Could the reunion spark some back catalog stuff coming in the future?

[GNR4LIFEJD]

If Chinese democracy was done by lets say the UYI lineup would it have softened the blow to general fans under the premise that the album was exactly the same probably. But I still think once it became a different group of guys there were just alot of fans who had no intention of getting behind this new group which is unfortunate because in the end shouldn't it be about the music.

[D-GenerationX]

If Chinese democracy was done by lets say the UYI lineup would it have softened the blow to general fans under the premise that the album was exactly the same probably. But I still think once it became a different group of guys there were just alot of fans who had no intention of getting behind this new group which is unfortunate because in the end shouldn't it be about the music.

Agreed all around.

It may not be the exact same as classic GNR, but people talk as if it was so different that it might as well have been free form jazz.

That's a little much.

[Princess Leia]

If Chinese democracy was done by lets say the UYI lineup would it have softened the blow to general fans under the premise that the album was exactly the same probably. But I still think once it became a different group of guys there were just alot of fans who had no intention of getting behind this new group which is unfortunate because in the end shouldn't it be about the music.

I think CD would?sounded more like Contraband. I just don?t see the UYI line up doing CD exactly the same way

[GNR4LIFEJD]

I'm sure if slash had had his way back in the mid 90s the next album for GNR would have sounded something like slash's snakepits first album as thats what first came out and im sure that didn't help things from a GNR fan base because you probably had a bunch of fans who said oh that would have been the next gnr album and even when the first velvet revolver album came out that just added to it because those albums sounded more along the lines of UYI and then you get ChiDem and the middle of the road GNR fan is completely dissatisfied because of that and animosity towards the new gnr group grows larger.

I mean its crazy when i read the comments by people out there in regards to any gnr news outside of fan boards where people are just killing axl like he is old, fat can't sing anymore.

[D-GenerationX]

I mean its crazy when i read the comments by people out there in regards to any gnr news outside of fan boards where people are just killing axl like he is old, fat can't sing anymore.

Youtube is not his friend on that point.  Or ours, who know some of them are the worst of the worst and not indicative of every performance lately.

I've responded to some friends that have sent me truly bad clips with clips from Vegas 2014, which I thought were awesome.

The real ball buster is how awesome he is on 'Prostitute', which we diehards know is in an incredibly hard song to sing live and how much he killed it that night. But, unfortunately, no one knows the song.

It's very frustrating, I find.

[Princess Leia]

I'm sure if slash had had his way back in the mid 90s the next album for GNR would have sounded something like slash's snakepits first album as thats what first came out and im sure that didn't help things from a GNR fan base because you probably had a bunch of fans who said oh that would have been the next gnr album and even when the first velvet revolver album came out that just added to it because those albums sounded more along the lines of UYI and then you get ChiDem and the middle of the road GNR fan is completely dissatisfied because of that and animosity towards the new gnr group grows larger.

I mean its crazy when i read the comments by people out there in regards to any gnr news outside of fan boards where people are just killing axl like he is old, fat can't sing anymore.

No, you take the CD songs, same lyrics and same notes. If you put the UYI line up to play those songs you get a completly different sound. If on top of that you change some lyrics  a some notes. Then you get a whole other kind of album. Neither Snakepit nor the CD album as we know it.

[14 Yrs Of Silence]

I'm sure if slash had had his way back in the mid 90s the next album for GNR would have sounded something like slash's snakepits first album as thats what first came out and im sure that didn't help things from a GNR fan base because you probably had a bunch of fans who said oh that would have been the next gnr album and even when the first velvet revolver album came out that just added to it because those albums sounded more along the lines of UYI and then you get ChiDem and the middle of the road GNR fan is completely dissatisfied because of that and animosity towards the new gnr group grows larger.

I mean its crazy when i read the comments by people out there in regards to any gnr news outside of fan boards where people are just killing axl like he is old, fat can't sing anymore.

No, you take the CD songs, same lyrics and same notes. If you put the UYI line up to play those songs you get a completly different sound. If on top of that you change some lyrics  a some notes. Then you get a whole other kind of album. Neither Snakepit nor the CD album as we know it.

