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« on: January 07, 2016, 06:27:05 PM »

1992.06.06.Paris.France.[GNROSAS](BD25)
 
this is NOT a normal blu-ray-resolution disc as people would expect reading out of the title.
this is a normal dvd resolution-set (720x576 / 720x480) being put on a single layer blu-ray but with higher video bitrates than
dvd standards do allow.
there is no need for any up-or downconverting when working with vhs capturing through DV format allready working in DVD resolution!
this project has been in the works for many months and at points it seemed we couldn't finalize it! but we did!!
the main idea has been:

fitting the whole ~150min show from the best quality sources available on one single layer disc with high video bitrates and LPCM sound!
 
 
1) "Veronica" TV Channel Introduction
2) Intro
3) It's So Easy
4) Mr. Brownstone
5) Axl Talking #1
6) Live And Let Die
7) Attitude
Cool Bad Obsession
9) Always On The Run
10) Axl Talking #2
11) Double Talkin' Jive + Slash Solo #1
12) Voodoo Chile (Intro) + Civil War
13) Wild Horses
14) Patience
15) Axl Talking #3
16) You Could Be Mine
17) Piano Intro + It's Alright
18) November Rain
19) Band Introduction + Matt Solo
20) Band Jam + Slash Solo #2
21) Blues Jam
22) The Godfather-Theme
23) Sail Away Sweet Sister/Bad Time (Intros)
24) Sweet Child O' Mine
25) Welcome To The Jungle
26) Only Women Bleed (Intro)
27) Knockin' On Heaven's Door
28) Mama Kin
29) Train Kept A Rollin'
30) Don't Cry
31) Slash Talking + Mother (Intro)
32) Paradise City


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size: 22.42 GB
 
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INFO / Sources and Transfers


Video - The Show (151:01min / 13,7gb):
TV ("Veronica TV" June 06, 1992) -> unknown vcr -> dutch PAL VHS Master (mono) [Jarl's brother] -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

some intro mixed in from:
TV ("Premiere" June 06, 1992) -> unknown vcr -> german PPV PAL VHS Master (stereo) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [limulus])
-> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

editing:
Video centering / 4x black border adding / (NO colour editing!) / 2pass encoding @
Maximum: 27850
Average: 13000
Minimum: 11000

result (Bitrate Viewer Version 1.5.054):
Peak: 16546
Average: 12688

Audio (LPCM):
#beginning before the intro: dutch PAL VHS Master (mono) [Jarl's brother]

#main parts: TV ("Premiere" June 06, 1992) -> unknown vcr -> german PPV PAL VHS Master (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [limulus])
-> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> SONY DAT TCD-D7 -> POC-DA12p (optical cable) -> PC/WAV -> dED
+
#Westwood One stereo silvers -> EAC (secure, offset corrected) -> WAV/PC -> dED
[LALD, Always On The Run, Piano Intro/Its Alright, Blues Jam, Godfather-Theme, Don't Cry]
+
#circulating stereo 2DVD-R (JM78) AC3 -> WAV -> dED
[Bad Obsession; DTJ (3/4), Train Kept A Rollin', Outro (last part)]

basically there has never been a complete perfect stereo source circulating from this show.
this stereo VHS source has the best sound overall but also suffers from lots of trouble, the main trouble parts have been edited out by
using the other 2 stereo sources (though the Westwood One being some weak quality, the other one being some lossy).
however the final audio is nice stereo in general but still has lots of small trouble.
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Paris'92 Intros (3:27min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> various PAL VHS-Masters/gen2 (Limulus) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

Audio (LPCM):
TV -> various PAL VHS-Masters/gen2 (Limulus) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (NO Equalizing!!)
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Paris'92 Post-Show (9:15min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

Audio (LPCM):
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (NO Equalizing!!)
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Paris'92-Rehearsals / Interviews (32:35min):
Video:
1Cam MTV PRO (archieves) -> NTSC VHS2 (stereo) (TDK (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [limulus]) -> JVC HR-S3500u (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

Audio (LPCM):
1Cam MTV PRO (archieves) -> NTSC VHS2 (stereo) (TDK (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [limulus]) -> JVC HR-S3500u (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (NO Equalizing!!)

Notes:
- interviews have been crossfaded for getting only the paris'92 related info
- this is the only NTSC vhs source on this blueray, the resolution stays in NTSC 720x480, all the rest is PAL 720x576
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"GN'R & Metallica - Live And Loud" (22:38min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (BASF (Super High Grade) 180 [SP Mode] [limulus] -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

Audio (LPCM):
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (BASF (Super High Grade) 180 [SP Mode] [limulus -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (some hissing on here, NO Equalizing!!)
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"GN'R - Past, Present N' Future" (21:37min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC

Audio (LPCM):
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (some hissing on here, NO Equalizing!!)
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2016, 08:19:52 PM »

The best version i have seen.
Thanks ok
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