General "Not In This Lifetime... Tour" thread *1st POST UPDATE NOV 30*

[Spirit]

Why can't it be all about love of the music and love of the GNR brand itself?

Why now all of the sudden then, 20 years later?

Personally I think this wouldn't come together unless Axl and Slash started talking again and worked out their differences. They are friends again.

[Thorned Rose]

lol

I don't know what I'm talking about. Alright. That's pretty great actually.

And yes DX... what I want is everything to be cool and chill. Whatever it takes to get NEW music from the guys and re-releases of older stuff and unrealeased stuff. Whatever it takes to make it all happen ya know. Whatever is best.

What I've said in this thread recently makes a lot of sense... if all the smart ass clowns would just stay at the circus... they know who they are.

[GypsySoul]

Why now all of the sudden then, 20 years later?

Personally I think this wouldn't come together unless Axl and Slash started talking again and worked out their differences. They are friends again.

We'll probably never know why after all these years this rejoining is happening.

My point is that it's probably not an all or nothing thing either.  It could be a combination of reasons...friendship/money/music/brand.  It could be the stars are properly aligned.  It could be a sign of the apocalypse.

 

[Thorned Rose]

It is probably money/time to get back together in general. I guess?

They can make a bunch of money together if they do this properly.

[jarmo]

Lord Henry Mountcharles confirms that there will be no Slane this year

Guns N' Roses, AC/DC and Coldplay fans shouldn't give up all hope, though!

http://www.hotpress.com/Slane/news/Lord-Henry-confirms-that-there-will-be-no-Slane-this-year/16884552.html




/jarmo

[Spirit]

Thanks! Will update..

[EmilyGNR]

Lord Henry Mountcharles confirms that there will be no Slane this year

Guns N' Roses, AC/DC and Coldplay fans shouldn't give up all hope, though!

http://www.hotpress.com/Slane/news/Lord-Henry-confirms-that-there-will-be-no-Slane-this-year/16884552.html




/jarmo

Thanks, shared this

[Voodoochild]

For those interested. Eddie Money said at Mygnr that Axl and Slash met a few times in recent weeks.

There were some people asking him about it and that was his answer

I just can't understand how people trully thought they hadnt met yet.

[tim_m]

For those interested. Eddie Money said at Mygnr that Axl and Slash met a few times in recent weeks.

There were some people asking him about it and that was his answer

I just can't understand how people trully thought they hadnt met yet.

Would be completely ridiculous if they had not. The first show is less than a month away.

[superstarmc]

With the Mexico show sold out so quick I wonder if they will do an all stadium tour in Europe like Illusions.

[JAEBALL]

LoL chill out boys. I never said that is what I thought had happened. That is what I want to happen. And to be honest that would really make things great for the future. It won't happen though.

No reason for Axl to do that. They are like you said hired guns... but it is kinda lame it is viewed by people like that.

It is NOT lame. I take offense to people that think they know why the band broke up.....you were blaming Axl and saying he should apologize....you have no clue what went on but Axl has to apologize? Or, maybe, just maybe, three grown men came to the table, talked, ALL had their say and decided it was time to cash this motherfucker in!

I was just being a prick. However, I do believe 1. Axl ain't giving up the name. 2. I have no clue what their actual deal is but they will all be highly compensated if this Mothership gets off the ground.

Agreed. Axl will always own the name... so in a sense whoever plays in GNR going forward will be to his choosing...

but I think all 3 are cashing in on these ticket sales pretty close to equally.

[Bazfreak]

Personally I think they just agreed to be professional partners again, for the money and also for the fans of course. They dont need to play Frisbee at weekends as long as they respect each other on stage and honor their agreements.

[Thorned Rose]

Yeah technically it will be his choosing... but it shouldn't be.

If I remember... they all started Guns N' Roses as 5 dudes back in the day. The AFD is technically Guns N' Roses. Axl just threw a fucking cry child fest to get the name basically.

I do not in any way respect that he owns the name. Slash and Duff are his = in the name. Not in a legal and technical way of course, but when it comes down to it...

They are.

[D-GenerationX]

Yeah technically it will be his choosing... but it shouldn't be.

If I remember... they all started Guns N' Roses as 5 dudes back in the day. The AFD is technically Guns N' Roses. Axl just threw a fucking cry child fest to get the name basically.

