, Duff) from the past and is getting ready to make landfall on Ithaca to reclaim his throne and bride.

As far as Robin specifically goes- always enjoyed his work (most of all on Chinese)- but Richard and Frank are the crewmates (along with Dizzy) from the journey that Axl's seemingly bringing with him- and that's cool with me. 

[Thorned Rose]

In my book, it's always GNR. I jumped a few chapters when Ashba came on board and even closed the book for a while, but here I am, back in this field.

All I am trying to say is that Robin is part of the GNR history, like it or not. And yeah, it is Guns N' Roses history, even more now that Slash and Duff are back and playing Robin's songs.

I like Robin, but why would anyone want him back in the fold now?

Why are you insisting on this? Only one person really wanted him back now.

Because there's always this misplaced uprising and over the top support for Nu Gn'R. Even though the OP started this, and maybe it was troll 101, there's other people here that want this too, and its just a bad idea.

There's always 10 guest to 1 logged in user. More people want this, and it would be a bad idea. It isn't going tohappen so I guess it doesn't matter. So it's whatever.

[Voodoochild]

Because there's always this misplaced uprising and over the top support for Nu Gn'R.

Maybe because there's always those unfair (IMHO) cheap shots at those guys. People keep bringing songwriting credits desconsidering the ASCAP and correct booklet, people keep pointing out how unpopular the guy is when there's clearly people who cares.. There's a lot of reasons for that. Keep in mind, nobody is trying to do the same with Slash, tho I admit there were a lot of this before.

Even though the OP started this, and maybe it was troll 101, there's other people here that want this too, and its just a bad idea.

Yeah, there is the OP and the user rebelhipi. And that's it, they didn't even bothered to show up again. The rest of the thread is just you, D-X and Nikki trying to discredit Robin and me, Sosso and some others replying to that.

There's always 10 guest to 1 logged in user. More people want this, and it would be a bad idea. It isn't going tohappen so I guess it doesn't matter. So it's whatever.

What? So if a guest read the topic he/she suddenly agrees with the OT? How did you come up with this?

[Sosso]

The fact that Slash plays songs written by him could be no greater proof of its importance in GN'R history.

[chineseblues]

The fact that Slash plays songs written by him could be no greater proof of its importance in GN'R history.

It is quite funny that years ago people were saying shit like oh hes only playing slashs riffs etc. Well now slash is playing some of Robins riffs......

[Virolec]

I increasingly look at the Chinese-era (1997-2014) as sort of Axl being flung far out onto the high seas as some sort of rock n' roll Odysseus.

That is brilliant.  An excellent way to imagine it.

Or, he's the rock n' roll C? Chulainn, spending ages fighting single-handed until the Ulaid are ready to fight once more...

[Continental_Drift]

I increasingly look at the Chinese-era (1997-2014) as sort of Axl being flung far out onto the high seas as some sort of rock n' roll Odysseus.

That is brilliant.  An excellent way to imagine it.

Or, he's the rock n' roll C? Chulainn, spending ages fighting single-handed until the Ulaid are ready to fight once more...

Ha! Thanks- and thanks for the C? Chulainn reference! Some interesting reading ahead for me!

[markreed]

No.

Robin was a key part of the band 1997-2007. But no more.

Robin was a great player. Wrote great songs. Had lot of heart and clearly loved the band. But with the band the way it is now, he need not be in the group anymore. Slash is now playing solos he wrote. Can't get any higher a statement of his integral part in the band than *that*

[Thorned Rose]

No.

Robin was a key part of the band 1997-2007. But no more.

Robin was a great player. Wrote great songs. Had lot of heart and clearly loved the band. But with the band the way it is now, he need not be in the group anymore. Slash is now playing solos he wrote. Can't get any higher a statement of his integral part in the band than *that*

Well said.

They no longer need 2 leads to play stuff.

[Sosso]

No.

Robin was a key part of the band 1997-2007. But no more.

Robin was a great player. Wrote great songs. Had lot of heart and clearly loved the band. But with the band the way it is now, he need not be in the group anymore. Slash is now playing solos he wrote. Can't get any higher a statement of his integral part in the band than *that*

Well said.

They no longer need 2 leads to play stuff.

They don't need two lead guitars for the old songs. But there is a need for them on the CD songs.

[Voodoochild]

I was just thinking... It's kinda funny how Robin (and all the other guys, really) were treated in comparison to Slash now. People always demanded them to play the solos exactly like it was in the old albums. I remember clearly when Robin modified the first half of the first solo in November Rain in 2001 and people claimed it was the end of the world. He actually played it like the original solo in 2002 and eventually handed it to Richard in the same year.

I know, I know. Slash IS part of GNR sound, is a guitar hero, he's iconic and yadda yadda. Still, I do think it was unfair. I enjoy when people try new things and make them sounding fresh. It's obviously not always the case. Still, I really don't think people gave some ex-members a fair chance.

They don't need two lead guitars for the old songs. But there is a need for them on the CD songs.

Actually, there's no need for three on CD songs either. There's almost no overlapping leads - I only can remember TWAT's ending, but that wasn't played like that in actual live gigs. The 3 guitar lineup worked for CD the same as it worked for old songs: it could get heavier because there were two rhythm guitars when one of them was playing the solo.

[D-GenerationX]

Robin has a lot of heart and loved the band so much, he quit during the process, only to come back and ultimately bolt before the album came out and never toured behind his own work.

Not sure this is a sterling definition of a team player.

[Voodoochild]

Robin has a lot of heart and loved the band so much, he quit during the process, only to come back and ultimately bolt before the album came out and never toured behind his own work.

Not sure this is a sterling definition of a team player.

Again, unfair. He worked his ass off in the album for nearly a decade, but the only time he got a real tour was in 2006/07. Im not sure you can blame the guy for not staying in a band with that much downtime.

[Thorned Rose]

What can I say?

Slash is playing Robin's stuff now yeah.

At the end the the day Robin will of played more of Slash's things than Slash playing Robin's things. Just think about that.

And yes, for that I can't blame him for leaving. I would of left too.