I think you're missing the point. The hypothetical was meant to demonstrate that if it sounded exactly alike, more fans would have been on board.  I think its understood all around that had UYI lineup played those songs, it would have been different.

[GNR4LIFEJD]

Look how many fans are hooked on the whole if only izzy and steven were involved i mean for gods sakes you got Axl n Slash back together just goes to show in the GNR world there is no comlete satisfaction. I am sure there is a very small contingent that would still like the new guys like tommy, ron or dj still around.

[kyrie]

If Chinese democracy was done by lets say the UYI lineup would it have softened the blow to general fans under the premise that the album was exactly the same probably. But I still think once it became a different group of guys there were just alot of fans who had no intention of getting behind this new group which is unfortunate because in the end shouldn't it be about the music.

Agreed all around.

It may not be the exact same as classic GNR, but people talk as if it was so different that it might as well have been free form jazz.

That's a little much.

If you subtract a couple of songs (Shackler's Revenge, Scraped, Better) it's almost UYI III honestly.

They were already doing the sampling on UYI (Civil War progresses to Madagascar)
There Was A Time, Street of Dreams, This I Love fit in well enough with Estranged and November Rain
Even I.R.S. and If The World aren't so out of place (If The World's vibe has always reminded me of the Flamenco guitar part at the end of Double Talkin' Jive)
CD itself is just a hard rock song, if you take out the intro effects etc. it's not that far off either.

[FootSoldier]

Do you think it is less likely we will ever see more materials from  the ChiDem vault at this point?

[GNR4LIFEJD]

I think you will why sit on so much material doesn't make sense. Worst case scenario after Axl has passed away then i bet anything that was never released will get released barring something in Axls will that says not too.

[sky dog]

Footsoldier, nobody knows what is going to happen to any of that material....the house of cards has come down and the options for using that material are endless. Just because the Chinese Democracy era is over doesn't mean all those ideas and lyrics and riffs are going to be lost. Seriously, think about it....too much hard work went in to those sessions to be buried. The material is recorded, paid for and there. How it is ultimately used is anybody's guess.

[sky dog]

and, for the record, the Gnr back catalog extends from 1985 to 2015...simple fact.

[EmilyGNR]

I'm an unconditional fan- I'm interested in any lineup assembled, and any release from any era.

If I haven't heard it before- it's new.

[GNR4LIFEJD]

If your going to go with any back catalog stuff id love to hear a studio version of crash diet i think that would make just about any gnr fan drool.

[ice cream sand pig]

With GNR, I think there was more resistance to the new line-up than the new sound. 

what new sound? My summary of it all:

Axl: where the fuck is duff and slash

Tommy comes in and is like 'sappening' and axl is like 'dude, sappening' and tommy is like 'sappling' and there was a sappling who grew into a giant weed. tommy started smoking the weed and richard came in, altho from the future, and said 'i am not bumping my nose into that' while looking at the weed. 'i bumped my nose on the door but i am not gonna bump my nose on the weed and just gonna stay on this side here'.

then chris came in but he couldn't say anything cause he wasn't plugged in, so it was dizzy who came in instead. he said 'where the fuck is duff and slash' while looking at the weed, who now seemed to only grow bigger and bigger. meanwhile, axl had created a carusell. it went round and round. when we looked at it go round first came a finch. then a buckethead. then a bumblefoot. then a dj from the 80's.

and then slash and duff came in and looked at both the weed and the carusell. and then we are like 'watnao'.

tldr:

rtb wrecked the record


edit:
the drummer is just a guy that is there

favorite post of all time.

best case scenario: slash and duff smoke the weed!

and thanks for clearing all that up kyrie.

[Voodoochild]

Lots os people here are missing the point that Axl and I suppose Dizzy, Richard, Frank and Pitman are still in the band. Why would they discard all their previous work?

