Slash & Fortus

[sky dog]

How in the hell does ANYBODY think that Better sounds like an old Gnr song.  

It sounds absolutely NOTHING like 87-91 Gnr.

The argument you get it that it's 'guitar heavy'...  Which it is,  but style and tone apparently to some people are not that important. I agree with you it sounds nothing like classic GnR,  but that doesn't mean it's bad,  just different. Some people think that the only way to validate their opinion of the CD tracks is to compare them and grade them against the classic GnR curve.  

2 guitarists and limited effects vs. 3 guitarists (in some cases in the album 5) and a fair amount of effects...  They produce totally different sounds,  and that sound is totally outside of Slash's tone which is why I don't think he is going to be too fired up to play CD...  And if he does,  it is not going to sound like what the CD Era fans are used to and we are going to hear complaints.

Slash's tone is way different and I personally would love to hear what he could do with a handful of songs on Cd. I think he could improve them.

[C0ma]

I am also excited about the potential jams between the 2....2 great lead guitar players is bad ass when they go toe to toe....think Allman Brothers with Duane Allman and Dickey Betts. Wouldn't Rocket Queen sound killer with a 5 minute guitar duel between Fortus and Slash?  

I'm sure this will be different,  but Slash really wasn't a fan of that on Sympathy... Just saying.

[C0ma]

How in the hell does ANYBODY think that Better sounds like an old Gnr song.  

It sounds absolutely NOTHING like 87-91 Gnr.

The argument you get it that it's 'guitar heavy'...  Which it is,  but style and tone apparently to some people are not that important. I agree with you it sounds nothing like classic GnR,  but that doesn't mean it's bad,  just different. Some people think that the only way to validate their opinion of the CD tracks is to compare them and grade them against the classic GnR curve.  

2 guitarists and limited effects vs. 3 guitarists (in some cases in the album 5) and a fair amount of effects...  They produce totally different sounds,  and that sound is totally outside of Slash's tone which is why I don't think he is going to be too fired up to play CD...  And if he does,  it is not going to sound like what the CD Era fans are used to and we are going to hear complaints.

Slash's tone is way different and I personally would love to hear what he could do with a handful of songs on Cd. I think he could improve them.

I would too...  But just as I did years ago the CD fans will complain when Slash takes liberties with songs like I and others did early on with the new lineups. I just don't see them playing more than 2 or 3 live and I think that would be alot.

[gunslipk]

maybe, but GNR still lacks a solo guitar virtuoso, so we can possibly say goodbye to ChiDem songs in their full shape.

I believe those solos are no big deal to Richard, he's pretty virtuoso as well.

[Sickthings3]

How in the hell does ANYBODY think that Better sounds like an old Gnr song.  

It sounds absolutely NOTHING like 87-91 Gnr.

The argument you get it that it's 'guitar heavy'...  Which it is,  but style and tone apparently to some people are not that important. I agree with you it sounds nothing like classic GnR,  but that doesn't mean it's bad,  just different. Some people think that the only way to validate their opinion of the CD tracks is to compare them and grade them against the classic GnR curve.  

2 guitarists and limited effects vs. 3 guitarists (in some cases in the album 5) and a fair amount of effects...  They produce totally different sounds,  and that sound is totally outside of Slash's tone which is why I don't think he is going to be too fired up to play CD...  And if he does,  it is not going to sound like what the CD Era fans are used to and we are going to hear complaints.

Also add to the fact that CD came out in 2008, and granted many if not all the songs were written before then, why would you want those songs to sound like 1988-1991? Another band that I love is Queen and how diverse they are. Hell, just look at A Night at the Opera compared to A Day at the Races and those two were recorded within a year or so of each other. And Axl has stated in many interviews that Queen was his favorite band growing up (with Elton John/Bernie Taupin his favorite singer/songwriter). I don't think Axl wants to have one sound and that's it. I think he has a lot of musical knowledge, skill, ability and all that jazz and he wants to let it all out. Not just stick to one sound. And if the new album sounds nothing like AFD, Lies, UYIs, or CD, I'd be very happy with that as well.