I do not in any way respect that he owns the name. Slash and Duff are his = in the name. Not in a legal and technical way of course, but when it comes down to it...

They are.

And if the two of them were smarter, they'd still have a stake in the name.

[Thorned Rose]

Wrong...

They were both pretty fucked up. Numerous books and sources have stated from various places (besides Axl himself obviously) that he basically wouldn't continue or go on unless they signed.

So they in a poor mental state and with a killer drinking habit and heroin habit did it. They shouldn't of... but it wasn't because they are stupid and wanted to give it away right?

Think about that for minute. Why would they want to sign away the name to the singer? That makes 0 sense. They clearly were foced into it.

[D-GenerationX]

Wrong...

They were both pretty fucked up. Numerous books and sources have stated from various places (besides Axl himself obviously) that he basically wouldn't continue or go on unless they signed.

So they in a poor mental state and with a killer drinking habit and heroin habit did it. They shouldn't of... but it wasn't because they are stupid and wanted to give it away right?

Think about that for minute. Why would they want to sign away the name to the singer? That makes 0 sense. They clearly were foced into it.

Sounds like you need to believe that for your own reasons.

Which, not only doesn't have much application in the real world, it doesn't erase what happened.

They foolishly signed their rights away.  These are grown men, both who had representation.  It's a shame that's how it went down, but it's hard to pity them.

[JAEBALL]

Wrong...

They were both pretty fucked up. Numerous books and sources have stated from various places (besides Axl himself obviously) that he basically wouldn't continue or go on unless they signed.

So they in a poor mental state and with a killer drinking habit and heroin habit did it. They shouldn't of... but it wasn't because they are stupid and wanted to give it away right?

Think about that for minute. Why would they want to sign away the name to the singer? That makes 0 sense. They clearly were foced into it.

Come clean... you can't expect anybody to argue with you about this stuff anymore right?  You are having a laugh?

[Thorned Rose]

LoL...

Just annoying that this is all Axl's call because he was a child about it 20+ years ago. That's all lol

It doesn't really matter though.

[pilferk]

Wrong...

They were both pretty fucked up. Numerous books and sources have stated from various places (besides Axl himself obviously) that he basically wouldn't continue or go on unless they signed.

So they in a poor mental state and with a killer drinking habit and heroin habit did it. They shouldn't of... but it wasn't because they are stupid and wanted to give it away right?

Think about that for minute. Why would they want to sign away the name to the singer? That makes 0 sense. They clearly were foced into it.

Wrong.

Why is it wrong? Because the legal system wouldn't actually work that way, or allow that to happen...and the actual dates and times of contract modification refute it.

If you still believe the "I'm not going on stage unless you give me the rights the the name" story...well, that's 100% on you. It's totally, 100%, demonstrable fiction.  And we've hashed and rehashed why that is ad nauseum in recent years.  You can LOOK AT THE CONTRACT that has been publicaly posted in other places, and the dates it was modified on.  It. Could. Not. Have. Happened.

Also, when executing any type of contract modification, there is a cooling off period that allows the parties to rescind their signatures if they are having second thoughts.  Guess what? Slash and Duff did not back out. It's at least 72 hours, but can be as long as 30 days.

In addition, in the above fictitious scenario...Slash and Duff would have been acting under duress.  All they would have to do is take it to court and it would be overturned in a heartbeat. Note that never happened.  They signed the documents WELL after the "show in question" took place, and they never contested it, or said they were pressured into signing the documents.

They made a bad business decision...thinking (incorrectly) that there was no way that they would ever dissolve the partnership/"fire" Axl/satisfy the terms which would lead to Axl getting the name.  They were wrong. It's that simple.  And then stories were told, scenarios were spun, and justification was invented to try to save face.  Or, maybe they were so screwed up, that's the way they remember it...which is fine, but not right.

If you choose to believe otherwise..that's fine.  And I'm not going to argue the issue any further...but there are reasons why people think you're living in a fantasy world right now. There are DEMONSTRABLE, FACTUAL, ACTUAL things that refute that scenario as not only being plausible, but being at all possible.  You should probably at least know why, if you didn't already.

[D-GenerationX]

All well said, pilferk.

Thorned Rose is hardly the first one to lean on some fiction, coupled with some sort of vague "that's not how it should be" type rationale to explain away how it all went to hell.

But you make that argument NOW??  Both guys are back and happy days are here again.

Who gives a shit what happened in 1995?