Should Axl say something for the "NUGNR" fans...

[adydas78]

... that followed him (and all the members post UYI era), supported him with Chinese Democracy for the past 20 years?? A lot of fans were born at that time and only came to see this GNR incarnation with Tommy, Finck, Fortus, Buckethead, Ron, DJ Ashba beeing in the band more than the "originals" ?

 

OK, I totally don't have time for this non-sense but I've seen it on Facebook and now here too. What is this thing about AXL having to say anything about the new members? Why on earth would he have to explain anything to anyone? Or the other thing I "like" is the thread someone started about being extremely sad because of Tommy is not in the band anymore??? Or another one from FB, one of DJ Ashba's female fans who is saying, quote [So my thoughts on this GNR ?reunion??
I never wanted one. I don?t like Slash.] end of the quote. Really, you don't like Slash, rather prefer another guitar player filling in while we could have the original member? And no disrespect, I actually like DJ Ashba, I think he does a good job with SIXX AM. Or comments from all over the internet like "Oh...if IZZY and Adler is not there than is not a reunion just a cash grab"!!

WTF people? Please don't get suicidal because of a band lineup changes!!! It's just fuckin' rock n roll!! Lineups change!! And there is no band in history that split and people didn't want it to be reunited and see the members who composed those songs play together again! That is normal, the only abnormal thing is that didn't happened fucking sooner!! And every new GNR member should have known that there is a possibility for reunion when they started to play in this band!

And this whole cash grab thing? Would seriously anyone think that any musician should get up there on stage and play for fucking free? So it won't be a cash grab? No one does that, except for starting bands!

And did anyone really think that maybe, just maybe IZZY is not down for a full touring gig? Or that maybe Stevie just can't keep it together for a full tour, no matter how much he wants it? But these details haven't even been announced yet...so who knows, might be guest appearances!


Ok, I could go on and on, but really I need to get back to work, because I don't work for free, I'm a successful business professional who works for money...which probably makes me just a cash grab...because I accept only consulting gigs that meet my hourly fee.

Let's not be drama rocket queens shall we?? Just sit back and enjoy that some of the guys that are responsible for composing the most recognizable anthems in rock history will play together again!

[GypsySoul]

Funny thing, I own 21 GNR T-shirts, collected over the years- not a single one of them says NU-GNR- they ALL say Guns N' Roses!

21?  Wow, then I guess you win. Congrats.

[EmilyGNR]

Funny thing, I own 21 GNR T-shirts, collected over the years- not a single one of them says NU-GNR- they ALL say Guns N' Roses!

21?  Wow, then I guess you win. Congrats.

Some are tattered, some are in frames- some are replacements for the ones I lost or got stolen-  I lost 3 one time when the airline lost my suitcase.

Looking forward to increasing my collection this year 

[C0ma]

Funny thing, I own 21 GNR T-shirts, collected over the years- not a single one of them says NU-GNR- they ALL say Guns N' Roses!

21?  Wow, then I guess you win. Congrats.

Some are tattered, some are in frames- some are replacements for the ones I lost or got stolen-  I lost 3 one time when the airline lost my suitcase.

Looking forward to increasing my collection this year 

It's not a concert shirt, but I had the old GNRONLINE.COM shirt walk off after a party one night at my apartment. That was a cool niche little piece of GnR history from the very dark late 90's.

[LIGuns]

I don?t think that was "natural" at all. Axl called Slash a cancer and wished he had never had him on the band (he was angry? maybe). But what I?m saying is: maybe there?s a lot of fans that prefer the CD era than the old line ups? Axl with the old guys spent 10 years together, with the "nugnr" line ups, 20 years.

I love all lineups of GNR, and grew quite fond of the last incarnation due to their live shows..Out of selfish reasons, I.e. Expected high demand for tickets, O was/am not 100% thrilled with a reunion...Am I excited? Yes, Am I planning on attending as many area shows? Yes! Would I have continued to support the CD lineup? Ab-so-f'ng-lutley!!

[EmilyGNR]

Funny thing, I own 21 GNR T-shirts, collected over the years- not a single one of them says NU-GNR- they ALL say Guns N' Roses!

21?  Wow, then I guess you win. Congrats.

Some are tattered, some are in frames- some are replacements for the ones I lost or got stolen-  I lost 3 one time when the airline lost my suitcase.

Looking forward to increasing my collection this year 

It's not a concert shirt, but I had the old GNRONLINE.COM shirt walk off after a party one night at my apartment. That was a cool niche little piece of GnR history from the very dark late 90's.

I stopped letting people borrow my concert Ts- It's so aggravating when they don't return them. 

[jameslofton29]

I don?t think that was "natural" at all. Axl called Slash a cancer and wished he had never had him on the band (he was angry? maybe). But what I?m saying is: maybe there?s a lot of fans that prefer the CD era than the old line ups? Axl with the old guys spent 10 years together, with the "nugnr" line ups, 20 years.

Get on board or fuck off! Move on. Get over the past. Nobody owes you not one goddamn thing.

You know....that whole song and dance. 