But again, it's just my opinion and I could have taken your statement wrong. Maybe you meant, instead of GnR pulling an AC/DC, no matter how different they are, there's still that GnR feel to them that CD was lacking. I personally disagree with that. But I can see your point since almost all of the song writers on AFD and UYIs were not involved on CD. I dunno. I just know that as long as Guns are doing stuff and gearing up for shows, that makes me a very excited fan and as long as this doesn't implode (I still think it may follow the KISS Reunion model), I'm glad I get to experience watching it all happen.

[COMAMOTIVE]

Not a negative response but real hard to have solid opinion musically on this question
Richard - I'm a big fan of his style and his live sound, but we have nothing to go by except him playing someone else's Gn'r songs

I think it will work well because he's a professional musician but with the cluster-f*ck of guitar sounds live the past several years, I'm just not able to determine if he'll sound any better than Izzy or even Dave Kuschner did with Slash

Hopeful, but hard to say

[zombux]

maybe, but GNR still lacks a solo guitar virtuoso, so we can possibly say goodbye to ChiDem songs in their full shape.

I believe those solos are no big deal to Richard, he's pretty virtuoso as well.

nah, Richard is a very decent rhytm guitarist, can shred and play solos too, but he's just no match for beasts like Buckethead or Bumblefoot.

[Voodoochild]

How in the hell does ANYBODY think that Better sounds like an old Gnr song.  

It sounds absolutely NOTHING like 87-91 Gnr.

The argument you get it that it's 'guitar heavy'...  Which it is,  but style and tone apparently to some people are not that important. I agree with you it sounds nothing like classic GnR,  but that doesn't mean it's bad,  just different. Some people think that the only way to validate their opinion of the CD tracks is to compare them and grade them against the classic GnR curve.  

2 guitarists and limited effects vs. 3 guitarists (in some cases in the album 5) and a fair amount of effects...  They produce totally different sounds,  and that sound is totally outside of Slash's tone which is why I don't think he is going to be too fired up to play CD...  And if he does,  it is not going to sound like what the CD Era fans are used to and we are going to hear complaints.

I get what you're saying, but wasn't the live renditions of CD songs already less "industrial" (not a fan of this defnition, but I'm talking about tone and FX)? I wouldn't mind to hear Slash's own take on CD songs anyways.

[Mr. Nik™]

Well, slash could approach some CD songs, but not all... Better, for example, is a total different style...

[estebanf]

maybe, but GNR still lacks a solo guitar virtuoso, so we can possibly say goodbye to ChiDem songs in their full shape.

Slash could easily play all those solos.

 

Shacklers?  That is NOT his style.

and don't get me wrong.....I love Slash, but different player play different things

Whos gives a damn? I DON'T want to hear Shackler's Revenge on this tour/Coachella

omg who gives a fuck

I do give, and you can find lot's of other GNR fans that do give too.

You need to understand that ChiDem is a GNR album just as AFD is. And that it's as good as any other GNR album. Time to act like a grown up and accept it.

[123191]

Shacklers?  That is NOT his style.

and don't get me wrong.....I love Slash, but different player play different things

Whos gives a damn? I DON'T want to hear Shackler's Revenge on this tour/Coachella

omg who gives a fuck

I have to admit surprise at how many people are ready to go to the mat for the CD songs inclusion.

I would have assumed if Slash and Duff came back, but the price was no more CD tunes being played, 95% of fans would have said...sure, where do I sign?

Having been to the May 31st show of the 2014 Vegas residency where Duff played bass, I can say that the way that he attacked the CD songs was awesome.  Just the way he came out for Chinese Democracy and the way he jumped around during Better was cool to see.  Who is to say that Slash couldn't/wouldn't find a similar enthusiasm?  Better, TWAT, Madagascar, IRS, Street of Dreams, Prostitute could all work.  Would be interesting to see Slash take on This I Love as well.