Then again, there's a reason Axl didn't release any new material from that era in all those years since Chinese came out. Not sure what that was, but maybe if he didnt feel confident enough (talking about music only, not about label or legal issues), Slash and Duff could help it to come out eventually with their own ideas and newly written songs in addition.

If your going to go with any back catalog stuff id love to hear a studio version of crash diet i think that would make just about any gnr fan drool.

Axl said already in the online chats that it was just something outside GNR, or something like that. I don't believe it got past the demo.

[GNR4LIFEJD]

Oh I don't think they would do it just purely dreaming because a studio version of it would probably be awesome

[zombux]

With GNR, I think there was more resistance to the new line-up than the new sound.  But I mean that in the sense that the new sound wasn't even given a chance, because so many checked out when they knew everyone but Axl was gone.

correct. if I were in trolling mood, I'd pick some strong track off ChiDem, for example the title track; cropped the unneccessary ambient intro, so it begins right with the guitar riffs; changed ID3 tags to something like "Guns N' Roses - yet unreleased new track with Slash on guitar!" and sent it to GNR "fans". I'm pretty sure they'd piss themselves like an excited dog.

[jameslofton29]

I was talking about the holy grail of GNR recordings 

For some GNR fans, that would be the alt takes or demo versions of the Chinese Democracy songs.

You are clear such a Chinese Democracy mark lol.

Yeah I'm sure it would be for some fans yes. The majority... a large vast majority of the Gn'R fanbase wants 85-96 Gn'R stuff. Point blank period.

To think anything else is just crazy. Sure we want the CD II, and the 98-2014 stuff, but we all want the older stuff first. With the original, first... famous.. legendary band that MADE us all LOVE Guns N' Roses in the first place.

Lets be real here. We all love Guns N' Roses from that first original era. It is safe to say the large majority do anyways.

Nothing wrong with her(or anyone) being a "Chinese Democracy mark".  While I've been a fan since 87 I am in the minority of fans that would take the 2001 version of CD(and of course CD II) over a reunion any day of the week. A reunion is certainly great but there are people still interested in that era of the band.

I'd consider the Beavan sessions to be the "holy grail" and I don't consider myself "crazy" for wanting to hear it.

Has anyone else lost at least a little of their fire to hear the CD II material since Slash and Duff came back?

Not me. If anything, it's increased my desire to hear it. I realize how easy it would be to move on from that material with a reunion underway if they wanted to. I'd like it as close to its original "vision" as possible but at this point I'll take it even if Pee Wee Herman is on it.

Perhaps. But it's still a GN'R record.
So yeah, my level of interest in hearing it hasn't changed.

I'm interested in the sense that I don't really think any more original material is likely to ever come out, but if anything is going to, this is our best bet.

So, in that sense, bring it on.

Yeah I also believe the chances of it being released might have increased just due to the label wanting to capitalize somehow on this buzz. In the least I'd assume a new GH/Best of is in the pipeline for 2016.

I am unfamiliar with Slash and Duff's solo careers

Same here. I have not paid any attention to his past few solo releases. Not a fan of Myles at all. Other than VR the last thing from Slash I bothered with was the one where he had different singers on each track and I was only interested in that for the Cornell track.

Strip it down to the basics...with all the buzz going around now, people are going to be interested if Gnr releases a song. They won't know when it was written, by whom, or likely who the hell is even playing on it. If Axl is singing and they can get Slash and Duff on it, radio stations will be salivating. 

Absolutely. Something can be released and it not even have to be promoted as CD related even if CD era members like Bucket and Finck are still on it.

Did I say that ?

There's nothing wrong with wanting more CD era stuff, so do I.  My point is that, outside of the obsessive msg board crowd, NO ONE ELSE is interested.

Outside of the "obsessive msg board crowd", very few know of its existence. Joe and Jill Blow aren't talking about wanting to hear Soul Monster or Atlas Shrugged.  Give it a release date or throw it on Itunes tomorrow and I can assure you they'll be all over it like flies on shit. You telling me that with this reunion being the big music story of 2016 that no one is going to care if one of those songs come out?

rtb wrecked the record

Absolutely.  A shame.