There is only GunsnRoses.  NuGNR was a somewhat derogatory term created by disgruntled fans who wanted Slash back.  Slash is back so let that term go. Axl himself said he was appreciative to all the line ups when he accepted his lifetime achievement award at the Golden Gods. He does not  need to say anything else.

Axl himself referred to them as that.  Fans got bitched at for saying it for years yet when Axl called them that he wasn't bitched at for some reason.

It was just a way to differentiate between the two eras in discussions. I've used the term many times on forums but never saw the reason to in real life. For example, someone asks what your favorite band is, certainly wouldn't say new Guns N Roses.

For the last 15 years all I heard from 'Axl fans' was that it's his band and he doesn't owe you (me) anything... not a show, song, album, setlist, or an explanation... well the same goes now, he doesn't owe CD Era (NuGNR) fans an explanation... 'it is what it is'

EXCELLENT point. 

It isn't rocket medicine  

It's rocket science or brain surgery or NuGNR.
Even Axl never called it rocket medicine.  

In all fairness I think its a play on David Lee Roth's "It aint rocket surgery.." line.

[matty29]

I don?t think that was "natural" at all. Axl called Slash a cancer and wished he had never had him on the band (he was angry? maybe). But what I?m saying is: maybe there?s a lot of fans that prefer the CD era than the old line ups? Axl with the old guys spent 10 years together, with the "nugnr" line ups, 20 years.

I love all lineups of GNR, and grew quite fond of the last incarnation due to their live shows..Out of selfish reasons, I.e. Expected high demand for tickets, O was/am not 100% thrilled with a reunion...Am I excited? Yes, Am I planning on attending as many area shows? Yes! Would I have continued to support the CD lineup? Ab-so-f'ng-lutley!!

That's exactly it.  Afd gnr was the biggest band in the world.  CD gnr wasn't selling out clubs at the end.  So you may love the CD lineup but in reality you are one of the few.   I loved it too but it was a niche act.

[bjd2944]

He kinda already did - "nobody owes you, not one God damn thing..."

I don't understand the sense of entitlement. If you're unhappy with the direction a band is going, you have options - don't see their shows, don't buy their records and merchandise.

Whatever the reasons may be - financial, personal, Axl is entitled to form his band however he sees fit.

Aside from "thank you for supporting Guns N' Roses over the years," what do fans want? Some long, drawn out explanation of the who, what, where, when and how this all happened? Axl doesn't ow that, or anything to anyone.

[EmilyGNR]

I don?t think that was "natural" at all. Axl called Slash a cancer and wished he had never had him on the band (he was angry? maybe). But what I?m saying is: maybe there?s a lot of fans that prefer the CD era than the old line ups? Axl with the old guys spent 10 years together, with the "nugnr" line ups, 20 years.

Get on board or fuck off! Move on. Get over the past. Nobody owes you not one goddamn thing.

You know....that whole song and dance. 

There is only GunsnRoses.  NuGNR was a somewhat derogatory term created by disgruntled fans who wanted Slash back.  Slash is back so let that term go. Axl himself said he was appreciative to all the line ups when he accepted his lifetime achievement award at the Golden Gods. He does not  need to say anything else.

Axl himself referred to them as that.  Fans got bitched at for saying it for years yet when Axl called them that he wasn't bitched at for some reason.

It was just a way to differentiate between the two eras in discussions. I've used the term many times on forums but never saw the reason to in real life. For example, someone asks what your favorite band is, certainly wouldn't say new Guns N Roses.

For the last 15 years all I heard from 'Axl fans' was that it's his band and he doesn't owe you (me) anything... not a show, song, album, setlist, or an explanation... well the same goes now, he doesn't owe CD Era (NuGNR) fans an explanation... 'it is what it is'

EXCELLENT point. 

It isn't rocket medicine  

It's rocket science or brain surgery or NuGNR.
Even Axl never called it rocket medicine.  

In all fairness I think its a play on David Lee Roth's "It aint rocket surgery.." line.

It was, I couldn't remember who said it right offhand- but I intentionally botched the line and went off script.

Here's what Axl said in the 2008 chats about "NuGuns"-

Axl:In regard to nuGuns, I get that sometimes it helps to be able to clarify. Personally I call this Guns and the Illusions or previous lineups old Guns.

[Thorned Rose]

Doesn't matter what he should say... he shoudn't have to say anything.

Any NUGn'R fan more than likely was a OLD Gn'R fan at some point first. So it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, Guns N' Roses will be 86-95. The 00-15 Gn'R was good, but it isn't what any of us really wanted.

[EmilyGNR]

Doesn't matter what he should say... he shoudn't have to say anything.

Any NUGn'R fan more than likely was a OLD Gn'R fan at some point first. So it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day, Guns N' Roses will be 86-95. The 00-15 Gn'R was good, but it isn't what any of us really wanted.

You don't speak for everyone, I have enjoyed every lineup of GNR, and I will enjoy seeing the lineup that shows up at coachella- so you can't say "it's not what any of us wanted".

[hartman]

Afd gnr was the biggest band in the world.  CD gnr wasn't selling out clubs at the end.  So you may love the CD lineup but in reality you are one of the few. I loved it too but it was a niche act.