[zombux]

seriously, how the hell would a blues-rock guitarist as Slash is, play this? https://youtu.be/xzvV4x5nIgE?t=3m30s not talking about this https://youtu.be/nieYFl-N9xI?t=4m20s or like this (for example) https://youtu.be/QWK99RS18JQ?t=3m20s
these guys are a different league. with all respect to Slash.

[Nightrain7]

There is nothing stopping Slash from playing his own versions of the CD songs. No one is going to give a shit ,if someone wanking a guitar trying to put 1000 notes in 10 seconds isnt there.
I doubt CD songs will be played, if they are great, if not so be it. But regardless they will sound more like Guns N' Roses with Slash playing with an updated solo, then BBF and Buckethead in a shred fest.

[sofine11]

Beyond stoked to hear them play together.  Man oh man, is Richard probably happy as a clam that he stuck it out for 14 years.

2016...

[zombux]

well, after all, it doesn't matter too much who's the guitarist. in the end, everything depends on Axl's shape anyway because any of the past, current or possible future GNR guitarists are extremely good players.

[axlvai]

I hope Slash do whatever he fkn wants on stage. All the gigs plays different!! That rocks.

4tus n Slash can be a good mixture. Waitin to see that!

[DexterWRose]

Here's why I think there will be some Chinese Democracy stuff in there:

1. Slash and Duff are back in Guns N' Roses. Regardless of how you feel, Axl owns GNR. They are joining his band. What that means is that they are playing Guns N' Roses songs. If they flat out refuse because "it's not GNR", that means they don't respect what Axl went through putting it out.

2. Axl not only fought way more than any of us could ever imagine to put out Chinese. Think he's just gonna say: "screw it, let's just play the old hits." Not gonna happen. I don't see that being possible.

Oh and to chime in, can't see Slash doing the solos of CD or Shackler's, etc. Not even close to his style. So maybe Fortus takes it. Now I know people don't consider Fortus a "virtuoso" but the man can fucking play.

[rebelhipi]

maybe, but GNR still lacks a solo guitar virtuoso, so we can possibly say goodbye to ChiDem songs in their full shape.

Slash could easily play all those solos.

 

Shacklers?  That is NOT his style.

and don't get me wrong.....I love Slash, but different player play different things

Whos gives a damn? I DON'T want to hear Shackler's Revenge on this tour/Coachella

omg who gives a fuck

I do give, and you can find lot's of other GNR fans that do give too.

You need to understand that ChiDem is a GNR album just as AFD is. And that it's as good as any other GNR album. Time to act like a grown up and accept it.

Well to play Shacklers solo you need a fretless guitar, i dont know if anyone in the band can play fretless guitar.

[draguns]

Here's why I think there will be some Chinese Democracy stuff in there:

1. Slash and Duff are back in Guns N' Roses. Regardless of how you feel, Axl owns GNR. They are joining his band. What that means is that they are playing Guns N' Roses songs. If they flat out refuse because "it's not GNR", that means they don't respect what Axl went through putting it out.

2. Axl not only fought way more than any of us could ever imagine to put out Chinese. Think he's just gonna say: "screw it, let's just play the old hits." Not gonna happen. I don't see that being possible.

Oh and to chime in, can't see Slash doing the solos of CD or Shackler's, etc. Not even close to his style. So maybe Fortus takes it. Now I know people don't consider Fortus a "virtuoso" but the man can fucking play.

Lol at comment 1. C'mon man. Really?! Give me a freaking break. You guys have to stop this crap. Axl, Slash, and Duff most likely have an equal partnership.  Why can't some of just just realize that and move on? We have better things to talk about.

[Randy Jesus]

Would you be surprised if Slash put a KFC Bucket on, and started shredding... We know that he is capable.  But I don't know if he can play a fretless...