That's how it is. GNR always tried to be as big as possible, bringing Slash and Duff back is the smartest move done by Axl in two decades.

[Princess Leia]

Yeah he will. Axl is gonna dedicate Double Talkin Jive to all the people who are crying and moaning about DJ Ashba, Robin, CDII etc 

Careful what you wish for, you may have it   

[raindog]

Sounds like many of you followed Axl's vision and peerless integrity like I did and now this feels like selling out a bit. Perhaps you ask yourself why he would choose to prostitute himself to live with fortune and shame.

In all honesty though, for whatever reason it wasn't working was it. We weren't getting albums, tours were growing stale and most crucially Axl Rose, one of the greatest performers of all time, was starting to look like he didn't care anymore.

If these are the people he needs around to be The Axl Rose at this point, I'm glad they're there. Active Axl versus no Axl is a no brainer.

Some clarification on what's happening to the existing unreleased material would be nice along with a 'thanks to the members and supporters of recent lineups' buy it's not going to make or break my day either way. It's certainly not like we were right on the cusp of getting CD2 and 3 and then Slash came along and ruined that. There was no sign of an album. Something was wrong.

[Voodoochild]

I don't think Axl should say something "for the NUGNR fans", but if Eddie Trunk is to be believed, he - and the other members - will hold a press conference at some point. I also believe that the Kimmel interview would be the place to explain some stuff, and it may still happen sometime in the future.

So there you go.

[kupirock]

... that followed him (and all the members post UYI era), supported him with Chinese Democracy for the past 20 years?? A lot of fans were born at that time and only came to see this GNR incarnation with Tommy, Finck, Fortus, Buckethead, Ron, DJ Ashba beeing in the band more than the "originals" ?

 

Why on earth would he have to explain anything to anyone?

Well, it would be nice to know are we ever gonna hear unreleased material from CD -era. Like what happened to the remix album? what happened to the so called part 2 of the Chinese Democracy? Lot of fans supported the "NU-GNR" and have been waiting the new material for ages.

I totally understand that fans like to know about the band that they LOVE, so why most of you are such of assholes for RnT asking nicely stuff like that.

[jarmo]

I know you'll wield the ''he doesn't owe you anything, he doesn't have to explain anything'' but I also know that you would like to know (if you already know it, i'm pretty sure you were feeling like me and lots of others before knowing it) how can a person go from ''There's zero possibility of me having anything to do with Slash other than by ambush, and that wouldn't be pretty" / ''not in this lifetime'' / ''Slash either should not have been in Guns to begin with or should have left after Lies. In a nutshell, personally I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided" to announcing 2 dates in a collosal rock festival including that ''cancer'' dude without any fucking scales.

How is that particularly aimed at these so called "NUGNR fans"?
I'm sure the average rock fan would also be interested in hearing how it all happened. Hell, maybe even Debbie Downer who says nobody cares that they will play together again!

My question stands. What exactly is he now supposed to say to those particular singled out fans?
Many of us are Guns N' Roses fans and we don't really divide ourselves into smaller categories all the time. "I'm a fan of this GN'R, that GN'R, but not that one". No, I'm a fan of GN'R, period.



/jarmo

[Annie]

The only real difference in the lineups is that Slash and Duff have more star power than some of the other talented musicians who were part of GNR over the years.  Things evolve and change.  Exciting times ahead for GNR fans.  No apologies or explanations needed. 

[JAEBALL]

I know you'll wield the ''he doesn't owe you anything, he doesn't have to explain anything'' but I also know that you would like to know (if you already know it, i'm pretty sure you were feeling like me and lots of others before knowing it) how can a person go from ''There's zero possibility of me having anything to do with Slash other than by ambush, and that wouldn't be pretty" / ''not in this lifetime'' / ''Slash either should not have been in Guns to begin with or should have left after Lies. In a nutshell, personally I consider him a cancer and better removed, avoided" to announcing 2 dates in a collosal rock festival including that ''cancer'' dude without any fucking scales.

How is that particularly aimed at these so called "NUGNR fans"?
I'm sure the average rock fan would also be interested in hearing how it all happened. Hell, maybe even Debbie Downer who says nobody cares that they will play together again!

My question stands. What exactly is he now supposed to say to those particular singled out fans?
Many of us are Guns N' Roses fans and we don't really divide ourselves into smaller categories all the time. "I'm a fan of this GN'R, that GN'R, but not that one". No, I'm a fan of GN'R, period.



/jarmo

While I certainly don' t agree with Esteban or any of his views or which version is more talented... he like many of us sees the eras of GNR as drastically different versions... not just one overall entity.

I don't think having that viewpoint deserves a lecture... I never have.

These recent developments really is the best of both worlds... it puts GNR at the fore front again... it will bring so many eye balls to everything they do, and should make it easier for a new GNR release that should feature music that has contributions from all the players over the years that people are so fond of around here.

Plus they didn't swap the CD era players out for Slash and Duff... they quit... a long time ago...

and then their replacements quit!

So the CD era of the band was finished anyway....